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Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost
Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
Alexandre,
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Costs are dependent on many issues...age of the Amel, level and quality of care given by the previous owner, prior frequency of use, and your frequency of use. If you want to see some exact costs over a four year period while circumnavigating go to http://www.svbebe.com and click on the "Costs" tab. You will see some narrative and a spreadsheet. When looking at the spreadsheet, please note that "Misc Boat Supplies" is all boat maintenance/parts other than Amel spare parts, which is a separate line, and those items were ordered directly from Amel. Our attitude toward maintenance and repair is that we perform routine maintenance on all things before the recommended date and that we replace things when they look a "little tired." I can imagine that our costs may have been 30-40% cheaper if our attitude was to replace or repair only when it fails. From what I have seen and what I have experienced, I believe the most important Amel ownership cost factor is based on the level and quality of care given by the previous owner. I think you should take the utmost care in the selection of your "previous owner." Are you using a broker that can add value to the purchase? If you are looking to buy in the US, talk to Amel specialist, Joel Potter (jfpottercys"at"att.net)...I know he will add value to your purchase. I hope this helps you and wish you well. If you have any specific questions regarding our costs or anything else, feel free to email me at bill"at"svbebe.com Regards, Bill s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387 Currently waiting for monsoon winds to carry us to the Red Sea blog: http://www.svbebe.com --- In amelyachtowners@..., Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:
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Serg if you are looking for a Gen set replacement we did a Bata unit it is a bolt In everything matches up. That is because it appears to be the same confit that Onan uses.
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Re: Re : [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Dear Serge, I am very happy to have your feedback as the Mango seems more in my budget. If I am not mistaking the Nirvana is an electric in-mast furling, does it work well? Are you happy with it? I read Amel went on designing their in-house in-mast furling…
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You mentioned your Mango is in Martinique during hurricane season, could you please let me know how much is your insurance (just the percentage), my research tells me (in the US, near Houston, TX) for 25 year old boat, I will pay 3% per year. So for example for 200,000 will be 6,000 per year. I am glad to read your opinion on Amel having the lowest maintenance cost. After being on a Super Maramu, I love the space, the concept, equipments, etc. but they seem quite expensive to up-keep and I feel like a less sophisticated or smaller Maramu or Mango would be less financially stressful to own. For information here is the intended goal: -A year from now: purchasing the vessel. Live aboard right away. - The next 4 years, “local” (day or weekend) sailing to fix the bugs and put the vessel in excellent sailing condition. -Then the following 10 years, slowing sailing around South America then eventually back to Europe; sail for 2 or 3 days then anchor for 2 weeks to a month. Regarding the costs: I don’t want to be stressed about expenses. I will be fine spending $18,000 (average) per year on maintenance (in addition to the $6,000 Marina slip, $6,000 insurance and fuel), but I don’t want to purchase a vessel which end up costing $30,000 per years on maintenance alone. I heard about the Pierpont Morgan expression: “If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it”. Thanks again for taking the time to respond, I truly appreciate all of the responses so far. Sincerely, Alexandre --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...> wrote:
From: Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...> Subject: Re : [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 12:48 AM Hi, Maintenance cost vary from year to year but 10% of the value does represent a fair amount for my 1985 Mango. I do a lot of the work, but depending of where the boat is, competent help is sometimes difficult to find or parts are more or less expensive. While in Spain in 2006, I found that Transatlantic Diesel in the US offered the best price for spare pumps for my Perkins main engine and this included transportation fee by Fed Ex. However the Fed Ex delivery person did not find the boat in the marina where I had been for 3 months and simply returned the parts to the US, charging return fee to the sender. I had to repay again twice the transportation fee to get the parts that I had already paid... the cost for the parts became horrendous! This year I have to replace the Onan Genset as well as most of my standing rigging. As an experienced sailor I have assured that the rigging has been closely inspected and replaced where it was needed. However the surveyor and a professional rigger refuse to give any certification for rigging 10 year old or more, and the insurer which accept coverage for my boat in Martinique during hurricane season refuses to cover the boat unless the rigging is changed by one that can be certified. On the other hand the experienced rigger consulted advised me that the Nirvana (Swiss) rigging used on my boat is the best - but Nirvana engraved a serial no and the date of manufacture on every part... Meanwhile, it is not uncommon for riggers in the Caribeans to use cheap China made parts and wire to replace riggings... I have owned saiboats for the last 45 years, sailed a bit and, in my opinion, Amel boats have a lower maintenance cost than comparable vessels with similar equipment. The hull, the rigging, the main engine, the liquid circuits, the electrical wiring and electronic components are not only first quality from the outset, but usually the installation is sturdy and practical. On the other hand, if the request by Alexandre is made because he fears maintenance fees are a serious concern. I would suggest that he should then be concerned by the size of the model of Amel chosen and the level of sophistication of the boat. SM or Mango and Maramu were built as reliable world cruisers handled by a couple of young retiree. For most sailors, the boat builders industrie has determined that the boat will sail about 15 days per year... and after docking my boat in le Vieux Port of Marseille for 2 months, I beleive that 15 days of sailing is highly exagerated for local boatowner. So if maintenance costs are an issue, a owner should first be determining what is his intended use of the boat. My Mango has more than 220gal of fuel capacity in two reservoirs. This is not only useless for sunday sailors but also for those who can access fuel on a days' notice, it is however most conforting in ocean crossings and South Pacific island cuising. Finally, with due respect for Alexandre to whom this comment is not directed, one could recall the harsh comment made by a Rolls Royce car saleman who was asked about the fuel cost for the car by a prospective client: Its too expensive for you! Serge, V\ Opera Mango#51 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Dear Kent, thank you very much for the detailed list, very interesting especially for the propeller. I really appreciate your feedback.
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From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 7:54 PM Hey, Alex. Was aware of a few things, not most of it. Things quit working one at a time over the last two years. Big ticket items were: New set of sails, replacing standing rigging, new SSB antenna, lots of $ trying to figure out why I couldn't get appropriate rpms...turned out to be overpropped by Amel, but took a lot of time and several mechanics to convince me that there wasn't a problem with the engine since it was original prop sold with boat (Amel still says it's the right prop although Autoprop says it was the prop they recommended for my boat with a 100HP Yanmar, mine's a 78HP Volvo)...new furling and outhaul motors and gear boxes for the main (poorly maintained from the start I think), one of the three refrigerators needed new motor and compressor, new canvas for cockpit enclosure and awning, new VHF radio with AIS, The Cap'n navigation software, new fire suppression system with automatic shutoff/manual override for engine and generator, stripped gears in the mizzen furler...I'm working off the top of my head and am sure I've missed a few items. Now new water heater and bilge pump. I've done some of it myself, but the majority of it done by boatyards since I'm still working and the boat's a 6 hr drive from where I live (in the foothills far from salt water). It is true that the boat is 11 years old and many of the problems are expected after that long. Once I can get retired completely and live aboard, I will be able to do much if not most of it myself now that I've been able to learn from what's been done. I wouldn't expect anywhere near this much expense now that most of the major items have been replaced or overhauled. Dual drive autopilot is working fine but I'd expect that will be a big ticket item before too long. I've read that when you buy a boat that's in the kind of shape KRISTY was in when I bought her (virtually everything worked at the survey) you should expect to spend another 15-20% of the purchase price on getting it ship-shape and the way you want it. I've spent over 25% so far, not counting regular maintenance, dockage/storage, etc. Again, if your boat is close enough to you and you have the time to work on it yourself, you will save at least half of what you'd spend having a yard do the work. Good luck and let us know what you decide to do. Kent SM243 KRISTY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re : [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost
Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
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Maintenance cost vary from year to year but 10% of the value does represent a fair amount for my 1985 Mango. I do a lot of the work, but depending of where the boat is, competent help is sometimes difficult to find or parts are more or less expensive. While in Spain in 2006, I found that Transatlantic Diesel in the US offered the best price for spare pumps for my Perkins main engine and this included transportation fee by Fed Ex. However the Fed Ex delivery person did not find the boat in the marina where I had been for 3 months and simply returned the parts to the US, charging return fee to the sender. I had to repay again twice the transportation fee to get the parts that I had already paid... the cost for the parts became horrendous! This year I have to replace the Onan Genset as well as most of my standing rigging. As an experienced sailor I have assured that the rigging has been closely inspected and replaced where it was needed. However the surveyor and a professional rigger refuse to give any certification for rigging 10 year old or more, and the insurer which accept coverage for my boat in Martinique during hurricane season refuses to cover the boat unless the rigging is changed by one that can be certified. On the other hand the experienced rigger consulted advised me that the Nirvana (Swiss) rigging used on my boat is the best - but Nirvana engraved a serial no and the date of manufacture on every part... Meanwhile, it is not uncommon for riggers in the Caribeans to use cheap China made parts and wire to replace riggings... I have owned saiboats for the last 45 years, sailed a bit and, in my opinion, Amel boats have a lower maintenance cost than comparable vessels with similar equipment. The hull, the rigging, the main engine, the liquid circuits, the electrical wiring and electronic components are not only first quality from the outset, but usually the installation is sturdy and practical. On the other hand, if the request by Alexandre is made because he fears maintenance fees are a serious concern. I would suggest that he should then be concerned by the size of the model of Amel chosen and the level of sophistication of the boat. SM or Mango and Maramu were built as reliable world cruisers handled by a couple of young retiree. For most sailors, the boat builders industrie has determined that the boat will sail about 15 days per year... and after docking my boat in le Vieux Port of Marseille for 2 months, I beleive that 15 days of sailing is highly exagerated for local boatowner. So if maintenance costs are an issue, a owner should first be determining what is his intended use of the boat. My Mango has more than 220gal of fuel capacity in two reservoirs. This is not only useless for sunday sailors but also for those who can access fuel on a days' notice, it is however most conforting in ocean crossings and South Pacific island cuising. Finally, with due respect for Alexandre to whom this comment is not directed, one could recall the harsh comment made by a Rolls Royce car saleman who was asked about the fuel cost for the car by a prospective client: Its too expensive for you! Serge, V\ Opera Mango#51 |
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Hey, Alex. Was aware of a few things, not most of it. Things quit working one at a time over the last two years. Big ticket items were: New set of sails, replacing standing rigging, new SSB antenna, lots of $ trying to figure out why I couldn't get appropriate rpms...turned out to be overpropped by Amel, but took a lot of time and several mechanics to convince me that there wasn't a problem with the engine since it was original prop sold with boat (Amel still says it's the right prop although Autoprop says it was the prop they recommended for my boat with a 100HP Yanmar, mine's a 78HP Volvo)...new furling and outhaul motors and gear boxes for the main (poorly maintained from the start I think), one of the three refrigerators needed new motor and compressor, new canvas for cockpit enclosure and awning, new VHF radio with AIS, The Cap'n navigation software, new fire suppression system with automatic shutoff/manual override for engine and
generator, stripped gears in the mizzen furler...I'm working off the top of my head and am sure I've missed a few items. Now new water heater and bilge pump. I've done some of it myself, but the majority of it done by boatyards since I'm still working and the boat's a 6 hr drive from where I live (in the foothills far from salt water). It is true that the boat is 11 years old and many of the problems are expected after that long. Once I can get retired completely and live aboard, I will be able to do much if not most of it myself now that I've been able to learn from what's been done. I wouldn't expect anywhere near this much expense now that most of the major items have been replaced or overhauled. Dual drive autopilot is working fine but I'd expect that will be a big ticket item before too long. I've read that when you buy a boat that's in the kind of shape KRISTY was in when I bought her (virtually everything worked at the survey) you should expect to spend another 15-20% of the purchase price on getting it ship-shape and the way you want it. I've spent over 25% so far, not counting regular maintenance, dockage/storage, etc. Again, if your boat is close enough to you and you have the time to work on it yourself, you will save at least half of what you'd spend having a yard do the work. Good luck and let us know what you decide to do. Kent SM243 KRISTY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Dear Mike & Chris, thanks for your reply. What should be considered “older” boats: 15 years? 20 years? 25 years? I was also told 10% per year of the vessel value but saw 3500 € ($4,900) per year which seem low… Kent spent $60,000 over the last 2 years, which is about 10% of the estimated ($350,000) price for a SM.
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Do you happen to remember how much it cost to change the standing rigging on your Santorin? Thanks again for your help, sincerely, Alexandre --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:
From: Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> Subject: Re: SV: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 5:26 PM Alexandre, (and others),, As a young man, (a long time ago) I was told the "rule of thumb" for maintenance costs was between 5-8% of capital cost should be budgeted for maintenance. This rises to 10% for an "older" boat. It also, to a certain extent depends on where you are. In some parts of the world there is still a "repair" culture as opposed to a "replace" one. An example; We are having a local upholsterer make a new foam bumper for our Santorin - the last one from Amel was expensive, (cost plus freight plus duty) and had different bolt placements. This works fairly well, but it is never exact - standing rigging should be replaced about every 10 years or so, as should life rafts, (insurance companies are now checking this), and this creates a huge "blip" in the maintenance costs. So some years you have a very small expenditure, and other years make your eyes water! I consider Marina fees as running costs, as they depend on where you are, and yes, the more you can do yourself the cheaper it is, as well as being immensly satisfying!! Mike & Chris Santorin 27 Akwaaba --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote: From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> Subject: Re: SV: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 11:02 PM Thank you very much Lars, I really appreciate your help (and the good news). I really like the Santorin, but none available in the US now... I speak French (I am Swiss), but have been living in the US for 17 years... Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...> wrote: From: Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...> Subject: SV: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:31 PM I own a 1993 Santorin and besides replacing old electronics with new systems my regular upkeep costs are low. There has been very few issues – only things like a leaking fuel line and seawater leaking from the water pump. But lying in Tunisia make repairs cheap and almost any part is readily available – if you know the right people and speak some French. So my costs are about Euro 2.800 for the berth per year plus insurance which is another Euro 1.600 / year. Plus fuel and minor repairs now and then. /lars, Denmark Salvagny, Santorin #79 Fra: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] På vegne af Alexandre Uster von Baar Sendt: 16. november 2010 22:17 Til: amelyachtowners@... Emne: Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost Thank you for your reply Kent, so $60,000 on 2 years. Were you aware of the repair needed when you purchased her? Do you do the work yourself? Thanks for your time, Alexandre --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kent Robertson <karkauai@... <mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com> > wrote: From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@... <mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:02 PM My SM is 11 yrs old now and after two years of trying to get her in ship-shape, I'm finding it's still costing me a lot more than I anticipated. I keep thinking that I'll have most of the major stuff done and then something else breaks down...water heater and bilge pump the latest two on the list. I can tell you that if you have time and skill enough to do most of the work yourself, it will cost you less than half of what it costs to have someone else to do the work. So far I've spent over $60,000 US upgrading, replacing, repairing, etc. I want to add davits and redo the interior upholstery which will add another $10K or so. After that I'm hoping it will be mostly maintenance and not so much major replacement/repair. Can't guess what my yearly costs might be but so far it's over twice what I expected at this point. But she's ready to go anywhere now, and it's all worth it...just may never get to retire fully, eh? Steady as she goes. Kent S/V KRISTY SM243 --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > wrote: From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > Subject: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 2:10 PM I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Alexandre [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost
Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
Alexandre, (and others),,
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As a young man, (a long time ago) I was told the "rule of thumb" for maintenance costs was between 5-8% of capital cost should be budgeted for maintenance. This rises to 10% for an "older" boat. It also, to a certain extent depends on where you are. In some parts of the world there is still a "repair" culture as opposed to a "replace" one. An example; We are having a local upholsterer make a new foam bumper for our Santorin - the last one from Amel was expensive, (cost plus freight plus duty) and had different bolt placements. This works fairly well, but it is never exact - standing rigging should be replaced about every 10 years or so, as should life rafts, (insurance companies are now checking this), and this creates a huge "blip" in the maintenance costs. So some years you have a very small expenditure, and other years make your eyes water! I consider Marina fees as running costs, as they depend on where you are, and yes, the more you can do yourself the cheaper it is, as well as being immensly satisfying!! Mike & Chris Santorin 27 Akwaaba --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> Subject: Re: SV: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 11:02 PM Thank you very much Lars, I really appreciate your help (and the good news). I really like the Santorin, but none available in the US now... I speak French (I am Swiss), but have been living in the US for 17 years... Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...> wrote: From: Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...> Subject: SV: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:31 PM I own a 1993 Santorin and besides replacing old electronics with new systems my regular upkeep costs are low. There has been very few issues – only things like a leaking fuel line and seawater leaking from the water pump. But lying in Tunisia make repairs cheap and almost any part is readily available – if you know the right people and speak some French. So my costs are about Euro 2.800 for the berth per year plus insurance which is another Euro 1.600 / year. Plus fuel and minor repairs now and then. /lars, Denmark Salvagny, Santorin #79 Fra: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] På vegne af Alexandre Uster von Baar Sendt: 16. november 2010 22:17 Til: amelyachtowners@... Emne: Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost Thank you for your reply Kent, so $60,000 on 2 years. Were you aware of the repair needed when you purchased her? Do you do the work yourself? Thanks for your time, Alexandre --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kent Robertson <karkauai@... <mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com> > wrote: From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@... <mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:02 PM My SM is 11 yrs old now and after two years of trying to get her in ship-shape, I'm finding it's still costing me a lot more than I anticipated. I keep thinking that I'll have most of the major stuff done and then something else breaks down...water heater and bilge pump the latest two on the list. I can tell you that if you have time and skill enough to do most of the work yourself, it will cost you less than half of what it costs to have someone else to do the work. So far I've spent over $60,000 US upgrading, replacing, repairing, etc. I want to add davits and redo the interior upholstery which will add another $10K or so. After that I'm hoping it will be mostly maintenance and not so much major replacement/repair. Can't guess what my yearly costs might be but so far it's over twice what I expected at this point. But she's ready to go anywhere now, and it's all worth it...just may never get to retire fully, eh? Steady as she goes. Kent S/V KRISTY SM243 --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > wrote: From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > Subject: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 2:10 PM I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Alexandre [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Alexandre Uster von Baar
Thank you very much Lars, I really appreciate your help (and the good news).
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I really like the Santorin, but none available in the US now... I speak French (I am Swiss), but have been living in the US for 17 years... Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...> wrote:
From: Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...> Subject: SV: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:31 PM I own a 1993 Santorin and besides replacing old electronics with new systems my regular upkeep costs are low. There has been very few issues – only things like a leaking fuel line and seawater leaking from the water pump. But lying in Tunisia make repairs cheap and almost any part is readily available – if you know the right people and speak some French. So my costs are about Euro 2.800 for the berth per year plus insurance which is another Euro 1.600 / year. Plus fuel and minor repairs now and then. /lars, Denmark Salvagny, Santorin #79 Fra: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] På vegne af Alexandre Uster von Baar Sendt: 16. november 2010 22:17 Til: amelyachtowners@... Emne: Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost Thank you for your reply Kent, so $60,000 on 2 years. Were you aware of the repair needed when you purchased her? Do you do the work yourself? Thanks for your time, Alexandre --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kent Robertson <karkauai@... <mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com> > wrote: From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@... <mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:02 PM My SM is 11 yrs old now and after two years of trying to get her in ship-shape, I'm finding it's still costing me a lot more than I anticipated. I keep thinking that I'll have most of the major stuff done and then something else breaks down...water heater and bilge pump the latest two on the list. I can tell you that if you have time and skill enough to do most of the work yourself, it will cost you less than half of what it costs to have someone else to do the work. So far I've spent over $60,000 US upgrading, replacing, repairing, etc. I want to add davits and redo the interior upholstery which will add another $10K or so. After that I'm hoping it will be mostly maintenance and not so much major replacement/repair. Can't guess what my yearly costs might be but so far it's over twice what I expected at this point. But she's ready to go anywhere now, and it's all worth it...just may never get to retire fully, eh? Steady as she goes. Kent S/V KRISTY SM243 --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > wrote: From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > Subject: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 2:10 PM I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Alexandre [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...>
I own a 1993 Santorin and besides replacing old electronics with new systems my regular upkeep costs are low.
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There has been very few issues – only things like a leaking fuel line and seawater leaking from the water pump. But lying in Tunisia make repairs cheap and almost any part is readily available – if you know the right people and speak some French. So my costs are about Euro 2.800 for the berth per year plus insurance which is another Euro 1.600 / year. Plus fuel and minor repairs now and then. /lars, Denmark Salvagny, Santorin #79 Fra: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] På vegne af Alexandre Uster von Baar Sendt: 16. november 2010 22:17 Til: amelyachtowners@... Emne: Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost Thank you for your reply Kent, so $60,000 on 2 years. Were you aware of the repair needed when you purchased her? Do you do the work yourself? Thanks for your time, Alexandre --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kent Robertson <karkauai@... <mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@... <mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:02 PM My SM is 11 yrs old now and after two years of trying to get her in ship-shape, I'm finding it's still costing me a lot more than I anticipated. I keep thinking that I'll have most of the major stuff done and then something else breaks down...water heater and bilge pump the latest two on the list. I can tell you that if you have time and skill enough to do most of the work yourself, it will cost you less than half of what it costs to have someone else to do the work. So far I've spent over $60,000 US upgrading, replacing, repairing, etc. I want to add davits and redo the interior upholstery which will add another $10K or so. After that I'm hoping it will be mostly maintenance and not so much major replacement/repair. Can't guess what my yearly costs might be but so far it's over twice what I expected at this point. But she's ready to go anywhere now, and it's all worth it...just may never get to retire fully, eh? Steady as she goes. Kent S/V KRISTY SM243 --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > wrote: From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > Subject: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 2:10 PM I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Alexandre [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Thank you for your reply Kent, so $60,000 on 2 years. Were you aware of the repair needed when you purchased her? Do you do the work yourself? Thanks for your time, Alexandre
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--- On Tue, 11/16/10, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:02 PM My SM is 11 yrs old now and after two years of trying to get her in ship-shape, I'm finding it's still costing me a lot more than I anticipated. I keep thinking that I'll have most of the major stuff done and then something else breaks down...water heater and bilge pump the latest two on the list. I can tell you that if you have time and skill enough to do most of the work yourself, it will cost you less than half of what it costs to have someone else to do the work. So far I've spent over $60,000 US upgrading, replacing, repairing, etc. I want to add davits and redo the interior upholstery which will add another $10K or so. After that I'm hoping it will be mostly maintenance and not so much major replacement/repair. Can't guess what my yearly costs might be but so far it's over twice what I expected at this point. But she's ready to go anywhere now, and it's all worth it...just may never get to retire fully, eh? Steady as she goes. Kent S/V KRISTY SM243 --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote: From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> Subject: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 2:10 PM I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Alexandre [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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My SM is 11 yrs old now and after two years of trying to get her in ship-shape, I'm finding it's still costing me a lot more than I anticipated. I keep thinking that I'll have most of the major stuff done and then something else breaks down...water heater and bilge pump the latest two on the list. I can tell you that if you have time and skill enough to do most of the work yourself, it will cost you less than half of what it costs to have someone else to do the work. So far I've spent over $60,000 US upgrading, replacing, repairing, etc. I want to add davits and redo the interior upholstery which will add another $10K or so. After that I'm hoping it will be mostly maintenance and not so much major replacement/repair. Can't guess what my yearly costs might be but so far it's over twice what I expected at this point. But she's ready to go anywhere now, and it's all worth it...just may never get to retire fully, eh?
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Steady as she goes. Kent S/V KRISTY SM243 --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> Subject: [Amel] Amel yearly upkeep cost To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 2:10 PM I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Alexandre |
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Re: [Amel] Maramu stuffing box issue
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
You have a double nut on your stuffing box. If you tighten it you break lose the inner lock nut tighten the outer nut either with a special large jaw adj wrench from some place like Defender or West the tighten the lock nut. Even though you have a grease fitting to lube the shaft from time to time you have to replace the packing. It's an easy job done when hauled out or a very flat day with a good pump handy.
Good luck Richard Piller sm 209 For Sale
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Amel yearly upkeep cost
Alexandre Uster von Baar
I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc.
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Re: [Amel] Maramu stuffing box issue
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thganks Eric, yes the same.
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regards Danny --- On Wed, 17/11/10, kimberlite@... <kimberlite@...> wrote:
From: kimberlite@... <kimberlite@...> Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu stuffing box issue To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, 17, November, 2010, 5:36 AM hi, i call it a sail drive--it is probably the same unit you have on your boat. The engine is mounted facing aft and after the transmision ther is a gearbox that sends the power down a shaft to the aft of the keel and then another gearbox- a 6-10 inch shaft for the prop and line cutter. Eric Sm 376 kimberlite ----- Original Message ----- From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:13 am Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu stuffing box issue To: amelyachtowners@... Hi Eric, has your boat had the Amel drive replaced with a sail[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Suggestion on Posting Hygiene
When we respond to a posting, it would be really great if we could all delete the original messages. Just highlight everything below your reply and hit your "delete" key.
After a few replies these posts are simply getting too long to browse through - espcially for those of us who like to get them via the email digests that have the full text. Cheers, Craig Briggs on s/v Sangaris, Santorin #68 |
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Re: [Amel] Maramu stuffing box issue
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hi,
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i call it a sail drive--it is probably the same unit you have on your boat. The engine is mounted facing aft and after the transmision ther is a gearbox that sends the power down a shaft to the aft of the keel and then another gearbox- a 6-10 inch shaft for the prop and line cutter. Eric Sm 376 kimberlite ----- Original Message -----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:13 am Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu stuffing box issue To: amelyachtowners@... Hi Eric, has your boat had the Amel drive replaced with a sail |
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R: Re: [Amel] anchor pulley - Santorin
ornella.battaglini@libero.it <ornella.battaglini@...>
Thank you Mike,
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that sounds like a not easy job, but I'll try. Ornella Santorin (ketch) 122 Earendil in Ancona (Italy) ----Messaggio originale---- Da: yachtakwaaba@... Data: 11/11/2010 15.38 A: <amelyachtowners@...> Ogg: Re: [Amel] anchor pulley - Santorin Ornella, From memory, you have to drill out the welded stainless end cap and then slide out the pin. I'm out of the water at the moment so I'll check tomorrow. Mike. Santorin (sloop) Akwaaba --- On Wed, 11/3/10, ornella.battaglini@... <ornella.battaglini@...> wrote:
From: ornella.battaglini@... <ornella.battaglini@...> Subject: [Amel] anchor pulley To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 5:07 PM Hi all, I need to replace the anchor's pulley on the bow of the Santorin: how can I remove the pivot of the pulley? 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genoa and main sheets
Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
Eric,
We replaced our genoa and main sheets with spectra or dyneema (can't remember which) about five years ago using a smaller diameter because the originals, especially the main sheet, were on the too thick side for the self tailers and the replacements are much stronger. They still in perfect condition. Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM 319 |
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Re: [Amel] Genoa sheet super maramu
Malcolm Phillips <MPhillips@...>
Eric, I replaced my genoa sheet in Crete a year ago with a
new ( I think called dyneema ) sheet by Liros or Marlow. Very soft off load and rock hard under load, this sheet handles almost double the load of my polyester sheet supplied with the boat by Amel. It is expensive but I strongly recommend it. Malcolm. S/M 464 Bon Jovi From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of kimberlite@... Sent: 16 November 2010 03:27 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel] Genoa sheet super maramu We are here in St Martin, We need to replace our genoa sheet. Amel says it is 16 mm 42 meters long and polyester. What rope have you used to replace this sheet. There are many styles pf polyester rope. marlow, glistein, new england ropes are available. The existing sheet has a very small black core of an unknown material. Fair winds. eric sm 376 kimberlite Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net |
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