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TMD22 stainless steel muffler diagrams?
Ryan Meador
Hi all, Our stainless muffler has started to rust out, and I'd like to replace it while I'm also replacing the turbo and mixing elbow. I'd rather not go with the plastic Vetus that seems to be the go-to; I really like the step. I'm considering having a new one fabricated. To that end, does anyone have technical drawings of the internal structure of this muffler? Thanks, Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
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Re: Lubricant Oil for the z drive
PAOLO CUNEO
Bill, Ulrich, Eric,
Thank you very much for your immediate help and the ensuing focus which enabled me to “unlock” the maintenance operations at the yard Best to you all Paolo SM 454 Whisper Inviato da iPad
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Re: Mizzen furler gearbox, A54 peculiarity?
I don't know, but I can guess. I think Amel used that same "mechanical furl" gearbox with some vertical electric furling motors (later model 54 main furler). This may be the reason the drain holes were taken away.  Bill
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:50 AM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
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Re: Mizzen furler gearbox, A54 peculiarity?
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Thomas;
We had the same stiffening within a year of purchasing Kokomo. It got progressively worse to a point that we felt we may be damaging the gears by placing the amount of force required to furl and unfurl. I removed the gear box and found, as you did, a lot of water inside the box. We were in a situation that we did not have enough time to try and figure out how to get into the gear box and find a permanent solution. We drained it, let it dry out in the sun for a day and sprayed a good amount CorrosionX inside a temporary measure. That was four years ago and the furler has been super smooth since.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Sv Garulfo via groups.io
Hi all,
In the great document by Gary Silver about the overhaul of the SM Mizzen furler gearbox (thanks Arno for sending us a low bandwidth friendly version), it is mentioned that the bottom part of the gearbox housing is drilled with 2 holes that are used to both unscrew that part (with great efforts) and drain the gearbox of liquids.
As our gearbox got stiffer recently, I removed it and it appears that those 2 holes are not through openings.. thus not acting as drains. And the gearbox was full of rainwater up to the attachment bolts. Arno tells me he saw the same. So the teflon bushing got very dirty and stiff with all sorts of deposits.
Does anybody know why the drains are no longer machined through? Is it an A54 “innovation”? It doesn’t really make sense and I’m thinking of drilling those holes all the way through to reinstate the drain. Any word of advice against that idea?
Thanks for your input
Best,
Thomas GARULFO A54-122 Tahuata, French Polynesia
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Re: sonic speed on SM 2000
Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Hello, As the old B&G Hydra system gave up on our 54, and also the sonic speed system failed. I did not see a reasonable way to go on and repair the old system. So we renewed the windvane and use Triton2 instruments. To replace the sonic speed sensor, we choosed the Airmar DST800 tridata sensor. It fits in the through hull of the old deapth sensor and givs all, speed, deapth, sea temperature. With that renewal comes an NMEA2k bus and all the old Hydra central cpu and extension processor and all the wiring goes off. In that way we did not need to drill a new throughull and keapt the compfortable sonic speed without paddle wheel. Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54#39 Martinique
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Mizzen furler gearbox, A54 peculiarity?
Sv Garulfo
Hi all, In the great document by Gary Silver about the overhaul of the SM Mizzen furler gearbox (thanks Arno for sending us a low bandwidth friendly version), it is mentioned that the bottom part of the gearbox housing is drilled with 2 holes that are used to both unscrew that part (with great efforts) and drain the gearbox of liquids. As our gearbox got stiffer recently, I removed it and it appears that those 2 holes are not through openings.. thus not acting as drains. And the gearbox was full of rainwater up to the attachment bolts. Arno tells me he saw the same. So the teflon bushing got very dirty and stiff with all sorts of deposits. Does anybody know why the drains are no longer machined through? Is it an A54 “innovation”? It doesn’t really make sense and I’m thinking of drilling those holes all the way through to reinstate the drain. Any word of advice against that idea? Thanks for your input Best, Thomas GARULFO A54-122 Tahuata, French Polynesia
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Re: Lubricant Oil for the z drive
Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
Thank you Bill for this final and extensive clarification. Now, everything is clear.
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Best Regards Ulrich <> Am 13.05.2020 um 16:21 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:
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Re: sonic speed on SM 2000
Marco, I sent you an email with the instructions you need. Bill
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:55 AM Marco Mancini <marcomancini61@...> wrote:
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Re: Lubricant Oil for the z drive
Thierry BALLARD is a good man and a valuable resource to Amel and Amel yacht owners. I like him a lot, but if he told you this, it is not the practice of the Amel yards and it is not what is specified in an Owners Manual which was written at the time that Amel switched. About the time that Amel began producing the 55, Amel yards began using 80/90 gear oil that Amel specified in the Amel 55 manual for the C-Drive (photo below). I personally audited Amel employees servicing an Amel 54, changing the C-Drive seals, wear bushing, and oil. They used 80/90 gear oil (photo below). I specifically asked about this and they said they were instructed by Amel to use 80/90 gear oil for all C-drive models. Two years later, I audited them again, and again the same 80/90 gear oil was being used by Amel. I took the below photo of the oil being used by Amel. Note the red circle to the left. There was a PVC pipe, valve, and hose attached to this container. The Amel technician placed the container on the cockpit floor, ran the hose to the C-Drive reservoir, and opened the tap. The exact amount of oil was in the container. I apologize that I did not get a better photo of the PVC pipe and hose, but I am sure that you get the idea.  The following is a page from the Amel 55 manual: 
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Re: Lubricant Oil for the "C" (not z) drive
Ultich and Pat - Here is what Olivier Beaute had to say on the subject 4 years ago.
Craig Beaute Olivier
04/11/16 #26221
Hi Bill,
the C-drive has been designed by AMEL in 1989. There has been 3 different designs for the Santorin and Super Maramu, only one for the 54. Until the last 54, AMEL has recommended to use 20W40 oil only because that's the kind of oil you usually have on board (for engine and generator) if you need to top up the C-drive tank. And that would avoid having two kinds of oil on board. In fact, this C-drive did not need this kind of oil (20W40) as it is made for high temperatures (that you find in a diesel engine). The C-drive oil rarely warms up more than 70°C.
Now, the manufacturer of the C-drive has changed and recommends the 80/90, and probably would deny warranty if this kind of oil is not used.
Again, in order to make things more simple, AMEL decided to use 80/90 gear oil for the new models, but also when they replace the oil in the older C-drives. I have seen Super Maramu's C-drives with SAE 80/90 oil replaced by the AMEL service team in La Rochelle (with the label mentioning the grade of oil and the engine hours attached to the C-drive tank).
So, if you (AMEL owners) replace oil in the C-drive, it's OK with 20W40 or 80/90. Don't mix both oils, but in case you do the of oil service of your C-drive, if you don't find one kind of oil, you may replace it with the other kind.
The 55 and 64 owners will just follow what they are told in their owner's manual (SAE 80/90).
Cheers.
Olivier.
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Re: Replacement of carpets in SM
Linda Melton <lindajmelton@...>
We did exactly the same. One thing we learnt was to check the underside of the carpet. The one we bought shed a whole lot of the fabric binding material and we were forever sweeping and hoovering the bits. Also, non slip is important, in a seaway you can easily find the carpet moving under your feet ( and it also creeps in the passage way with normal traffic). We ended up only putting the carpet down while anchored or in a marina.
Ian Ocean Hobo. SN96. (Still locked down and locked out.)
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Re: sonic speed on SM 2000
Given the length of the sensors and the (guestimated) diameter of the hole I would say the sensors are self-aligning just because of the fit.
Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Lubricant Oil for the z drive
Patrick McAneny
Bill, I thought that was only for the bow thruster , now for the C-Drive as well? I have still been using 20-40.
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM#123
-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lubricant Oil for the z drive Paolo,
About 4-5 years ago Amel revised the type of oil for the Amel C-Drive to 80/90 Gear Oil
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:31 AM PAOLO CUNEO <pc43ge@...> wrote:
hi all,
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Re: Replacement of carpets in SM
Patrick McAneny
We did the same as Gary ,making a template and cutting the carpet,then had the binding done, I think I undercut the carpet about 3/16" to allow for binding. We were surprise how well it all fit,as good as original. Not a hard job ,maybe a few hours,spent more time selecting the carpet,we went with a berber ,as the pile was short . Its been in about seven years and still looks great.
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
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From: Gary Wells <gary@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 9:36 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Replacement of carpets in SM Alexander, I am of no help in France but we made our own replacements without too much trouble.
We made a template.from large wrapping paper then bought a "remnant" piece from a big-box store. Cutting it with a box cutter was not too hard, just have to be careful. Once we had the pieces cut out we took them to a real "Carpeting and Flooring" store and asked them to "Bind" the edges which they did nicely in only a couple of days. We learned that the "Binding" process adds a small amount of extra material to the edges so our pieces were just a tiny bit too big but still fit ok. I think we will do it again this summer as the first attempt was mostly an experiment anyway. It was not very expensive overall. Best wishes! Gary W SM 209, Adagio Georgia, USA
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Re: sonic speed on SM 2000
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Mohammad,
The serial number is 184-00-076/F.
I have no way of knowing that the existing ones are identical, but I believe there was an earlier forum discussion on this confirming this serial number.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 12 May 2020 23:52 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sonic speed on SM 2000
Thanks for the information Paul. Have you checked and confirmed the S/N to be sure this is the correct part for the 54s?
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown via groups.io
I just got replacements from here:
They were delivered to the UK. I Have not used them yet but they look to be correct.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marco Mancini
On our SM the sonic speed, the one with the two sensors, that is connected to Hydra 200 is giving zero speed on the hydra 2000 monitor.
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: sonic speed on SM 2000
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Arno,
This is good info. Should there be any precautions taken to ensure they are correctly aligned?
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten
Sent: 13 May 2020 11:12 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sonic speed on SM 2000
Hi Marco, I’m guessing the sensor is pushed in the hole bedded in Sikaflex. So I’m sure it will be a pig to remove once the time comes. I guess the best way is by drilling a hole in the face of the sensor and putting in a large screw to get some leverage to pull it out. Remember to tie a piece of string to the other end to feed in the new sensor once the old one is out. -- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: sonic speed on SM 2000
Hi Marco, I’m guessing the sensor is pushed in the hole bedded in Sikaflex. So I’m sure it will be a pig to remove once the time comes. I guess the best way is by drilling a hole in the face of the sensor and putting in a large screw to get some leverage to pull it out. Remember to tie a piece of string to the other end to feed in the new sensor once the old one is out.
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Re: Lubricant Oil for the z drive
Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
Hi, Paolo and Bill, that's very interesting: last year before my oil change in the Z-drive I asked AMEL SAV , Thierry, for the exact amount and specification. Next to the oil reservoir in the engine room at the bulkhead, there is a sign on my 54 with the strict indication of 20W- 4o oil. Thierry confirmed this as a directly recommended oil type. This specification is not very popular and one could also switch to 15W-40. The total quantity is 8 litres. So I ordered the 20W-40 oil (semi-synthetic and especially for marine use) from a German oil company in the web and did the oil change with it. Bill, obviously you have some other service information, or does it only concern the SM Z-Drives? That would be important for me to know too. Thanks for clarification. Best regards and stay healthy. Ulrich Michael "Soleil Bleu" /54#088
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Re: sonic speed on SM 2000
Marco Mancini
Dear Paul and Arno,
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thanks for your usefull info. Do you have also examined how to remove the old sensor ( the aft one) and its cable? its frontal part with the probe seems to be glued in the front part pf the keel. cheers Marco SM Desiree , Italy , Naples
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thanks Teun, Danny
On 13 May 2020 at 10:24 Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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