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Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all, while the twin rudders on the 50 may look more vulnerable I doubt if any rudder could resist an orca attack. It is notable that despite the impact on the rudders reportedly the hull suffered no damage where the rudder stocks pass through.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 June 2021 at 20:40 Steven Nieman <stefnieman@...> wrote:

Hi,
The attacks by the Orca’s around Portugal and around the bend into the Med is not a one time incident. The authorities think it’s a game by young macho Orca’s. There are around 10 incidents reported. Some say to stop the boat and just sit it out, others say to play music and 1 guy said it stopped when he started to sing to them😀😀
S.Nieman
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 30 jun. 2021 om 08:31 heeft Dimitris Krasopoulos <dkrasopoulos@...> het volgende geschreven:

It is a pity that the new Amel is mentioned as a Med boat. The delivery from La Rochelle in the Atlantic Ocean to the Med is an ocean passage or a Mediterranee adventure? The whale attack close to Gilbrartar is a coincidence? 

It seems to me that the focus to a reliable boat is distorted for marketing reasons. Bad sea conditions are everywhere even in the Med. 

Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos 

On Jun 30, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi, I would put hull form at the top. The modern flying wedges are fast and the voluminous stern cockpit fashionable and popular,but I suspect ( I am a sailor not a Naval architect) not as sea kindly, nor I suspect nearly as controllable running in big winds and seas. The SM bow holds up well, doesn't dig in causing slewing. The SM tracks incredibly well off the wind in big seas.. Likewise the ketch rig. Reducing sail is a dream as is increasing it.

.Not criticizing the 50 in any way. It was just built to a different design brief to a particular target market. As we have come to expect from Amel, they have done it well.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 June 2021 at 10:29 Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:

I’d love to know - beyond who they market to - what changes make these new boats less seaworthy world cruisers? 

The only three specific features that are regularly brought up are:
- twin rudders without the protected prop
- the loss of the ketch rig. 
- the more modern hull form that bashes more up wind (though is nicer downwind)

Build quality is as good or arguably better..

Ease of systems maintenance is as good or arguably better. 

I’m genuinely curious to learn here 



 

On Jun 29, 2021, at 17:39, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Absolutely agree with all of that.
Judith and I visited Amel in La Rochelle in 2019 and went for a sail on the 50.
Judith fell in love with it's creature comforts and layout and now says we'll buy one when we win the lottery!
I have all the above misgivings about it as an ocean crosser, but then maybe those days are over and as a coastal short passage cruiser the 50 would be ideal.
Certainly Antoine Riotin said the same things to me  - the target market for Amel has changed; it is no longer the circumnavigator as it was in Henri Amels day.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


 


 


 


 


Re: Again a question about yacht insurance

James Watkins
 

Try Edward.williams.com.   I got insurance for my Maramu for the total Caribbean including hurricane coverage.   They are a Spanish company and work with global insurers.

 

Best Regards

Jim Watkins

Maramu Act II

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arno Luijten
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:37 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Again a question about yacht insurance

 

Dear Forum,

Is anyone aware of a insurance company that offers yacht insurance for a reasonable premium that includes named windstorm coverage outside the hurricane area (Curacao)?

Our current broker (Used to be Y-yacht but taken over by Topsail) seems to unable to meet this request.

Thanks in advance,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

 


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Paul Harries
 

Amel should consider giving Bill free long term loan use of an A50 as a demonstrator boat. Not only does Bill deserve recognition for his services to Amel but I can think of no better way for Amel to propogate the A50 knowledge database.


On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 12:12 PM, CW Bill Rouse wrote:
This is certainly a healthy discussion. I believe there are additional new and beneficial benefits of the Amel 50 twin rudder system. This may be a little confusing so I will try to describe:
 
Assuming the A-50 owner selected dual autopilots
  1. Either rudder can operate independently with each rudder's independent autopilot 
    1. Or each rudder's independent emergency tiller. 
  2. Both rudders can operate together with either autopilot
    1. Or together with the  independent emergency tiller connected to either quadrant
  3. The helm cables are connected to the port rudder quadrant, which can operate independently of the starboard rudder. 
  4. There is a removable stainless steel bar that connects the two quadrants. So in some emergencies, the Port rudder can be steered by the helm, its independent autopilot, or its independent tiller.
Regarding rudder failures on ocean crossings, it is too common with an "unmentioned brand" but virtually unheard of with Amel. What is more common is the loss of the autopilot, and according to Jimmy Cornell (founder of the ARC), autopilot failure happens with 5-10% of ocean crossings. I always recommend either a complete autopilot redundancy or a complete set of spares when crossing an ocean. I also recommend that the autopilot drive be installed on the quadrant rather than only at the helm.
 
I believe that the A-50 with dual autopilots includes all of my usual client recommendations for safety while crossing oceans. Additionally, Amel has added to the A50  the following:
  1. Watertight steering compartment with a separate bilge pump and alarm
  2. Dual Rudder Reference, but also each one on its rudder quadrants
  3. Dual Autopilot hydraulic pump & drive, but also each one on its rudder quadrants
  4. A new seal for the rudder post, replacing the older packing (I am not sure what this is and would love to know more...maybe an A50 owner will comment on this photo:
I absolutely love and respect the circa 70-80s design of the Amel rudder which I believe will be found on most of these models: Kirk, Sharki, Maramu, Santorin, Super Maramu, A54, A55, and A64. 
 
I also believe that the A50 rudder system has added to Amel's longtime tradition of reliability of its rudder.
 
Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
 
View My Training Calendar

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 10:06 AM Aldo Roldan via groups.io <aroldan1796=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is all great news for the wallet of present owners of Amel ketches:  if Amel has, by statement of its officers,  indirectly endorsed the ketches as THE blue water, ocean-crossing vessel, which they no longer manufacture, stand to reason that they will become increasingly sought after by the crowd that wants just that: world cruising.  With more sailors falling into the current demographics of the world cruiser, as the world ages, Amel ketches will become a priceless gem!
 
AldoR
SV Araucaria 
Amel55 hull 36
 
ps.  No, I am not entertaining offers to sell mine.  I will hold onto it for as long as I can!

On Jun 30, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

It appears as though the rudders sprang open like a clam shell,as if there was tension , when released they assumed their natural position. What would be the reason for not adding layers of fiberglass in addition to the glue, to bond the rudder halves together, making them more robust. Are the rudders on the SM not  fiber glassed together ? 
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Newport <billy@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2021 6:07 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

Is the rudder on the 55 the same as the 50? 2 shells glued together?

Thanks
Billy (55#56)

 

 


 
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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

John Clanton
 

Consider the cost of a redundant autopilot while at the dock verses how much you would be willing to pay for a second autopilot when half way across the Pacific.



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Again a question about yacht insurance

Arno Luijten
 

Dear Forum,

Is anyone aware of a insurance company that offers yacht insurance for a reasonable premium that includes named windstorm coverage outside the hurricane area (Curacao)?

Our current broker (Used to be Y-yacht but taken over by Topsail) seems to unable to meet this request.

Thanks in advance,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

 

This is certainly a healthy discussion. I believe there are additional new and beneficial benefits of the Amel 50 twin rudder system. This may be a little confusing so I will try to describe:

Assuming the A-50 owner selected dual autopilots
  1. Either rudder can operate independently with each rudder's independent autopilot 
    1. Or each rudder's independent emergency tiller. 
  2. Both rudders can operate together with either autopilot
    1. Or together with the  independent emergency tiller connected to either quadrant
  3. The helm cables are connected to the port rudder quadrant, which can operate independently of the starboard rudder. 
  4. There is a removable stainless steel bar that connects the two quadrants. So in some emergencies, the Port rudder can be steered by the helm, its independent autopilot, or its independent tiller.
Regarding rudder failures on ocean crossings, it is too common with an "unmentioned brand" but virtually unheard of with Amel. What is more common is the loss of the autopilot, and according to Jimmy Cornell (founder of the ARC), autopilot failure happens with 5-10% of ocean crossings. I always recommend either a complete autopilot redundancy or a complete set of spares when crossing an ocean. I also recommend that the autopilot drive be installed on the quadrant rather than only at the helm.

I believe that the A-50 with dual autopilots includes all of my usual client recommendations for safety while crossing oceans. Additionally, Amel has added to the A50  the following:
  1. Watertight steering compartment with a separate bilge pump and alarm
  2. Dual Rudder Reference, but also each one on its rudder quadrants
  3. Dual Autopilot hydraulic pump & drive, but also each one on its rudder quadrants
  4. A new seal for the rudder post, replacing the older packing (I am not sure what this is and would love to know more...maybe an A50 owner will comment on this photo:
image.png
I absolutely love and respect the circa 70-80s design of the Amel rudder which I believe will be found on most of these models: Kirk, Sharki, Maramu, Santorin, Super Maramu, A54, A55, and A64. 

I also believe that the A50 rudder system has added to Amel's longtime tradition of reliability of its rudder.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 10:06 AM Aldo Roldan via groups.io <aroldan1796=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is all great news for the wallet of present owners of Amel ketches:  if Amel has, by statement of its officers,  indirectly endorsed the ketches as THE blue water, ocean-crossing vessel, which they no longer manufacture, stand to reason that they will become increasingly sought after by the crowd that wants just that: world cruising.  With more sailors falling into the current demographics of the world cruiser, as the world ages, Amel ketches will become a priceless gem!

AldoR
SV Araucaria 
Amel55 hull 36

ps.  No, I am not entertaining offers to sell mine.  I will hold onto it for as long as I can!

On Jun 30, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


It appears as though the rudders sprang open like a clam shell,as if there was tension , when released they assumed their natural position. What would be the reason for not adding layers of fiberglass in addition to the glue, to bond the rudder halves together, making them more robust. Are the rudders on the SM not  fiber glassed together ? 
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Newport <billy@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2021 6:07 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

Is the rudder on the 55 the same as the 50? 2 shells glued together?

Thanks
Billy (55#56)


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Aldo Roldan
 

This is all great news for the wallet of present owners of Amel ketches:  if Amel has, by statement of its officers,  indirectly endorsed the ketches as THE blue water, ocean-crossing vessel, which they no longer manufacture, stand to reason that they will become increasingly sought after by the crowd that wants just that: world cruising.  With more sailors falling into the current demographics of the world cruiser, as the world ages, Amel ketches will become a priceless gem!

AldoR
SV Araucaria 
Amel55 hull 36

ps.  No, I am not entertaining offers to sell mine.  I will hold onto it for as long as I can!

On Jun 30, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:


It appears as though the rudders sprang open like a clam shell,as if there was tension , when released they assumed their natural position. What would be the reason for not adding layers of fiberglass in addition to the glue, to bond the rudder halves together, making them more robust. Are the rudders on the SM not  fiber glassed together ? 
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Newport <billy@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2021 6:07 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

Is the rudder on the 55 the same as the 50? 2 shells glued together?

Thanks
Billy (55#56)


Re: Question for 50 & 55 owners about the bow thruster

 

Theo,

Thanks for that information. I believe that you may have a more powerful BT than the 55...I will wait until a 55 owner responds.

But, your answer brings up a question. What size fuse do you have?
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:22 AM Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

On my boat (Paloma, Amel 50 hull #18) I have the Side-Power SE 210/250 TC. But, I have heard that other bow thruster models may have been installed on other 50s.

I have posted pictures and information of my boat's built process here: Cruisersforum Amel 50 Build Thread

Theo
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18.


Re: Question for 50 & 55 owners about the bow thruster

Theo s/v Paloma
 
Edited

On my boat (Paloma, Amel 50 hull #18) I have the Side-Power SE 210/250 TC. But, I have heard that other bow thruster models may have been installed on other 50s.

I have posted pictures and information of my boat's built process here: Cruisersforum Amel 50 Build Thread

Theo
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18.


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Patrick McAneny
 

It appears as though the rudders sprang open like a clam shell,as if there was tension , when released they assumed their natural position. What would be the reason for not adding layers of fiberglass in addition to the glue, to bond the rudder halves together, making them more robust. Are the rudders on the SM not  fiber glassed together ? 
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Newport <billy@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2021 6:07 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

Is the rudder on the 55 the same as the 50? 2 shells glued together?

Thanks
Billy (55#56)


Re: Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

Nick Newington
 

Hi Scott, 
I got it on eBay 



On 29 Jun 2021, at 23:30, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Nick,

Can you provide more info about the heat shield? My turbo heat shield is destroyed, too.

I presume that since the D3's Garrett turbo is used on cars, you can find a non-marine one for less than the 500 euros that Volvo Penta wants for theirs!

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Billy Newport
 

Is the rudder on the 55 the same as the 50? 2 shells glued together?

Thanks
Billy (55#56)


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila <ann-sofie@...>
 

the attacs are from La Coruna, Spain (Bay of Bisquay) to Gibraltar so it is probably 2 or 3 groups of Orcas. 2 days ago ther was attacks just outside Faro and Portimao on the Portuguese Algarve coast as well.

You can find more information, and how to act here: www.orcaiberica.org


Regards
Annsofie Svanberg
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998
Present in La Linea de Conception, Bay of Gibraltar, Spain.

Den 2021-06-30 kl. 10:40, skrev Steven Nieman:
Hi,
The attacks by the Orca’s around Portugal and around the bend into the Med is not a one time incident. The authorities think it’s a game by young macho Orca’s. There are around 10 incidents reported. Some say to stop the boat and just sit it out, others say to play music and 1 guy said it stopped when he started to sing to them😀😀
S.Nieman
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 30 jun. 2021 om 08:31 heeft Dimitris Krasopoulos <dkrasopoulos@...> het volgende geschreven:

 It is a pity that the new Amel is mentioned as a Med boat. The delivery from La Rochelle in the Atlantic Ocean to the Med is an ocean passage or a Mediterranee adventure? The whale attack close to Gilbrartar is a coincidence? 

It seems to me that the focus to a reliable boat is distorted for marketing reasons. Bad sea conditions are everywhere even in the Med. 

Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos 

On Jun 30, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi, I would put hull form at the top. The modern flying wedges are fast and the voluminous stern cockpit fashionable and popular,but I suspect ( I am a sailor not a Naval architect) not as sea kindly, nor I suspect nearly as controllable running in big winds and seas. The SM bow holds up well, doesn't dig in causing slewing. The SM tracks incredibly well off the wind in big seas.. Likewise the ketch rig. Reducing sail is a dream as is increasing it.

.Not criticizing the 50 in any way. It was just built to a different design brief to a particular target market. As we have come to expect from Amel, they have done it well.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 June 2021 at 10:29 Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:

I’d love to know - beyond who they market to - what changes make these new boats less seaworthy world cruisers? 

The only three specific features that are regularly brought up are:
- twin rudders without the protected prop
- the loss of the ketch rig. 
- the more modern hull form that bashes more up wind (though is nicer downwind)

Build quality is as good or arguably better..

Ease of systems maintenance is as good or arguably better. 

I’m genuinely curious to learn here 



 

On Jun 29, 2021, at 17:39, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Absolutely agree with all of that.
Judith and I visited Amel in La Rochelle in 2019 and went for a sail on the 50.
Judith fell in love with it's creature comforts and layout and now says we'll buy one when we win the lottery!
I have all the above misgivings about it as an ocean crosser, but then maybe those days are over and as a coastal short passage cruiser the 50 would be ideal.
Certainly Antoine Riotin said the same things to me  - the target market for Amel has changed; it is no longer the circumnavigator as it was in Henri Amels day.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


 


 

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Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Steven Nieman
 

Hi,
The attacks by the Orca’s around Portugal and around the bend into the Med is not a one time incident. The authorities think it’s a game by young macho Orca’s. There are around 10 incidents reported. Some say to stop the boat and just sit it out, others say to play music and 1 guy said it stopped when he started to sing to them😀😀
S.Nieman
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 30 jun. 2021 om 08:31 heeft Dimitris Krasopoulos <dkrasopoulos@...> het volgende geschreven:

It is a pity that the new Amel is mentioned as a Med boat. The delivery from La Rochelle in the Atlantic Ocean to the Med is an ocean passage or a Mediterranee adventure? The whale attack close to Gilbrartar is a coincidence? 

It seems to me that the focus to a reliable boat is distorted for marketing reasons. Bad sea conditions are everywhere even in the Med. 

Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos 

On Jun 30, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi, I would put hull form at the top. The modern flying wedges are fast and the voluminous stern cockpit fashionable and popular,but I suspect ( I am a sailor not a Naval architect) not as sea kindly, nor I suspect nearly as controllable running in big winds and seas. The SM bow holds up well, doesn't dig in causing slewing. The SM tracks incredibly well off the wind in big seas.. Likewise the ketch rig. Reducing sail is a dream as is increasing it.

.Not criticizing the 50 in any way. It was just built to a different design brief to a particular target market. As we have come to expect from Amel, they have done it well.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 June 2021 at 10:29 Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:

I’d love to know - beyond who they market to - what changes make these new boats less seaworthy world cruisers? 

The only three specific features that are regularly brought up are:
- twin rudders without the protected prop
- the loss of the ketch rig. 
- the more modern hull form that bashes more up wind (though is nicer downwind)

Build quality is as good or arguably better..

Ease of systems maintenance is as good or arguably better. 

I’m genuinely curious to learn here 



 

On Jun 29, 2021, at 17:39, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Absolutely agree with all of that.
Judith and I visited Amel in La Rochelle in 2019 and went for a sail on the 50.
Judith fell in love with it's creature comforts and layout and now says we'll buy one when we win the lottery!
I have all the above misgivings about it as an ocean crosser, but then maybe those days are over and as a coastal short passage cruiser the 50 would be ideal.
Certainly Antoine Riotin said the same things to me  - the target market for Amel has changed; it is no longer the circumnavigator as it was in Henri Amels day.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


 


 


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Dimitris Krasopoulos
 

It is a pity that the new Amel is mentioned as a Med boat. The delivery from La Rochelle in the Atlantic Ocean to the Med is an ocean passage or a Mediterranee adventure? The whale attack close to Gilbrartar is a coincidence? 

It seems to me that the focus to a reliable boat is distorted for marketing reasons. Bad sea conditions are everywhere even in the Med. 

Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos 

On Jun 30, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi, I would put hull form at the top. The modern flying wedges are fast and the voluminous stern cockpit fashionable and popular,but I suspect ( I am a sailor not a Naval architect) not as sea kindly, nor I suspect nearly as controllable running in big winds and seas. The SM bow holds up well, doesn't dig in causing slewing. The SM tracks incredibly well off the wind in big seas.. Likewise the ketch rig. Reducing sail is a dream as is increasing it.

.Not criticizing the 50 in any way. It was just built to a different design brief to a particular target market. As we have come to expect from Amel, they have done it well.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 June 2021 at 10:29 Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:

I’d love to know - beyond who they market to - what changes make these new boats less seaworthy world cruisers? 

The only three specific features that are regularly brought up are:
- twin rudders without the protected prop
- the loss of the ketch rig. 
- the more modern hull form that bashes more up wind (though is nicer downwind)

Build quality is as good or arguably better..

Ease of systems maintenance is as good or arguably better. 

I’m genuinely curious to learn here 



 

On Jun 29, 2021, at 17:39, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Absolutely agree with all of that.
Judith and I visited Amel in La Rochelle in 2019 and went for a sail on the 50.
Judith fell in love with it's creature comforts and layout and now says we'll buy one when we win the lottery!
I have all the above misgivings about it as an ocean crosser, but then maybe those days are over and as a coastal short passage cruiser the 50 would be ideal.
Certainly Antoine Riotin said the same things to me  - the target market for Amel has changed; it is no longer the circumnavigator as it was in Henri Amels day.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


 


 


Re: Steering Wheel Dimensions for new leather cover - AMEL Sharki?

Johannes Schmidt
 

Thank you Aras, I´ll go for that!

Best wishes,

Johannes


On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 02:15 PM, Aras Grinius wrote:
Aras


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, I would put hull form at the top. The modern flying wedges are fast and the voluminous stern cockpit fashionable and popular,but I suspect ( I am a sailor not a Naval architect) not as sea kindly, nor I suspect nearly as controllable running in big winds and seas. The SM bow holds up well, doesn't dig in causing slewing. The SM tracks incredibly well off the wind in big seas.. Likewise the ketch rig. Reducing sail is a dream as is increasing it.

.Not criticizing the 50 in any way. It was just built to a different design brief to a particular target market. As we have come to expect from Amel, they have done it well.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 June 2021 at 10:29 Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:

I’d love to know - beyond who they market to - what changes make these new boats less seaworthy world cruisers? 

The only three specific features that are regularly brought up are:
- twin rudders without the protected prop
- the loss of the ketch rig. 
- the more modern hull form that bashes more up wind (though is nicer downwind)

Build quality is as good or arguably better..

Ease of systems maintenance is as good or arguably better. 

I’m genuinely curious to learn here 



 

On Jun 29, 2021, at 17:39, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Absolutely agree with all of that.
Judith and I visited Amel in La Rochelle in 2019 and went for a sail on the 50.
Judith fell in love with it's creature comforts and layout and now says we'll buy one when we win the lottery!
I have all the above misgivings about it as an ocean crosser, but then maybe those days are over and as a coastal short passage cruiser the 50 would be ideal.
Certainly Antoine Riotin said the same things to me  - the target market for Amel has changed; it is no longer the circumnavigator as it was in Henri Amels day.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


 


 


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Justin Maguire
 

Personally I find it amazing that a pair of killer whales attacked the rudders, destroyed them, and

a) the boat didn’t sink 
b) the boat was able to still make its way to port 
c) the hull and rudder post sleeve wasn’t damaged
d) Amel flew in new rudders and had them back in the water in short order

if those animals had attacked any Amel the rudders would have been destroyed.. 

Rudder vs. killer whale = destroyed rudder!

YMMV


On Jun 29, 2021, at 19:36, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...> wrote:

Surely one serious safety concern is enough to get a serious prospective  buyer really concerned.
Rudder failure rates of 1% are mentioned in ARC rallues, dont know if this is correct or not.
The 50 looks superb, however a mid ocean rudder failure for my wife and I would really spoil our day.
Amel clearly know their primary sales market, for sailing in the Med an A50 would in my book be perfect. Mid pacific or in Indian ocean.....

https://oceansailormagazine.com/whats-wrong-with-spade-rudders/
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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Paul Harries
 

Surely one serious safety concern is enough to get a serious prospective  buyer really concerned.
Rudder failure rates of 1% are mentioned in ARC rallues, dont know if this is correct or not.
The 50 looks superb, however a mid ocean rudder failure for my wife and I would really spoil our day.
Amel clearly know their primary sales market, for sailing in the Med an A50 would in my book be perfect. Mid pacific or in Indian ocean.....

https://oceansailormagazine.com/whats-wrong-with-spade-rudders/
--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Justin Maguire
 

I’d love to know - beyond who they market to - what changes make these new boats less seaworthy world cruisers? 

The only three specific features that are regularly brought up are:
- twin rudders without the protected prop
- the loss of the ketch rig. 
- the more modern hull form that bashes more up wind (though is nicer downwind)

Build quality is as good or arguably better..

Ease of systems maintenance is as good or arguably better. 

I’m genuinely curious to learn here 




On Jun 29, 2021, at 17:39, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Absolutely agree with all of that.
Judith and I visited Amel in La Rochelle in 2019 and went for a sail on the 50.
Judith fell in love with it's creature comforts and layout and now says we'll buy one when we win the lottery!
I have all the above misgivings about it as an ocean crosser, but then maybe those days are over and as a coastal short passage cruiser the 50 would be ideal.
Certainly Antoine Riotin said the same things to me  - the target market for Amel has changed; it is no longer the circumnavigator as it was in Henri Amels day.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 

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