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Re: Ocean Hobo Santorin 96
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This posting assumes that the list to port is static (at rest) as well as moving. I own a 93 Santorin and my experience is that there can be a tendency to list to port but that it can be overcome. I believe that the reasons that it can list to port are the following--heavy house batteries, oven/stove, pantry, Espar?,both heads, refrigerator+contents are all on the port side. Also, if you have a heavy life raft and filled jerry cans in the port life raft locker, that can add significant weight on that side. In addition, if you use large amounts of diesel in your tank, you lose weight (up to 800 lbs) on the starboard side. The rear lazarette is not a great place to try to trim the list of the boat because it significantly tapers inboard, providing less leverage on the roll axis--in any case the bow and stern are not a great place to have any heavy items because they increase forces on the pitch access. I solved my boat's issue--COMPLETELY-- by putting heavy engine spares etc. in the storage below the starboard pilot berth --this is the widest part of the boat. I also keep heavy tools below my nav station area. In addition, heavier food items, etc IF you have them in the lockers below the salon windows can be shifted to the starboard size. Finally, heavy canned goods and beer, etc. could be stored in the bottom shelf of the passageway. Again, I have not had to resort to that, but I do not have full jerry cans in the life raft compartment. I just spent several weeks anchored with friends who have finished their circumnavigation in a (Garcia) sail boat with a Hydrovane which was very significantly offset and it worked without a hitch....used it virtually all the time and could not stop raving about it. Hope this helps. Bob and Suzanne Brittany de la Mer 1993 Santorin --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Ivan Campbell" <i-campbell@...> wrote:
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Ocean Hobo Santorin 96
Ivan Campbell <i-campbell@...>
Hi All
I seem to have a serious problem with the stability of my boat. I recently fitted a Hydrovane Self Steering gear through the bumper offset to the port side. My boat now has a list of about 5 degrees to port. When a heavy crew member stands on the starboard side in the opposing position it makes no difference. A friend and crew recently took the boat to Gran Canaria in preparation for the ARC. It was sailed with a lot of weight in the lazerette and the boat screwed to windward in force7 so much that it broached several times. They are experienced sailors and assure me the sails were well balanced. They did not use the wind vane. On arrival in port they moved all the weight from the lazarette and distributed it on the port side but the boat still has a 3 degree list to port. Any answers to this . The ARC starts in 3 weeks. Ivan Campbell Ocean Hobo |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Like to purchase in US, sail back to Australia
Robert Krieg <ketch_scooter@...>
Stefan,
My Amel Maramu 48 is being listed with Jordan Yacht and Ship Co. See jordanyachts.com. It is located in Ft Lauderdale FL. This yacht has been sailed around the planet twice and I sailed the Great Barrier Reef from Carins to Darwin having a wonderful experience all the way. It has many upgrades for ease of sailing , living aboard at sea and safe navigation as you can see from the listing. Lately, I purchased a complete engine overhaul kit in that the parts are becoming difficult to find. It is only 1200+/- miles from Ft Lauderdale to the Panama Canal and the Canal processing number is on board making for an easy registration. See many videos on youtube, key in AMEL MARAMU KETCH. Captain Robert Krieg S/V Scooter ________________________________ From: stefan huber <kalimentes@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Sun, October 24, 2010 11:19:52 AM Subject: AW: [Amel] Re: Like to purchase in US, sail back to Australia ________________________________ Von: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...> An: amelyachtowners@... Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 20. Oktober 2010, 1:04:19 Uhr Betreff: [Amel] Re: Like to purchase in US, sail back to Australia Jim, The Amel Owners Group Moderator asked me to again try to post my original reply to your Topic...the following is the message that I had to send to you privately because of some issues with the Amel Owners Group. I apologize for the duplicity of these postings, but it is of no fault of mine....... Your best bet is to contact Joel Potter, Amel's rep for the Americas.. 1. He sold all of the Amels in the Americas at least the first time when they were new as he is the sole rep for the Americas. 2. He will not sell a used Amel that has been abused. I personally know of a boat that he refused to sell. 3. He knows of Amels that are not yet "officially" listed for sale because many of us who may be considering a future sale of our boat trust Joel to have a "what if" conversation with him. You should trust him for your search. Judy and I have sailed BeBe, #387, from the Caribbean across the Pacific to many destinations including your home and from there through Indonesia to northern Malaysia, where we are now. If we can be any help to you, we would be pleased to assist. We will be sailing BeBe from Phuket to India, to the Red Sea, and into the Med leaving sometime in Dec/Jan...keep us posted of your progress. Here is Joel's contact information: Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 Phone: (954) 462-5869 Email: jfpottercys@... Best, Bill s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387 Currently Langkawi, Malaysia Blog http://www.svbebe.com --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Jim Koulias" <jk@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Like to purchase in US, sail back to Australia
stefan huber <kalimentes@...>
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Von: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...> An: amelyachtowners@... Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 20. Oktober 2010, 1:04:19 Uhr Betreff: [Amel] Re: Like to purchase in US, sail back to Australia Jim, The Amel Owners Group Moderator asked me to again try to post my original reply to your Topic...the following is the message that I had to send to you privately because of some issues with the Amel Owners Group. I apologize for the duplicity of these postings, but it is of no fault of mine....... Your best bet is to contact Joel Potter, Amel's rep for the Americas.. 1. He sold all of the Amels in the Americas at least the first time when they were new as he is the sole rep for the Americas. 2. He will not sell a used Amel that has been abused. I personally know of a boat that he refused to sell. 3. He knows of Amels that are not yet "officially" listed for sale because many of us who may be considering a future sale of our boat trust Joel to have a "what if" conversation with him. You should trust him for your search. Judy and I have sailed BeBe, #387, from the Caribbean across the Pacific to many destinations including your home and from there through Indonesia to northern Malaysia, where we are now. If we can be any help to you, we would be pleased to assist. We will be sailing BeBe from Phuket to India, to the Red Sea, and into the Med leaving sometime in Dec/Jan...keep us posted of your progress. Here is Joel's contact information: Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 Phone: (954) 462-5869 Email: jfpottercys@... Best, Bill s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387 Currently Langkawi, Malaysia Blog http://www.svbebe.com --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Jim Koulias" <jk@...> wrote:
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Like to purchase Amel Maramu 45-46
yossi_kl
Well maintained inside,outside,engine,hull ext. and very good equipped for sea going .
I have a budget for purchasing a boat and can offer 75.000$ (USD). Thanks a lot Yossi |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Downwind Sailing
Thanks to you too, Gary. I guess my eye fooled me when I set the pole the first few times. On reflection, I guess that the downward angle of the pole makes sense because of the upward pull of the sail, eh?
OK, gentlemen, one less thing to scratch my head about. Kent SV KRISTY SM243 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Downwind Sailing
Thanks, Bill,
Exactly what I needed to know. Kent |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Downwind Sailing
Conn Williamson <connwilliamson@...>
hi all, have you seen this photo of downwind pole to pole.
________________________________ From: sv Sangaris <sangaris@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Sun, October 24, 2010 7:51:17 AM Subject: [Amel] Re: Downwind Sailing Hi Kent, The Jockey Poles most definitely should not be parallel to the water. If you look closely at the stubby cylindrical socket with the retaining pin that's welded onto the mast and into which your jockey pole goes, you'll see that it is angled slightly downward. The Jockey Pole must be aligned with that socket and, therefore, will take that same slight downward angle from the mast to the "boomerang" (which seems a good name for the support rail and ring assembly clamped to the shrouds). You can easily visually judge when the Jockey Pole is "square" with the socket (not the mast) and that defines the right height that the "boomerang" needs to be. The Jockey Pole most definitely won't be "parallel to the water line" nor "straight out from the mast" - it will be perfectly in-line with it's socket and, thus, will angle slightly down as it goes out to the shrouds. The "boomerang" should fit nicely at this height - whack it around a bit with your fist at the front and back until it "settles in". The upper shroud and the intermediate may have to be spread apart just a bit to get the "U" bolts on (you should tension the rig before clamping down the "Boomerang"). Cheers, Craig Briggs, s/v Sangaris in Greece, Santorin #68 --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Downwind Sailing
Robert Krieg <ketch_scooter@...>
I own a 1984 Marmau pre in mast roller furling and pre genoa electric roller
furling with all halyards exposed for inspection. This yacht has gone around the planet twice the latest being documented by hi def video. You can see a few clips on youtube by keying AMEL MARAMU KETCH. Good on you mate. Captain Bob Y/V Scooter ________________________________ From: sv Sangaris <sangaris@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 4:51:17 PM Subject: [Amel] Re: Downwind Sailing Hi Kent, The Jockey Poles most definitely should not be parallel to the water. If you look closely at the stubby cylindrical socket with the retaining pin that's welded onto the mast and into which your jockey pole goes, you'll see that it is angled slightly downward. The Jockey Pole must be aligned with that socket and, therefore, will take that same slight downward angle from the mast to the "boomerang" (which seems a good name for the support rail and ring assembly clamped to the shrouds). You can easily visually judge when the Jockey Pole is "square" with the socket (not the mast) and that defines the right height that the "boomerang" needs to be. The Jockey Pole most definitely won't be "parallel to the water line" nor "straight out from the mast" - it will be perfectly in-line with it's socket and, thus, will angle slightly down as it goes out to the shrouds. The "boomerang" should fit nicely at this height - whack it around a bit with your fist at the front and back until it "settles in". The upper shroud and the intermediate may have to be spread apart just a bit to get the "U" bolts on (you should tension the rig before clamping down the "Boomerang"). Cheers, Craig Briggs, s/v Sangaris in Greece, Santorin #68 --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: Downwind Sailing
Hi Kent,
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The Jockey Poles most definitely should not be parallel to the water. If you look closely at the stubby cylindrical socket with the retaining pin that's welded onto the mast and into which your jockey pole goes, you'll see that it is angled slightly downward. The Jockey Pole must be aligned with that socket and, therefore, will take that same slight downward angle from the mast to the "boomerang" (which seems a good name for the support rail and ring assembly clamped to the shrouds). You can easily visually judge when the Jockey Pole is "square" with the socket (not the mast) and that defines the right height that the "boomerang" needs to be. The Jockey Pole most definitely won't be "parallel to the water line" nor "straight out from the mast" - it will be perfectly in-line with it's socket and, thus, will angle slightly down as it goes out to the shrouds. The "boomerang" should fit nicely at this height - whack it around a bit with your fist at the front and back until it "settles in". The upper shroud and the intermediate may have to be spread apart just a bit to get the "U" bolts on (you should tension the rig before clamping down the "Boomerang"). Cheers, Craig Briggs, s/v Sangaris in Greece, Santorin #68 --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Autohelm 7000 problems
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
I encountered a similar problem with my Raymarine/ Autohelm autopilot.
I believe I had the first model 400 course compute installed in Kimberlite. Prior to they installed the model 300 course computer it is black with cooling fins. The 400 is larger and made of grey plastic. When I took the boat initially from the factory I sailed to Guernsey, one day we turned on the power and all the instruments went out. Being familiar wit Raymarine instruments I removed everyone from the circuit and it still did not work. I finally came across a white small box to the port of the course computer with Raymarine wires running into it. Knowing Raymarine equipment I knew it was not from them. I opened it up and found four sea talk cables connected to a circuit board just floating loose in the box. I was able to sail back to LaRochelle and spoke to Pouchon who installed the instruments. They said it was a Raymarine instrument problem. When I returned to the USA I wrote Raymarine and asked what was the box that Pouchon had installed. It seems that when the instruments are turned off on the 300 course computer the autopilot fails. I told them that I had the 400 autopilot and they said that the "Pouchon box" was not necessary since they fixed the problem with the 400 series computers. When I returned to La Rochelle Pouchon finally admitted that their box was defective and they changed it out. I said it is not necessary please remove it. They said it was very complicated to do and when I got to Lisbon they would have their tech remove it. I asked for a schematic diagram, however they refused. When the tech arrived at the boat in Lisbon I saw the fax from pouchon giving directions on how to remove the box. Basically you just cut the circuit board loose. Then you connect all the red wires together, all the black wires together, and all the yellow wires together. Obviously they were just being difficult at Pouchon. The moral is that if you have the model 300 black course computer your problems might be with the Pouchon box, it is very poorly built. If you have a model 400 or newer model the pouchon box is just an accident waiting to happen, just remove it. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Anne and John Hollamby Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:47 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel] Autohelm 7000 problems Autohelm has or had agents in Oz and NZ. I had a problem with mine getting messages on the control head saying something like No Power so far as I can remember. The problem was the build up of carbon dust in the casing of the actuator motor. It is quite easy to open this up to check it if it has covered long distances but if I recall correctly it was neccessary to use bits of cotton to keep the brushes in place during reassembly. Regards, Anne and John, SM319, Bali Hai |
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Re: Downwind Sailing
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
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We have always called this support the "boomerang". I have never paid much attention to this angle before but I have a photo that I will post that is taken from dead ahead of my boat and I can see from that photo that the boomerang is about 6 inches lower (estimating) than the receptacle on the mast. I will post the photo in "Rigging Super Maramu" Gary Amel SM #335 --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: Downwind Sailing
Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
Kent,
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Regarding the shroud support ring that the short pole goes through in the rigging, the center of this ring is about 77" from the top of the rail. The rigging has not been removed on BeBe. Yes, the short pole is slightly lower at the shroud side than the mast side (didn't measure). Hope this helps. Bill s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387 Currently Malasia/Thailand area Blog: http://www.svbebe.com --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] how to fix play in rudderstock from amel kirk
amelforme
Where is the movement on the rudder shaft? Does the shaft move inside of the
fiberglass rudder? All the best, Joel F. Potter Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 Phone: (954) 462-5869 Email: jfpottercys@... |
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Re: Downwind Sailing
Dave_Benjamin
For deep downwind we often drop the main and just let the twins do their thing. We carry a roll of self adhesive insignia cloth so we can create sacrificial patches in the event we notice chafe in any of the sails. So far the biggest issue we have is the main has picked up some damage while flaked due to the non-skid on the top of the dodger.
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Re: Downwind Sailing
Hi, again, Amel brothers and sisters.
New ? about the downwind rig. After replacing my standing rigging I replaced the supports on the shrouds that support the jockey poles. When they seem to fit perfectly on the shrouds, the ring that the pole goes through looks too low by about 6 inches. If I raise the support (by the way, what do we call these supports?) enough to be straight out from the socket in the mast, it looks like it would pull the shrouds together. Does it give some or should I just try to raise it at the outer shrouds? I think I am right in assuming that the jockey pole should be parallel to the water line??? Thanks again in advance for your advice. Kent SM243 KRISTY |
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hatches All,
belitbh <belitbh@...>
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Autohelm 7000 problems
Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
Autohelm has or had agents in Oz and NZ. I had a problem with mine getting messages on the control head saying something like No Power so far as I can remember. The problem was the build up of carbon dust in the casing of the actuator motor. It is quite easy to open this up to check it if it has covered long distances but if I recall correctly it was neccessary to use bits of cotton to keep the brushes in place during reassembly.
Regards, Anne and John, SM319, Bali Hai |
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[Amel] Re: Autohelm ST7000 Autopilot
joseph mc donnell
Hi Bill
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We had problems with our 1992 unit 4 years ago and decided to send the control box to the manufacturer in england for service. It came back with an all clear and a note saying, that even though it was an old model, they could find anything wrong with it. We then had a look at the connection box attached to the autohelm control unit, we found that the circuit board inside, which connects the unit to the power supply, motor and compass,had developed hairline cracks in the thin metal circuit strips. This we belived caused the autohelm to occasionally switch itself off. We had an electronics geek repair the board and for 4 years now have had no problems. Worth a look. Regards Joe --- In amelyachtowners@..., David Mackintosh <sv.highland.fling@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Maramu engine replacement
bsarff@...
Thanks Joel (and everyone else who gave great advise and comments). I've heard that it's hard to beat Yanmar for service in even the most out of the way places. I'm still considering all the options but it's looking more like this is the way to go.
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Bob S/V Chara #173 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Potter" <jfpottercys@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Cc: "Joel Potter" <jfpottercys@...> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:09:00 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Maramu engine replacement I sold a boat built of steel in South Africa for a gent who installed this Cummins engine at original build. He put 4500 hours on it. He loved it. He did not love the service he got at anything other than first world countries so he carried a wealth of spares and since he had the spares, nothing much broke. It is fairly heavy and as I recall somewhat tall, but it could have been perspective lost in the tiny space he crammed it into. I think Yanmar is hard to beat as a replacement as the service one can expect is as good as anything my customers over the years have told me they expect to obtain. When Yanmar evolves a particular motor, they usually, key word usually, try not to orphan the previous examples. This saves the horrid but rewarding task of cross referencing components from other sources to make things work after being told, "no more of those parts left, buddy." That said, I recall when the other Japanese brands such as Sony and Toyota used to be bullet proof too. All the best, Joel F. Potter Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 Phone: (954) 462-5869 Email: jfpottercys@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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