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Re: water pump not stopping

 

Christian,

If you have the original Amel-installed pump, I believe it is very likely that the Pressure switch needs replacing. If you have any other pump, it is possible that the pressure switch needs replacing. 

However, because it works with high current, it is possible that you have loose or corroded electrical connections which are increasing resistance that the high current will overcome.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:46 AM Christian Rabaron <christianrabaron@...> wrote:
I have the same problem on my SM 187 But the difference is that the pump stops normally when I am on the 220 V circuit ( quay plug ) or when my 24 V circuit is high voltage ( 27 V or over )but in that case the problem comes back after a while .
Actually the pump works normally only on 220 V supply and as soon as we sail with the 24 V only we have to swtich off the pump from the 24 V electric board over the sink ant ot put in on when we need water .
Anybody has an idea to solve the problem ?
Thks
Christian Rabaron
SM Amadeus
Cap d'Agde / France 


water pump not stopping

Christian Rabaron
 

I have the same problem on my SM 187 But the difference is that the pump stops normally when I am on the 220 V circuit ( quay plug ) or when my 24 V circuit is high voltage ( 27 V or over )but in that case the problem comes back after a while .
Actually the pump works normally only on 220 V supply and as soon as we sail with the 24 V only we have to swtich off the pump from the 24 V electric board over the sink ant ot put in on when we need water .
Anybody has an idea to solve the problem ?
Thks
Christian Rabaron
SM Amadeus
Cap d'Agde / France 


Re: Freshwater pump doesn't stop running

Craig Briggs
 

Under Bills "#7 - Something else" we had a failed hose clamp where the pump output hose connected to the copper pipe that runs along the hull to serve the faucets. It was buried in the engine room insulation and very difficult to spot as it started as a very slow leak so the dripping was not apparent. Finally it started flowing enough that I spotted the wet insulation and then found the corroded hose clamp (jubilee clip).
--
Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris / SN68  Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Freshwater pump doesn't stop running

 

Alex,

Since you did not say which pump you have, I assume that you have the Amel-installed freshwater pump.

The causes, in order of probability, can be:
  1. A tap or valve is open. Check all including the Rinse Valve auto and manual for the water maker
  2. The one-way valve is leaking water back into the water tank - replace it
  3. The pressure switch orfice is clogged - clean or replace the switch
  4. There is a suction-side leak
  5. The pressure switch needs adjustment - adjust according to manufacturer's instructions
  6. The impeller is loose or needs replacing
  7. Something else
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:09 AM Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Check the pressure switch.
Or maybe the pump never makes the pressure for the switch to act.
You can adjust the pressure on off levels and use the gauge to note the levels required.
If the pump keeps pumping and the pressure continually rises it is the switch.
If the pump never makes the set pressure you need to figure out what is happening, maybe a leaking valve??

Nick 
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019



On 18 Mar 2022, at 00:27, Alexander Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...> wrote:

Dear Amelians, 
the freshwater pump that seats above the small water tank in the engine room doesn't stop working. I still get freshwater everywhere on the boat, but I have to switch of the pump off on the 24V panel. Any ideas / tips how to tackle the issue? 
Thank you!
Alex
SV NO STRESS 
AMEL54#15


Re: Freshwater pump doesn't stop running

Peter Forbes
 

We used a bicycle pump - I think its a Schrader valve.

Peter Forbes
Carango - Amel 54 #035
Lymington UK

On 18 Mar 2022, at 13:26, Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:


Hi Porter,

Is there a process to re pressurise the air side of the accumulator tank? (tools, procedure).
It feels the pump is cycling on/off more frequently (like 1s on, 1s off) nowadays when one tap in open, so I think the pressure on the air side is too low. 

Thanks!

Best,
Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54-122
Fakarava, French Polynesia 

On 17 Mar 2022, at 17:22, Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

Alex
I agree with Wolfgang.  Definitely the first place to check.  Often cleaning the pressure plates (24 pump switch off!) and then corrosion x’ing them will lubricate and prevent future issues.  Often there is a small metal tab on the side of the Square D pressure switch with will “reset the switch”. Check for that.  Then get to know how it works.  Pressure cutoff etc.  Since it is an accumulator tank, get to know that as well.  Inattention can damage the tank, with too little pressure on the air side.  
It's a bit confusing at first, but understandable with some reading.

Best of luck.
Porter
A54-152 IBIS

On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Wolfgang Weber <weberamel54@...> wrote:

Alex,
it is the pressure switch . To solve it you may clean it from debits and rust and/or  buy a new one from internet 30 €. I think there is previous mail and pictures in the forum.
Best regards Wolfgang SY ELISE Amel 54 #162


Re: Freshwater pump doesn't stop running

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Porter,

Is there a process to re pressurise the air side of the accumulator tank? (tools, procedure).
It feels the pump is cycling on/off more frequently (like 1s on, 1s off) nowadays when one tap in open, so I think the pressure on the air side is too low. 

Thanks!

Best,
Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54-122
Fakarava, French Polynesia 

On 17 Mar 2022, at 17:22, Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

Alex
I agree with Wolfgang.  Definitely the first place to check.  Often cleaning the pressure plates (24 pump switch off!) and then corrosion x’ing them will lubricate and prevent future issues.  Often there is a small metal tab on the side of the Square D pressure switch with will “reset the switch”. Check for that.  Then get to know how it works.  Pressure cutoff etc.  Since it is an accumulator tank, get to know that as well.  Inattention can damage the tank, with too little pressure on the air side.  
It's a bit confusing at first, but understandable with some reading.

Best of luck.
Porter
A54-152 IBIS

On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Wolfgang Weber <weberamel54@...> wrote:

Alex,
it is the pressure switch . To solve it you may clean it from debits and rust and/or  buy a new one from internet 30 €. I think there is previous mail and pictures in the forum.
Best regards Wolfgang SY ELISE Amel 54 #162


Re: Solution for rusted manual mail foil gearbox and torn foil.

 

Eric,

The foil is long enough to trim that much off several times. Most of the time the foil fails at the collar caused by jamming the mainsail, usually because of batten jam. Yours appears to be a slow-wearing and elongation of the bolt hole in the foil from use.

The V-Seal needs to be changed about every 5-6 years.

Everyone reading this should go to their mainmast foil and twist it to see if there is any movement between the foil and the collar. If there is, it might be time to trim the base of the foil by about 50mm.

For more information, read this:


Test this before it fails. The solution is easy if found before it fails. 

Bill




CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:54 PM Eric Freedman <kimberlite.ef@...> wrote:

I found it extremely difficult to furl the main. After I dropped the motor, I found the culprit was the manual gearbox.

I disassembled it and found that the tapered roller bearing was completely rusted solid- shame on me.

Rebuilding the gearbox was straight forward with the tools on board. Removing the outer part of the split bearing and re installing it was very time consuming.

 

The foil was a disaster as per the photos above. I took the gearbox to a local machinist and had him make a section the diameter of the foil and would drop into the gearbox. He then enlarged the diameter to that of the collar of the gearbox and the length of the piece of foil that I cut off. I mounted it with socked head cap bolts as the foil holes were close together.  Two bolts I believe are better than one.

 

I drilled and tapped the gearbox for a nylon bolt that fits the Auto prop adapter. ( last photo) By removing one bolt that hold the manual fuller collar in place the grease can exit through the bolt hole.

Initially I left the bolt in place and filled the gearbox until the grease came out from around the oil seal. Now I will just top it up every so often.

I now have the grease fittings on all the gearboxes and the genoa furler.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: tb/JORDAN DRGUE/AYOG

Ruslan Osmonov
 

Hi Peter, if you mean to make a Y like bridle between two cleats, with one leg way longer (to amidship cleat), I don't think it will be as strong of a solution, because the weakest link will become the inner cleat. Plus you have new Dyneema line as an extra point of failure. If I'm to think in your line of thought I would think to run a line from aft cleat all the way to fore cleat and then back on the outside and then attach JSD bridle (aft of the boat) but then I wont be able to monitor that connection for chafe as it will be out of reach. 

i.e. looks like we are still with aft cleats solution for now :)


Re: Freshwater pump doesn't stop running

Nick Newington
 

Check the pressure switch.
Or maybe the pump never makes the pressure for the switch to act.
You can adjust the pressure on off levels and use the gauge to note the levels required.
If the pump keeps pumping and the pressure continually rises it is the switch.
If the pump never makes the set pressure you need to figure out what is happening, maybe a leaking valve??

Nick 
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019



On 18 Mar 2022, at 00:27, Alexander Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...> wrote:

Dear Amelians, 
the freshwater pump that seats above the small water tank in the engine room doesn't stop working. I still get freshwater everywhere on the boat, but I have to switch of the pump off on the 24V panel. Any ideas / tips how to tackle the issue? 
Thank you!
Alex
SV NO STRESS 
AMEL54#15


Re: tb/JORDAN DRGUE/AYOG

Micky Ball
 

Hi Porter , your idea sounds good , would you be able to post a drawing please.

    Thanks 

Micky Ball 
VERY SOON to be new Santorin Owner 


Re: Freshwater pump doesn't stop running

Slavko Despotovic
 

On my Amel I have freshwater pump made by CEM model PB/2X from Italy. It starter to leak at the 24V motor. Is there any repair kit available. I check web but could not find anything. I do not even know if this is the original one. I have seen similar on other Amel. Any suggestions?

Thank you.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: Freshwater pump doesn't stop running

Porter McRoberts
 

Alex
I agree with Wolfgang.  Definitely the first place to check.  Often cleaning the pressure plates (24 pump switch off!) and then corrosion x’ing them will lubricate and prevent future issues.  Often there is a small metal tab on the side of the Square D pressure switch with will “reset the switch”. Check for that.  Then get to know how it works.  Pressure cutoff etc.  Since it is an accumulator tank, get to know that as well.  Inattention can damage the tank, with too little pressure on the air side.  
It's a bit confusing at first, but understandable with some reading.

Best of luck.
Porter
A54-152 IBIS

On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Wolfgang Weber <weberamel54@...> wrote:

Alex,
it is the pressure switch . To solve it you may clean it from debits and rust and/or  buy a new one from internet 30 €. I think there is previous mail and pictures in the forum.
Best regards Wolfgang SY ELISE Amel 54 #162


Re: Freshwater pump doesn't stop running

Wolfgang Weber
 

Alex,
it is the pressure switch . To solve it you may clean it from debits and rust and/or  buy a new one from internet 30 €. I think there is previous mail and pictures in the forum.
Best regards Wolfgang SY ELISE Amel 54 #162


Re: tb/JORDAN DRGUE/AYOG

Porter McRoberts
 

Hello All.

I’ve thought about this a bit.  Luckily never had to deploy our JSD.  BUT, Have been thinking of an easy yoke out of dynama: which we cary a bit of on the boat.  A sling between the aft cleat and the next aft let on the same side.  Find the point where the two are equally loaded and then tie a knot in the sling, so that both cleats are as equally loaded as possible.  The knot is required so as there is no sawing through the bridle attachment of the JSD.  Our aft cleats are pretty beefy, but if you get underneath, its easy to acknowledge, they could fail.  I think a pair of cleats (simultaneously loaded) on each side, as described would be better, but would love other thoughts on the proposed.  

If it's hard to imagine I can try and describe better, or make a drawing.

Many thanks,

Porter
A54-152 IBIS
Newcastle, Aus.

On Mar 18, 2022, at 8:07 AM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Hi Ruslan,
 
I am REALLY planning with my “weather planning” on NOT having to use this device at all – hahahahahaha but that’s impossible. To answer your question: at this point I am forced to use the aft cleats as I have no special purposed chain plates for the drogue. Once I have taken care of a bunch of other priorities on the boat I might look if I can re-enforce the aft cleats.
 
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT  A54  #128
 
HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
March 17, 2022 14:06:22
 
You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
 
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ruslan Osmonov via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 05:44
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/JORDAN DRGUE/AYOG
 

Hi, do you plan to install chain plates for it or use aft cleats? 

I know Eric uses aft cleats, but he also reinforced them from the factory for exactly that reason. 

what do other Amel owners do? It seems like aft cleats, since I’m yet to see one an Amel with chain plates for a drogue. 



Freshwater pump doesn't stop running

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Dear Amelians, 
the freshwater pump that seats above the small water tank in the engine room doesn't stop working. I still get freshwater everywhere on the boat, but I have to switch of the pump off on the 24V panel. Any ideas / tips how to tackle the issue? 
Thank you!
Alex
SV NO STRESS 
AMEL54#15


Solution for rusted manual mail foil gearbox and torn foil.

Eric Freedman
 

I found it extremely difficult to furl the main. After I dropped the motor, I found the culprit was the manual gearbox.

I disassembled it and found that the tapered roller bearing was completely rusted solid- shame on me.

Rebuilding the gearbox was straight forward with the tools on board. Removing the outer part of the split bearing and re installing it was very time consuming.

 

The foil was a disaster as per the photos above. I took the gearbox to a local machinist and had him make a section the diameter of the foil and would drop into the gearbox. He then enlarged the diameter to that of the collar of the gearbox and the length of the piece of foil that I cut off. I mounted it with socked head cap bolts as the foil holes were close together.  Two bolts I believe are better than one.

 

I drilled and tapped the gearbox for a nylon bolt that fits the Auto prop adapter. ( last photo) By removing one bolt that hold the manual fuller collar in place the grease can exit through the bolt hole.

Initially I left the bolt in place and filled the gearbox until the grease came out from around the oil seal. Now I will just top it up every so often.

I now have the grease fittings on all the gearboxes and the genoa furler.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: tb/JORDAN DRGUE/AYOG

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Ruslan,

 

I am REALLY planning with my “weather planning” on NOT having to use this device at all – hahahahahaha but that’s impossible. To answer your question: at this point I am forced to use the aft cleats as I have no special purposed chain plates for the drogue. Once I have taken care of a bunch of other priorities on the boat I might look if I can re-enforce the aft cleats.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

March 17, 2022 14:06:22

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ruslan Osmonov via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 05:44
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/JORDAN DRGUE/AYOG

 

Hi, do you plan to install chain plates for it or use aft cleats? 

I know Eric uses aft cleats, but he also reinforced them from the factory for exactly that reason. 

what do other Amel owners do? It seems like aft cleats, since I’m yet to see one an Amel with chain plates for a drogue. 


Re: Metal strip in bilge sump A54

 

Ruslan,

I believe that there are several causes:
  1. Amel uses a thin copper foil
  2. The gray PVC Float Switch Pipe will chafe the foil
  3. Many owners choose to add chemicals caustic to copper to the gray water bilge rather than clean it.
  4. Nothing lasts forever, especially in a marine environment.
Solutions:
  1. Use copper bar according to the instructions in my book
  2. You may want to cut a notch in the bottom of the gray PVC pipe so that the pipe cannot chafe the copper (If you do this, please email me a photo)
  3. Do not use chlorine tablets or anything else caustic in the gray water bilge
  4. Clean the gray water bilge and inspect the copper every 90 days of use.
One other thing. A few Amel owners try to solve all of the causes by using stainless steel. Please do not do that because copper is much more conductive than stainless steel.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:15 AM Ruslan Osmonov <rosmonov@...> wrote:
Hi, does anyone know what causes this failure? I see it happens for many over time, beside from visual inspection is there way to periodically check ground connection and it’s continuity? 


Re: tb/JORDAN DRGUE/AYOG

Ruslan Osmonov
 

Hi, do you plan to install chain plates for it or use aft cleats? 

I know Eric uses aft cleats, but he also reinforced them from the factory for exactly that reason. 

what do other Amel owners do? It seems like aft cleats, since I’m yet to see one an Amel with chain plates for a drogue. 


Re: Metal strip in bilge sump A54

Ruslan Osmonov
 

Hi, does anyone know what causes this failure? I see it happens for many over time, beside from visual inspection is there way to periodically check ground connection and it’s continuity? 

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