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Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000
lior 555 <lior246@...>
Hi Lorenzo
My Amel Maramu is it Turkey (not SM). I asked there for an offer for battaries and they sent me a qoute for Delphi. Here is the link: http://dufour31.pagesperso-orange.fr/astuces/charge%20batteries%20delphi%202.pdf Das any one know those batteries? Is it the same like the other ones? Regards Lior Maramu #155 SABABA 2011/6/28 Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@...> ** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000
GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
Hi Lorenzo,
If it is of any help to you the Delphi batteries were manufactured under license in the EU by Varta and marketed by Numax and Vetus under their own brands. They are no longer made by Varta. Here in the UK Numax stock a similar battey: XV31MF Terminal 1 DT which I think has both taper and screw terminals but you would need to check if they are suitable as the terminal layout on out Delphi batteries on our Sharki are Type 2. I think I will be able to re-drill the copper connecting bar to fit and use these batteries when our existing ones fail. http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/brochures/battery_specification.pdf http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/assets/numax_marine2.pdf If they are suitable perhaps there is an Italian distributor. Good luck, Graham Sharki 181 Zephyr From: Richard03801 <richard03801@...> To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2011, 0:41 Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000 Having had to search for large group 31 batteries in Europe I know how hard it is to find them. The best is to visit a store like perhaps a Giant or large automotive truck supply house. These are big batteries with a weight of 30 kg each. DO NOT GET SMALLER BATTERIES. best may be to have a store order a full set so they are fresh and the same age. Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 "brokerage beyond your expectations" On Jun 27, 2011, at 13:58, "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote: Hi to all![Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Outhaul gearbox and battery replacement
John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
The outhaul gearboxes are industrial qulity and designed to run continuously. In use for outhauling they only run for perhaps five minutes a day.The only part likely to wear is the bronze drive gear wheel and this is available from Amel for 200 euros plus carriage. When mine were stripped down after ten years use the wheel on the in-mast furling was perfect but the outhaul one was pretty badly worn apparently because it had been fitted the wrong way round originally thus putting the wear off centre.
Varta batteries are made in Germany and of high quality, many other brands come from the Far East and may not be so good. I believe that Winner is made in Taiwan. Fittings are readily available to convert battery posts to bolt on type. Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319 |
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Re: Battery Replacement SM2000
Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
Yesterday I bought 13 of the Varta 105 amp/hr (A25) batteries. I was told that Varta (very good brand in EU) purchased the French Delphi plant about 2006 and another company bought the Delphi brand name...not sure if this is correct, but it is what I was told.
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The Varta 105 amp/hr (A25) has exactly the same case and dimensions as the Delphi Freedom battery installed by Amel on our 2003 Super Maramu. Everything fits perfectly including the copper connection straps. Best, Bill BeBe, SM2k #387 Currently Athens, Greece --- In amelyachtowners@..., "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Having had to search for large group 31 batteries in Europe I know how hard it is to find them. The best is to visit a store like perhaps a Giant or large automotive truck supply house. These are big batteries with a weight of 30 kg each. DO NOT GET SMALLER BATTERIES. best may be to have a store order a full set so they are fresh and the same age.
Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 "brokerage beyond your expectations" On Jun 27, 2011, at 13:58, "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote: Hi to all! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Mark,
Please put in touch with the distributor who could handle the gearbox order. Thanks Eric _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:57 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number I finally reached someone in the US who is responsive and appears to be able to source the gearbox. I haven't actually ordered yet as we are overseas and need to figure out timing etc. --Mark __________________________ Mark, The gearbox is available. Pricing is $521 ea. FCA Charleston, SC and delivery time is about 8 weeks. The product would be available from the factory in France in 4 weeks if you wanted to air freight the item. It normally costs about $3.50 per kg. If you want to proceed with an order, I can put you in touch with one of our distributors. Best regards, Justin T. McMahon | Sales & Marketing Manager Leroy Somer Power & Drives - NA 8100 W. Florissant Ave. | St. Louis MO 63136 | USA T 314.553.2380 | F 314.553.3403 --- In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/834685605/pic/315 936164/view?picmode= <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/834685605/pic/31 5936164/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc> &mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , kimberlite <kimberlite@> wrote: gearboxes. <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill[mailto:amelyachtowners@... aboard <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>SV BeBe gotSubject: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>the response from:TechServices.PTSolutions"at"emerson.com be<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , kimberlite <kimberlite@> thatordered from Leroy Somer at the US phone 731-967-3000. I got this Letit was available. <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>meknow if this works out for you. <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , kimberlite <kimberlite@> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of MarkSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 6:27 AM lip<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>theirSubject: Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number mysealwas shot on mine and started on a two day project to disassemble the thatpuller tool, we finally succeeded with a 20mm thick steal bracket shaft ofwasfinallyfabricated for the purpose. The nice thing about the approach thatsucceeded for us was that all the force was placed on the outer I'llthegearbox, none on the boom or the other components of the gearbox. here:posta picture when I have a chance. Can justanyonepartsrecommend a reliable and inexpensive source to order the gearbox orproblemsfrom? Any pricing info? lessexposed to the elements? |
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Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Try looking for a group 31 truck battery,
Here in the USA it is a common exact replacement Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite, _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of ferruccilorenzo Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:58 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000 Hi to all! Reading older posts non answer to my question; does anyone of You can suggest me wich battery I have to buy to sostitute the 12 Delphi marine 105 AH? I like the Varta Automotive Deep Cycle 115 Ah, but it have the tapered poles!! Ps I am in Italy. Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad English, next times i'll write with Google trans! :) Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion |
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Battery Replacement SM2000
ferruccilorenzo <ferruccilorenzo@...>
Hi to all!
Reading older posts non answer to my question; does anyone of You can suggest me wich battery I have to buy to sostitute the 12 Delphi marine 105 AH? I like the Varta Automotive Deep Cycle 115 Ah, but it have the tapered poles!! Ps I am in Italy. Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad English, next times i'll write with Google trans! :) Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
I LIKE it, Bob.
Thanks. Kent Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Alltel |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
Well OK then! Here are my next 40 questions:
A joke! Thought I heard a collective sigh. Y'all are the BOMB! Kent Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Alltel |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
Thanks Mike. I guess the Amel drive must be pretty bullet proof. I now have a ss wearing ring but will keep it0for a spare and go with the majority opinion and use bronze. Just hoping the new seals will last longer than a few months this time. It was odd finding no springs in the seals as I know they were there at installation. Can only guess they were NOT ss and rusted completely away when water intruded.
Steady as she goes. Kent SM243 KRIStY Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Alltel |
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Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
rossirossix4
Just my 2 cents on the "C" drive and seals.
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My oil reservoir is labeled "15w40" and I've read the same in manuals. The 15 rating means that it is thinner at lower temperatures (when you first start up) but retains 40 weight protection at higher temps. In earlier postings there is mention that Amel went to 1 seal facing inward (toward the oil) and 2 outward toward the sea water. This is because there is more often a problem with sea water leaking into the system then oil leaking out--although both are possible in severely worn or damaged systems. A key to keeping the stainless lip seal springs from corroding is to pack them in grease. I have had very good luck with the grease that is marketed for packing the wheel bearings of boat trailers. It is designed to keep sea water from permeating and causing corrosion. It is also designed to withstand high rpm and temps and to avoid being washed away by sea water. It is inexpensive--usually blue and green in color and is marketed as "marine boat trailer grease" . Bob Brittany de la Mer --- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
My c drive has a factory label saying use 15-40 weight oil.
Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Richard03801 Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:43 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking Hi Guys the proper oil for the "c" drive is 40 wt MOTOR OIL not ATF. The prop shaft turns inside the bronze bushings. Should you get a line on the shaft or bearing wear and the shaft and SS bushing come in contact you will most likely gaul both and damage the "c" drive. That is y Amel used bronze a bearing material just in case the ball bearing fail. SM 209 FOR SAIL IN ANNAPOLIS Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 "brokerage beyond your expectations" On Jun 24, 2011, at 18:27, amelliahona <no_reply@... <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > wrote: prop shaft. used the bronze ring supplied by Amel. However, I didn't understand Richards comment on the stainless ring being dangerous. It is true that generally you don't want two metals of the same type as wearing against each other, but the wearing out ring doesn't "wear" against the prop shaft. The ring is just basically a sleeve that seals to the prop shaft with an internal o-ring. It provides a sleeve against which the lip seals "wear". There should be no rotation of the wearing-out sleeve/ring relative to the prop shaft. ATF. I am not sure of the miscibility of ATF and engine oil. If the reservoir has been incorrectly filled with ATF, when you change the prop shaft seals/wearing out-ring, once the seals are removed you should be able to use a small tube to insert along side the prop shaft to suck any residual oil/ATF out and then after installing new seals refill with the correct oil. I actually used an old pediatric fiberoptic bronchoscope inserted along side the shaft in this manner to inspect the gears in my C-drive. I am not even sure that the term C-drive is the correct term, but it serves the purpose as long as we are all on the same page of what it represents. <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote: the location you describe, but it's full of transmission fluid. I have never traced it's hose to the transmission to confirm, but since there's no transmission fluid in the drive oil, I assume it's going to the transmission. There is no reservoir for the drive oil. I look forward to seeing your pics an will probably install a reservoir for my drive oil as well. you who put the SS retaining ring in place of the brass one? I've had one machined, but now I'm not sure I should use it after Richard's posts. <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Gary,
If you use grade 10 Black cap screws instead of the s/s bolts provided the autoprop puller works every time without any hammering. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of amelliahona Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:47 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking Thanks Chris for that information. Very valuable. The first time I tried to remove my prop I stretched out two sets of screws and the thing would not budge (1 year old boat and the autoprop was recalled by the factory). No amount of hammering on the puller bolt worked but gently tapping "around" the hub of the prop where it fit on the shaft resulted in an immediate "snap" as the prop released. The key is to put tension on the prop with the puller then tap circumferentially around the prop hub (radially if you will). All the best, Gary Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM # 335 --- In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote: with interest. Just to add a little to the correspondence, on our Santorin, the seals failed shortly after we set out from the Caribbean for the Med. (in 1998) reservoir was almost pure white. On stripping down and checking there was no sign of any excess wear or play in the gears. They were "squeaky clean". A local engineer commented that what had been in there was an oil & water emulsion, and in the days before deterging engine oils that was what was used to wash out engines & gearboxes - known as flushing oil. Fresh water would have been better. but no harm had been done.   We washed the drive out with water, (fresh), from the bottom, usingthe drain hole, and the shaft space, then flushed with oil before replacing the ring and 3 seals, filled with oil, rotated, drained, refilled, until there was no sign of any water contamination.   I spoke with Amel, at that time the SAV was run by J-Y Selo, and heconfirmed our actions, and advised that the likely cause was monofilament line in the water, winding round the prop and melting with the friction, thus ruining the seal. He also said that there was little likelyhood of any harm being done. He said that he would not advise me to leave the boat unused for any length of time with the "white stuff" in the reservoir and gearbox. of contamination, only once at anything other than a planned haulout. (We were going on a cruise into an area where there were no haulout facilities)   I, also, have never even considered using anything other than abronze wearing ring on the prop shaft, in fact I have two spares, with seals, (and yes the seals do have s/s springs), one purchased from Amel on a visit to France, the other locally made, I find it hard to tell the difference. It's relatively easy to change the ring, a HUGE job to do anything to the shaft.   In passing, I was told by another Amel owner that to remove the fixedpitch prop the best way was to heat it gently whilst applying gentle pressure with a puller, there will be a "pop" and the prop will be free. I once managed it without a puller-but remember to wear gloves!   Hope this helps everyone.<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:47 AMpic. I won't get back to the boat until Nov, so can't report back what I have yet. I'd be willing to bet that when the new engine was installed, that drive (and reservoir) was filled with transmission fluid...instead of oil. What a mess! I'll let you know what I find. Sometimes it feels like I'm no farther along now than I was 3 years ago in knowing what I need to know to take care of a boat like this. Thanks again for dragging me along with you...hope I don't get too heavy. Âretaining ring/bushing on the drive shaft for the prop?  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Hi Guys the proper oil for the "c" drive is 40 wt MOTOR OIL not ATF.
The prop shaft turns inside the bronze bushings. Should you get a line on the shaft or bearing wear and the shaft and SS bushing come in contact you will most likely gaul both and damage the "c" drive. That is y Amel used bronze a bearing material just in case the ball bearing fail. SM 209 FOR SAIL IN ANNAPOLIS Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 "brokerage beyond your expectations" On Jun 24, 2011, at 18:27, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:
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[Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
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There is a lot to learn isn't there. I don't pretend to know it all and some of my lessons have been hard earned as well. I don't feel like you are dragging us along at all. Your issues always raise valuable insights and provocative questions. Thanks to you for asking the questions that elicit good information from many. Gary --- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
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[Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Thanks Chris for that information. Very valuable. The first time I tried to remove my prop I stretched out two sets of screws and the thing would not budge (1 year old boat and the autoprop was recalled by the factory). No amount of hammering on the puller bolt worked but gently tapping "around" the hub of the prop where it fit on the shaft resulted in an immediate "snap" as the prop released. The key is to put tension on the prop with the puller then tap circumferentially around the prop hub (radially if you will).
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All the best, Gary Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM # 335 --- In amelyachtowners@..., Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
Hi Kent (et al),
I've been reading the posts about the prop seals and the "C" drive with interest. Just to add a little to the correspondence, on our Santorin, the seals failed shortly after we set out from the Caribbean for the Med. (in 1998) By the time we reached Gibraltar and hauled out, the oil in the reservoir was almost pure white. On stripping down and checking there was no sign of any excess wear or play in the gears. They were "squeaky clean". A local engineer commented that what had been in there was an oil & water emulsion, and in the days before deterging engine oils that was what was used to wash out engines & gearboxes - known as flushing oil. Fresh water would have been better. but no harm had been done. We washed the drive out with water, (fresh), from the bottom, using the drain hole, and the shaft space, then flushed with oil before replacing the ring and 3 seals, filled with oil, rotated, drained, refilled, until there was no sign of any water contamination. I spoke with Amel, at that time the SAV was run by J-Y Selo, and he confirmed our actions, and advised that the likely cause was monofilament line in the water, winding round the prop and melting with the friction, thus ruining the seal. He also said that there was little likelyhood of any harm being done. He said that he would not advise me to leave the boat unused for any length of time with the "white stuff" in the reservoir and gearbox. Since 1998, I have replaced the seals 3 times, each time as a result of contamination, only once at anything other than a planned haulout. (We were going on a cruise into an area where there were no haulout facilities) I, also, have never even considered using anything other than a bronze wearing ring on the prop shaft, in fact I have two spares, with seals, (and yes the seals do have s/s springs), one purchased from Amel on a visit to France, the other locally made, I find it hard to tell the difference. It's relatively easy to change the ring, a HUGE job to do anything to the shaft. In passing, I was told by another Amel owner that to remove the fixed pitch prop the best way was to heat it gently whilst applying gentle pressure with a puller, there will be a "pop" and the prop will be free. I once managed it without a puller-but remember to wear gloves! Hope this helps everyone. Mike & Chris Akwaaba SN027 ________________________________ From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking Thanks, Gary. I should be able to figure it out, especially with your pic. I won't get back to the boat until Nov, so can't report back what I have yet. I'd be willing to bet that when the new engine was installed, that drive (and reservoir) was filled with transmission fluid...instead of oil. What a mess! I'll let you know what I find. Sometimes it feels like I'm no farther along now than I was 3 years ago in knowing what I need to know to take care of a boat like this. Thanks again for dragging me along with you...hope I don't get too heavy. Anyone else want to weigh in on the pros/cons of switching to the SS retaining ring/bushing on the drive shaft for the prop? Thanks, Kent [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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[Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number
Mark Hayden
Sorry I didn't post all the information I should've. Justin's email is Justin.McMahon@.... I gave him the part information below that someone else had posted and a couple of pictures of the gearbox and the "Leroy Somer MINIBIOC MVA-MEVA Installation and maintenance" PDF file. You might also reference his exchange with me (Mark Hayden).
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regards, Mark Manufacturer: LS Leroy Somer Made in France 6015 Angoulene Reducteur N 0256889 Type MVA M33C Rduction 1/60 --- In amelyachtowners@..., amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking
Thanks, Gary. I should be able to figure it out, especially with your pic. I won't get back to the boat until Nov, so can't report back what I have yet. I'd be willing to bet that when the new engine was installed, that drive (and reservoir) was filled with transmission fluid...instead of oil. What a mess! I'll let you know what I find. Sometimes it feels like I'm no farther along now than I was 3 years ago in knowing what I need to know to take care of a boat like this. Thanks again for dragging me along with you...hope I don't get too heavy.
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