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Re: [Amel] penetration of seawater

yossi_kl
 

Hi Kimberlit,thank you for your response it is halpfull for me.

regards
Yossi

----- Original Message -----
From: kimberlite
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: 2010-09-19 03:27
Subject: RE: [Amel] penetration of seawater



In October 2008 we were in hurricane force 12 winds for 36 hours.

The boat was entirely underwater numerous times.

One time one crewmember was up to his armpits in the cockpit.

The engine room remained totally dry and the cockpit drained in 30-45
seconds.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of yossi_kl
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 9:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] penetration of seawater

In case of wave coming over the cockpit, the amount of the saewater can be
up to 3-4 tons,Can the saewater arrive/flood the engineroom and the
batteries that is under the cockpit floor?What Amel did to efficiently drain
vast quantities of seawater without destabilize the floating ability of the
Amel?







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Re: [Amel] penetration of seawater

yossi_kl
 

Richard, thank you for your response,I mean that if flooding can damage the engine and batteries, how it possible to prevent or do something else?

regards
Yossi
What you are saling?

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Piller
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: 2010-09-20 02:42
Subject: Re: [Amel] penetration of seawater



Yossi, the cockpit drains very quickly though large diameter pipes. Second
given that the we have center cockpit boats with hard dodgers the risk of taking
a wave over the bow is remote but can happen. A few years back a memeber took
one over the stern without major damage. He did have some flooding issues but
did not have destablization issues that I am aware of.

Third if you are in that big a sea and worried about a boarding wave hove two.

regards
Richard on SM 209 For Sale

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From: yossi_kl <yossi_kl@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 9:11:07 PM
Subject: [Amel] penetration of seawater

In case of wave coming over the cockpit, the amount of the saewater can be up to
3-4 tons,Can the saewater arrive/flood the engineroom and the batteries that is
under the cockpit floor?What Amel did to efficiently drain vast quantities of
seawater without destabilize the floating ability of the Amel?

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Re: [Amel] penetration of seawater

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Yossi, the cockpit drains very quickly though large diameter pipes. Second
given that the we have center cockpit boats with hard dodgers the risk of taking
a wave over the bow is remote but can happen. A few years back a memeber took
one over the stern without major damage. He did have some flooding issues but
did not have destablization issues that I am aware of.

Third if you are in that big a sea and worried about a boarding wave hove two.

regards
Richard on SM 209 For Sale





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From: yossi_kl <yossi_kl@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 9:11:07 PM
Subject: [Amel] penetration of seawater


In case of wave coming over the cockpit, the amount of the saewater can be up to
3-4 tons,Can the saewater arrive/flood the engineroom and the batteries that is
under the cockpit floor?What Amel did to efficiently drain vast quantities of
seawater without destabilize the floating ability of the Amel?








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Re: [Amel] Need crew for move from Norfolk ,VA to Portsmouth, NH

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Roy, I am available to move your boat from Norfolk to Portsmouth please give
me a call 603 767 5330. I have done the trip any number of times in my Amel.
Regards
Richard Piller SM 209 For Sale





________________________________
From: Roy Duddy <RDuddy@...>
To: Amel Owners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 9:24:09 AM
Subject: [Amel] Need crew for move from Norfolk ,VA to Portsmouth, NH


Any ideas as to who I might hire for this move?
Roy Duddy
Duddy Law Offices
231 North Amherst Road
Bedford, NH 03110
603-472-8500
603-472-7333 Fax
rduddy@...









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Re: [Amel] penetration of seawater

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

In October 2008 we were in hurricane force 12 winds for 36 hours.

The boat was entirely underwater numerous times.

One time one crewmember was up to his armpits in the cockpit.

The engine room remained totally dry and the cockpit drained in 30-45
seconds.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of yossi_kl
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 9:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] penetration of seawater





In case of wave coming over the cockpit, the amount of the saewater can be
up to 3-4 tons,Can the saewater arrive/flood the engineroom and the
batteries that is under the cockpit floor?What Amel did to efficiently drain
vast quantities of seawater without destabilize the floating ability of the
Amel?


penetration of seawater

yossi_kl
 

In case of wave coming over the cockpit, the amount of the saewater can be up to 3-4 tons,Can the saewater arrive/flood the engineroom and the batteries that is under the cockpit floor?What Amel did to efficiently drain vast quantities of seawater without destabilize the floating ability of the Amel?


Re: [Amel] RE:sharki roller furling spars

Gregory Shea <gregorymshea46@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@...> wrote:

Hi Greg,
Sorry for the delay in replying I have been away from home, unfortunately not sailing!
'Zephyr' was built July 1989 and is probably one of the last as the factory would have soon after down then for the annual French summer holiday.
 
Regards
Graham
 
 
 


--- On Wed, 15/9/10, gregorymshea46@... <gregorymshea46@...> wrote:


From: gregorymshea46@... <gregorymshea46@...>
Subject: [Amel] RE:sharki roller furling spars
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, 15 September, 2010, 1:29


 



Graham,
Interesting detail, I hadn't heard about the keel modifications, What year was 181 built?
Greg Shea


Graham,
Would it be possible to email me a photo of the gooseneck to deck area of Zephyr's main mast? My email address is gmshea@.... I think that will make everything clear,in my mind.
Another question about electris roller furling on the Sharkis. I thought it was "standard" on the jib and later on the main but I notice that only a few of the ones advertised currently have both so I'm wondering if the electrics have simply become the victims of old age or were there problems with the concept? With no electrics, can you manually roller furl the main from the cockpit (as you can for the jib) or do you have to do it at the mast?
Thanks for clueing me in.

Greg Shea







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Re: [Amel] RE:sharki roller furling spars

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Hi Greg,
Sorry for the delay in replying I have been away from home, unfortunately not sailing!
'Zephyr' was built July 1989 and is probably one of the last as the factory would have soon after down then for the annual French summer holiday.
 
Regards
Graham

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From: gregorymshea46@... <gregorymshea46@...>
Subject: [Amel] RE:sharki roller furling spars
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, 15 September, 2010, 1:29


 



Graham,
Interesting detail, I hadn't heard about the keel modifications, What year was 181 built?
Greg Shea










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Re: Rép. : [Amel] Prop shaft alternator (psa)

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Pat,
 
Confirmation! The meter on the PSA control panel monitors the amps flowing into the circuit-- ie the House or Service battery bank. If it is not working (movement of the needle towards the right), as you indicated... unless there is a meter failure, your PSA is not generating current into the batteries...
 
Yes, it does not make sense to use the PSA when the main engine is running!  (Unless!!!! the alternator on the engine has failed...)
 
Looking forward for specs of your recent PSA.
 
Serge ,
 
V Opéra, Mango #51 

FOR SALE
LAETITIA II
info: www.columbia37.com



De : sailw32@... <sailw32@...>
Objet : Re: Rép. : [Amel] Prop shaft alternator (psa) (long...)
À : amelyachtowners@...
Date: jeudi 16 septembre 2010 08 h 35


 



Serge, Once again thanks for your reply. You seem to be knowable on this
subject, so I will assume that its safe for both the psa and engine to be
engaged. I took that from your previous reply, then it seemed there was a
contrary post, and the keys being connected made me think. I will post the make
and model of the psa .The meter above the switch is to measure amperage from
the psa, is that correct ?I assumed its purpose was to monitor the battery
bank and was not working.

Thanks once again, Pat SM 123


Re: Rép. : [Amel] Prop shaft alternator (psa)

Patrick McAneny
 

Serge, My boat is on a mooring just off from my house, so I ran out to get
you the psa info. Manufacturer is Valeo made in France. The numbers were
hard to read but I think they read-2988940 also 90838940 , 28 v , 25 amp. My
meter is digital. This weekend while sailing I will see if it works while the
psa is engaged.Thanks, Pat


Re: Rép. : [Amel] Prop shaft alternator (psa) (long...)

Patrick McAneny
 

Serge, Once again thanks for your reply. You seem to be knowable on this
subject, so I will assume that its safe for both the psa and engine to be
engaged. I took that from your previous reply, then it seemed there was a
contrary post, and the keys being connected made me think. I will post the make
and model of the psa .The meter above the switch is to measure amperage from
the psa, is that correct ?I assumed its purpose was to monitor the battery
bank and was not working.

Thanks once again, Pat SM 123


Rép. : [Amel] Prop shaft alternator (psa) (long...)

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Pat,
 
Glad to read you discovered the unquestionable advantage of the PSA.
 
With deference, i refer you to my earlier postings this month on te issue of connection, but maybe my explanations were not clear, so i will restate some.
 
You may purchase the ' 12v Doctor's alternator' book  or ' Sailboat Electrical simplified' from any major shipshandlery, including Defender Industries, to find out more about alternators.
 
On Amels, the red light goes out, as the alternator red warning light on a car, when the exciting current to the alternator starts being generated by the small trio of diodes in or on the alternator.
 
On my boat, the green light  in the PSA control panel indicates power connection on the wire between the house battery bank and the output of the alternator. It is activated by the keyed switch making the connection and it is on as long as the batteries are not fully discharged or the PSA is producing DC voltage and , either way, the switch is on.
The meter indicates the number of amperes being generated by the PSA, not the voltage. As you may know, indicator lights are usually shining on, as showing a voltage difference and not (save few exceptions) a current going thru a circuit in a particular direction. If your green light goes on only when the PSA is generating voltage superior to that of the batteries to which it is connected, it would require a setup (ie a component like a zener diode or ordinary diode) which isolates this light from the batteries. This is certainly not the setup on my Mango and would mean that, in such setup,  the green light and the amp meter have the same purpose!
 
When sailing in a regular ( no gusts) wind, with all sails up, when the wind does bring the boat to 5 or 6 knots, my experience is that the PSA, when engaged, does lightly reduce the hull speed. It seems to be about 1/2knots, try it under conditions where all the energy of the wind is used to propel the boat to a speed less than your mathematical hull speed  ( approximately 1.34 multiplied by the square root of the waterline lenght) and tell all of us about your results.
 
My experience is that neither the PSA nor the other alternators on my boat are damaged by running the motor when the PSA is energized. 
 
In my view, the separate switch  with the same key is simply a idiot proof solution to a nonsensical action by the boat operator.
 
BTW If you do some propeller drag testing, you may also wish to compare the difference in the drag between a free turning 3 blades propeller and stopping the propeller from turning. To my knowledge no one has given results for Amels... but racers and long term offshore sailors recognize a difference. 
 
On the other hand, the main engine  alternator(s) on Amels are not protected from someone (usually refered to as the Brother-in-law) closing off the motor switch before stopping the motor, which often (but not always) results in overloading the alternator(s) thus burning the large rectifier diodes and/or the stator wiring. A zap stop diode is available from major US shipstores to protect against this event.
 
Finally, can you give particulars (Maker, Model, country of origin* etc. ) as to which PSA was recently installed on your boat and, if and when available, the amp. level production on partially discharged batteries at various speeds, ie: 5, 6, 7, 8 kt. As far as i know there is not much? if any documentation on this issue and the Amel is the only production boat that was offered with a standard PSA.
 
Serge, V Opéra, Mango #51
 
*For instance the same model of Alternator made under the Delco-Remy brand (more than a thousand models...)  in the USA or Singapour or elsewhere in Asia may be different.
 

Note:  FOR SALE
LAETITIA II
info: www.columbia37.com
 

De : sailw32@... <sailw32@...>
Objet : [Amel] Prop shaft alternator (psa)
À : amelyachtowners@...


 



Sorry to revisit this subject, but yesterday I installed a new (psa) and immediately went for a sail in 15-20 knts. I was thrilled when I turned the key to engage the alt. ,my volt meter started to head up and kept going, it appears I need about 6 Knts. to start charging.This is going to be a great asset,I wish I had replaced it earlier.I saw no measurable decrease in speed. I noted that Amel had secured the alt. key to the ignition key making it impossible to engage both the psa and engine at the same time ,which leads one to think that was done to prevent engaging both. I have a second set of keys and I always have a key in the ignition in case of an emergency.I would not want to damage my alts. but in case of an emergency I would not want to leave the helm to disengage the psa. My SM is #123,1994, along with the key to engage the psa there is a red and green light. The red light goes on when the key is turned on and then goes off and green light comes
on when charging starts. Does anyone have the same set up and confirm that you can or cannot engage both the psa and engine? Thanks again, Pat


Re: Prop shaft alternator (psa)

bobbohn@...
 

Pat, My Amel is set up the exact same way, both the engine and PSA key are on a welded ring so it's either one or the other. My PSA key switch (panel) is directly starboard in the companionway and can be easily reached from the helm with just a short stretch. -Bob

Mango #31
C'est La Vie


Re: [Amel] Prop shaft alternator (psa)

David Mackintosh <sv.highland.fling@...>
 

Well i for one think this topic is very interesting.

When you say the two keys are secured together do you mean they are on the
same key ring so to operate one you have to remove the other or what?

What sort of PSA do you have is it 'just' a standard automotive alternator
with a very small pulley?

thanks

regards

David



On 15 September 2010 14:29, <sailw32@...> wrote:



Sorry to revisit this subject, but yesterday I installed a new (psa) and
immediately went for a sail in 15-20 knts. I was thrilled when I turned the
key to engage the alt. ,my volt meter started to head up and kept going, it
appears I need about 6 Knts. to start charging.This is going to be a great
asset,I wish I had replaced it earlier.I saw no measurable decrease in
speed. I noted that Amel had secured the alt. key to the ignition key making
it impossible to engage both the psa and engine at the same time ,which
leads one to think that was done to prevent engaging both. I have a second
set of keys and I always have a key in the ignition in case of an
emergency.I would not want to damage my alts. but in case of an emergency I
would not want to leave the helm to disengage the psa. My SM is #123,1994,
along with the key to engage the psa there is a red and green light. The red
light goes on when the key is turned on and then goes off and green light
comes on when charging starts. Does anyone have the same set up and confirm
that you can or cannot engage both the psa and engine? Thanks again, Pat


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Prop shaft alternator (psa)

Patrick McAneny
 

Sorry to revisit this subject, but yesterday I installed a new (psa) and immediately went for a sail in 15-20 knts. I was thrilled when I turned the key to engage the alt. ,my volt meter started to head up and kept going, it appears I need about 6 Knts. to start charging.This is going to be a great asset,I wish I had replaced it earlier.I saw no measurable decrease in speed. I noted that Amel had secured the alt. key to the ignition key making it impossible to engage both the psa and engine at the same time ,which leads one to think that was done to prevent engaging both. I have a second set of keys and I always have a key in the ignition in case of an emergency.I would not want to damage my alts. but in case of an emergency I would not want to leave the helm to disengage the psa. My SM is #123,1994, along with the key to engage the psa there is a red and green light. The red light goes on when the key is turned on and then goes off and green light comes on when charging starts. Does anyone have the same set up and confirm that you can or cannot engage both the psa and engine? Thanks again, Pat


Re: [Amel] Amel contact info

karkauai
 

I've had the same experience, David.  Eventually they usually respond, but it's typically 3-6 wks before I hear back from them.  I've found that Maud Touillet of Customer Service usually gets back to me quicker at sav@... .
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243 KRISTY

--- On Wed, 9/15/10, David Mackintosh <sv.highland.fling@...> wrote:


From: David Mackintosh <sv.highland.fling@...>
Subject: [Amel] Amel contact info
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 6:38 AM


 



Anyone got a good working email address for Amel ?

I sent them an email via the address on their web site a few weeks ago and
so far the silence is deafening................and the august holiday is
well past now.

Was hoping to grab someone at the Southampton Boat show BUT either i was
too busy/distracted and walked past the Amel or they were not at the show.

thanks in anticipation

regards

David

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Amel contact info

David Mackintosh <sv.highland.fling@...>
 

Anyone got a good working email address for Amel ?

I sent them an email via the address on their web site a few weeks ago and
so far the silence is deafening................and the august holiday is
well past now.

Was hoping to grab someone at the Southampton Boat show BUT either i was
too busy/distracted and walked past the Amel or they were not at the show.

thanks in anticipation

regards

David


Re: sharki roller furling spars

gregorymshea46@...
 

Graham,
Interesting detail, I hadn't heard about the keel modifications, What year was 181 built?
Greg Shea


Re: [Amel] Thomson Australe Washing machine

bobparry1947
 

Hello everybody,

I have been reading these emails about the Thomson washing machine. Our
machine is 20 years old and oil leaks out when it spins. It is also very
unhappy doing heavier loads such as towels that it used to cope with. Our
problem is that it is an Electrolux front loader and we have not seen
anything small enough to replace it. Replacing it with a top loader would
involve cutting the top out of the bench and possibly other modifications to
the space. Any ideas?

Ann and Bob Parry
SM#33 Nowornot

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Ian & Judy Jenkins <
ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:




Hi Moon Dog, That's reassuring! The Spanish one is called Edesa, but we
will keep our eyes open for a French one too. Cheers, Ian and Judy

To: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
From: symoondog@... <symoondog%40hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:17:16 +0000
Subject: RE: [Amel] Thomson Australe Washing machine


Hi Pen Azen,

We have not replaced the bearings but we did replace our Thomson Australe
while in Martinique a few months ago. Our washer was on the fritz and we
decided it was too old to invest in a repair. We were amazed at the large
number of brands and models and features available for top loader washers at
the "big box" stores there, all of them almost exactly the size of the
Thomson, if not a little bit smaller in width. There were at least 15 models
to chose from ! Prices in Martinique started in the mid-300 Euros on up into
the 700 Euro price level. If you decide to just buy a new one, I would think
that you could find a similarly good selection of choices in France, if we
had such in Martinique.

If you do buy a new one, the main issue to worry about is the height.
Even though their stated height dimension may be exactly the same as the
Thomson (850mm) many of the models have buttons and knobs etc on that top
control panel area and some are just a tiny bit higher than our Thomsons,
and if so, the countertop lid will be propped up by the contact. We were
worried this might happen to us, but our new one fit just right. If it
hadn't, our plan was to use a dremel tool to just buzz a small hole in the
underside of the top where a knob might be hitting it. Also, check out the
users manual of your finalist washer before buying. There are some French
brands that provided their users manual ONLY in French. The other brands
provide their users manuals in multiple languages.

Good luck !

Ruth Martin
MOON DOG
SM #248


To: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
From: ianjudyjenkins@... <ianjudyjenkins%40hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:34:35 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Thomson Australe Washing machine







Us again. We have this washing machine on board and after ten years of
use its bearings are starting to protest. Has anyone replaced these
bearings? Any tips?We live in fear that the whole thing will pack up, but
yesterday, here in Spain, we discovered a near identical machine. Spanish
made ( I'm not sure that the original is still made by Thomson, but
presumably they have flogged off the m oulds to someone else) I will post
details later of the name of the Spanish version. It costs 420 Euros, more
than the usual vertical door opener because there is little demand for a
small top opener. However, the Spanish one does 6 kg,one more than the
Thomson Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Spain


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I am considering to buy 1977 - 1980 used Amel Maramu 45 feet.

yossi_kl
 

Is there someone that own or have experienced on this kind of vessl? Can you share your opinion for buying such vessel (is it too old?)? Or other information you may think about.

Thanks
Yossi