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Winterizing watermaker

hollambyuk <annejohnholl@...>
 

I Googled Dessalator and found dessalator.fr.
Their website gives the answer which is to get one litre of glycerine from a pharmacy and add it to eight litres of water in a bucket. Put the inlet hose to the filters into the bucket and and run the low pressure pump until the bucket is empty.
You might wish to visit the websites of some North American Watermaker companies to check that Dessalator realise just how cold it is in Boston and places north!

Regards, John SM319


Re: [Amel] Re: Preparing for a winter aboard.

Anthony Dawkins <nearlynothing@...>
 

I had a bad experience in January in Boston. It can get very cold. Amel hulls and decks provide no insulation. The on-board electric heaters are nearly useless for New England winter cold. You need very reliable supplementary heaters connected to reliable shore power. I emphasize reliable shore power because at the same marina I lost power and within 12 hours had significant freezing damage (there was no one on board), during a cold snap.
Oil-filled electric heaters--rather than fan type heaters--can be excellent, giving an even heat and providing some residual warmth for a time if a power outage is not too long. If you haven't "shut down" the boat, the diesel heater can be a very effective back-up, in a pinch.
I do not think a light bulb will suffice in the engine room.
Finally, if the boat is properly heated--and you are sure of the reliability--you may not need to further winterize, but for this you ought to check with someone who has specific experience.
Good luck.

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, seastate9 <peacock@...> wrote:


From: seastate9 <peacock@...>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Preparing for a winter aboard.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 4:51 PM


 



Unfortunately we have a lot of experience winterizing our SM, in Maryland, a little warmer than Boston.

Assuming your boat is in the water, the water tank should be protected from freezing by the bubbler in the marina; if the water she sits in is not frozen, the tank should not be either.

The engine compartment might be kept safe by a small light bulb on at all times, but it can get pretty cold in Boston.

Winterizing the engine compartment is fairly straightforward: close the main sea cock, and unscrew the top of the sea chest; someone up top starts the engine, while you frantically pour from many already opened pink antifreeze jugs into the sea chest as quickly as possible (the engine is quite thirsty); when the top person sees pink coming out the exhaust, stop the engine. Repeat for the generator.

Don't forget to also winterize the AC plumbing; turn on the AC, pour into the sea chest again, watch for pink from the exit in the bow; if someone accidentally turns on the AC, you will have to re-winterize; heat only will not circulate the water.

One other thought: most marinas shut off all fresh water in the late fall; your water tank may not last the whole winter, you may need to bring in fresh water by hand.

I hope this is my last winterization.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 "Aletes"

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Jose" <jgvenegas@. ..> wrote:

My wife and I are going live aboard our SM2K at Constitution Marina in Boston Harbor this winter. Aside from the 3 built in electric heaters we plan to have three more connected to the 110V electric outlet of the slip, plus an extra one on the engine room. We also plan to shrink rap the boat with transparent plastic and winterize the engine.

We would greatly appreciate any suggestions of how to best prepare the boat, for example:
1) Any danger that the water tank could freeze even if the boat is kept warm inside?
2) Winterize or not the generator? I thought it could be a safety in case we lose power.

Any ideas or hints of how to make this easier short of sailing south?


















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Re: Preparing for a winter aboard.

seastate9 <peacock@...>
 

Unfortunately we have a lot of experience winterizing our SM, in Maryland, a little warmer than Boston.

Assuming your boat is in the water, the water tank should be protected from freezing by the bubbler in the marina; if the water she sits in is not frozen, the tank should not be either.

The engine compartment might be kept safe by a small light bulb on at all times, but it can get pretty cold in Boston.

Winterizing the engine compartment is fairly straightforward: close the main sea cock, and unscrew the top of the sea chest; someone up top starts the engine, while you frantically pour from many already opened pink antifreeze jugs into the sea chest as quickly as possible (the engine is quite thirsty); when the top person sees pink coming out the exhaust, stop the engine. Repeat for the generator.

Don't forget to also winterize the AC plumbing; turn on the AC, pour into the sea chest again, watch for pink from the exit in the bow; if someone accidentally turns on the AC, you will have to re-winterize; heat only will not circulate the water.

One other thought: most marinas shut off all fresh water in the late fall; your water tank may not last the whole winter, you may need to bring in fresh water by hand.

I hope this is my last winterization.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 "Aletes"

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Jose" <jgvenegas@...> wrote:

My wife and I are going live aboard our SM2K at Constitution Marina in Boston Harbor this winter. Aside from the 3 built in electric heaters we plan to have three more connected to the 110V electric outlet of the slip, plus an extra one on the engine room. We also plan to shrink rap the boat with transparent plastic and winterize the engine.

We would greatly appreciate any suggestions of how to best prepare the boat, for example:
1) Any danger that the water tank could freeze even if the boat is kept warm inside?
2) Winterize or not the generator? I thought it could be a safety in case we lose power.

Any ideas or hints of how to make this easier short of sailing south?


Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

Ric <ric@...>
 

I know deltaville well, sisterinlaw owned house on stingray point.
Call office at 410-923-5800 if I can be of help.

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24

On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

That's a great offer, Ric. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll get up
there again before heading south. I'm only going to be able to work
on her on the weekends between now and mid-Nov. She'll be in
Deltaville 'till then if you get down that way.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Ric <ric@...> wrote:

From: Ric <ric@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/
Extra Fuel
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 10:23 PM



When sailing offshore I always take everything off the deck I even
take off dorades. Some folks dont have the storage of an Amel & have
no choice for fuel. The raft should be on deck, secured, & ready. Try
lifting it in perfect conditions, tough. Follow "the grab bag" book by
howorth to set up your ditch bag. If your around Annapolis before nov
5, i'd be happy to meet you & go over the boat.

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24

On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
wrote:

Aha! See, I don't know what I'd do without you guys. Seems like I
see people carrying thier gerry cans along the rail all the time.
You probably just saved me from myself again. Thanks.

Hmmm, so do you keep your life raft, drogue, and sea anchor in the
aft locker or somewhere else? My aft locker is filling up with
bicycles and extra sails and dinghy, etc.

Does the 55 gal of fuel on one side make her list at all?

Thanks again,
Kent


--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@optonlin e.net> wrote:

From: kimberlite <kimberlite@optonlin e.net>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /
Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 6:50 PM



Kent,

We carry 11 cans in the port cockpit locker.

Lashing cans to the rail is a bad idea. When you get hit by a big
wave you
can kiss the rail goodbye puls anything it is connected to.

Some people keep the cans in the rope locker in the cockpit

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent
Robertson
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov
for my
trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all your
advice
and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel.
Just how
much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans on deck,
I'm only
seeing the spaces between the last three aft staunchions that I
could lash
them without interfering with access to either cleats or jib cars or
downwind poles. That would be only 95 inches, or about ?4 cans on
each side.
That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there,
too...enough
to motor ~140nm. Is that worth all the effort, or do you just carry
a couple
of cans as emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/
docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry
for
offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something that
I could
just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too rough to
really cook
under way. How much would you carry with you? I was thinking enough
to feed
the crew a hot meal a day for half the anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243










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Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

karkauai
 

That's a great offer, Ric.  Unfortunately, I don't think I'll get up there again before heading south.  I'm only going to be able to work on her on the weekends between now and mid-Nov.  She'll be in Deltaville 'till then if you get down that way.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Ric <ric@...> wrote:


From: Ric <ric@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 10:23 PM


 



When sailing offshore I always take everything off the deck I even
take off dorades. Some folks dont have the storage of an Amel & have
no choice for fuel. The raft should be on deck, secured, & ready. Try
lifting it in perfect conditions, tough. Follow "the grab bag" book by
howorth to set up your ditch bag. If your around Annapolis before nov
5, i'd be happy to meet you & go over the boat.

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24

On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

Aha! See, I don't know what I'd do without you guys. Seems like I
see people carrying thier gerry cans along the rail all the time.
You probably just saved me from myself again. Thanks.

Hmmm, so do you keep your life raft, drogue, and sea anchor in the
aft locker or somewhere else? My aft locker is filling up with
bicycles and extra sails and dinghy, etc.

Does the 55 gal of fuel on one side make her list at all?

Thanks again,
Kent


--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@optonlin e.net> wrote:

From: kimberlite <kimberlite@optonlin e.net>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /
Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 6:50 PM



Kent,

We carry 11 cans in the port cockpit locker.

Lashing cans to the rail is a bad idea. When you get hit by a big
wave you
can kiss the rail goodbye puls anything it is connected to.

Some people keep the cans in the rope locker in the cockpit

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov
for my
trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all your
advice
and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel.
Just how
much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans on deck,
I'm only
seeing the spaces between the last three aft staunchions that I
could lash
them without interfering with access to either cleats or jib cars or
downwind poles. That would be only 95 inches, or about ?4 cans on
each side.
That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there,
too...enough
to motor ~140nm. Is that worth all the effort, or do you just carry
a couple
of cans as emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/
docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry for
offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something that
I could
just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too rough to
really cook
under way. How much would you carry with you? I was thinking enough
to feed
the crew a hot meal a day for half the anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243

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Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

karkauai
 

I'll check it out this trip and post my findings.  thanks Eric
Kent
SM 243 Kristy

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:


From: kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 10:11 PM


 



Don't know about your engine , I have the yanmar 1 gallon at about 1800 rpm
almost 7 knots in flat water -red line is 3600 rpm. Correct engine speed
for cruising on my engine is 2800 rpm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:44 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra Fuel

Volvo TMD22

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@ optonlin
<mailto:kimberlite% 40optonline. net> e.net> wrote:

From: kimberlite <kimberlite@ optonlin <mailto:kimberlite% 40optonline. net>
e.net>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:27 PM

What engine do you have?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel

I haven't actually calculated my "mileage", but was going on what my Amel
owners' CD said..."6 l/hr fuel consumption at cruising speed". I think I'm
doing better than that, but figured I might be motoring into a heavy sea and
was being conservative. What should I really expect to average?
Thanks,
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, David Mackintosh <dlm48@...
<mailto:dlm48% 40aol.com>
<mailto:dlm48% 40aol.com> > wrote:

From: David Mackintosh <dlm48@... <mailto:dlm48% 40aol.com>
<mailto:dlm48% 40aol.com> >
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 4:56 PM

you wrote "That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there,
too...enough to motor ~140nm."

I cant believe you can only motor for 140 miles on 40 gallons of diesel.
Even at a gallon an hour that is 40 hours motoring at i would assume 6 knots
assuming calm weather 40x6 is 240 miles.

regards

David

2009/10/6 Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>



Thanks for the input, Ric & Gary. Two extremes on the spectrum of what's
"enough" fuel for the passage. Anyone else care to weigh in?
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Ric <ric@kitchenmagic. net <ric%40kitchenmagic .net>>
wrote:

From: Ric <ric@kitchenmagic. net <ric%40kitchenmagic .net>>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel
To: "amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups.
com>"
<amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:39 AM



I would forget freeze dried. If its rough & no one feels like cooking,
open.a soup can. Some die hard sailors will try to sail even when
going 3 knots. I have a 4-5 knot rule & motorsail at times. 200 to 250
gals gives you enough. Keep a fuel log with engine & genset hours.
Bring lots of oil, antifreeze too

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24

On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:10 PM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov
for my trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all
your advice and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel.
Just how much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans
on deck, I'm only seeing the spaces between the last three aft
staunchions that I could lash them without interfering with access
to either cleats or jib cars or downwind poles. That would be only
95 inches, or about ?4 cans on each side. That's about 40 gallons if
I don't tie some dinghy fuel there, too...enough to motor ~140nm. Is
that worth all the effort, or do you just carry a couple of cans as
emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry
for offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something
that I could just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too
rough to really cook under way. How much would you carry with you?
I was thinking enough to feed the crew a hot meal a day for half the
anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243



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Re: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Sorry,

I missed that.

I guess you will have to keep the engine room and the boat warm.

I would still winterize the engine and genset/c unit .and anchor wash.

Being that you will have the seacock open and some of the antifreeze will
probably exchange itself with sea water, you might have to winterize it a
few times. I believe there is a separate seacock for the engine that could
be closed after winterizing. I do not remember the anchor wash or the genset
seacocks..

Fair Winds

Eric





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Jose
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.





Eric,
I don't think I made clear that I was going to live aboard!
I would need running water and functioning heads to do that.
Thanks

Jose and Magnolia
Ipanema SM278
Marblehead, Massachusetts

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Sail south it is a lot easier..



However it should be easy to winterize the boat being that you have one
sea
chest. I would run the a lot of the pink drinkable antifreeze into the sea
chest with the seacock closed. There are instructions in the Amel book
about
putting up the boat for a few months. It will be the same except you use
antifreeze instead of fresh water. I would also winterize the genset. If
you
need it in an emergency you just have to open the seacock.



Don't forget the a/c system, toilets, and anchor wash and the wet bilge,
and
main engine...



I would empty most of the water tank and pour in gallons of antifreeze.

Also some antifreeze in the sink traps.

I am sure I forgot many things but I think this will be a good start



I don't know about the batteries freezing.



Fair Winds

Eric









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From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.





My wife and I are going live aboard our SM2K at Constitution Marina in
Boston Harbor this winter. Aside from the 3 built in electric heaters we
plan to have three more connected to the 110V electric outlet of the slip,
plus an extra one on the engine room. We also plan to shrink rap the boat
with transparent plastic and winterize the engine.

We would greatly appreciate any suggestions of how to best prepare the
boat,
for example:
1) Any danger that the water tank could freeze even if the boat is kept
warm
inside?
2) Winterize or not the generator? I thought it could be a safety in case
we
lose power.

Any ideas or hints of how to make this easier short of sailing south?







Re: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

The sea chest is the big seacock and thing above it on the starboard aft end
of the engine with the sea strainer in it..

Jose, the water maker is a good question and I forgot about that as I have
never winterized kimberlite. Possibly someone on the site will know how to
winterize it. Or you might write to Amel.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Jose
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.





Thanks you Eric, I wish we could but some of us less fortunate still have to
work for a few more years before heading south for good.
I agree that it is a good idea to winterize the generator.
Can you clarify what is and were is the sea chest?

What about the water desalinator. Any special treatment for it?

Jose and Magnolia

Ipanema SM2K 278

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Sail south it is a lot easier..



However it should be easy to winterize the boat being that you have one
sea
chest. I would run the a lot of the pink drinkable antifreeze into the sea
chest with the seacock closed. There are instructions in the Amel book
about
putting up the boat for a few months. It will be the same except you use
antifreeze instead of fresh water. I would also winterize the genset. If
you
need it in an emergency you just have to open the seacock.



Don't forget the a/c system, toilets, and anchor wash and the wet bilge,
and
main engine...



I would empty most of the water tank and pour in gallons of antifreeze.

Also some antifreeze in the sink traps.

I am sure I forgot many things but I think this will be a good start



I don't know about the batteries freezing.



Fair Winds

Eric









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From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.





My wife and I are going live aboard our SM2K at Constitution Marina in
Boston Harbor this winter. Aside from the 3 built in electric heaters we
plan to have three more connected to the 110V electric outlet of the slip,
plus an extra one on the engine room. We also plan to shrink rap the boat
with transparent plastic and winterize the engine.

We would greatly appreciate any suggestions of how to best prepare the
boat,
for example:
1) Any danger that the water tank could freeze even if the boat is kept
warm
inside?
2) Winterize or not the generator? I thought it could be a safety in case
we
lose power.

Any ideas or hints of how to make this easier short of sailing south?







Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

Ric <ric@...>
 

When sailing offshore I always take everything off the deck I even
take off dorades. Some folks dont have the storage of an Amel & have
no choice for fuel. The raft should be on deck, secured, & ready. Try
lifting it in perfect conditions, tough. Follow "the grab bag" book by
howorth to set up your ditch bag. If your around Annapolis before nov
5, i'd be happy to meet you & go over the boat.

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24

On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Aha! See, I don't know what I'd do without you guys. Seems like I
see people carrying thier gerry cans along the rail all the time.
You probably just saved me from myself again. Thanks.

Hmmm, so do you keep your life raft, drogue, and sea anchor in the
aft locker or somewhere else? My aft locker is filling up with
bicycles and extra sails and dinghy, etc.

Does the 55 gal of fuel on one side make her list at all?

Thanks again,
Kent


--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

From: kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/
Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 6:50 PM



Kent,

We carry 11 cans in the port cockpit locker.

Lashing cans to the rail is a bad idea. When you get hit by a big
wave you
can kiss the rail goodbye puls anything it is connected to.

Some people keep the cans in the rope locker in the cockpit

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov
for my
trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all your
advice
and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel.
Just how
much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans on deck,
I'm only
seeing the spaces between the last three aft staunchions that I
could lash
them without interfering with access to either cleats or jib cars or
downwind poles. That would be only 95 inches, or about ?4 cans on
each side.
That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there,
too...enough
to motor ~140nm. Is that worth all the effort, or do you just carry
a couple
of cans as emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/
docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry for
offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something that
I could
just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too rough to
really cook
under way. How much would you carry with you? I was thinking enough
to feed
the crew a hot meal a day for half the anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243






Re: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.

Jose <jgvenegas@...>
 

Eric,
I don't think I made clear that I was going to live aboard!
I would need running water and functioning heads to do that.
Thanks

Jose and Magnolia
Ipanema SM278
Marblehead, Massachusetts

--- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Sail south it is a lot easier..



However it should be easy to winterize the boat being that you have one sea
chest. I would run the a lot of the pink drinkable antifreeze into the sea
chest with the seacock closed. There are instructions in the Amel book about
putting up the boat for a few months. It will be the same except you use
antifreeze instead of fresh water. I would also winterize the genset. If you
need it in an emergency you just have to open the seacock.



Don't forget the a/c system, toilets, and anchor wash and the wet bilge, and
main engine...



I would empty most of the water tank and pour in gallons of antifreeze.

Also some antifreeze in the sink traps.

I am sure I forgot many things but I think this will be a good start



I don't know about the batteries freezing.



Fair Winds

Eric









_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Jose
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.





My wife and I are going live aboard our SM2K at Constitution Marina in
Boston Harbor this winter. Aside from the 3 built in electric heaters we
plan to have three more connected to the 110V electric outlet of the slip,
plus an extra one on the engine room. We also plan to shrink rap the boat
with transparent plastic and winterize the engine.

We would greatly appreciate any suggestions of how to best prepare the boat,
for example:
1) Any danger that the water tank could freeze even if the boat is kept warm
inside?
2) Winterize or not the generator? I thought it could be a safety in case we
lose power.

Any ideas or hints of how to make this easier short of sailing south?







Re: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.

Jose <jgvenegas@...>
 

Thanks you Eric, I wish we could but some of us less fortunate still have to work for a few more years before heading south for good.
I agree that it is a good idea to winterize the generator.
Can you clarify what is and were is the sea chest?

What about the water desalinator. Any special treatment for it?

Jose and Magnolia

Ipanema SM2K 278

--- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Sail south it is a lot easier..



However it should be easy to winterize the boat being that you have one sea
chest. I would run the a lot of the pink drinkable antifreeze into the sea
chest with the seacock closed. There are instructions in the Amel book about
putting up the boat for a few months. It will be the same except you use
antifreeze instead of fresh water. I would also winterize the genset. If you
need it in an emergency you just have to open the seacock.



Don't forget the a/c system, toilets, and anchor wash and the wet bilge, and
main engine...



I would empty most of the water tank and pour in gallons of antifreeze.

Also some antifreeze in the sink traps.

I am sure I forgot many things but I think this will be a good start



I don't know about the batteries freezing.



Fair Winds

Eric









_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Jose
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.





My wife and I are going live aboard our SM2K at Constitution Marina in
Boston Harbor this winter. Aside from the 3 built in electric heaters we
plan to have three more connected to the 110V electric outlet of the slip,
plus an extra one on the engine room. We also plan to shrink rap the boat
with transparent plastic and winterize the engine.

We would greatly appreciate any suggestions of how to best prepare the boat,
for example:
1) Any danger that the water tank could freeze even if the boat is kept warm
inside?
2) Winterize or not the generator? I thought it could be a safety in case we
lose power.

Any ideas or hints of how to make this easier short of sailing south?







Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Don't know about your engine , I have the yanmar 1 gallon at about 1800 rpm
almost 7 knots in flat water -red line is 3600 rpm. Correct engine speed
for cruising on my engine is 2800 rpm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:44 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel





Volvo TMD22

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@optonlin
<mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> e.net> wrote:

From: kimberlite <kimberlite@optonlin <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net>
e.net>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:27 PM



What engine do you have?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel

I haven't actually calculated my "mileage", but was going on what my Amel
owners' CD said..."6 l/hr fuel consumption at cruising speed". I think I'm
doing better than that, but figured I might be motoring into a heavy sea and
was being conservative. What should I really expect to average?
Thanks,
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, David Mackintosh <dlm48@...
<mailto:dlm48%40aol.com>
<mailto:dlm48% 40aol.com> > wrote:

From: David Mackintosh <dlm48@... <mailto:dlm48%40aol.com>
<mailto:dlm48% 40aol.com> >
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 4:56 PM

you wrote "That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there,
too...enough to motor ~140nm."

I cant believe you can only motor for 140 miles on 40 gallons of diesel.
Even at a gallon an hour that is 40 hours motoring at i would assume 6 knots
assuming calm weather 40x6 is 240 miles.

regards

David

2009/10/6 Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>



Thanks for the input, Ric & Gary. Two extremes on the spectrum of what's
"enough" fuel for the passage. Anyone else care to weigh in?
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Ric <ric@kitchenmagic. net <ric%40kitchenmagic .net>>
wrote:

From: Ric <ric@kitchenmagic. net <ric%40kitchenmagic .net>>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel
To: "amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups.
com>"
<amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:39 AM



I would forget freeze dried. If its rough & no one feels like cooking,
open.a soup can. Some die hard sailors will try to sail even when
going 3 knots. I have a 4-5 knot rule & motorsail at times. 200 to 250
gals gives you enough. Keep a fuel log with engine & genset hours.
Bring lots of oil, antifreeze too

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24

On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:10 PM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov
for my trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all
your advice and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel.
Just how much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans
on deck, I'm only seeing the spaces between the last three aft
staunchions that I could lash them without interfering with access
to either cleats or jib cars or downwind poles. That would be only
95 inches, or about ?4 cans on each side. That's about 40 gallons if
I don't tie some dinghy fuel there, too...enough to motor ~140nm. Is
that worth all the effort, or do you just carry a couple of cans as
emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry
for offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something
that I could just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too
rough to really cook under way. How much would you carry with you?
I was thinking enough to feed the crew a hot meal a day for half the
anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243







Re: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Sail south it is a lot easier..



However it should be easy to winterize the boat being that you have one sea
chest. I would run the a lot of the pink drinkable antifreeze into the sea
chest with the seacock closed. There are instructions in the Amel book about
putting up the boat for a few months. It will be the same except you use
antifreeze instead of fresh water. I would also winterize the genset. If you
need it in an emergency you just have to open the seacock.



Don't forget the a/c system, toilets, and anchor wash and the wet bilge, and
main engine...



I would empty most of the water tank and pour in gallons of antifreeze.

Also some antifreeze in the sink traps.

I am sure I forgot many things but I think this will be a good start



I don't know about the batteries freezing.



Fair Winds

Eric









_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Jose
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Preparing for a winter aboard.





My wife and I are going live aboard our SM2K at Constitution Marina in
Boston Harbor this winter. Aside from the 3 built in electric heaters we
plan to have three more connected to the 110V electric outlet of the slip,
plus an extra one on the engine room. We also plan to shrink rap the boat
with transparent plastic and winterize the engine.

We would greatly appreciate any suggestions of how to best prepare the boat,
for example:
1) Any danger that the water tank could freeze even if the boat is kept warm
inside?
2) Winterize or not the generator? I thought it could be a safety in case we
lose power.

Any ideas or hints of how to make this easier short of sailing south?


Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

karkauai
 

Yes, Eric.  It has the liferaft and the Sea Anchor, and ditch bag and extraduty life vests.  That pretty much fills that locker up.
Kent
Kristy SM 243

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:


From: kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:30 PM


 



Do you have a liferaft locker outboard of the cockpit on the port side?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra Fuel

Aha! See, I don't know what I'd do without you guys. Seems like I see
people carrying thier gerry cans along the rail all the time. You probably
just saved me from myself again. Thanks.

Hmmm, so do you keep your life raft, drogue, and sea anchor in the aft
locker or somewhere else? My aft locker is filling up with bicycles and
extra sails and dinghy, etc.

Does the 55 gal of fuel on one side make her list at all?

Thanks again,
Kent


--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@ optonlin
<mailto:kimberlite% 40optonline. net> e.net> wrote:

From: kimberlite <kimberlite@ optonlin <mailto:kimberlite% 40optonline. net>
e.net>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 6:50 PM

Kent,

We carry 11 cans in the port cockpit locker.

Lashing cans to the rail is a bad idea. When you get hit by a big wave you
can kiss the rail goodbye puls anything it is connected to.

Some people keep the cans in the rope locker in the cockpit

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra Fuel

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov for my
trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all your advice
and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel. Just how
much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans on deck, I'm only
seeing the spaces between the last three aft staunchions that I could lash
them without interfering with access to either cleats or jib cars or
downwind poles. That would be only 95 inches, or about ?4 cans on each side.
That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there, too...enough
to motor ~140nm. Is that worth all the effort, or do you just carry a couple
of cans as emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry for
offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something that I could
just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too rough to really cook
under way. How much would you carry with you? I was thinking enough to feed
the crew a hot meal a day for half the anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

karkauai
 

Volvo TMD22

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:


From: kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:27 PM


 



What engine do you have?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra Fuel

I haven't actually calculated my "mileage", but was going on what my Amel
owners' CD said..."6 l/hr fuel consumption at cruising speed". I think I'm
doing better than that, but figured I might be motoring into a heavy sea and
was being conservative. What should I really expect to average?
Thanks,
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, David Mackintosh <dlm48@...
<mailto:dlm48% 40aol.com> > wrote:

From: David Mackintosh <dlm48@... <mailto:dlm48% 40aol.com> >
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 4:56 PM

you wrote "That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there,
too...enough to motor ~140nm."

I cant believe you can only motor for 140 miles on 40 gallons of diesel.
Even at a gallon an hour that is 40 hours motoring at i would assume 6 knots
assuming calm weather 40x6 is 240 miles.

regards

David

2009/10/6 Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>



Thanks for the input, Ric & Gary. Two extremes on the spectrum of what's
"enough" fuel for the passage. Anyone else care to weigh in?
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Ric <ric@kitchenmagic. net <ric%40kitchenmagic .net>>
wrote:

From: Ric <ric@kitchenmagic. net <ric%40kitchenmagic .net>>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel
To: "amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups.
com>"
<amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:39 AM



I would forget freeze dried. If its rough & no one feels like cooking,
open.a soup can. Some die hard sailors will try to sail even when
going 3 knots. I have a 4-5 knot rule & motorsail at times. 200 to 250
gals gives you enough. Keep a fuel log with engine & genset hours.
Bring lots of oil, antifreeze too

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24

On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:10 PM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov
for my trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all
your advice and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel.
Just how much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans
on deck, I'm only seeing the spaces between the last three aft
staunchions that I could lash them without interfering with access
to either cleats or jib cars or downwind poles. That would be only
95 inches, or about ?4 cans on each side. That's about 40 gallons if
I don't tie some dinghy fuel there, too...enough to motor ~140nm. Is
that worth all the effort, or do you just carry a couple of cans as
emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry
for offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something
that I could just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too
rough to really cook under way. How much would you carry with you?
I was thinking enough to feed the crew a hot meal a day for half the
anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Preparing for a winter aboard.

Jose <jgvenegas@...>
 

My wife and I are going live aboard our SM2K at Constitution Marina in Boston Harbor this winter. Aside from the 3 built in electric heaters we plan to have three more connected to the 110V electric outlet of the slip, plus an extra one on the engine room. We also plan to shrink rap the boat with transparent plastic and winterize the engine.

We would greatly appreciate any suggestions of how to best prepare the boat, for example:
1) Any danger that the water tank could freeze even if the boat is kept warm inside?
2) Winterize or not the generator? I thought it could be a safety in case we lose power.

Any ideas or hints of how to make this easier short of sailing south?


Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Do you have a liferaft locker outboard of the cockpit on the port side?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel





Aha! See, I don't know what I'd do without you guys. Seems like I see
people carrying thier gerry cans along the rail all the time. You probably
just saved me from myself again. Thanks.

Hmmm, so do you keep your life raft, drogue, and sea anchor in the aft
locker or somewhere else? My aft locker is filling up with bicycles and
extra sails and dinghy, etc.

Does the 55 gal of fuel on one side make her list at all?

Thanks again,
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@optonlin
<mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> e.net> wrote:

From: kimberlite <kimberlite@optonlin <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net>
e.net>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 6:50 PM



Kent,

We carry 11 cans in the port cockpit locker.

Lashing cans to the rail is a bad idea. When you get hit by a big wave you
can kiss the rail goodbye puls anything it is connected to.

Some people keep the cans in the rope locker in the cockpit

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra Fuel

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov for my
trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all your advice
and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel. Just how
much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans on deck, I'm only
seeing the spaces between the last three aft staunchions that I could lash
them without interfering with access to either cleats or jib cars or
downwind poles. That would be only 95 inches, or about ?4 cans on each side.
That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there, too...enough
to motor ~140nm. Is that worth all the effort, or do you just carry a couple
of cans as emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry for
offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something that I could
just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too rough to really cook
under way. How much would you carry with you? I was thinking enough to feed
the crew a hot meal a day for half the anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243


Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

What engine do you have?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel





I haven't actually calculated my "mileage", but was going on what my Amel
owners' CD said..."6 l/hr fuel consumption at cruising speed". I think I'm
doing better than that, but figured I might be motoring into a heavy sea and
was being conservative. What should I really expect to average?
Thanks,
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, David Mackintosh <dlm48@...
<mailto:dlm48%40aol.com> > wrote:

From: David Mackintosh <dlm48@... <mailto:dlm48%40aol.com> >
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 4:56 PM



you wrote "That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there,
too...enough to motor ~140nm."

I cant believe you can only motor for 140 miles on 40 gallons of diesel.
Even at a gallon an hour that is 40 hours motoring at i would assume 6 knots
assuming calm weather 40x6 is 240 miles.

regards

David

2009/10/6 Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>



Thanks for the input, Ric & Gary. Two extremes on the spectrum of what's
"enough" fuel for the passage. Anyone else care to weigh in?
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Ric <ric@kitchenmagic. net <ric%40kitchenmagic .net>>
wrote:

From: Ric <ric@kitchenmagic. net <ric%40kitchenmagic .net>>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel
To: "amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups.
com>"
<amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:39 AM



I would forget freeze dried. If its rough & no one feels like cooking,
open.a soup can. Some die hard sailors will try to sail even when
going 3 knots. I have a 4-5 knot rule & motorsail at times. 200 to 250
gals gives you enough. Keep a fuel log with engine & genset hours.
Bring lots of oil, antifreeze too

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24

On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:10 PM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov
for my trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all
your advice and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel.
Just how much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans
on deck, I'm only seeing the spaces between the last three aft
staunchions that I could lash them without interfering with access
to either cleats or jib cars or downwind poles. That would be only
95 inches, or about ?4 cans on each side. That's about 40 gallons if
I don't tie some dinghy fuel there, too...enough to motor ~140nm. Is
that worth all the effort, or do you just carry a couple of cans as
emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry
for offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something
that I could just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too
rough to really cook under way. How much would you carry with you?
I was thinking enough to feed the crew a hot meal a day for half the
anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243







Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

karkauai
 

Aha!  See, I don't know what I'd do without you guys.  Seems like I see people carrying thier gerry cans along the rail all the time.  You probably just saved me from myself again.  Thanks.
 
Hmmm, so do you keep your life raft, drogue, and sea anchor in the aft locker or somewhere else?   My aft locker is filling up with bicycles and extra sails and dinghy, etc.

Does the 55 gal of fuel on one side make her list at all?
 
Thanks again,
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:


From: kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 6:50 PM


 



Kent,

We carry 11 cans in the port cockpit locker.

Lashing cans to the rail is a bad idea. When you get hit by a big wave you
can kiss the rail goodbye puls anything it is connected to.

Some people keep the cans in the rope locker in the cockpit

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra Fuel

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov for my
trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all your advice
and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel. Just how
much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans on deck, I'm only
seeing the spaces between the last three aft staunchions that I could lash
them without interfering with access to either cleats or jib cars or
downwind poles. That would be only 95 inches, or about ?4 cans on each side.
That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there, too...enough
to motor ~140nm. Is that worth all the effort, or do you just carry a couple
of cans as emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry for
offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something that I could
just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too rough to really cook
under way. How much would you carry with you? I was thinking enough to feed
the crew a hot meal a day for half the anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243

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Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel

karkauai
 

I haven't actually calculated my "mileage", but was going on what my Amel owners' CD said..."6 l/hr fuel consumption at cruising speed".  I think I'm doing better than that, but figured I might be motoring into a heavy sea and was being conservative.  What should I really expect to average?
Thanks,
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, David Mackintosh <dlm48@...> wrote:


From: David Mackintosh <dlm48@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning/Extra Fuel
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 4:56 PM


 



you wrote "That's about 40 gallons if I don't tie some dinghy fuel there,
too...enough to motor ~140nm."

I cant believe you can only motor for 140 miles on 40 gallons of diesel.
Even at a gallon an hour that is 40 hours motoring at i would assume 6 knots
assuming calm weather 40x6 is 240 miles.

regards

David

2009/10/6 Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>



Thanks for the input, Ric & Gary. Two extremes on the spectrum of what's
"enough" fuel for the passage. Anyone else care to weigh in?
Kent

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Ric <ric@kitchenmagic. net <ric%40kitchenmagic .net>>
wrote:

From: Ric <ric@kitchenmagic. net <ric%40kitchenmagic .net>>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Heading South for the Winter/Provisioning /Extra
Fuel
To: "amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>"
<amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:39 AM



I would forget freeze dried. If its rough & no one feels like cooking,
open.a soup can. Some die hard sailors will try to sail even when
going 3 knots. I have a 4-5 knot rule & motorsail at times. 200 to 250
gals gives you enough. Keep a fuel log with engine & genset hours.
Bring lots of oil, antifreeze too

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24

On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:10 PM, "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

Hi again, folks,
It's actually looking like I'll have everything ready to go by Nov
for my trip out to Bermuda and S to the Caribbean. Thank you for all
your advice and help.
I've got a couple of other questions:
1. A couple of you have said I should take "plenty" of extra fuel.
Just how much is "plenty"? In looking at places to lash Gerry cans
on deck, I'm only seeing the spaces between the last three aft
staunchions that I could lash them without interfering with access
to either cleats or jib cars or downwind poles. That would be only
95 inches, or about ?4 cans on each side. That's about 40 gallons if
I don't tie some dinghy fuel there, too...enough to motor ~140nm. Is
that worth all the effort, or do you just carry a couple of cans as
emergency fuel and save them for coming into harbors/docks or
maneuvering in a storm situation?
2. Does anyone have a favorite freeze dried brand that they carry
for offshore passages? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have something
that I could just heat up some water and have a hot meal if it's too
rough to really cook under way. How much would you carry with you?
I was thinking enough to feed the crew a hot meal a day for half the
anticipated time of passage.

Thanks for you thoughts.
Kent
Kristy SM2000#243

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