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Outer Hebrides--the new Croatia

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Wow! Tough on all you guys in the Caribbean or the Med. The Outer Hebrides is clearly the hot spot for 2010, the only place to be seen. Mind you, with as many as three SMs now up here I getting a bit nervous about its exclusivity rating. Hans-Joachim, we must have crossed tacks. We were in Loch Maddy two nights ago, then Scalpay, and arrived here today via the Shiant islands where we have never seen so many Puffins , who breed up here. So cute that even Disney could not have created them. The amazing thing is their taste in winter quarters--some go to Morocco and the rest to New York! If you get the chance to go to the Trishnish islands, just to the west of Mull, go there. You can go ashore and the puffins are totally unafraid. Judy took 168 photos of them as they crowded around her at about 2 feet away.She has already decided on her reincarnation, though she's not too sure about the continuous diet of sand eels.... We hope to catch up with you in Oban. Fair winds, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Stornoway.

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: Dr.Hofschulte@...
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:05:27 +0200
Subject: AW: [Amel] Dishwasher


Hi all,
you are not alone in the outer Hebrides. We came from Germany to norway,
then to the Shetlands Islands, Fair Isle, to Orkney Islands and now to
the outer Hebrides. Tomorrow may be to south Uist and then to Orban for
winterizing the boat.
At the moment we are staying in North Uist, Lochmaddy, next to the
ferryTerminal South Basin. May be we can meet for a cold beer or glas of
wine. Greetings to all of you.

Hans-Joachim S/M 436 Johanna-Amalthea










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Re: [Amel] Dishwasher

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Malcolm, Alas we will be in the Clyde by 19th August. We are now in Stornoway and will start to head south in about three days time, via Canna or Plockton, depending on the weather, though aim to be in Tobermory around the 8th and maybe Oban on the 10th or so. Where are you now and what plans? We have seen one other Amel--a Sharki, here in the last 6 weeks. Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Stornoway.

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: MPhillips@...
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:57:17 +0100
Subject: RE: [Amel] Dishwasher

Hi Ian and Judy,



I'm planning to bring Bon Jovi to Castlebay in Barra on
Thursday 19thAugust. I would be very keen to find out what
system Ian is suggesting as I have hardly used my dishwasher
and an additional source of cold beer and shorts would be
very welcome. Despite the bad weather over the last 6 weeks
the craic is always great on the west coast everyone we meet
is always thirsty !



Maybe catch up with Pen Azen in August -- there's not many of
us about in t5he Hebrides !



All the Best,



Malcolm S/M 464 Bon Jovi



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Ian & Judy Jenkins
Sent: 31 July 2010 11:06
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel] Dishwasher






Hi Bob, That's good to read. Can you tell me what you did and which
system you put in ? Ian


To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
From: bob@... <mailto:bob%40bourlet.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:12:44 +0200
Subject: Re: [Amel] Dishwasher

We did exactly that. Believe me you will be happier with a chilled
bottle of wine instead of clean dishes.
We just crossed to the Med and are now happy to stock our 2nd fridge
with local wine!!
Bob
s/v Minaxi




On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Ian & Judy Jenkins
<ianjudyjenkins@... <mailto:ianjudyjenkins%40hotmail.com>
wrote:

We rarely use our dishwasher.We are heading for the Med. We have a
fridge and one freezer. We would dearly love to convert the
dishwasher space into a cooler box space for beers, wine, sodas etc
Has anyone done this? How did it turn out? Ian and Judy, Pen Azen,
SM 302, South Uist, Outer Hebrides ( where there is little call for
a cool box...)








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Re: [Amel] Dishwasher

dr_hofschulte
 

Hi all,
you are not alone in the outer Hebrides. We came from Germany to norway,
then to the Shetlands Islands, Fair Isle, to Orkney Islands and now to
the outer Hebrides. Tomorrow may be to south Uist and then to Orban for
winterizing the boat.
At the moment we are staying in North Uist, Lochmaddy, next to the
ferryTerminal South Basin. May be we can meet for a cold beer or glas of
wine. Greetings to all of you.

Hans-Joachim S/M 436 Johanna-Amalthea


Re: Kimberlite Photos

lji004 <jose.luis.isasi@...>
 

Hi Eric,

You should be able to delete, since these were yours, unless you have changed your account ID after posting them. Pls, check it by posting a test photo and deleting it.

If you cannot delete the old ones, let me know which ones you want to delete and I will do it for you.

Regards
JL
Euros 41 XALOL

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric" <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I finally was able to post some photos that I have on Kimberlite, melted muffler, power monitor panel, mast section drawing, tool box, genoa furler factory drawing, speed 19.5 over ground, stainless seachest manifold, A factory sketch of an inner forestay arrangement.
my solution to supporting the sb antenna.

I also tried driving out the outhaul shaft using a sledge hammer and a strong bolt --no luck. I finally resorted to removing the boom turning it upside down and removing the the bottom cover of the outhaul shaft drive. I cleaned out the keyway as best as possible and used PB , a rust breaker. I then got the biggest sledge hammer I could find and after about 30 hits the shaft came free. I supported the boom on wood at the mast end with wood which took most of the force and wood along the deck to protect the boom and deck.


How do I delete the other Kimberlite photo files?
fair winds
eric
SM 376.


Re: [Amel] Dishwasher

Malcolm Phillips <MPhillips@...>
 

Hi Ian and Judy,



I'm planning to bring Bon Jovi to Castlebay in Barra on
Thursday 19thAugust. I would be very keen to find out what
system Ian is suggesting as I have hardly used my dishwasher
and an additional source of cold beer and shorts would be
very welcome. Despite the bad weather over the last 6 weeks
the craic is always great on the west coast everyone we meet
is always thirsty !



Maybe catch up with Pen Azen in August -- there's not many of
us about in t5he Hebrides !



All the Best,



Malcolm S/M 464 Bon Jovi



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Ian & Judy Jenkins
Sent: 31 July 2010 11:06
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel] Dishwasher






Hi Bob, That's good to read. Can you tell me what you did and which
system you put in ? Ian


To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
From: bob@... <mailto:bob%40bourlet.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:12:44 +0200
Subject: Re: [Amel] Dishwasher

We did exactly that. Believe me you will be happier with a chilled
bottle of wine instead of clean dishes.
We just crossed to the Med and are now happy to stock our 2nd fridge
with local wine!!
Bob
s/v Minaxi




On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Ian & Judy Jenkins
<ianjudyjenkins@... <mailto:ianjudyjenkins%40hotmail.com>
wrote:

We rarely use our dishwasher.We are heading for the Med. We have a
fridge and one freezer. We would dearly love to convert the
dishwasher space into a cooler box space for beers, wine, sodas etc
Has anyone done this? How did it turn out? Ian and Judy, Pen Azen,
SM 302, South Uist, Outer Hebrides ( where there is little call for
a cool box...)








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Kimberlite Photos

eric <kimberlite@...>
 

I finally was able to post some photos that I have on Kimberlite, melted muffler, power monitor panel, mast section drawing, tool box, genoa furler factory drawing, speed 19.5 over ground, stainless seachest manifold, A factory sketch of an inner forestay arrangement.
my solution to supporting the sb antenna.

I also tried driving out the outhaul shaft using a sledge hammer and a strong bolt --no luck. I finally resorted to removing the boom turning it upside down and removing the the bottom cover of the outhaul shaft drive. I cleaned out the keyway as best as possible and used PB , a rust breaker. I then got the biggest sledge hammer I could find and after about 30 hits the shaft came free. I supported the boom on wood at the mast end with wood which took most of the force and wood along the deck to protect the boom and deck.


How do I delete the other Kimberlite photo files?
fair winds
eric
SM 376.


Re: [Amel] Dishwasher

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Bob, That's good to read. Can you tell me what you did and which system you put in ? Ian

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: bob@...
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:12:44 +0200
Subject: Re: [Amel] Dishwasher

We did exactly that. Believe me you will be happier with a chilled
bottle of wine instead of clean dishes.
We just crossed to the Med and are now happy to stock our 2nd fridge
with local wine!!
Bob
s/v Minaxi




On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Ian & Judy Jenkins <ianjudyjenkins@...
> wrote:


We rarely use our dishwasher.We are heading for the Med. We have a
fridge and one freezer. We would dearly love to convert the
dishwasher space into a cooler box space for beers, wine, sodas etc
Has anyone done this? How did it turn out? Ian and Judy, Pen Azen,
SM 302, South Uist, Outer Hebrides ( where there is little call for
a cool box...)








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Re: [Amel] a clean toilet

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Thanks for your work on this. I can't explain why but it took out the seal in the through valve. We are waiting for a replacement should be here next week.
Smooth sailing.
Regards
Richard Piller

On Jul 29, 2010, at 17:10, "syhazel55" <symoondog@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,
I called the manufacturer of the SewClean product to inquire about your concerns, and they were adamant that their product does not harm plastic, rubber or metal. Since posting my first notes on this product, I also have used it to clean the lines from my seachest to the toilet and have had good results. I also did a mini-test with a rubber O-ring, leaving it in a bowl of the SewClean (undiluted) efor 3 days and it seemed unaffected.

John
MOON DOG
SM 248

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi we just used the same SEW Clean it work well WITH one BIG problem it cleaned the seal off our ball valve so that it no longer not a big deal except that when in port we can nolonger use the forward head unit we change out the sea cock. So much for savings. Just as a check we closed the valve fill the holding tank again with water and within a few hours the tank was empty. Lesson learned take care when/if using this stuff We used 1 part chem 6 parts water.

Richard SM209

Sent by Richard Piller

On May 26, 2010, at 17:09, john martin <symoondog@...> wrote:


I believe I have found a good solution for the unenviable task of cleaning and deordorizing toilets on board. The product is “SewClean” meaning sewer clean â€" see WWW.TRAC-ONLINE.COM. It is non-toxic and biodegradable. It acts the same as muriatic acid as it removes scale and calcium from the pipes, hoses and parts in your toilet.

A one gallon jug of SewClean cost me about US$80 (bought in St Lucia) but you dilute it 5:1 so you end up with 6 gallons of product for treating the toilets. (Since I’m not in the states right now, I don’t know about cost or availability there) First I mixed up a one gallon batch. On the toilet, I pushed the right hand switch (pump only) to empty the toilet system and holding tank of any fluid. Then I shut off the holding tank and taped the vent on deck to make it airtight (per the directions). I then put the 1 gallon batch into the toilet and using pump-only, I pumped it all in, being careful to leave a little of the mix in the bottom of the toilet. Aft er 24 hours, I got in the dinghy and observed at the holding tank drain hole while my wife opened the valve to empty the holding tank. I was astounded by the volume of particles and crud that came out. The product had turned dark reddish-brown, probably a chemical reaction. Next my wife flushed the toilet with sea water several times and a great deal more crud and pieces of beige colored scale were flushed out. Now that we’re done, the toilet flushes well and smells great. For US$15 a treatment, it sure beats spending a miserable day dissassembling and cleaning an entire toilet system.

The same company also makes “Barnacle Buster,” a product that removes calcium deposits from the sea water cooling system in your engine and heat exhanger without the need for disaasembling any systems. I haven’t tried this yet but will send in a report after I do.

I also found a similar product for the toilet called Maritime Express “The Ultimate Descaler.” It’s sold by WWW.SEAFARING.COM in California. It’s only US$30 per gallon from them and I don’t know what dealers might carry it in the US or elsewhere.

John Martin
MOON DOG
SM #248

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Re: [Amel] Dishwasher

minaxi53
 

We did exactly that. Believe me you will be happier with a chilled
bottle of wine instead of clean dishes.
We just crossed to the Med and are now happy to stock our 2nd fridge
with local wine!!
Bob
s/v Minaxi




On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Ian & Judy Jenkins <ianjudyjenkins@...
> wrote:


We rarely use our dishwasher.We are heading for the Med. We have a
fridge and one freezer. We would dearly love to convert the
dishwasher space into a cooler box space for beers, wine, sodas etc
Has anyone done this? How did it turn out? Ian and Judy, Pen Azen,
SM 302, South Uist, Outer Hebrides ( where there is little call for
a cool box...)




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Re: [Amel] a clean toilet

syhazel55 <symoondog@...>
 

Hi Richard,
I called the manufacturer of the SewClean product to inquire about your concerns, and they were adamant that their product does not harm plastic, rubber or metal. Since posting my first notes on this product, I also have used it to clean the lines from my seachest to the toilet and have had good results. I also did a mini-test with a rubber O-ring, leaving it in a bowl of the SewClean (undiluted) efor 3 days and it seemed unaffected.

John
MOON DOG
SM 248

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi we just used the same SEW Clean it work well WITH one BIG problem it cleaned the seal off our ball valve so that it no longer not a big deal except that when in port we can nolonger use the forward head unit we change out the sea cock. So much for savings. Just as a check we closed the valve fill the holding tank again with water and within a few hours the tank was empty. Lesson learned take care when/if using this stuff We used 1 part chem 6 parts water.

Richard SM209

Sent by Richard Piller

On May 26, 2010, at 17:09, john martin <symoondog@...> wrote:


I believe I have found a good solution for the unenviable task of cleaning and deordorizing toilets on board. The product is “SewCleanâ€� meaning sewer clean â€" see WWW.TRAC-ONLINE.COM. It is non-toxic and biodegradable. It acts the same as muriatic acid as it removes scale and calcium from the pipes, hoses and parts in your toilet.

A one gallon jug of SewClean cost me about US$80 (bought in St Lucia) but you dilute it 5:1 so you end up with 6 gallons of product for treating the toilets. (Since I’m not in the states right now, I don’t know about cost or availability there) First I mixed up a one gallon batch. On the toilet, I pushed the right hand switch (pump only) to empty the toilet system and holding tank of any fluid. Then I shut off the holding tank and taped the vent on deck to make it airtight (per the directions). I then put the 1 gallon batch into the toilet and using pump-only, I pumped it all in, being careful to leave a little of the mix in the bottom of the toilet. Aft er 24 hours, I got in the dinghy and observed at the holding tank drain hole while my wife opened the valve to empty the holding tank. I was astounded by the volume of particles and crud that came out. The product had turned dark reddish-brown, probably a chemical reaction. Next my wife flushed the toilet with sea water several times and a great deal more crud and pieces of beige colored scale were flushed out. Now that we’re done, the toilet flushes well and smells great. For US$15 a treatment, it sure beats spending a miserable day dissassembling and cleaning an entire toilet system.

The same company also makes “Barnacle Buster,� a product that removes calcium deposits from the sea water cooling system in your engine and heat exhanger without the need for disaasembling any systems. I haven’t tried this yet but will send in a report after I do.

I also found a similar product for the toilet called Maritime Express “The Ultimate Descaler.� It’s sold by WWW.SEAFARING.COM in California. It’s only US$30 per gallon from them and I don’t know what dealers might carry it in the US or elsewhere.

John Martin
MOON DOG
SM #248

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Dishwasher

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

We rarely use our dishwasher.We are heading for the Med. We have a fridge and one freezer. We would dearly love to convert the dishwasher space into a cooler box space for beers, wine, sodas etc Has anyone done this? How did it turn out? Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, South Uist, Outer Hebrides ( where there is little call for a cool box...)


Re: [Amel] Re: portlight "drip guard" & genoa track wheel

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

This is a nice design, thank you for sharing ! I have had no luck locating any device similar to the original Amel equipment so this is a good option to consider.

Ruth
MOON DOG
SM 248



To: amelyachtowners@...
From: kanalmamman@...
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:36:08 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Re: portlight "drip guard" & genoa track wheel






When we were in La Rochelle, France at the Amel poonton I saw this arrangement on an Super Maramu.
Please look in the Album "Portlight sun and drip protection". Maybee it can help if you can't get hold of a new plastic one.

Regards
Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila. SM 232
for the moment in La Corua, Spain

--- In amelyachtowners@..., john martin <symoondog@...> wrote:


Hello All,



Most SM's (as well as other Amel models) seem to have the galley portlight equipped with a plastic drip guard. Ours is starting to chip and degrade. It works very nicely and I'd like to have one for the aft head port as well. The Amel parts department just told me they no longer carry them in stock, and did not offer any advice about an alternative source. I have never seen one on another type boat. There is nothing similar on the Goiot web site. Does anyone know of a source for a similar device ?



Similarly, the black line wheel at the aft end of one of our genoa track systems has cracked and no doubt the other one will crack soon too. These are stamped Amel; Amel can provide them for 133 Euros each + shipping to the US. Does anyone know of an alternate source ?



Thanks

Ruth

MOON DOG

SM #248

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Re: portlight "drip guard" & genoa track wheel

ladyannila <kanalmamman@...>
 

When we were in La Rochelle, France at the Amel poonton I saw this arrangement on an Super Maramu.
Please look in the Album "Portlight sun and drip protection". Maybee it can help if you can't get hold of a new plastic one.

Regards
Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila. SM 232
for the moment in La Coruña, Spain

--- In amelyachtowners@..., john martin <symoondog@...> wrote:


Hello All,



Most SM's (as well as other Amel models) seem to have the galley portlight equipped with a plastic drip guard. Ours is starting to chip and degrade. It works very nicely and I'd like to have one for the aft head port as well. The Amel parts department just told me they no longer carry them in stock, and did not offer any advice about an alternative source. I have never seen one on another type boat. There is nothing similar on the Goiot web site. Does anyone know of a source for a similar device ?



Similarly, the black line wheel at the aft end of one of our genoa track systems has cracked and no doubt the other one will crack soon too. These are stamped Amel; Amel can provide them for 133 Euros each + shipping to the US. Does anyone know of an alternate source ?



Thanks

Ruth

MOON DOG

SM #248

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Super Maramu Salon Cushion Cover - Beige Ultrasuede

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

We got a little too aggressive in cleaning a wine stain on the beige Ultrasuede fabric on aft fridge locker seat cushion...we cleaned it until the microfiber pile was removed from the base cloth. I have contacted Amel and they advised that they no longer have these.

Does anyone happen to know where I can order a cover ready to install?

My alternative plan is to have a new cover made using the old cover as a pattern and using the aft mattress cover for material. However, we assume that we would wait until we are in the Med next year in order to find a capable upholsterer.

Suggestions welcome.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Malaysia


Re: [Amel] Emeter shunt

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi,

Follow the battery cables. They come to a central set of studs.

On the other side of the wood panel where the studs are mounted is the
shunt. I believe there is a flap cut into the area under the mattress to
access this.

Fair Winds



Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite







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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Anne and John Hollamby
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Emeter shunt





Following a major short circuit my Emeter now only reads voltage. I have
replaced a burnt out fuse in the supply line so probably either the the
meter is beyond repair or the 500 amp shunt has burnt out.But I cannot find
the shunt which is not apparent beside the battery switches so far as I can
see. Any clues anyone?

Hoping, John, Bali Hai, SM 319


Re: [Amel] Re: Genset Cooling Circuit Airlock -NOW SOLVED!

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Ian, I think you are right about the Onan impellers not being designed to run dry. In our engine room is a sign saying that if the seawater has been drained the main engine should be run first before the Onan--presumably to get some water into the system. Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, South Uist.

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: sv_freespirit@...
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:23:22 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Genset Cooling Circuit Airlock -NOW SOLVED!

Hi Erick and all who helped with this problem,

I read your post two days after I finally cured the problem. Our cases
are very similar. Having decided to have one final go at finding the
cause, I removed the impeller pump completely from the genset. Removing
the end cover revealed a perfect set of impeller blades. I had done this
before and naturally assumed that the impeller was good, especially as I
had only recently changed it. I decided however to extract the impeller
and check the inlet and outlet holes for any debris. This revealed the
root of the problem, which in many ways resembled yours.

There was a considerable build up of corrosion part way around the
inside corner of the impeller housing. Instead of a neat right angle
between the inner face of the housing and the circular face that the
tips of the blades squeeze against, about one third of the circumference
was raised and had dog eared the blades as they rotated over this rough
area on the inner side of the blades only. Not enough to stop the pump
working when the boat was stationary, but enough for water not to be
drawn up to the pump after movement on the boat through the water had
siphoned the water level below the sea chest pipe elbow.

Having put vinegar and my best toothbrush to work on the corrosion and
changed the impeller, I am very happy to report that even during an 8 kt
sail in moderate seas, the generator started and kept running without
problem. Yee Ha!

What I have not yet been able to do is to see whether water is still
drawn back down the inlet pipe when the boat is sailing now that the
impeller blades fit the housing properly. It was too rough to safely
remove my folding cycle from it's stowage in front of the sea chest, but
I shall endeavour to do so in the next few days. If this still is the
case, then I shall try and find a non return valve and fit it in the
inlet pipe to the impeller. I don't believe that these impellers were
deisgned to run dry whilst drawing water to the pump, and anything that
prevents this must improve their life.

Problem solved. Many thanks to all of you that went to the trouble to
help out. Moral of the story? Never assume anything!

Regards

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader


On 05/07/2010 19:24, G D wrote
Hi Ian
I went through your post and this reminded me what happened to me two years ago.
The symptoms were the same and being unable to find the reason of this breakdown drove me crazy for two days. I checked each and every pipe. As long as there were no counter pressure it was ok. Each time I connected all the pipes the pump did not work. The impeller was new. I changed the entire gasket set of the water pump. I checked every possible solution with no success until I fixed back the old impeller and, miracle everything went back to normal?
Incredible indeed. I took off again the pump impeller cover and while holding it between my fingers I realized that the inner cover face was uneven and slightly worn out. There was a difference of a couple of tenth of millimetres due to the impeller friction which left a print into the steel. In fact the old impeller was matching perfectly the small cavity conversely to the new one which did not. I then polished the plate surface to even it. I fix it back with the new impeller and miracle after two days of nightmare it worked perfectly. It has been working perfectly well since.
It was a very tricky issue which I managed to solve just by luck!
I hope this post will be helpful.
Erick

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: yahoogroups@...
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 08:00:52 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Re: Genset Cooling Circuit Airlock




























Hi Ian,



I did not ask for the experience, but I have had a lot of experience with salt water flow and the Onan because I had 3 strange issues occurring at the same time:

(1) The stainless steel pipe had a suction leak.

(2) A high rate of impeller failure.

(3) Water-flow sensor failure.

At one point I thought they were related, but later found that they were separate. The water pump impeller shaft key was sufficiently worn causing the impeller to spin on the shaft, the pipe had a defective seam, and the water-flow sensor was filled with crud.



During these issues I found that the slightest amount of air entering on the suction side of the pump would cause a water-flow shutdown, a small amount of crud would cause a water-flow shutdown, and a missing or cracked impeller blade would also cause a shutdown. Recently, I found a 4th cause of water-flow shutdown:

"Y" fitting off the sea chest clogged very tightly with mussels.



The more I think about your problem, the more I am curious about your situation. I have disconnected the input hose to the salt water pump enough times to know that if the sea chest valve is open and the lines are clear of obstructions, gravity will cause water to flow freely through the hose when it is disconnected from the intake side of the sea water pump. Close the intake valve to the sea chest and the water flow at the intake to the salt water pump stops.



I believe that if water is flowing freely to the intake side of the salt water pump, it is impossible to have air replace the water in the salt water pump unless air is entering as the pump begins to operate, or possibly a cracked or broken impeller blade.



Like I said, I have done this drill more times than I can count. Here is what I would do:



1. Remove the hose from the intake side of the Onan salt water pump, holding the end over a bucket. Loosen the clamp on the hose where connected to the SS pipe. Twist the hose downward several inches. Water should begin to flow and continue to flow freely (no dribbles) until the sea chest valve is closed...If NOT, there is an obstruction. Clear the obstruction and go sailing. If this does not solve the issue, go to 2.



2. Buy a 2-3 meter piece of wire-reinforced 25mm hose. Disconnect the Onan 25mm hose from the "Y" on the sea chest. Using a piece of wire, inspect the "Y" carefully to ensure no obstructions then connect this new hose to the "Y." Connect the other end of the hose to the input side of Onan Salt Water pump. Go sail. If this solves the problem you either have an obstruction in the SS pipe or 25mm hose or you have an air leak in either or both (it is possible to have a small tear in the hose which does not leak water, but will allow air). If this does not solve the issue, leave the hose in place and go to 3.



3. Pull the Onan Salt Water pump. Change the impeller, carefully inspecting the shaft key to ensure it is not worn. Go sail. If this does not solve the issue, leave the hose in place and go to 4.



4. Remove the heat exchanger and have it properly cleaned; reinstall it with a new zinc (take care with the end caps as they are delicate and will probably need replacing). Go sail.



If this does not solve the issue, I have wasted your time, and for that I apologize. If it works, one Red Stripe, please.



I remain curious of your eventual solution.



Best,



Bill

BeBe, SM2k, #387

Currently Malaysia



--- In amelyachtowners@..., Ian Shepherd<sv_freespirit@...> wrote:


Hi Bill,
thanks for the suggestion. I have checked the stainless pipe and there
is no sign of any leaking water, though I have been unable to check the
aft end of the pipe yet as it is buried under storage boxes that I built
above the hot water tank.
If left at it's berth, the genset will always start normally with a good
supply of water. It's only when sailing that the water disappears. It
would seem that the forward motion sucks the water out of the system,
creating an air lock. Why water does not get forced back to the pump
when the boat is staionary and on an even keel is a mystery. Maybe if
the impeller vanes straddle the intake opening, then the air cannot pas
through the pump?
Two solutions come to mind. Install a scoop at the strainer intake.
(Haul out required and more drag), or install a non return valve just
below the impeller. I am dubious as to whether such a valve exists that
will withstand prolonged salt water immersion.
I have emailed Amel for help and will pass it along if they come up with
the answer.
Regards
Ian
















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Following a major short circuit my Emeter now only reads voltage. I have replaced a burnt out fuse in the supply line so probably either the the meter is beyond repair or the 500 amp shunt has burnt out.But I cannot find the shunt which is not apparent beside the battery switches so far as I can see. Any clues anyone?

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Re: [Amel] Modifications

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Ian thanks for the reply. Do you know what grade of stainless you used?

Regards
Richard Piller

On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:39, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

I am not sure if I mentioned that the stainless prop shaft bush has been
in use for over three years with no signs of any adverse effect.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 02/07/2010 14:13, Richard03801 wrote:

Thanks for the info. One question how much clearance did you plan
between the shaft and bushings? Metal to metal ss to ss normally does
not work well. If they touch they will Gaul as the bronze is used as a
bearing surface. It may be that the bearing pack is stiff enough to
hold the shaft from moving/touching. I guess time will tell.
Regards
Sent by Richard Piller

On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...
<mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:

I read recently that owners modifications can be detrimental to the
original concept. Maybe so, but here are three modifications that have
definitely improved my boat.

Three and a half years ago I replaced the bronze main engine prop shaft
bush with one made of high grade stainless steel. I recently hauled for
the first time since fitting it and there was absolutely no wear
whatsoever on the bush. Just a very slight polishing of the surface
where the lip seals mate to the bush. There was no noticeable wear to
the seals either after 600 hours of motoring, but I changed them
anyway.
This contrasts markedly to the normal wear experienced on the standard
bush. I believe that the maintenance interval is now much longer with
the stainless bush, and there is a worthwhile long term cost saving too.

I replaced the 70M of chain supplied by Amel with 90M. There was a
noticeable improvement in the boats motion particularly in short seas.
The boat pitches less, hardly ever slams any more and because of this
maintains a higher average speed. I also have 10M of chain and 100M of
rope for my second anchor stored in the forward locker together with my
two Fortress anchors, so in reality, I have the equivalent of 100M of
10mm chain in bow. The extra weight forward certainly seems to be for
the better.

I decided to try and improve the lubrication of the bow thruster, which
seems to have more sea water inside it than oil most of the time. The
arrangement of a single lip seal over a rough fibre shaft is hardly
conducive to keeping the sea water out. I removed the shaft and had it
machined down to accept a thin stainless sleeve for the lip seal to run
on. I then replaced the three open ball race bearings, which were all
rusty, with sealed bearings running in their own grease. Of course this
prevents you pouring the oil in via the top of the tube, so I
decided to
not use oil to lubricate the bevel gears, but instead use water
repellent grease.

This was packed into the gearbox housing before the back plate was
refitted, leaving a small gap to allow for expansion, and grease was
also placed between the outside of the outer bearing and the lip seal.
This was done about four months ago, and the bow thruster has never
sounded sweeter. Gone is the awful sound of bearings running is a sea
water emulsion, and there does not seem to be any loss in power either.
Time will tell, and I shall remove the bow thruster this winter to see
if the modifications have had any adverse effects on the gears, but it
is my guess that the life of the seal, bearings and bevel gears will be
considerably increased.

As they say, cruising is fixing things on water. Anything that reduces
wear and subsequent failure must be for the better.

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader
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Re: [Amel] Re: Modifications

Malcolm Phillips <MPhillips@...>
 

Hello again Ian,



Hadn't read your response.



Thanks very much for your info on the bevel gears and I will
put a taper on the s/s sleeve as you suggest.



I'm now back in the UK from Turkey and will overhaul the
Bowthruster gearbox this winter.



I also recently replaced the 2 large foam washers on the
bowthruster tube which has kept the interior of the boat much
cleaner, the main benefit was of course to avoid any sea
water reaching the ball race at the bottom of the bowthruster
motor as I believe some S/M s have had this ballrace
disintegrate and burn out the motor - a very expensive problem !



I'm sure that the Schleiper unit will be a better option than
the Leroy Somers Motor.



Thanks again,



Malcolm S/M 464 Bon Jovi



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Ian Shepherd
Sent: 27 July 2010 16:36
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Modifications





Hi Malcom,

you should be OK. My bevel gears were 7 years old before I made the
modification, and I suspect they were running in emulsion for much of
their life. Certainly before the recent haul out, there was no oil left
at all in the housing when I took the thruster apart. I am just amazed
that this unit was designed with a single lip seal and such a poor seal
to shaft contact surface. I believe that Amel use a Schleiper made unit
on the 54. At least the demo I had a look at when they first came out
was fitted with one.

By the way, when I had the stainless sleeve made for the shaft, I had
the outer end tapered. This makes it easier for the seal to slide onto
the shaft without popping the spring off it's inner face. I bet there
are quite a few Amels out there with the spring dislodged. It's so easy
to do.

Good luck

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 05/07/2010 07:47, Malcolm Phillips wrote:

Eric/Ian,

You may be interested to note that the bearing spec on my
Redline 464 gives 2 sealed ball races and one open, ie the top
one which then allows you to fill with oil. I am very
impressed with Ian,s modifications which I may do when I next
overhaul the bow thrusters gearbox. Unfortunately on the first
overhaul I concluded that the bevel gears were worn after
running in emulsion for a year SO PACKING WITH WATERPROOF
GREASE MAY BE THE ONLY WAY OF GETTING A SWEETER SOUND BACK !

Malcolm

S/M 464 Bon Jovi

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<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...
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Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Modifications

Ian,

As I understand what you wrote about the bow thruster you added a
sleeve
in
the shaft that is connected to the prp and replaced the bearings with
sealed
bearings and then packed the gearbox with grease.

Why can you not add oil from the top of the bow thruster?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

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Subject: [Amel] Re: Modifications

Hello Richard,

the stainless bush was an exact copy of the bronze one, except that it
was
made with three grub screws instead of two to allow better centering.

Assembled with grease there are no signs of any Galling after over
three
years of use. In fact both the shaft and the bush look as new.

I am off for 10 weeks sailing this morning, so will be unable to reply
further until I find a wireless network to log on to, but I will be
glad
to
discuss further when I get back.

Regards

Ian SM414 Crusader (Headed for Mersin Eastern Turkey)

--- In amelyachtowners@...
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<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801
<richard03801@...>
wrote:

Thanks for the info. One question how much clearance did you plan
between
the shaft and bushings? Metal to metal ss to ss normally does not work
well.
If they touch they will Gaul as the bronze is used as a bearing
surface.
It
may be that the bearing pack is stiff enough to hold the shaft from
moving/touching. I guess time will tell.
Regards
Sent by Richard Piller

On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

I read recently that owners modifications can be detrimental to
the
original concept. Maybe so, but here are three modifications that
have
definitely improved my boat.

Three and a half years ago I replaced the bronze main engine prop
shaft
bush with one made of high grade stainless steel. I recently
hauled
for
the first time since fitting it and there was absolutely no wear
whatsoever on the bush. Just a very slight polishing of the
surface
where the lip seals mate to the bush. There was no noticeable wear
to
the seals either after 600 hours of motoring, but I changed them
anyway.

This contrasts markedly to the normal wear experienced on the
standard
bush. I believe that the maintenance interval is now much longer
with
the stainless bush, and there is a worthwhile long term cost
saving
too.

I replaced the 70M of chain supplied by Amel with 90M. There was a
noticeable improvement in the boats motion particularly in short
seas.
The boat pitches less, hardly ever slams any more and because of
this
maintains a higher average speed. I also have 10M of chain and
100M
of
rope for my second anchor stored in the forward locker together
with
my
two Fortress anchors, so in reality, I have the equivalent of 100M
of
10mm chain in bow. The extra weight forward certainly seems to be
for
the better.

I decided to try and improve the lubrication of the bow thruster,
which
seems to have more sea water inside it than oil most of the time.
The
arrangement of a single lip seal over a rough fibre shaft is
hardly
conducive to keeping the sea water out. I removed the shaft and
had
it
machined down to accept a thin stainless sleeve for the lip seal
to
run
on. I then replaced the three open ball race bearings, which were
all
rusty, with sealed bearings running in their own grease. Of course
this
prevents you pouring the oil in via the top of the tube, so I
decided to

not use oil to lubricate the bevel gears, but instead use water
repellent grease.

This was packed into the gearbox housing before the back plate was
refitted, leaving a small gap to allow for expansion, and grease
was

also placed between the outside of the outer bearing and the lip
seal.
This was done about four months ago, and the bow thruster has
never
sounded sweeter. Gone is the awful sound of bearings running is a
sea
water emulsion, and there does not seem to be any loss in power
either.
Time will tell, and I shall remove the bow thruster this winter to
see
if the modifications have had any adverse effects on the gears,
but
it
is my guess that the life of the seal, bearings and bevel gears
will
be
considerably increased.

As they say, cruising is fixing things on water. Anything that
reduces
wear and subsequent failure must be for the better.

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader




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Re: [Amel] Modifications

Malcolm Phillips <MPhillips@...>
 

Hi Ian,



Very interested in you mods to Bowthruster gearbox. Despite changing all my bearings and seals the water still gets in and I think that the stainless steel sleeve on the prop drive shaft is the answer.



I would therefore be grateful if you could e-mail the exact o/d of your sleeve to suit the seal i/d if you have a note of this size.



Maybe then I can stop waking up everyone in the Marina every time I leave !



Regards,



Malcolm S/M 464 Bon Jovi.



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Ian Shepherd
Sent: 27 July 2010 16:39
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Modifications





Hi Richard,

I am not sure if I mentioned that the stainless prop shaft bush has been
in use for over three years with no signs of any adverse effect.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 02/07/2010 14:13, Richard03801 wrote:

Thanks for the info. One question how much clearance did you plan
between the shaft and bushings? Metal to metal ss to ss normally does
not work well. If they touch they will Gaul as the bronze is used as a
bearing surface. It may be that the bearing pack is stiff enough to
hold the shaft from moving/touching. I guess time will tell.
Regards
Sent by Richard Piller

On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@... <mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>
<mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:

I read recently that owners modifications can be detrimental to the
original concept. Maybe so, but here are three modifications that have
definitely improved my boat.

Three and a half years ago I replaced the bronze main engine prop shaft
bush with one made of high grade stainless steel. I recently hauled for
the first time since fitting it and there was absolutely no wear
whatsoever on the bush. Just a very slight polishing of the surface
where the lip seals mate to the bush. There was no noticeable wear to
the seals either after 600 hours of motoring, but I changed them
anyway.
This contrasts markedly to the normal wear experienced on the standard
bush. I believe that the maintenance interval is now much longer with
the stainless bush, and there is a worthwhile long term cost saving too.

I replaced the 70M of chain supplied by Amel with 90M. There was a
noticeable improvement in the boats motion particularly in short seas.
The boat pitches less, hardly ever slams any more and because of this
maintains a higher average speed. I also have 10M of chain and 100M of
rope for my second anchor stored in the forward locker together with my
two Fortress anchors, so in reality, I have the equivalent of 100M of
10mm chain in bow. The extra weight forward certainly seems to be for
the better.

I decided to try and improve the lubrication of the bow thruster, which
seems to have more sea water inside it than oil most of the time. The
arrangement of a single lip seal over a rough fibre shaft is hardly
conducive to keeping the sea water out. I removed the shaft and had it
machined down to accept a thin stainless sleeve for the lip seal to run
on. I then replaced the three open ball race bearings, which were all
rusty, with sealed bearings running in their own grease. Of course this
prevents you pouring the oil in via the top of the tube, so I
decided to
not use oil to lubricate the bevel gears, but instead use water
repellent grease.

This was packed into the gearbox housing before the back plate was
refitted, leaving a small gap to allow for expansion, and grease was
also placed between the outside of the outer bearing and the lip seal.
This was done about four months ago, and the bow thruster has never
sounded sweeter. Gone is the awful sound of bearings running is a sea
water emulsion, and there does not seem to be any loss in power either.
Time will tell, and I shall remove the bow thruster this winter to see
if the modifications have had any adverse effects on the gears, but it
is my guess that the life of the seal, bearings and bevel gears will be
considerably increased.

As they say, cruising is fixing things on water. Anything that reduces
wear and subsequent failure must be for the better.

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader