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Re: [Amel] Sharki furling rig sailing performance

amelforme
 

Hi Graham, Where do you live and where will you cruise the first few years?
It is important to keep in mind that the youngest Sharki afloat is over 20
years old and some are 30. Any boat of these vintages is going to need
replacement of consumable components. The furling on that boat was built by
Nirvana which does not now exist. You will be the manufacturer of anything
you need for service and repair of the rigging so be careful in your
assessments. This is just one of the reasons Amel decided to build their own
masts and booms with the advent of the Santorin and Super Maramu. Be sure to
have an experienced marine surveyor who really knows these boats go over it
with a fine toothed comb. The structure itself is bullet proof if not broken
but the boats often get, as we Amel people hate to see, "molested" by well
intentioned folks who" improve" the boats without understanding what they
are in the first place. Try and find an experienced Amel owner to mentor
you, preferably one who has had the week long Amel training/" Brainwashing "
from the shipyard or the three/ four day school I give, with my tech people,
to my second hand customers. You will get up to speed on the systems and
special needs and requirements of an Amel as well as what to keep your eyes
open for in the future. Amel's are truly great boats that have brought me an
incredible amount of personal pleasure over the years on the several I have
owned and quite a bit of vicarious pleasure through those I have assisted in
finding the right second (or third, or forth. ) hand Amel to match their
requirements. Good Luck!

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@att.net


Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...>
 

Hi Robin



Thanks. Ofcause we can’t go around and remember every technical problem and solution over the years but I think your memory is correct as I would guess it is in the electrical system. But anyway – better to have trouble stopping it than starting it…!



Regards

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79



Fra: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af Robin Cooter
Sendt: 24. juli 2009 15:09
Til: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: SV: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50





Hi Lars,

I could not sort this myself so had an engineer in to do the work. As I remember it, and it was several years ago, the problem was in the electrical wireing and some of this was replaced in the area around the injector pump. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Regards,

Robin Cooter
Santorin 004, Belouga.

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Lars H. Knudsen <museum@mail.tele.dk <mailto:museum%40mail.tele.dk> > wrote:

From: Lars H. Knudsen <museum@mail.tele.dk <mailto:museum%40mail.tele.dk> >
Subject: SV: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 6:04 PM



Hi Robin

Having the exact same engine I have experienced the same problem with the
electrical Stop-bottom.

Can you tell me what that problem turned out to be caused by?

Was it the bottom itself or the Diesel-stop- valve on the motor?

I’m still having trouble finding the cause…

Cheers,

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79

Fra: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] På vegne af Robin Cooter
Sendt: 23. juli 2009 17:00
Til: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Emne: Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

Hi Graham,

We have a 1989 Santorin with a Prima 50. It is now approaching 5000 hrs
and starts first time, even after a winter lay up, uses 0.25 ltr oil every
100 hrs, runs at about the right temperature. We have had problems with
oil and fuel leaks ALL of which were the result of engine parts working
loose, eg. the mechanical lift pump nuts worked loose and oil seeped out
from the rocker box. All these were fairly easily fixed by me. Some
problems with injectors as they got old and some wireing problems- i.e.
electric stop failed and it needed to be stopped manually (lever on injector
pump) but I guess that is par for the course after 8 years of our use. I
did worry about the age of the engine and talked to Perkins. They asked if
it started ok, did it smoke a lot, did it burn oil and did it use cooling
water or overheat. When I said no to all the questions they said that at
around 7000 hrs I might need to have major work done on it!
In fairness it is well looked after with regular checks and maintenance and
has never gone more than 200 hrs without an oil change, now down to 100/150
hours or every season if less. (Highly recomended by every engineer I've
ever talked to). It is also easy to work on with all major parts being
accesible. Spares are reasonably priced if purchased in England and just
about everything is still available. Another plus point is that the same
engine was badged as a Volvo (An MD? - I can't remember the exact number) so
that if you are stuck for parts in some remote place with no Perkins agent
you may be able to get Volvo parts, they are more expensive though.
Bottom line - it's not a bad engine.

Regards,

Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004.

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@ yahoo.com
<mailto:grahamjohns ton42%40yahoo. com> > wrote:

From: GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@ yahoo.com
<mailto:grahamjohns ton42%40yahoo. com> >
Subject: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 10:07 AM

We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of two both
of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these engines.THe bad
being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would be
appreciated?

Regards
Graham

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Moorings/marina berths and engine start/stop problems

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

I sold my 18 mtr berth in Club de Mar, Palma, Mallorca last year which had about eleven years to run on it's lease for 185,000 euros because it had very high serce charges and the local repair/servicing people were very expensive as the marina has many super yachts who have no apparent objections to paying over the top. We left the boat in Sant Carles in a new marina developed by Marina Developments Ltd, a British company. It is a big marina with state of the art features including a huge concrete hard standing, swimming pool etc.They are offering discounts to attract boats to over winter and berths are much cheaper than those in Mallorca. It is on the coast of Spain about 100 miles WNW of Palma. The downside was that the office staff were not kowledgeable about boat needs and this created language problems. It is also some way from an airport being roughly half way between Barcelona (and its thieves) and Valencia. Contact for info:- n.salter(at)mdlmarinas.co.uk

We have had intermittent problems with our Yanmar engine being unstart/stopable. The problem lies in the connections to the solenoid which Amel fits on the negative or grounding side of the engine. I suspect that this is a general problem with whatever engine or Amel yacht. No wiring diagram was supplied for this grounding thus making it hard to find where the fault lies. I noted hat the Yanmar wiring diagram does not provide for this engine grounding system and finding that I could start or stop the engine whilst I shorted out the contacts on the soleniod I have put both wires to and from the battery negative side on the same terminal of the soleniod. This means that the engine is permanently grounded and that it always starts or stops when needed.
If anyone can give me a clue as why Amel use this system to unground the engine when stopped I should be very interested.

Happy grounding, Anne and John, SM319


Re: [Amel] Sharki furling rig sailing performance

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Joel,
Thank you for taking the time to reply in such detail.
It sounds as though I have some expense to come with regard to vertically battened sails although they were already on my wish list for some time in the future.

I have to say I may find it difficult to keep the amount of 'stuff' aboard to a sensible limit but I will try to keep it out of ends of the boat...........

Best regards
Graham

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Potter" <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Over the course of nearly 30 years, I have enjoyed the good fortune to have
sold a few new Sharki's and resold quite a few of the nearly 200 built on
the brokerage market here in North America and a few in Europe when the
dollar happened to be at a strong point. All in all I have a lot of day
sailing experience in variable conditions as well as several decent longer
passages. The Sharki is a sweet sailing boat that rewards good technique as
well as keeping the weight out of the ends. Even in very light air, the boat
moves well if you don't try to pinch up to weather too much. Having modern
sails to include a vertical battened main and mizzen and a light weight
multi-purpose headsail really helps across the spectrum where one must work
at boat speed and not waste any wind energy. Having to much ground tackle in
the bow area and too much junk, er, stuff in the big lockers under the
vberth makes the boat noticeably slower and more difficult to keep in the
proper groove. If you don't mind working at sail trim, have good sails to
work with, and stay mindful of just how much stuff can be squirreled away
inside and in the deck lockers and the attendant weight, you will be
rewarded with quick passage times and will be able to keep up with many so
called performance cruisers while you stay warm and dry beneath/behind the
hard dodger and enjoy a rather gentle, linear and predictable motion in all
but the worst of sea's. The Sharki has a soft spot in my heart and I have
nothing but good memories of the many days I have enjoyed aboard. Good luck
and if buying, pay extra for the nicest one you can find and a boat that has
been well owned by knowledgeable caring sailors. Sail it for a year before
you start cutting and changing and you will find you won't. The Captain and
Carteau got it pretty correct back in 1979.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@...



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Re: [Amel] Sharki furling rig sailing performance

amelforme
 

Over the course of nearly 30 years, I have enjoyed the good fortune to have
sold a few new Sharki's and resold quite a few of the nearly 200 built on
the brokerage market here in North America and a few in Europe when the
dollar happened to be at a strong point. All in all I have a lot of day
sailing experience in variable conditions as well as several decent longer
passages. The Sharki is a sweet sailing boat that rewards good technique as
well as keeping the weight out of the ends. Even in very light air, the boat
moves well if you don't try to pinch up to weather too much. Having modern
sails to include a vertical battened main and mizzen and a light weight
multi-purpose headsail really helps across the spectrum where one must work
at boat speed and not waste any wind energy. Having to much ground tackle in
the bow area and too much junk, er, stuff in the big lockers under the
vberth makes the boat noticeably slower and more difficult to keep in the
proper groove. If you don't mind working at sail trim, have good sails to
work with, and stay mindful of just how much stuff can be squirreled away
inside and in the deck lockers and the attendant weight, you will be
rewarded with quick passage times and will be able to keep up with many so
called performance cruisers while you stay warm and dry beneath/behind the
hard dodger and enjoy a rather gentle, linear and predictable motion in all
but the worst of sea's. The Sharki has a soft spot in my heart and I have
nothing but good memories of the many days I have enjoyed aboard. Good luck
and if buying, pay extra for the nicest one you can find and a boat that has
been well owned by knowledgeable caring sailors. Sail it for a year before
you start cutting and changing and you will find you won't. The Captain and
Carteau got it pretty correct back in 1979.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@att.net


Re: [Amel] anyone know what Amel installed as reefing winch on older Maramu?

woodsdeborah_56 <woodsdeborah_56@...>
 

We still have the original winch which we no longer use as we have slab reefing... I don't know if you would be interested as we are currently in Portugal on our way to Ireland via the Azores. But should you want to know more just give us a shout

Deb and John
Orion1
Maramu #42

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:

David,
Thanks for the concise reply. If you or anyone else on the list has removed their original Lewmar 16 (ST or not) I'd be interested in purchasing it. 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, David Wallace <svairops@...> wrote:

From: David Wallace <svairops@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel] anyone know what Amel installed as reefing winch on older Maramu?
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 12:46 PM


Dave,
The winch was a 16ST and was just for reefing, mounted bottom aft on the main mast on an aluminum bracket.  We removed it and the bracket when we installed our furling main.  The winch mounts with 5 studs in a pentagon pattern, the mounting bolts are 1/4".  The Lewmar catalog says "5x M6 (1/4 in) c'sk head screws on 94mm (3 11/16") PCD".  Hope this helps.
Dave
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@...
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:09:18 -0700
Subject: RE: [Amel] anyone know what Amel installed as reefing winch on older Maramu?




















   
                  David,Ours has a conventional main so it's a small winch just for reefing. But maybe it's the same. Never know. Thanks! I'll check the secondhand store to see if they have one I can compare mounting holes with.



--- On Thu, 7/16/09, David Wallace <svairops@...> wrote:



From: David Wallace <svairops@...>

Subject: RE: [Amel] anyone know what Amel installed as reefing winch on older Maramu?

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:02 AM



Dave,

Air Ops had a Lewmar 16 on the main mast for furling. 

   

   

   

   



   



   

   

Dave Wallacesv Air OpsMaramu #104

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Sharki furling rig sailing performance

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Can anybody help me out and tell me what the sailing performance of a Sharki with an all furling rig is like particularly in light air and what would be an average speed to use for passage planning?

I have read some comments that the Sharki is a slow boat particularly in light air but the SA/D is high enough to indicate reasonable performance, I am somewhat confused.

We are not looking for a performance boat, we want a comfortable passage maker that can make good daily runs but also get along when the wind is light without having to resort to the motor too often.

Any comment would be most appreciated.

Graham


Re: [Amel] Amel Santorin Locker catches

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

Hi Ivan,
 
I was in AMEL at La Rochelle a couple of years ago and they sold me a few.  Not that expensive but if you have them send them to you, they use a courier service, it can get quite expensive.
 
Regards,
 
Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004 - Belouga

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, icampbell90 <i-campbell@utvinternet.co.uk> wrote:


From: icampbell90 <i-campbell@utvinternet.co.uk>
Subject: [Amel] Amel Santorin Locker catches
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 5:32 PM


 



Hi All

I have a Santorin 1994. Can anyone tell me where I might buy catches for the lockers and hinges as well.

Thanks

Ivan Campbell

Ocean Hobo


Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

Hi Lars,
 
I could not sort this myself so had an engineer in to do the work.   As I remember it, and it was several years ago, the problem was in the electrical wireing and some of this was replaced in the area around the injector pump.   Sorry I can't be more helpful.
 
Regards,
 
Robin Cooter
Santorin 004, Belouga.

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Lars H. Knudsen <museum@mail.tele.dk> wrote:


From: Lars H. Knudsen <museum@mail.tele.dk>
Subject: SV: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 6:04 PM


 



Hi Robin

Having the exact same engine I have experienced the same problem with the
electrical Stop-bottom.

Can you tell me what that problem turned out to be caused by?

Was it the bottom itself or the Diesel-stop- valve on the motor?

I’m still having trouble finding the cause…

Cheers,

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79

Fra: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] På vegne af Robin Cooter
Sendt: 23. juli 2009 17:00
Til: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Emne: Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

Hi Graham,

We have a 1989 Santorin with a Prima 50. It is now approaching 5000 hrs
and starts first time, even after a winter lay up, uses 0.25 ltr oil every
100 hrs, runs at about the right temperature. We have had problems with
oil and fuel leaks ALL of which were the result of engine parts working
loose, eg. the mechanical lift pump nuts worked loose and oil seeped out
from the rocker box. All these were fairly easily fixed by me. Some
problems with injectors as they got old and some wireing problems- i.e.
electric stop failed and it needed to be stopped manually (lever on injector
pump) but I guess that is par for the course after 8 years of our use. I
did worry about the age of the engine and talked to Perkins. They asked if
it started ok, did it smoke a lot, did it burn oil and did it use cooling
water or overheat. When I said no to all the questions they said that at
around 7000 hrs I might need to have major work done on it!
In fairness it is well looked after with regular checks and maintenance and
has never gone more than 200 hrs without an oil change, now down to 100/150
hours or every season if less. (Highly recomended by every engineer I've
ever talked to). It is also easy to work on with all major parts being
accesible. Spares are reasonably priced if purchased in England and just
about everything is still available. Another plus point is that the same
engine was badged as a Volvo (An MD? - I can't remember the exact number) so
that if you are stuck for parts in some remote place with no Perkins agent
you may be able to get Volvo parts, they are more expensive though.
Bottom line - it's not a bad engine.

Regards,

Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004.

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@ yahoo.com
<mailto:grahamjohns ton42%40yahoo. com> > wrote:

From: GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@ yahoo.com
<mailto:grahamjohns ton42%40yahoo. com> >
Subject: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 10:07 AM

We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of two both
of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these engines.THe bad
being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would be
appreciated?

Regards
Graham

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Re: [Amel] A new member

Attilio Siviero <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Hi Lars,
where are you in Tunisia? And how much do you pay for berth?
I also have a Santorin, recent purchase, now in Genoa Porto Antico.
Can we share experiences on Santorin?
For instance, what is there below the settee on left living/dining cabin?
Thanks
Attilio Santorin Sisila #84




________________________________
Da: Lars H. Knudsen <museum@mail.tele.dk>
A: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Inviato: Giovedì 23 luglio 2009, 15:18:59
Oggetto: SV: [Amel] A new member

 
Hi Ivan

Can you tell me what you pay for your berth or mooring in Mallorca?

I am considering moving my Santorin from Tunisia to Spain later this year
and are currently investigating the costs involved.

Best regards,

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79

Fra: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] På vegne af
i-campbell@utvinter net.co.uk
Sendt: 23. juli 2009 11:11
Til: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Emne: Re: [Amel] A new member

Hi Xaviar

We are on a Satorin in Mallorca but we come from the north
of Ireland. I still think the best cruising ground in the
world is the west coast of Ireland.

Enjoy your cruising

Ivan Campbell

Ocean Hobo

Hi guys,

I just join the group and thought that I had to introduce
myself.

My name is Xavier a french fellow sailor currently sailing
and living aboard a 1993 Santorin sloop that my late father
bought brand new. The boat has already sailed around the
world and done a few transat either with my parents on
board or with some close friends of them.

After three years on shore, I finaly decided that it was
time for the boat and I to get wet again.

I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of mine and
after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back home in
Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans atlantic that
I will do alone.

I have been sailing on this boat more than 5000 miles
already (must of them as a deck hand) and I am looking
forward more adventures. So far the plan is to sail from
Normandy across biscane bay then to Madeira, Cape Verde,
Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and then who knows.

I am lookimg forward all the advices I can get on this
forum concerning preparing, upgrading and maintening the
boat.

Sail smooth

Xavier

PS : sorry for my rought english

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Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Hi Robin,
Thank you for your comprehensive reply.
It is good to know that your engine is still fine a 5000 hours I have owned the 4108  which was a great motor but have no experience with the Prima and have just read a few comments that are negative.
 
Thanks again having people comment who have experience with the motor is really useful.
 
Regards
Graham

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Robin Cooter <robincooter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


From: Robin Cooter <robincooter@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 4:00 PM


 



Hi Graham,
 
We have a 1989 Santorin with a Prima 50.   It is now approaching 5000 hrs and starts first time, even after a winter lay up, uses 0.25 ltr oil every 100 hrs, runs at about the right temperature.   We have had problems with oil and fuel leaks ALL of which were the result of engine parts working loose, eg. the mechanical lift pump nuts worked loose and oil seeped out from the rocker box.   All these were fairly easily fixed by me.   Some problems with injectors as they got old and some wireing problems- i.e. electric stop failed and it needed to be stopped manually (lever on injector pump) but I guess that is par for the course after 8 years of our use.   I did worry about the age of the engine and talked to Perkins.   They asked if it started ok, did it smoke a lot, did it burn oil and did it use cooling water or overheat.   When I said no to all the questions they said that at around 7000 hrs I might need to have major work done on it!  
In fairness it is well looked after with regular checks and maintenance and has never gone more than 200 hrs without an oil change, now down to 100/150 hours or every season if less.  (Highly recomended by every engineer I've ever talked to).   It is also easy to work on with all major parts being accesible.  Spares are reasonably priced if purchased in England and just about everything is still available.   Another plus point is that the same engine was badged as a Volvo (An MD? - I can't remember the exact number) so that if you are stuck for parts in some remote place with no Perkins agent you may be able to get Volvo parts, they are more expensive though.
Bottom line - it's not a bad engine.
 
Regards,
 
Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004.  

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 10:07 AM

 

We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of two both of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these engines.THe bad being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would be appreciated?

Regards
Graham

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Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Ric,
Thanks for the reply. I will be having an oil analysis done ect. but having no experience of this particular motor.
Ragrds
Graham

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Ric <ric@kitchenmagic.net> wrote:


From: Ric <ric@kitchenmagic.net>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 1:21 PM


 



Good sense would suggest engine survey, then get list of work to be
done including "timing". My sn24 built in 1990 runs strong and most
everyone can repair & Maintain.
On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:07 AM, "GrahamJohnston42" <grahamjohnston42@ yahoo.com
wrote:
We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of
two both of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these
engines.THe bad being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would
be appreciated?

Regards
Graham

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Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...>
 

Hi Robin



Having the exact same engine I have experienced the same problem with the
electrical Stop-bottom.

Can you tell me what that problem turned out to be caused by?



Was it the bottom itself or the Diesel-stop-valve on the motor?



I’m still having trouble finding the cause…



Cheers,

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79



Fra: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
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Sendt: 23. juli 2009 17:00
Til: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50





Hi Graham,

We have a 1989 Santorin with a Prima 50. It is now approaching 5000 hrs
and starts first time, even after a winter lay up, uses 0.25 ltr oil every
100 hrs, runs at about the right temperature. We have had problems with
oil and fuel leaks ALL of which were the result of engine parts working
loose, eg. the mechanical lift pump nuts worked loose and oil seeped out
from the rocker box. All these were fairly easily fixed by me. Some
problems with injectors as they got old and some wireing problems- i.e.
electric stop failed and it needed to be stopped manually (lever on injector
pump) but I guess that is par for the course after 8 years of our use. I
did worry about the age of the engine and talked to Perkins. They asked if
it started ok, did it smoke a lot, did it burn oil and did it use cooling
water or overheat. When I said no to all the questions they said that at
around 7000 hrs I might need to have major work done on it!
In fairness it is well looked after with regular checks and maintenance and
has never gone more than 200 hrs without an oil change, now down to 100/150
hours or every season if less. (Highly recomended by every engineer I've
ever talked to). It is also easy to work on with all major parts being
accesible. Spares are reasonably priced if purchased in England and just
about everything is still available. Another plus point is that the same
engine was badged as a Volvo (An MD? - I can't remember the exact number) so
that if you are stuck for parts in some remote place with no Perkins agent
you may be able to get Volvo parts, they are more expensive though.
Bottom line - it's not a bad engine.

Regards,

Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004.

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com
<mailto:grahamjohnston42%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com
<mailto:grahamjohnston42%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 10:07 AM



We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of two both
of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these engines.THe bad
being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would be
appreciated?

Regards
Graham

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Amel Santorin Locker catches

icampbell90 <i-campbell@...>
 

Hi All

I have a Santorin 1994. Can anyone tell me where I might buy catches for the lockers and hinges as well.

Thanks

Ivan Campbell

Ocean Hobo


Re: [Amel] A new member

i-campbell@utvinternet.co.uk <i-campbell@...>
 

I bought my mooring last year for 105000 euros but I think
the price to rent is about 14000 euros in Alcudia which is
an excellent marina with lots of amenitiesRegardsIvan
Ocean Hobo>Hi Ivan>> >>Can you tell me what you pay for your
berth or mooring in>Mallorca?>>I am considering moving my
Santorin from Tunisia to Spain>later this year and are
currently investigating the costs>involved.>> >>Best
regards,>>Lars>>Santorin Salvagny #79>> >>Fra:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
På vegne af>i-campbell@utvinternet.co.uk>Sendt: 23. juli
2009 11:11>Til: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>Emne: Re:
[Amel] A new member>> >>  >>Hi Xaviar>>We are on a Satorin
in Mallorca but we come from the north>of Ireland. I still
think the best cruising ground in the>world is the west
coast of Ireland.>>Enjoy your cruising>>Ivan Campbell>>Ocean
Hobo>>>Hi guys,>>>>I just join the group and thought that I
had to introduce>>myself.>>>>My name is Xavier a french
fellow sailor currently sailing>>and living aboard a 1993
Santorin sloop that my late>>father bought brand new. The
boat has already sailed>>around the world and done a few
transat either with my>>parents on board or with some close
friends of them.>>>>After three years on shore, I finaly
decided that it was>>time for the boat and I to get wet
again. >>>>I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of
mine and>>after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back
home in>>Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans
atlantic that>>I will do alone.>>>>I have been sailing on
this boat more than 5000 miles>>already (must of them as a
deck hand) and I am looking>>forward more adventures. So far
the plan is to sail from>>Normandy across biscane bay then
to Madeira, Cape Verde,>>Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and
then who knows.>>>>I am lookimg forward all the advices I
can get on this>>forum concerning preparing, upgrading and
maintening the>>boat.>>>>Sail smooth>>>>Xavier>>>>PS : sorry
for my rought english>>>>>>>>>>[Non-text portions of this
message have been removed]>>


Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

Hi Graham,
 
We have a 1989 Santorin with a Prima 50.   It is now approaching 5000 hrs and starts first time, even after a winter lay up, uses 0.25 ltr oil every 100 hrs, runs at about the right temperature.   We have had problems with oil and fuel leaks ALL of which were the result of engine parts working loose, eg. the mechanical lift pump nuts worked loose and oil seeped out from the rocker box.   All these were fairly easily fixed by me.   Some problems with injectors as they got old and some wireing problems- i.e. electric stop failed and it needed to be stopped manually (lever on injector pump) but I guess that is par for the course after 8 years of our use.   I did worry about the age of the engine and talked to Perkins.   They asked if it started ok, did it smoke a lot, did it burn oil and did it use cooling water or overheat.   When I said no to all the questions they said that at around 7000 hrs I might need to have major work done on it!  
In fairness it is well looked after with regular checks and maintenance and has never gone more than 200 hrs without an oil change, now down to 100/150 hours or every season if less.  (Highly recomended by every engineer I've ever talked to).   It is also easy to work on with all major parts being accesible.  Spares are reasonably priced if purchased in England and just about everything is still available.   Another plus point is that the same engine was badged as a Volvo (An MD? - I can't remember the exact number) so that if you are stuck for parts in some remote place with no Perkins agent you may be able to get Volvo parts, they are more expensive though.
Bottom line - it's not a bad engine.
 
Regards,
 
Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004.

--- On Thu, 23/7/09, GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 10:07 AM


 



We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of two both of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these engines.THe bad being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would be appreciated?

Regards
Graham



















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Re: [Amel] A new member

Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...>
 

Hi 'Jl'

Thanks a lot for you quote.

If others have experiences with the cost of having a Santorin/Maramu in Spain then please share your information.

I can tell you that cost in Tunisia is 1.800 Euro/Year at present including power and water at El Kantaoui which is probably one of the more expensive marinas. The marina is extremely secure and have quite decent facilities for yachts (toilets, batch, clubroom etc), lots of restaurants, supermarkets and the third largest city in Tunisia nearby, Sousse.

Best regards,
Lars


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Sendt: 23. juli 2009 15:28
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Emne: Re: SV: [Amel] A new member

In PREMIA de MAR (Barcelona) it's 4000€/year for 14m*4,75
jlm
CottonBay
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Lars H. Knudsen a écrit :

Hi Ivan

Can you tell me what you pay for your berth or mooring in Mallorca?

I am considering moving my Santorin from Tunisia to Spain later this year
and are currently investigating the costs involved.

Best regards,

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79

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<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
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Sendt: 23. juli 2009 11:11
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Emne: Re: [Amel] A new member

Hi Xaviar

We are on a Satorin in Mallorca but we come from the north
of Ireland. I still think the best cruising ground in the
world is the west coast of Ireland.

Enjoy your cruising

Ivan Campbell

Ocean Hobo

Hi guys,

I just join the group and thought that I had to introduce
myself.

My name is Xavier a french fellow sailor currently sailing
and living aboard a 1993 Santorin sloop that my late father
bought brand new. The boat has already sailed around the
world and done a few transat either with my parents on
board or with some close friends of them.

After three years on shore, I finaly decided that it was
time for the boat and I to get wet again.

I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of mine and
after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back home in
Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans atlantic that
I will do alone.

I have been sailing on this boat more than 5000 miles
already (must of them as a deck hand) and I am looking
forward more adventures. So far the plan is to sail from
Normandy across biscane bay then to Madeira, Cape Verde,
Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and then who knows.

I am lookimg forward all the advices I can get on this
forum concerning preparing, upgrading and maintening the
boat.

Sail smooth

Xavier

PS : sorry for my rought english





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Re: [Amel] A new member

jlmertz@free.fr <jlmertz@...>
 

In PREMIA de MAR (Barcelona) it's 4000/year for 14m*4,75
jlm
CottonBay
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lars H. Knudsen a crit :


Hi Ivan

Can you tell me what you pay for your berth or mooring in Mallorca?

I am considering moving my Santorin from Tunisia to Spain later this year
and are currently investigating the costs involved.

Best regards,

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79

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i-campbell@utvinternet.co.uk <mailto:i-campbell%40utvinternet.co.uk>
Sendt: 23. juli 2009 11:11
Til: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Emne: Re: [Amel] A new member

Hi Xaviar

We are on a Satorin in Mallorca but we come from the north
of Ireland. I still think the best cruising ground in the
world is the west coast of Ireland.

Enjoy your cruising

Ivan Campbell

Ocean Hobo

Hi guys,

I just join the group and thought that I had to introduce
myself.

My name is Xavier a french fellow sailor currently sailing
and living aboard a 1993 Santorin sloop that my late father
bought brand new. The boat has already sailed around the
world and done a few transat either with my parents on
board or with some close friends of them.

After three years on shore, I finaly decided that it was
time for the boat and I to get wet again.

I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of mine and
after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back home in
Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans atlantic that
I will do alone.

I have been sailing on this boat more than 5000 miles
already (must of them as a deck hand) and I am looking
forward more adventures. So far the plan is to sail from
Normandy across biscane bay then to Madeira, Cape Verde,
Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and then who knows.

I am lookimg forward all the advices I can get on this
forum concerning preparing, upgrading and maintening the
boat.

Sail smooth

Xavier

PS : sorry for my rought english



Re: [Amel] A new member

Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...>
 

Hi Ivan



Can you tell me what you pay for your berth or mooring in Mallorca?

I am considering moving my Santorin from Tunisia to Spain later this year
and are currently investigating the costs involved.



Best regards,

Lars

Santorin Salvagny #79



Fra: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af
i-campbell@utvinternet.co.uk
Sendt: 23. juli 2009 11:11
Til: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: [Amel] A new member





Hi Xaviar

We are on a Satorin in Mallorca but we come from the north
of Ireland. I still think the best cruising ground in the
world is the west coast of Ireland.

Enjoy your cruising

Ivan Campbell

Ocean Hobo

Hi guys,

I just join the group and thought that I had to introduce
myself.

My name is Xavier a french fellow sailor currently sailing
and living aboard a 1993 Santorin sloop that my late father
bought brand new. The boat has already sailed around the
world and done a few transat either with my parents on
board or with some close friends of them.

After three years on shore, I finaly decided that it was
time for the boat and I to get wet again.

I am actually in west Ireland with a friend of mine and
after visiting the Aran Island, we are coming back home in
Normandy to prepare the boat for a new trans atlantic that
I will do alone.

I have been sailing on this boat more than 5000 miles
already (must of them as a deck hand) and I am looking
forward more adventures. So far the plan is to sail from
Normandy across biscane bay then to Madeira, Cape Verde,
Senegal, Brasil, Venezuela ... and then who knows.

I am lookimg forward all the advices I can get on this
forum concerning preparing, upgrading and maintening the
boat.

Sail smooth

Xavier

PS : sorry for my rought english





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Re: [Amel] Perkins Prima 50

Ric <ric@...>
 

Good sense would suggest engine survey, then get list of work to be
done including "timing". My sn24 built in 1990 runs strong and most
everyone can repair & Maintain.

On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:07 AM, "GrahamJohnston42" <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com
> wrote:

We are hoping to buy a Sharki in the next week, we have a choice of
two both of which have the Perkins Prima 50 fitted.
I have read both good and bad comments with regard to these
engines.THe bad being the high price of parts and poor quality wiring.

Has anyone got any experience with the Prima 50, any comments would
be appreciated?

Regards
Graham