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Amel Maramu Jib sail halyard snapped

Benjamin Thibault
 

Good afternoon Amel community. I’ve purchased an amel Maramu 46 and slowly learning the basics of it. While sailing yesterday the jib sail halyard snapped and I need to replace it. 

My problem is this. I just realized they are no spare halyard to pull someone on top of the mast to do the necessary fix. The only solution I see for now is attaching another temporary rope to the mainsail halyard and try to use it to create a temporary halyard to bring someone up the main mast to make the necessary repair to add a new halyard to the jib sail. 

Before getting into this endevour, I wanted to ask the community if they have any other idea??? Cause I’m lost for word that they are no spare halyard on the mast. 

Thx
Ben 
Bon Edda 
Amel Maramu 202
Temp Sensors

Thomas Kleman
 

I recently bought and installed the Blue Sea 1841 M2 temp sensor. I feel like this data is so important that I removed one of my passive VHF speakers in the cockpit and placed it facing me.

Question to the group- There are 4 sensors that can be used. I've placed them 1) on engine muffler inlet, 2) on genset muffler inlet, 3) on 100 amp charger (lost one due to ambient heat), and 4.....yet to be decided. My battery bank has sensors already. Any ideas or modifications to my initial placements would be appreciated.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422
Oahu
Re: Prop is spinning freely

CW Bill Rouse
 

Thanks for that, Danny. I was told the same thing by Yanmar. However, I am reluctant to repeat it because I assume it will depend on the transmission installed on the engine. And to further confuse the issue Volvo and probably others have moved to electric gear changing transmissions which I assume require the ignition to be ON.

This is the reason I don't recommend it. 😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, 2:00 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

Volvo recommend either freewheeling or in gear. However care needs to be taken that either forward or reverse gear is selected depending on which firmly stops the spinning, the wrong one will allow slow revolution of the shaft from partially closed clutches which of course will cause wear. How to know which? When sailing observe the shaft rotating, put it into gear, the correct one will produce a satisfying clunk and the shaft will stop, the wrong one will slow the shaft but not fully stop it.  

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

Mangonui New Zealand

On 05 January 2021 at 04:45 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Chris,

There is usually not a simple answer to your question. 

 The most common issues for non-braking are mechanical within the caliper mechanism. Non-braking is usually caused by the following in order of probability:
  • The caliper bushings will wear and cause misalignment and open calipers
  • The brake shoe pads will wear
  • The caliper frame may be loose on the hydraulic cylinder
  • The hydraulic cylinder spring may need adjustment
  • The hydraulic cylinder may need an overhaul
  • The caliper mechanical springs may be broken or defective
  • Or, something else I haven't thought of 
The most common issue for not releasing is hydraulic in nature.

The quarter that Courtney refers to will usually solve the problem when the bushing is worn, or the brake pad is worn.

It is possible that the Italian-made Caliper you have is no longer made. If so, Amel will supply you with a new model that will work, but not necessarily fit without minor modification.

I believe that you can either leave the prop free spinning or place the transmission in gear to stop the spinning, however, I do not recommend either of those because I have not been able to verify the long-term issues, if any, in doing either.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 9:37 AM Chris Likins < likinsca@...> wrote:
We have A54 #133. Today when sailing I noticed that the prop was spinning freely(in reverse) each time a wave would pass under us. It’s easy to see that the shaft brake is not engaging when the engine is in neutral or shut down. Referencing Bill Rouses book p.305, it reads that the hydraulic shaft OPENS the calipers when pressurized by the transmission. Currently the shaft is retracted into the piston at all times allowing the calipers to remain open. I understand that the calipers are supposed to spring shut on the disk when transmission pressure is lost on the shaft. I am a bit confused by this as there is no mechanical connection between the hydraulic shaft and the outer caliper. It seems like the calipers should close when the shaft is extended.. So my questions are
 1. Can someone help explain this system in more detail? 
2. What position should the shaft be in when pressurized and not pressurized? 
3. Is it most likely a bad spring on the caliper? 
4. Most importantly for now.. Is it ok to allow the prop to spin freely for the duration of the passage or would it be better on the shaft if we remain in forward gear. 

Thank you for the help! 

 

 
Re: Prop is spinning freely

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill,

Volvo recommend either freewheeling or in gear. However care needs to be taken that either forward or reverse gear is selected depending on which firmly stops the spinning, the wrong one will allow slow revolution of the shaft from partially closed clutches which of course will cause wear. How to know which? When sailing observe the shaft rotating, put it into gear, the correct one will produce a satisfying clunk and the shaft will stop, the wrong one will slow the shaft but not fully stop it.  

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

Mangonui New Zealand

On 05 January 2021 at 04:45 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Chris,

There is usually not a simple answer to your question. 

 The most common issues for non-braking are mechanical within the caliper mechanism. Non-braking is usually caused by the following in order of probability:
  • The caliper bushings will wear and cause misalignment and open calipers
  • The brake shoe pads will wear
  • The caliper frame may be loose on the hydraulic cylinder
  • The hydraulic cylinder spring may need adjustment
  • The hydraulic cylinder may need an overhaul
  • The caliper mechanical springs may be broken or defective
  • Or, something else I haven't thought of 
The most common issue for not releasing is hydraulic in nature.

The quarter that Courtney refers to will usually solve the problem when the bushing is worn, or the brake pad is worn.

It is possible that the Italian-made Caliper you have is no longer made. If so, Amel will supply you with a new model that will work, but not necessarily fit without minor modification.

I believe that you can either leave the prop free spinning or place the transmission in gear to stop the spinning, however, I do not recommend either of those because I have not been able to verify the long-term issues, if any, in doing either.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 9:37 AM Chris Likins < likinsca@...> wrote:
We have A54 #133. Today when sailing I noticed that the prop was spinning freely(in reverse) each time a wave would pass under us. It’s easy to see that the shaft brake is not engaging when the engine is in neutral or shut down. Referencing Bill Rouses book p.305, it reads that the hydraulic shaft OPENS the calipers when pressurized by the transmission. Currently the shaft is retracted into the piston at all times allowing the calipers to remain open. I understand that the calipers are supposed to spring shut on the disk when transmission pressure is lost on the shaft. I am a bit confused by this as there is no mechanical connection between the hydraulic shaft and the outer caliper. It seems like the calipers should close when the shaft is extended.. So my questions are
 1. Can someone help explain this system in more detail? 
2. What position should the shaft be in when pressurized and not pressurized? 
3. Is it most likely a bad spring on the caliper? 
4. Most importantly for now.. Is it ok to allow the prop to spin freely for the duration of the passage or would it be better on the shaft if we remain in forward gear. 

Thank you for the help! 

 

 
Re: Prop is spinning freely

CW Bill Rouse
 

For your information, I have seen all sorts of "fixes" for worn-out caliper bushings when performing Pre-Purchase consulting. This photo takes the Grand Prize Award of all I have seen. It includes a wooden clothespin and wire, both circled in red. The new owner of this SM replaced the calipers with a slightly different model caliper from the same Italian manufacturer as the original. Amel SAV provided the new caliper:
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 9:45 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Chris,

There is usually not a simple answer to your question. 

 The most common issues for non-braking are mechanical within the caliper mechanism. Non-braking is usually caused by the following in order of probability:
  • The caliper bushings will wear and cause misalignment and open calipers
  • The brake shoe pads will wear
  • The caliper frame may be loose on the hydraulic cylinder
  • The hydraulic cylinder spring may need adjustment
  • The hydraulic cylinder may need an overhaul
  • The caliper mechanical springs may be broken or defective
  • Or, something else I haven't thought of 
The most common issue for not releasing is hydraulic in nature.

The quarter that Courtney refers to will usually solve the problem when the bushing is worn, or the brake pad is worn.

It is possible that the Italian-made Caliper you have is no longer made. If so, Amel will supply you with a new model that will work, but not necessarily fit without minor modification.

I believe that you can either leave the prop free spinning or place the transmission in gear to stop the spinning, however, I do not recommend either of those because I have not been able to verify the long-term issues, if any, in doing either.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 9:37 AM Chris Likins <likinsca@...> wrote:
We have A54 #133. Today when sailing I noticed that the prop was spinning freely(in reverse) each time a wave would pass under us. It’s easy to see that the shaft brake is not engaging when the engine is in neutral or shut down. Referencing Bill Rouses book p.305, it reads that the hydraulic shaft OPENS the calipers when pressurized by the transmission. Currently the shaft is retracted into the piston at all times allowing the calipers to remain open. I understand that the calipers are supposed to spring shut on the disk when transmission pressure is lost on the shaft. I am a bit confused by this as there is no mechanical connection between the hydraulic shaft and the outer caliper. It seems like the calipers should close when the shaft is extended.. So my questions are
1. Can someone help explain this system in more detail? 
2. What position should the shaft be in when pressurized and not pressurized? 
3. Is it most likely a bad spring on the caliper? 
4. Most importantly for now.. Is it ok to allow the prop to spin freely for the duration of the passage or would it be better on the shaft if we remain in forward gear. 

Thank you for the help! 

Re: Prop is spinning freely

CW Bill Rouse
 

Chris,

There is usually not a simple answer to your question. 

 The most common issues for non-braking are mechanical within the caliper mechanism. Non-braking is usually caused by the following in order of probability:
  • The caliper bushings will wear and cause misalignment and open calipers
  • The brake shoe pads will wear
  • The caliper frame may be loose on the hydraulic cylinder
  • The hydraulic cylinder spring may need adjustment
  • The hydraulic cylinder may need an overhaul
  • The caliper mechanical springs may be broken or defective
  • Or, something else I haven't thought of 
The most common issue for not releasing is hydraulic in nature.

The quarter that Courtney refers to will usually solve the problem when the bushing is worn, or the brake pad is worn.

It is possible that the Italian-made Caliper you have is no longer made. If so, Amel will supply you with a new model that will work, but not necessarily fit without minor modification.

I believe that you can either leave the prop free spinning or place the transmission in gear to stop the spinning, however, I do not recommend either of those because I have not been able to verify the long-term issues, if any, in doing either.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 9:37 AM Chris Likins <likinsca@...> wrote:
We have A54 #133. Today when sailing I noticed that the prop was spinning freely(in reverse) each time a wave would pass under us. It’s easy to see that the shaft brake is not engaging when the engine is in neutral or shut down. Referencing Bill Rouses book p.305, it reads that the hydraulic shaft OPENS the calipers when pressurized by the transmission. Currently the shaft is retracted into the piston at all times allowing the calipers to remain open. I understand that the calipers are supposed to spring shut on the disk when transmission pressure is lost on the shaft. I am a bit confused by this as there is no mechanical connection between the hydraulic shaft and the outer caliper. It seems like the calipers should close when the shaft is extended.. So my questions are
1. Can someone help explain this system in more detail? 
2. What position should the shaft be in when pressurized and not pressurized? 
3. Is it most likely a bad spring on the caliper? 
4. Most importantly for now.. Is it ok to allow the prop to spin freely for the duration of the passage or would it be better on the shaft if we remain in forward gear. 

Thank you for the help! 

Re: Prop is spinning freely

Sebti Lamya
 

Re: SM 2000 Mizzen Spreader Deck Light

scentstone
 

Hi Jeff,

I hope it helps but you'll see on this page the reference used by Amel on your boat which is Aquasignal.

It's nos available with an (expensive) LED bulb which you'll see on this page.

https://www.svb24.com/en/aqua-signal-kiel-led-floodlight-white.html

My two cents is that, after some years the small teeths which hold the buld wouls be fragile (as well on your main mast light = same brand, same bulb, different model) and it would be a great idea to change it for a brand new.

Lift you up, use a drill to remove "rivets" and install the new.

Kind regards

Fred
S/V ScentStone
SM2K#375
Re: SM 2000 Mizzen Spreader Deck Light

Jeff Williams
 

Hi Gary,
I was referring to the cockpit area light mounted on the forward aspect of the mizzen mast.  

The old bulb housing was very rusted along with the internal mount for the bulb.  I've ordered a new bulb but am not 100% sure how to mount it inside the housing.
It is a 50W PAR36 bulb, not LED.  
Jeff

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:03 AM Gary Silver via groups.io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Jeff, Are you referring to the cockpit area light mounted on the forward aspect of the mizzen mast, or are there actually spreader lights on the mizzen mast spreaders? If the later is the case I don't believe spreader lights were standard on SMs.  At least spreader lights weren't standard thru hull # 335 and I suspect the same for # 379.  Others might have information on post # 335 hull numbers.  A photo would be helpful. 

All the best,  Gary S. Silver, M.D.  , until recently the original and only owner of s/v Liahona   Amel SM 2000 # 335, Puerto Del Rey Puerto Rico

Re: SM 2000 Mizzen Spreader Deck Light

Gary Silver
 
Edited

Jeff, Are you referring to the cockpit area light mounted on the forward aspect of the mizzen mast, or are there actually spreader lights on the mizzen mast spreaders? If the later is the case I don't believe spreader lights were standard on SMs.  At least spreader lights weren't standard thru hull # 335 and I suspect the same for # 379.  Others might have information on post # 335 hull numbers.  A photo would be helpful. 

All the best,  Gary S. Silver, M.D.  , until recently the original and only owner of s/v Liahona   Amel SM 2000 # 335, Puerto Del Rey Puerto Rico
Re: Prop is spinning freely

Courtney Gorman
 

Where the plunger comes out of the cylinder to push against the brakes.  You tape a quarter to the spot on the brakes where the plunger contacts it this will increase the compression of the pads 


On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:

Hello Courtney,

Chris is still having a problem.  Please write more about the procedure to correct the problem, I can't understand how to correct the problem.  Is your comment is missing punctuation.

"See where the plunger engages the brakes tape a quarter in this spot then all is well" 

Thanks!

Ken
Aquarius

Re: Prop is spinning freely

Alan Leslie
 

Chris,

There is a spring inside the brake caliper piston cylinder that is supposed to push the piston and keep the pads pressed against the brake disc when the engine is not running. The caliper is semi floating like a car disc brake
There is an adjustment bolt on the aft end of the the cylinder that allows you to increase the pressure on the spring. Adjusting this, may or may not help.
If the pads are badly worn, it won't help, you need new pads.
I had this issue when in the Pacific a few years ago and I solved it by adding an adjustment bolt on the forward caliper so I could make the brake just close.
It's quite a simple system really.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: Prop is spinning freely

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

On Aquarius we put her in Reverse to lock the shaft.  Would Chris be able to do this?  Or will it damage the transmission?

Ken
Aquarius
Re: Prop is spinning freely

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

Hello Courtney,

Chris is still having a problem.  Please write more about the procedure to correct the problem, I can't understand how to correct the problem.  Is your comment is missing punctuation.

"See where the plunger engages the brakes tape a quarter in this spot then all is well" 

Thanks!

Ken
Aquarius
Electrical Panel LED backlighting

Doug Smith
 

Greetings to all,

I was pretty unhappy with the lighting on my electrical panel, then discovered that most of the bulbs were not working.  Thanks to previous emails from Arno regarding the repair.  Here is more detail for those of you who would like to undertake this project.

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Patuxent River, MD USA

PDF
Electrical Panel Backlighting Repair.pdf

Re: Prop is spinning freely

Courtney Gorman
 

Easy fix
See where the plunger engages the brakes tape a quarter in this spot then all is well 
Also voyage will be much quieter 
Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin 
54#101


On Jan 3, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Chris Likins <likinsca@...> wrote:

We have A54 #133. Today when sailing I noticed that the prop was spinning freely(in reverse) each time a wave would pass under us. It’s easy to see that the shaft brake is not engaging when the engine is in neutral or shut down. Referencing Bill Rouses book p.305, it reads that the hydraulic shaft OPENS the calipers when pressurized by the transmission. Currently the shaft is retracted into the piston at all times allowing the calipers to remain open. I understand that the calipers are supposed to spring shut on the disk when transmission pressure is lost on the shaft. I am a bit confused by this as there is no mechanical connection between the hydraulic shaft and the outer caliper. It seems like the calipers should close when the shaft is extended.. So my questions are
1. Can someone help explain this system in more detail? 
2. What position should the shaft be in when pressurized and not pressurized? 
3. Is it most likely a bad spring on the caliper? 
4. Most importantly for now.. Is it ok to allow the prop to spin freely for the duration of the passage or would it be better on the shaft if we remain in forward gear. 

Thank you for the help! 

Prop is spinning freely

Chris Likins
 

We have A54 #133. Today when sailing I noticed that the prop was spinning freely(in reverse) each time a wave would pass under us. It’s easy to see that the shaft brake is not engaging when the engine is in neutral or shut down. Referencing Bill Rouses book p.305, it reads that the hydraulic shaft OPENS the calipers when pressurized by the transmission. Currently the shaft is retracted into the piston at all times allowing the calipers to remain open. I understand that the calipers are supposed to spring shut on the disk when transmission pressure is lost on the shaft. I am a bit confused by this as there is no mechanical connection between the hydraulic shaft and the outer caliper. It seems like the calipers should close when the shaft is extended.. So my questions are
1. Can someone help explain this system in more detail? 
2. What position should the shaft be in when pressurized and not pressurized? 
3. Is it most likely a bad spring on the caliper? 
4. Most importantly for now.. Is it ok to allow the prop to spin freely for the duration of the passage or would it be better on the shaft if we remain in forward gear. 

Thank you for the help! 
Re: "Apple is examining a chemistry for the car battery called LFP, or lithium iron phosphate, for its car", that will bring the cost down for all of us

Mark McGovern
 
Edited

This will not likely have a trickle down effect for marine batteries anytime soon.  The key differentiator for Apple is the "monocell" cell design, not the LFP chemistry.  It's their way of trying to make up for the lower energy density of the LFP chemistry compared to other Lithium Ion chemistries like the NCA chemistry (lithium-nickel-cobalt-aluminum) that Tesla mainly uses.  Tesla batteries are made from older, proven cylindrical cell design as well as a different NCA chemistry.  Scott, your Victron batteries actually use prismatic LFP cells, not cylindrical cells:  https://shop.pkys.com/Ever-wondered-what-is-inside-a-Victron-Lithium-Battery_b_167.html 

Most other drop-in batteries like Battleborn do use cylindrical LFP cells to make their batteries.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
Re: Placement of Beta 60 in an Amel Maramu #replacement

eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Thank You Danny,

Thank you for the explanation.

 

I am headed off to St Maarten for a new Yanmar  mid January.

 

It is working perfectly and all the fluid samples are great. However with over 7,000 hours, I thought I would just replace it and never have to worry about something going bang on a passage .

I was concerned about the possibility of breaking the oil pump, a wrist pin, or a connecting rod.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

HAPPY New Year

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 3:28 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Placement of Beta 60 in an Amel Maramu #replacement

 

Hi Eric, it wasn't an hours issue. What caused its demise was the misunderstanding about rpm. It was maxing at 2800 rpm under load and the consensus on the forum was that there must be something wrong since under no load it would easily do 4000. Many of us tried to resolve what wasn't an issue. So when after about 2 years and 25000 sailing miles suddenly it would rev up to  3500 under load I thought it had resolved whatever was wrong. HOWEVER 2800rpm was the correct max under load and the ability to rev higher was caused by a jammed wastegate on the turbo. This is intended to open progressively to reduce the boost as revs increase.  So with it jammed closed the boost pressure was excessive, hence the higher revs achieved. Not that I ran it at high revs a lot, but over several years the excess pressure damaged the rings and pistons and eventually I couldn't get better than 2200 rpm under load. I tried everything without success including quite a lot of Volvo specialist time. So one day, having had the engineer on board yet again I said b....it and ordered a new one. In retrospect it would have made more sense to do a recondition on the TMD22 since I had replaced most of the bolt ons.

So you TMD owners. 2800 load rpm is correct and if you are getting more, check the waste gate.

Happy New Year to you all

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 31 December 2020 at 17:22 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

How many hours were on your engine before you replaced it?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 1:00 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Placement of Beta 60 in an Amel Maramu #replacement

 

Hi. The Beta spunds a good option. However I repkced my tmd22 with  volvo d275 and with 1300 hpurs up it is going well. Plus points. It has significantly more torque. Even with the propellor barnacle encrusted it pulls its standard 3000 rpm. Existing gearbox bolted on. Enging mount hole  positioning was identical, fitted perfectly onto the egine bearers. All we had to do was make new forward end spacers to align the engine. Could not have been easier.

It is significantly lighter than the tmd22 and this shows in the fore aft trim. It is a turbo. But no timing belt. It is a push rod engine, not ohc. I did not make up the spacer alignment tool for this job, nor for the engine mout repacement this year. No difficulties at all. Nil vibration.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl

On 30 December 2020 at 16:35 "michael winand via groups.io" <mfw642000@...> wrote:

The Beta 60 has more torque than the tmd22. The hp is measured at the gearbox output 
I would say that the Beta 60 has the same power as the tmd22 but lower in the rev range. My cruising revs is around 1800 and 6kn  flat out 2200 and 7.5 kn in flat calm water. 30kn wind on the nose would be 4kn 

The cubic capacity makes a difference.  It is nice to have no  turbo  and no timing belt. 

Michael Nebo sm251 

 

 

 

On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 at 1:03 pm, Germain Jean-Pierre

<jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hello Larry on Sulawesi,

 

Is the Beta 60 sufficient for an SM?  A

2

Curious as I would like a non TC engine when I have to replace my Volvo TDM22.

 

Kind regards,

 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ

 

 

On 30 Dec 2020, at 14:08, Larry Salibra <larry@...> wrote:

Hi Dirk,

Sula (SM 140) also has a Beta 60 fitted by the previous owner. She has the standard 70 amp 12v insulated return alternator and the 24v 60amp insulated return secondary alternator. No adjustments were made to oil and fuel filters.

Larry
SM140 Sula
Hong Kong

 

 

 


 


 
Re: Placement of Beta 60 in an Amel Maramu #replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Eric, it wasn't an hours issue. What caused its demise was the misunderstanding about rpm. It was maxing at 2800 rpm under load and the consensus on the forum was that there must be something wrong since under no load it would easily do 4000. Many of us tried to resolve what wasn't an issue. So when after about 2 years and 25000 sailing miles suddenly it would rev up to  3500 under load I thought it had resolved whatever was wrong. HOWEVER 2800rpm was the correct max under load and the ability to rev higher was caused by a jammed wastegate on the turbo. This is intended to open progressively to reduce the boost as revs increase.  So with it jammed closed the boost pressure was excessive, hence the higher revs achieved. Not that I ran it at high revs a lot, but over several years the excess pressure damaged the rings and pistons and eventually I couldn't get better than 2200 rpm under load. I tried everything without success including quite a lot of Volvo specialist time. So one day, having had the engineer on board yet again I said b....it and ordered a new one. In retrospect it would have made more sense to do a recondition on the TMD22 since I had replaced most of the bolt ons.

So you TMD owners. 2800 load rpm is correct and if you are getting more, check the waste gate.

Happy New Year to you all

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 31 December 2020 at 17:22 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

How many hours were on your engine before you replaced it?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 1:00 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Placement of Beta 60 in an Amel Maramu #replacement

 

Hi. The Beta spunds a good option. However I repkced my tmd22 with  volvo d275 and with 1300 hpurs up it is going well. Plus points. It has significantly more torque. Even with the propellor barnacle encrusted it pulls its standard 3000 rpm. Existing gearbox bolted on. Enging mount hole  positioning was identical, fitted perfectly onto the egine bearers. All we had to do was make new forward end spacers to align the engine. Could not have been easier.

It is significantly lighter than the tmd22 and this shows in the fore aft trim. It is a turbo. But no timing belt. It is a push rod engine, not ohc. I did not make up the spacer alignment tool for this job, nor for the engine mout repacement this year. No difficulties at all. Nil vibration.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl

On 30 December 2020 at 16:35 "michael winand via groups.io" <mfw642000@...> wrote:

The Beta 60 has more torque than the tmd22. The hp is measured at the gearbox output 
I would say that the Beta 60 has the same power as the tmd22 but lower in the rev range. My cruising revs is around 1800 and 6kn  flat out 2200 and 7.5 kn in flat calm water. 30kn wind on the nose would be 4kn 

The cubic capacity makes a difference.  It is nice to have no  turbo  and no timing belt. 

Michael Nebo sm251 

 

 

 

On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 at 1:03 pm, Germain Jean-Pierre

<jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hello Larry on Sulawesi,

 

Is the Beta 60 sufficient for an SM?  A

2

Curious as I would like a non TC engine when I have to replace my Volvo TDM22.

 

Kind regards,

 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ

 



On 30 Dec 2020, at 14:08, Larry Salibra <larry@...> wrote:

Hi Dirk,

Sula (SM 140) also has a Beta 60 fitted by the previous owner. She has the standard 70 amp 12v insulated return alternator and the 24v 60amp insulated return secondary alternator. No adjustments were made to oil and fuel filters.

Larry
SM140 Sula
Hong Kong

 

 



 


 
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