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Re: BT seals

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

To All,

I just received delivery of 2 to 3 weeks.  If no one has ordered, I will order 20 sets.  I will deliver from Las Vegas for US boats, and will take the rest to Europe with me will ship from Vilnius or Brussels a month or two later.  

Let me know if anyone has ordered, if not I will order.  And, below is a list of owners that are interested.  Put your name on it if you are interested.

1.  Ken Powers Aquarius US and or EU
2.  Ken Powers Aquarius US and or EU
3.  Ken Powers Aquarius US and or EU
4.  Slavko Despotovic 
5.  Slavko Despotovic
6.  Eloi Bamberg
7.  Eloi Bamberg
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262


Re: Mainsheet Traveller replacement on an early Super Maramu

Mark Barter
 

Hi Steve,

The traveller car and the end blocks you have look almost identical to the ones we have fitted. I thought I had found a replacement car on Ebay but it isn't going to be compatible. It is the same as the car on Noa Blue above.

What I can't figure out is what the 4 nuts either side of the car are for. I have undone them all and the thread that they are on appears to be captive in the car. Of course it may just be seized in there. I thought by removing the nuts the wheels may have come free allowing the car to be removed but that didn't happen. Have you any idea what the nuts do here?

My thought is to remove the car because I think that the stainless loop will be attached to the car by 2 bolts. If I can get the car off I can remove the damaged bolts and re attach the loop with new bolts.

Thanks
Mark
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: BT seals

Slavko Despotovic
 

I would order 2 sets, for SM 2000 and need a delivery to Europe. I hope that the cost of delivery would be reasonable.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: BT seals

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

I also would like to buy 2 sets, and have requested delivery from the factory, I am thinking to order 20 pieces and sell 18 pieces.

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K#262


Re: BT seals

Darren Moore
 

I would order three sets if they are compatible with Super Maramu and provided I can get them delivered to Australia
--
Darren & Karen
SM171
Tradewinds III
Tasmania, Australia


Re: BT seals

Eloi Bamberg
 

I would also order 2 .
Eloi
SM2K 426 RedLion


SM winch motor brushes

Mike Ondra
 

Our starboard foresail winch has started to complain. After servicing the above deck hardware it sounded better but still a bit more growly than normal. Suspecting the motor brushes. Not having had experience servicing this motor, I am anticipating, as with other first time servicing projects, that it may not go smoothly. If indeed brush replacement is likely, I would like to have the brushes in hand while things are apart. We do have spare brushes for the furling motors. It would be nice if the winch motors utilized the same brushes. Can anyone confirm the specifics of the winch motor brushes?

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: BT seals

Dan Wilcox
 

I sent a request in yesterday, but have not gotten a response yet.  Personally I will order 3 ( 2 for me and 1 for another SM).

Thanks, Dan 
Feierabend SM #86

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021, 10:36:05 AM EDT, david bruce <davidcbruce57@...> wrote:


Hello All,

Since there has been discussion of the BT seals, thought I would repost this thread with the contact information for obtaining the seals.  There is a 10 unit minimum, I had no trouble finding homes for the extras.  Steve, I didn’t see an actual pic of the seals on the shaft, could you post one? 

Best,  Dave
Liesse
SN006







Re: BT seals

david bruce
 

Hello All,

Since there has been discussion of the BT seals, thought I would repost this thread with the contact information for obtaining the seals. There is a 10 unit minimum, I had no trouble finding homes for the extras. Steve, I didn’t see an actual pic of the seals on the shaft, could you post one?

Best, Dave
Liesse
SN006


Re: Silicone BT seals

Jose Venegas
 

Jose, do you still use the inner neoprene seals, too?  
YES

Do you use RTV sealant to keep them in place?  
I USED SILICON SEALANT
 
Any other tips?
Lubricate trunk with silicon grease periodically 



Re: What is this

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

Thanks JP!

No, Z is working in Lithuania.  Someone has to make money in this family.  My role is young SPENDER.   Currently I am on the hard here in Krabi Boat Lagoon, and loving it.  Working away on Aquarius getting her ready for the Indian Ocean Crossing!  Just ordered my third battery......  Now Aquarius will have 900AH usable at 24V.  I did a load pull on my 1 year old 600AH 24V battery bank, and ran the portable Aircon off my inverter for 19.5 hours.....  Average 32Amps...  Just about 620AH...  OMG, I would not do this again, but the results were amazing.  How are you and Julie doing?

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262


Re: What is this

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Ken, 

I think it’s the key way and locknut for the fixed pitch prop. 

Is Z back in Thailand too

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera SM007



On 2 Jun 2021, at 14:48, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:

This "tool?" was in the same place as my prop puller, but not sure what it is for.  Looks like it may help pull out the seals on the prop shaft, but need your help.  What is this, and how do you use it?

Thanks,

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262
Thailand
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What is this

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

This "tool?" was in the same place as my prop puller, but not sure what it is for.  Looks like it may help pull out the seals on the prop shaft, but need your help.  What is this, and how do you use it?

Thanks,

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262
Thailand


Re: Silicone BT seals

Kent Robertson
 

Thanks, Steve and Jose, fir the Pics abd description.
Jose, do you still use the inner neoprene seals, too?  Do you use RTV sealant to keep them in place?  Any other tips?

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Fuel Bladders

David Vogel
 

Yes, I agree with both Bill R & JP,

We have not absolutely needed the extra fuel for ‘underway’ point-to-point passage-making. But we have needed it due to the interruption of the normal supply line, or exercising the option we had (due to having ~800 litres on-board) to stay away from population centres for extended periods. Both of these events responding to or resulting from COVID and directly-related circumstances. Sometime, we have expected to be able to fuel up monthly, but with a 3-month delay until the next fuel supplies arrive on-island (or anywhere within 500nm). We were glad to have the extra fuel on-board in these cases.

Perhaps the point I wish to make is that - for prolonged remote-area cruising where sometimes one is held in a remote area/s due to circumstances not of your choosing - everything (such as supply lines, including fuel supplies to remote island archipelagos) has changed due to COVID, and what worked in prior years may not work so well in future.

Supply chain management: we are also seeing reduced availability of spare parts, and greater delays (or more expense to reduce the delay) of various (otherwise normally available items) – even such mundane items as oil filters. Folks planning to head out into the wild blue yonder may beneficially review their on-board spares & consumables holdings accordingly. Also, choose your freight company with care.

For example, using FEDEX out of the US, to French Polynesia, results in items ending up in NZ (with no onwards to FP). A simply request for a re-direct has resulted in item/s been forwarded to Australia (abandon all hope). If you are fortunate enough to able to actually get someone to physically locate your item in NZ, then it can be sent from NZ to Europe, and from there re-consigned to FP. Or, choose a US supplier that in the first place will ship via DHL. Or, choose a supplier in Europe, not the US.

The world has changed in strange ways. And it is not as simple as it once was, not that it was ‘simple’ in the first place.

Best to all.

David
Perigee, SM#396


From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, 1 June 2021 at 11:05 am
To: <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Bladders

Bill Rouse, 

We concur with your view: we have 1 X 20 litre of diesel and 1 X 20 litre gasoline for the outboard. Neither one was used during our longest sea legs

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera SM007

On 2/06/2021, at 8:00 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

David,

In our 10 years and 40,000 miles, we never needed the 190 extra liters and most of the miles we didn't have solar.

If we were to do it again, we would probably not carry extra fuel, but would have about 800 watts of solar. 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 1:50 PM David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Re: did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

We have 10x Jerry Cans for shore-to-boat transfers and longer passages, as described by others, stored on-deck.  PLUS 3x 20ltr jerry cans with known clean fuel held inviolate in the port-side deck locker for fuel emergencies – the fuel rotated into the main tank and refilled with biocide & water treatment roughly every 12 months.

The deck jerries are used routinely to ferry fuel from shore, or to top up the main tank whilst underway or in remote localities – the deck fuel normally not more than 6-months old. A downside of using the deck-jerries so regularly, is that the lip-seals on some are starting to split, and so no longer fuel- (or water) proof.  (At least one lip-seal falling foul to the over-enthusiastic efforts of a friendly and very helpful service-station attendant in French Polynesia – my bad for not maintaining adequate oversight.)

As to the question have we ever really needed the extra fuel?  We necessarily tapped into the deck reserves twice.
Both during COVID times.

The first during lockdown, which occurred immediately after an unscheduled break in the supply ships delivering fuel stocks to the island – so refuelling was down to 20ltr per person per day, and I didn’t foresee the imminent need to keep everything topped up. And, then during lockdown, refuelling was not possible at all.  I was very pleased to have the extra fuel already on-board …

The second whilst anchored out for extended periods in the Tuamotus.  We could have decided to leave and head back to ‘civilisation’ earlier to refuel, but having the extra fuel on-board provided welcome flexibility and options to remain away from population centres while COVID was circuiting throughout the various communities.  Noting that medical facilities in the more remote areas comprise a nursing station (if you’re lucky), so an extra-precautionary approach to minimising exposure was appropriate for our circumstances.

I also enjoy the extra flexibility in passage planning and execution – if we wish, or need, to burn fuel to power through a calm, or to make that pass on the next tide, then generally useable fuel is not a key consideration.

Bearing in mind that we presently have only 400W of solar, so are more reliant on the genset that many other AMELs.  We are planning a solar upgrade, at which time we will downsize the auxiliary fuel capacity, and store 160ltr in the port-side deck locker as others have been doing (and will then be glad to return to the “clean decks” we once enjoyed).

David
Perigee, SM#396


From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, 7 April 2021 at 4:27 am
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Bladders

Hi Colin,
Last saw you as you were in your dinghy hanging onto our rail in Bequia to inform me of your decision to immediately move on through The Canal back to Austrailia. 

Just curious--even though you transfer from the cans to the tank when you can--by your calculations, did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

Bob, KAIMI SM429


Re: Silicone BT seals

Jose Venegas
 

Actually I am not sure which order works best. Either one should do the job
Only time will tell us
The important thing is to use a silicon RTV glue. This year, after 2 years I serviced the BT but I did NOT CHANGE THE SEAS.
I did glued the foam donut to the silicone seals to avoid it going up and down but I agree that it may not be needed


Re: Silicone BT seals

Jose Venegas
 

Four years and going strong

The two seals in series have the lips facing the sea. See pix


Re: Silicone BT seals

Dan Wilcox
 

Are the seals still available?  This is a constant problem I'm fighting.

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM#86

On Tuesday, June 1, 2021, 12:32:45 PM EDT, Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:


Hi Kent,

I can’t promise you the way I installed the seals is correct, but I can tell you that we have gone over 4000 miles since installation with zero water intrusion. The way you received the seals fitted together is not the way they are installed. Also, the seals will not be flush, but will be about 1/8” above the flat surface around them. Because of this, I attempted to contact cement the upper foam seal against the silicone seal, and that didn’t really work. I now have the foam seal free floating between the bottom of the motor and the top of the seal. It really just acts as a pad between the motor and the seals when the motor is in the down position. You do not need the foam seal to prevent water intrusion, as no water gets by the silicone seals. Another difference in the install is that I used a lot of adhesive RTV sealant (black) to firmly hold the seals in place, and have had no issues with the seals coming out. I also put a very thin coat on Moly-kote on the shaft of the thruster to make it move a bit easier through the 2 seals. see the attached picture for the orientation of my seals. 

Prior to the installation of the silicone seals, we always had water getting in the boat in spite of servicing the thruster once a year. This is one of the better improvements I have made to the boat, and it has completely solved the water getting by the seals issue. Another benefit is that I see absolutely no reason to change the seals until you see some deterioration of the silicone, which I expect to be many years. 


Good luck with the install. 


Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Anchored in Poulsbo, WA


Re: Fuel Bladders

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Bill Rouse, 

We concur with your view: we have 1 X 20 litre of diesel and 1 X 20 litre gasoline for the outboard. Neither one was used during our longest sea legs

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera SM007


On 2/06/2021, at 8:00 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


David,

In our 10 years and 40,000 miles, we never needed the 190 extra liters and most of the miles we didn't have solar.

If we were to do it again, we would probably not carry extra fuel, but would have about 800 watts of solar. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 1:50 PM David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Re: did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

We have 10x Jerry Cans for shore-to-boat transfers and longer passages, as described by others, stored on-deck.  PLUS 3x 20ltr jerry cans with known clean fuel held inviolate in the port-side deck locker for fuel emergencies – the fuel rotated into the main tank and refilled with biocide & water treatment roughly every 12 months.

The deck jerries are used routinely to ferry fuel from shore, or to top up the main tank whilst underway or in remote localities – the deck fuel normally not more than 6-months old. A downside of using the deck-jerries so regularly, is that the lip-seals on some are starting to split, and so no longer fuel- (or water) proof.  (At least one lip-seal falling foul to the over-enthusiastic efforts of a friendly and very helpful service-station attendant in French Polynesia – my bad for not maintaining adequate oversight.)

As to the question have we ever really needed the extra fuel?  We necessarily tapped into the deck reserves twice.
Both during COVID times.

The first during lockdown, which occurred immediately after an unscheduled break in the supply ships delivering fuel stocks to the island – so refuelling was down to 20ltr per person per day, and I didn’t foresee the imminent need to keep everything topped up. And, then during lockdown, refuelling was not possible at all.  I was very pleased to have the extra fuel already on-board …

The second whilst anchored out for extended periods in the Tuamotus.  We could have decided to leave and head back to ‘civilisation’ earlier to refuel, but having the extra fuel on-board provided welcome flexibility and options to remain away from population centres while COVID was circuiting throughout the various communities.  Noting that medical facilities in the more remote areas comprise a nursing station (if you’re lucky), so an extra-precautionary approach to minimising exposure was appropriate for our circumstances.

I also enjoy the extra flexibility in passage planning and execution – if we wish, or need, to burn fuel to power through a calm, or to make that pass on the next tide, then generally useable fuel is not a key consideration.

Bearing in mind that we presently have only 400W of solar, so are more reliant on the genset that many other AMELs.  We are planning a solar upgrade, at which time we will downsize the auxiliary fuel capacity, and store 160ltr in the port-side deck locker as others have been doing (and will then be glad to return to the “clean decks” we once enjoyed).

David
Perigee, SM#396


From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, 7 April 2021 at 4:27 am
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Bladders

Hi Colin,
Last saw you as you were in your dinghy hanging onto our rail in Bequia to inform me of your decision to immediately move on through The Canal back to Austrailia. 

Just curious--even though you transfer from the cans to the tank when you can--by your calculations, did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

Bob, KAIMI SM429










Re: Fuel Bladders

 

David,

In our 10 years and 40,000 miles, we never needed the 190 extra liters and most of the miles we didn't have solar.

If we were to do it again, we would probably not carry extra fuel, but would have about 800 watts of solar. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 1:50 PM David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Re: did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

We have 10x Jerry Cans for shore-to-boat transfers and longer passages, as described by others, stored on-deck.  PLUS 3x 20ltr jerry cans with known clean fuel held inviolate in the port-side deck locker for fuel emergencies – the fuel rotated into the main tank and refilled with biocide & water treatment roughly every 12 months.

The deck jerries are used routinely to ferry fuel from shore, or to top up the main tank whilst underway or in remote localities – the deck fuel normally not more than 6-months old. A downside of using the deck-jerries so regularly, is that the lip-seals on some are starting to split, and so no longer fuel- (or water) proof.  (At least one lip-seal falling foul to the over-enthusiastic efforts of a friendly and very helpful service-station attendant in French Polynesia – my bad for not maintaining adequate oversight.)

As to the question have we ever really needed the extra fuel?  We necessarily tapped into the deck reserves twice.
Both during COVID times.

The first during lockdown, which occurred immediately after an unscheduled break in the supply ships delivering fuel stocks to the island – so refuelling was down to 20ltr per person per day, and I didn’t foresee the imminent need to keep everything topped up. And, then during lockdown, refuelling was not possible at all.  I was very pleased to have the extra fuel already on-board …

The second whilst anchored out for extended periods in the Tuamotus.  We could have decided to leave and head back to ‘civilisation’ earlier to refuel, but having the extra fuel on-board provided welcome flexibility and options to remain away from population centres while COVID was circuiting throughout the various communities.  Noting that medical facilities in the more remote areas comprise a nursing station (if you’re lucky), so an extra-precautionary approach to minimising exposure was appropriate for our circumstances.

I also enjoy the extra flexibility in passage planning and execution – if we wish, or need, to burn fuel to power through a calm, or to make that pass on the next tide, then generally useable fuel is not a key consideration.

Bearing in mind that we presently have only 400W of solar, so are more reliant on the genset that many other AMELs.  We are planning a solar upgrade, at which time we will downsize the auxiliary fuel capacity, and store 160ltr in the port-side deck locker as others have been doing (and will then be glad to return to the “clean decks” we once enjoyed).

David
Perigee, SM#396


From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, 7 April 2021 at 4:27 am
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Bladders

Hi Colin,
Last saw you as you were in your dinghy hanging onto our rail in Bequia to inform me of your decision to immediately move on through The Canal back to Austrailia. 

Just curious--even though you transfer from the cans to the tank when you can--by your calculations, did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

Bob, KAIMI SM429