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Re: Q sails unacceptable delay

Barry Connor
 

Hi All,

Just an update:
Very quick response from QSails.
Emrah at QSails just accepted my order condition. Super fast response.
He advised of many delays with supply and shipping company problems with sails going missing in shipping and having to file insurance claims.
Payment by my Visa credit card is a safe way to pay as if the supplier does not deliver you can claim a refund up to 6 months. 

Best Regards 

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Le Marin Marina 
Martinique 

On Sep 6, 2021, at 08:47, JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

Jose, I never ordered from them but what I can tell you is that the supply chain is a mess worldwide.

We own a marine business with a plant in Rhode Island. This summer, at the peak of the season we had to simply stop deliveries and we could not get raw materials anymore.

Our business is low tech, no chips, no fancy electronics. We need aluminum bars and plastic for the extrusion machines.

The suplly chain for plastics/fancy fibers (Polyant , Mylar, carbon fiberss) or other products is clogged. Add transportation logjam for containers. The only exception is air shipping. I assume than less travelers --> empty planes --> planes could be converted to cargo shipping. But for our business shipping by plane is prohibitive. I assume it would be the same for QSails to get rolls of cloths by plane would be too expensive.

I have been trying to buy a downwind SUP  paddle since February. One manufacturer has a plant in China, the other in Thailand. I simply can't get one.

Good luck. Hopefully they are upfront about their problems and can tell you whether it comes from them (everybody is buying boats and secondary homes) or from their suppliers.


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Q sails unacceptable delay

JB Duler
 

Jose, I never ordered from them but what I can tell you is that the supply chain is a mess worldwide.

We own a marine business with a plant in Rhode Island. This summer, at the peak of the season we had to simply stop deliveries and we could not get raw materials anymore.

Our business is low tech, no chips, no fancy electronics. We need aluminum bars and plastic for the extrusion machines.

The suplly chain for plastics/fancy fibers (Polyant , Mylar, carbon fiberss) or other products is clogged. Add transportation logjam for containers. The only exception is air shipping. I assume than less travelers --> empty planes --> planes could be converted to cargo shipping. But for our business shipping by plane is prohibitive. I assume it would be the same for QSails to get rolls of cloths by plane would be too expensive.

I have been trying to buy a downwind SUP  paddle since February. One manufacturer has a plant in China, the other in Thailand. I simply can't get one.

Good luck. Hopefully they are upfront about their problems and can tell you whether it comes from them (everybody is buying boats and secondary homes) or from their suppliers.


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Amel Mango Hull #14 - the engine room was not built to be watertight?!!?

Arlo Bess
 

I have been onboard 5 mangoes now inspecting them, and have lived aboard hull number 46 for 4 years now. The Mango was not built with a watertight engine room. Not a bad thing IMHO. The "rectangular holes" for the interconnect for the bilges both forward and aft at the bottom are factory designed and built by Amel. 


Re: Trouble-shooting MHU B&G213

Ian Park
 

I had a similar problem last year. New transducer. It turned out to be the screen display that was faulty. That was a Raymarine setup. The local agent lent me a working transducer with a short lead to plug into the display which proved which end was the problem.

Ian. ‘Ocean Hobo’ SN96 - Milford Haven


Re: Q sails unacceptable delay

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jose,

I just got an updated quotation 2 weeks ago for a new Genoa in Hydranet from Q Sails with a promised 3 week delivery by FedEx to Martinique. I could not get it in time from them when I crossed in late 2019.
I was going to pay upfront using my Visa Card when Bill advised to wait a few months as they were experiencing problems and had delays with shipping. 
I will contact them again now and confront them directly as I was believing them that they would deliver on time within the promised 3 weeks.
I might suggest to them a 50% deposit using my credit card with a guaranteed credit card refund if they miss the agreed shipping date.
I can afford to wait as we will not be sailing until next year as all the Caribbean Islands are very difficult with entry.
Thanks again Bill for your heads up.

Very Best 

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  #17
Le Marin Marina 
Martinique 


On Sep 6, 2021, at 07:23, Alexandre Uster von Baar via groups.io <uster@...> wrote:



Don’t be surprised if your post is removed to write negatively… 


Mine was a few months ago… while it was written in all fairness with documentation…

Still haven’t digest that one….

On Monday, September 6, 2021, 01:24:32 AM AST, Jose Alegria <josealegr@...> wrote:


Dear Amelians

Anyone know what's up with Q-sails.
I ordered a set of sails 3-4 months ago;  I made the full payment including shipping and I am 45 days past the deadline not having any concrete information about the arrival date of the sails
It is your experience too?

Thanks

Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037
Josealegr@...



Re: Persistent TMD22 overheating

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Pat, 

Useless to say I was more than upset…. That mechanic took me for a ride… 

Can’t say who it was since it is against forum policy…. 

I wish you luck….

On Sunday, September 5, 2021, 05:48:30 PM AST, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:


Alex, That sounds like money not well spent. In my case I had checked my engine many times with two different inferred guns and had temps well over 200 F., especially at higher rpms. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar via groups.io <uster@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 5, 2021 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Persistent TMD22 overheating

In 2015 I spent a fortune ($8000) to solve a false overheating…. 
Cleaned intercooler, rebuilt injectors, gage calibrated, etc.  
At the end, it was simply the wire from the engine to the gage which, with age, had higher resistance…. The mechanic never find the cause, I only found it, by putting a 2nd temperature gage…. 

Sincerely, Alexandre

On Sunday, September 5, 2021, 01:02:39 PM AST, Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas@...> wrote:


Pat,

Can you be more specific about the sleeve, or lack of, that caused the overheating of your Volvo TMD22?  Ipanema has persistent overheating at high RPM after cleaning with BB both heat exchangers and having ruled out most of the potential causes described by Bill Rouse on his manual that he recently posted and I am copying below.

BTW, I would add two more potential causes:
1) A small leak of air into the freshwater pathway upstream of the pump. This leak only shows as a small collection of salt around the hose connections when the engine is not running but is enough to allow entry of air that increases as the engine RMP increase.  A similar entry can occur through the seal of the seawater strainer cap.  The effect can be exaggerated by a minor restriction of the pathway upstream of the leak.  I recently fixed such a leak and the engine temperature came down (205 F) but I think it is still too high.

2) A calibration error on the temperature sensor/gauge system.  This gave me a difficult time a year ago as I was arriving in Curazao and was caused by corrosion of electrical connections.  
   
Quoted from Bill Rouse's Post:

Possible Causes of Overheating:

1. Restricted seawater flow anywhere in the pathway beginning with the seawater entry into the sea chest to the seawater and exhaust exit through the hull. 
a. Sea Chest restriction
b. Hose restriction or kink
c. Restriction at the input to the in-line transmission oil cooler, if equipped
d. Failing seawater pump and/or failing seawater impeller
e. Restricted Exhaust Elbow
2. Restricted Coolant water flow
a. Failing coolant water pump
b. Failing Pressure Cap (should be replaced every 2 years)
c. Failing and/or clogged Heat Exchanger
3. Incorrect coolant ratio, but this is usually not a major contributor but will contribute somewhat.
4. Incorrect V-Belt tensioning with the V-Belt turning the coolant water pump
5. Failing Coolant Thermostat (not opening completely)
6. Other engine issues"
 


Re: Q sails unacceptable delay

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Don’t be surprised if your post is removed to write negatively… 


Mine was a few months ago… while it was written in all fairness with documentation…

Still haven’t digest that one….

On Monday, September 6, 2021, 01:24:32 AM AST, Jose Alegria <josealegr@...> wrote:


Dear Amelians

Anyone know what's up with Q-sails.
I ordered a set of sails 3-4 months ago;  I made the full payment including shipping and I am 45 days past the deadline not having any concrete information about the arrival date of the sails
It is your experience too?

Thanks

Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037
Josealegr@...



Re: Q sails unacceptable delay

Cathy & Guillaume
 

Hi Jose,

Sorry to hear of your issues with Qsails. I have bought a mainsail from them in July. My express condition to Emrah was: it has to be quick, shipped before the end of July, or no order. He managed to produce the sail in three weeks and ship to France. DHL and Customs in France was another story, and Emrah and his team were very responsive and helped solve the problem. I managed to get the sail litterally three hours before departing for my cruise, so just in time. The main is great (Hydranet).

I was quite impressed with the responsiveness of Emrah and the team. Whenever I contacted him on his number by Whatsapp, he called me back, responded or acted fast. Am planning to order genoa and mizzen from them next year, except if continued problems at their end.

Guillaume
Carpathia III, SM2K #293
Athens, Greece


Trouble-shooting MHU B&G213

Cathy & Guillaume
 

Dear Amelians,

I need some help, as my wind indicator is driving me crazy... Didn't work at all in the past 4 weeks sailing.

 

Two years ago, when the anemometer didn’t work, I changed the PCB and put anti-corrosion stuff at the top, in the box and on the Hydra 2000 connections. Everything worked fine for a year. Now, the wind indicator is kind of stuck most of the time on Stb, 160-170. When I take the voltage measurements, red and blue seem OK, change every second or so and move quite a bit between 0 and 4, depending on wind. Green seems stuck between 0.01 and 0.03. Seems to be the outlier!

I have gone up the mast, dismounted the unit, spread it with anticorrosion stuff, checked everything everywhere, but no result.

 

Based on what I read on the forum, my gut feel is:

1. Wind sensor angle bearing in the MHU (213-10-004)

2. Then Cable

3. Or possibly Connector base at the top

4. Further down: PCB (but I don’t think so)

5. Or Hydra fried (but I don’t think so)

 

If I can avoid, I don’t want to buy the whole thing piecemeal : is there a way to pinpoint whether it is the wind sensor or the connector or the cable?

 

Second question: I would like to mount a second MHU, at the top of the mizzen, for redundancy. Have others done it and does it work correctly there? If yes, is there a view on putting a second B&G213 (easier for parts) or definitely move to the newer WS310?

 

Many thanks in advance for advice!

 

Kind regards, 

Guillaume

s/v Carpathia III – SM2K #293


Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

Alain Durante <info@...>
 

Bonjour Lior,

 

CC32 means the diameter of the inlet and outlet tube to be connected to the existing pipes.

 

I measured the actual pipe connector and it is 33 mm.

 

I am currently in Elba and will be back in 2 weeks.

 

If you can wait, I will let you know because the Mota did not arrived before my departure to Corsica.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

A54 #21 / MEIGE

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Lior Keydar via groups.io
Envoyé : vendredi 3 septembre 2021 10:40
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons #lessons

 

Dear Alain

Did you check if the Mota G058-235-1 / CC32 is the correct model for your A54. My A54 is #18 so I am almost sure that it is the same oil cooler and measurements. Shell I order the Bowman DC60-XAA or the MOTA G058-235-1 / CC32 ? I am a little bit confuse what is the correct product.

Thanks
Lior, SHARONA, A54 #18

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 08:29 AM, Alain Durante wrote:

G058-235-1 / CC32


Re: Q sails unacceptable delay

Ian Park
 

Jose,
I ordered last October and they arrived in May this year. There has been a world shortahe of sail cloth. Their supplier in Germany was 40% down on its normal production. I think they may also have been short on staff too with COVID.
However I kept in touch by email, and they kept me informed of arrival date.
Unfortunately there was a problem with FedEx and British customs which caused a delay of another week which QSails quickly sorted out for me.
Unfortunately the sails arrived after I had left for the summer, so I won’t get them installed on the boat until next year.

They were always prompt in responding to my emails.

Ian ‘Ocean Hobo’ SN 96


Re: Q sails unacceptable delay

tony wells
 

Hi Jose

I recently received a Code Zero and Asymmetric from them. There was a significant delay too but Cenk explained that, like many other manufacturers globally, they’ve been experiencing extremely challenging COVID-based supply-chain issues - from sail cloth to hardware. 

Bottom line - we’re all in the same boat due to COVID interruptions but I’m very happy  with the sails. I hope your outcome is similar. 

Tony Wells
Previous A54 Owner

Ps Dealer Ancasta tell me that Groupe Beneteau have stopped taking orders of new boats due to supply chain/price uncertainty. They’ve already raised their boat prices by 9% in 2021

On 6 Sep 2021, at 06:24, Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> wrote:

Dear Amelians

Anyone know what's up with Q-sails.
I ordered a set of sails 3-4 months ago;  I made the full payment including shipping and I am 45 days past the deadline not having any concrete information about the arrival date of the sails
It is your experience too?

Thanks

Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037
Josealegr@...



Q sails unacceptable delay

Jose Alegria
 

Dear Amelians

Anyone know what's up with Q-sails.
I ordered a set of sails 3-4 months ago;  I made the full payment including shipping and I am 45 days past the deadline not having any concrete information about the arrival date of the sails
It is your experience too?

Thanks

Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037
Josealegr@...



Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Gregory Shea
 

JB,
I have the same mounting system as Danny. You can buy them direct from the Swedish manufacturer NOA and they are available in the States but you will have to search around to find a retailer. There was one in St Pete, in Florida, but they did not stock anything so I went direct to NOA.
They are top shelf stuff and they do all sorts of solar mountings, tables, radar masts etc.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des Iles


On Sep 6, 2021, at 2:26 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

HI jB,

i got the panels and everything else in the same place at the same time. Island Water World Sint Maarten. they carried everything custom made to mount them. In 2009 so they have stood the test of time.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 06 September 2021 at 10:46 JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

Danny, this is super cool and so well made. Where did you get the hardware to build the mounts, the sliders? Aluminum or SS? This is exactly what I was looking for.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Lithium battery costs

Geo Uhrich <lingeouhr@...>
 

I lived this through for the last 4 years.  Don’t do it. I can provide a lot of reasons, but first is to make yourself totally reliant on a generator for propulsion... or a network cable takes down your system...

If anyone wants all the other reasons. Just let me know and give me an email and I will send.

Geo

On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 2:38 PM Andrew & Kate Lamb <andrew@...> wrote:

Brent – you make some very valid points - Andrew

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brent Cameron via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 6:02 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lithium battery costs

 

I’m sorry but I  really don’t get the fascination with installing electric motors on cruising sailboats. Your 40KW motor is 53 HP which is about half the power that your boat came with (assuming your later model Super Maramu had the Yanmar 105HP). Granted you don’t NEED all of that 105HP as there are plenty of Super Maramu owners perfectly happy with their 78 HP Perkins/Volvos which would put out about 40KW at 2400 RPM but I suspect that 40 KW is stretching your ability to get off a lee shore or through some big currents.   You could try it by running your motor at about 1700 RPM. 

The 28Kw/h battery bank could run that 40KW motor at that rate for a grand total of 38 minutes on batteries alone but I very much doubt that your battery bank could support discharging at 1.4C (most Lithium Ion installations restrict to 1.0C and that’s on the extreme end IMHO).  If you also fired up your new 18KW generator, it drops your C rate to less than 1 and you could double your longevity but 76 minutes of power (assuming your batteries were already fully charged AND you starting the genset the instant you turned on the electric motor) is not nearly enough IMHO to satisfy basic seamanship requirements even for just coastal cruising.  

That’s a huge cost to get a significant reduction in capability and I think would dramatically lower the resale value of your fine boat. 

I get the urge to electrify everything but are you really getting that benefit if you have to run a diesel genset at the same time?  It works for cars because they can carry huge battery banks (the Base Tesla model 3 has a 50KW/h battery pack of NCA (Lithium Nickel Cobalt Aluminum) cells that are designed to discharge at high C rates unlike the LiFePO4 cells used in boats for safety reasons). Of course that means that they are a lot more susceptible to bursting into flames so not a great idea on your floating home. Also a model 3 car at 60 mph/100 km/h only uses about 0.34kw/h as most of the power is needed to get it moving and they can regenerate that kinetic energy when braking and coasting which can’t be done in a boat - although admittedly you could put a hydro-generator on to help recharge the batteries when sailing - but of course that won’t be of any use when you have to motor.   Still, that 50KWH battery is only good for 151 kms of range according to Tesla’s configurator… they want you to upgrade to the 82KWH battery to get 500kms (300 miles). 

We had a good example of the difficulty of doing this in sailboats with one of our recent guest speakers, the estimable Jimmy Cornell having to give up his attempt to sail across the Atlantic (let alone the world) on his specifically designed and completely solar bedecked Catamaran earlier  this year.  They said that they dramatically underestimated the power consumption and overestimated the generation capabilities- and that’s with a team of sponsors well motivated to make sure of his success.   He’s now going to try again but only after significantly upgrading the solar, hydro generation and efficiency of his consuming equipment.  An Amel can’t carry the same amount of solar as a specifically designed cat and they need more power to move them than a performance cat as well.   

It’s your money but I don’t get it. I guess you’d save a lot of diesel because you’d not be able to motor anywhere anyway. LOL.  If I was that worried about saving carbon, I  think I’d pocket the money and stay on the dock. :-)


Brent

On Sep 5, 2021, 10:10 AM -0400, Andrew & Kate Lamb <andrew@...>, wrote:

That’s an interesting figure – I have been exploring the concept of an Oceanvolt drive for the supermaramu with an 18KW DC generator to provide range only dependent on the diesel tank size. A 40KW motor system with 28kWh lithium batteries and the DC generator + 5K 48/230 inverter and 48/24 V convertor comes in installed at just over 100K euros. There recommendation is that one would not touch the existing battery system but just charge it from the lithium batteries / generator - 230v power would directly from the lithium batteries / generator. At the moment I am not even sure there would be space to install such as system and also if the C drive is compatible, but it has some appeal to it.

 

Andrew

Ronpische SM 472

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Newport via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lithium battery costs

 

I had Maine yacht center install 1200ah of lithionics batteries with 1200w of solbian solar, 300a api alternator and 2 x 3kw victron inverter chargers. 90k usd with about half that being labor.

Billy

 


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

HI jB,

i got the panels and everything else in the same place at the same time. Island Water World Sint Maarten. they carried everything custom made to mount them. In 2009 so they have stood the test of time.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 06 September 2021 at 10:46 JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

Danny, this is super cool and so well made. Where did you get the hardware to build the mounts, the sliders? Aluminum or SS? This is exactly what I was looking for.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Date: 06 September 2021 at 11:14
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Hi Pierre.

See photos attached. You will see the wires are surface mounted entering under the lid of the big cockpit locker. I did it that way because I thought the rail mounting would be temporary. Both the rail mount and the surface wiring have been so successful I changed nothing

 Pleased to avoid drilling holes. As you can see the panels in.working position leave sufficient space to move past them.. Not being stayed they are quick and easy to swivel either way. If extreme weather threatened it would be a task of minutes to remove and stow them. In over 50,000 miles I have never had to contemplate this action. 

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 September 2021 at 08:37 Pierre Blouin <blouinpdx@...> wrote:

Hi Danny, would you mind posting some pictures of your port side rail set-up, sounds very interesting.

thanks
-Pierre
SV Viva, SM374
Portland, OR


 


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pierre.

See photos attached. You will see the wires are surface mounted entering under the lid of the big cockpit locker. I did it that way because I thought the rail mounting would be temporary. Both the rail mount and the surface wiring have been so successful I changed nothing

 Pleased to avoid drilling holes. As you can see the panels in.working position leave sufficient space to move past them.. Not being stayed they are quick and easy to swivel either way. If extreme weather threatened it would be a task of minutes to remove and stow them. In over 50,000 miles I have never had to contemplate this action. 

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 September 2021 at 08:37 Pierre Blouin <blouinpdx@...> wrote:

Hi Danny, would you mind posting some pictures of your port side rail set-up, sounds very interesting.

thanks
-Pierre
SV Viva, SM374
Portland, OR


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

JB Duler
 

Danny, this is super cool and so well made. Where did you get the hardware to build the mounts, the sliders? Aluminum or SS? This is exactly what I was looking for.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pierre.

See photos attached. You will see the wires are surface mounted entering under the lid of the big cockpit locker. I did it that way because I thought the rail mounting would be temporary. Both the rail mount and the surface wiring have been so successful I changed nothing

 Pleased to avoid drilling holes. As you can see the panels in.working position leave sufficient space to move past them.. Not being stayed they are quick and easy to swivel either way. If extreme weather threatened it would be a task of minutes to remove and stow them. In over 50,000 miles I have never had to contemplate this action. 

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 September 2021 at 08:37 Pierre Blouin <blouinpdx@...> wrote:

Hi Danny, would you mind posting some pictures of your port side rail set-up, sounds very interesting.

thanks
-Pierre
SV Viva, SM374
Portland, OR