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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, Paul just caught that oversight on my part.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2018 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

 
Pat,
I am not on the boat however i believe the main outhaul should have one eye splice.
Otherwise the line can not be threaded through the brackets on the port side of the boom.
Eric
Sm376 Kimberlite


On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 01:37 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
I thought I would pass this along. I just ordered from West  Marine ,New England V100 Vectran double braid 12mm for $2.75/ft. That is 50% off there normal price of $5.59. So it was a good time to replace the outhaul , having two eyes spliced in ,didn't ask about price on that.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2018 9:30 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

 
Miles,

For any of the main outhaul, traveler or jib car control lines Kevlar, Spectra or Vectran core line is essential. Stretch is the enemy of performance in this application.

I tried 10mm OD Kelvar core line and found it insufficient for the use on the Andersen line tender drum. It consistently slipped under load. 12mm kevlar core works fine.  It doesn't surprise me since Andersen specifies that these drums are to be used only with 12 mm line.

I can only say what I found on my boat.  If 10mm OD Kevlar core line works for you, or has some advantages over the larger line that I do not understand, then do not let me talk you out of it. It is entirely possible that I missed some vital setup detail that would have made 10mm line work. 

I adjust the position of the traveler and outhaul quite a bit when sailing.  Having the control line slip when trying t o pull the traveler to windward is a real pain in the neck.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul, Good thought , I suppose that is why I have a knot now, good catch ! Diane saw you on AIS and  that you are almost back on the Sassafras.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2018 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

 
Befor doing two splices you have to do the second one when the line is attached and through the block at the end of the boom. Suggest one splice and one knot.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: Maramu pole setup

Alan Leslie
 

Miles,
Do you not have the AMEL Manual that came with the boat that explains how to do it ?

Ours is SM2000, but it should be pretty much the same I would think.
'
You should have 6 lines, 2 blue, 2 red and 2 yellow.
With the pole mounted up and folded back, hanging from the rail :
Blue is the foreguy...from the pole end plate that will end up being fwd, forward through the block at the stanchion base at the fwd locker and back to the cleat on the cabin top.
Red is the afterguy ... from the aft pole end plate to the cleat outside the aft cabin.
Yellow is the down haul .... from the bottom pole plate  to the cleat opposite the mast base.
The topping lift is white and already rigged on the mast...take the shackle end to the uppermost plate on the boom end.
All our ropes have tape on them to indicate approximately where they should be tied off.
Take the port side genoa sheet out of the genoa car, take it forward and outside of everything and thread it through the end of the pole and to the block that takes the genoa sheet to the winch .... leave plenty of slack in it.

To launch it all
Lift up the topping lift until the pole end is at about chest height for the person that's going to push it out.
Go forward and take the blue line and 1,2,3 GO....the person at the cockpit pushes the pole out, the one with blue rope pulls like fury as the pole is swung out. Cleat it off quickly once the pole is out and the red line taut.

Now you adjust all the lines to get the pole horizontal. Then you can unfurl the genoa.

Same procedure for the ballooner  which you hoist on its special halyard with its hook on the stbd side slot of the headsail foil The hook secures itself at the top of the foil and the halyard is retrieved. Secure the tack at the deck before pulling out the sheet. Thread the ballooner sheet through the end of the pole through the block to the starboard winch and then push the pole out etc....

Getting the ballooner down involves using the dehooker which is attached to the ballooner halyard and pulled up the third slot in the foil. It releases the ballooner hook and the ballooner luff will collapse down the foil. Pull down the dehooker etc etc....

My manual is about 17Mb...too big for the files section on the forum. I will see if I can scan the relevant pages and post them as a file...pictures are worth a thousand words.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mystery Maramu object

smiles bernard
 

Thanks Dennis that’s very helpful
I’ll take the wheel off and see what’s currently in place. I suspect there is a missing part or else I suspect it would have been be reassembled 
Many thanks for your help
All the best
Miles


On 16 Aug 2018, at 17:14, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yes, I believe you are correct that it is the helm brake but it looks like the reason it is not where it belongs is because it is missing the block that the screw presses against the steering shaft.  Don't reassemble before replacing that block (it'll be flat on one side for the screw and curved on the other for the shaft.

Dennis
Libertad
Maramu #121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

Eric Freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

Paul Osterberg
 

Befor doing two splices you have to do the second one when the line is attached and through the block at the end of the boom. Suggest one splice and one knot.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

Patrick McAneny
 

Just checked ,the only other size on sale is 6mm for 66% off. Is the traveler for the main also 12mm , if so I will replace it while it is half price?
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2018 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

 
I thought I would pass this along. I just ordered from West  Marine ,New England V100 Vectran double braid 12mm for $2.75/ft. That is 50% off there normal price of $5.59. So it was a good time to replace the outhaul , having two eyes spliced in ,didn't ask about price on that.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2018 9:30 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

 
Miles,

For any of the main outhaul, traveler or jib car control lines Kevlar, Spectra or Vectran core line is essential. Stretch is the enemy of performance in this application.

I tried 10mm OD Kelvar core line and found it insufficient for the use on the Andersen line tender drum. It consistently slipped under load. 12mm kevlar core works fine.  It doesn't surprise me since Andersen specifies that these drums are to be used only with 12 mm line.

I can only say what I found on my boat.  If 10mm OD Kevlar core line works for you, or has some advantages over the larger line that I do not understand, then do not let me talk you out of it. It is entirely possible that I missed some vital setup detail that would have made 10mm line work. 

I adjust the position of the traveler and outhaul quite a bit when sailing.  Having the control line slip when trying t o pull the traveler to windward is a real pain in the neck.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

Patrick McAneny
 

I thought I would pass this along. I just ordered from West  Marine ,New England V100 Vectran double braid 12mm for $2.75/ft. That is 50% off there normal price of $5.59. So it was a good time to replace the outhaul , having two eyes spliced in ,didn't ask about price on that.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2018 9:30 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

 
Miles,

For any of the main outhaul, traveler or jib car control lines Kevlar, Spectra or Vectran core line is essential. Stretch is the enemy of performance in this application.

I tried 10mm OD Kelvar core line and found it insufficient for the use on the Andersen line tender drum. It consistently slipped under load. 12mm kevlar core works fine.  It doesn't surprise me since Andersen specifies that these drums are to be used only with 12 mm line.

I can only say what I found on my boat.  If 10mm OD Kevlar core line works for you, or has some advantages over the larger line that I do not understand, then do not let me talk you out of it. It is entirely possible that I missed some vital setup detail that would have made 10mm line work. 

I adjust the position of the traveler and outhaul quite a bit when sailing.  Having the control line slip when trying t o pull the traveler to windward is a real pain in the neck.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: Mystery Maramu object

sbmesasailor
 

Yes, I believe you are correct that it is the helm brake but it looks like the reason it is not where it belongs is because it is missing the block that the screw presses against the steering shaft.  Don't reassemble before replacing that block (it'll be flat on one side for the screw and curved on the other for the shaft.

Dennis
Libertad
Maramu #121


Maramu pole setup

smiles bernard
 

Hello folks

I’m about to try setting up our downwind rig for the first time

In the locker I have found what look like lines for the one pole at least - one shorter red line and two longer blue lines - all with snap shackles.
If any owners of older Maramu have any hints and tips it’d be really helpful to learn from your experience
Also looks like I have longer Genoa sheets and wondering how folk route these? Shackle a block onto the rear lifting eye and run the sheets from sail through pole ends around aft block then straight onto winches?

Many thanks In advance

Miles
Maramu 162


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

 

Dana,

Is your new engine an isolated ground engine? 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 07:55 danderson10@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Porter,


I purchased Amel 54 #003 last September. On the delivery from Virginia to Maine the D3-110 died.  We were chugging along for 12 hours or so and then 'screech', stop. There was no coughing, sputtering, smoke or anything else. No error messages...dead. 

The next sign of trouble was when the yard suspected the timing belt slipped. They didn't really have much enthusiasm to work on it as they were totally unfamiliar with the D3. 

After a lot of research I have decided to replace the D3 with a Beta 85, which is an industrial Kubota engine that has been marinized. There is no high pressure common rail, no ECU, no sensors, no computer required for troubleshooting and no timing belt. This is the largest 'old school' engine I could get from Beta that would be legal. In other words, they have to bring the power down to be able to meet emission standards (US). Nanni has a 115 that is old school that they would be happy to sell me but for various reasons I went with the Beta. 

I am not suggesting you need to repower, I was in a unique position to make the decision in my home port and have a couple of years until I start cruising. Also, I'll mention that the previous owner had just finished a circumnavigation. It looked like the engine room had been thoroughly sprayed with salt water and never cleaned up. In addition to oil and coolant leaks, everything was covered with rust and corrosion. I ripped everything out including the engine, generator, water maker, lots of wiring, hot water heater, etc. Thus began a major refit which is still in progress.

PS: Don't forget to change your timing belt at the suggested intervals. I think its every 600 hours. Mine was way overdue.  Also interesting to note that this was the second D3 installed in this boat.

Best,
Dana Anderson
Amel 54 #003  'Pathfinder'






Re: Mystery Maramu object

Alejandro Paquin
 

Yes.It looks like the lock on the wheel.

Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Maramu #94, 1981


Amel meet-up

Patrick McAneny
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny
To: greatketch
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2018 8:42 am
Subject: Re: Amel meet-up

Bill, The dates are as stated in the previous post , but here is the plan again. Boats should plan to arrive in St. Michaels on or before Oct. 1 , that afternoon would be informal , dinghy about meet & greet .
 Oct. 2 we could gather for a pot luck lunch , last time Diane and I had everyone aboard for lunch. This year there will be too many for one boat , so perhaps two boats could raft up for lunch , volunteers ? That evening we would have dinner at the Crab Claw restaurant , meeting there at 6:15 - 6:30pm , I have reserved the back room for the evening , same room as last time. 
Oct.3 Pretty much a free day to tour boats , tour the town. Kent and Iris on Kristy has offered to have a party at Iris's house in St. Michaels that evening, this is not 100% confirmed yet ,as transportation would have to be arranged.
Oct. 4 th. We would sail off, Diane and I plan to sail over to Annapolis to attend the Boat Show the following day. It starts on Oct.4 to the 8th. If other boats plan to head for Annapolis , we could have a rally sailing in mass. This may be the largest collection of Amels in one location ever,outside of La Rochelle.
As to photos, I would be open to that. We also have a very good drone , a Mavic Pro 4k . Perhaps the video could be posted to the Amel facebook ? We are not too techie , but we need to learn how to share/send video .
In the next day or so we are going to post all the names of attendees. We need for everyone to email me direct and have their names taken off the list or add their names. We also need to have a head count for dinner , so everyone who plans to attend needs to give me the number of people . 
See ya there,
Pat & Diane,
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
To: Patrick Mcaneny <sailw32@...>
Cc: Karen <kls6917@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 11:32 pm
Subject: Re: Amel meet-up

Pat,

Do you have final dates for the October meet up? Anything we can do to help organize or arrange?

One thing that came up today here at the dock is the number of boatowners who would love to have—but don’t—pictures of their boats under sail. If you think it might be something the group might be interested in, we can contact the local photographers who specialize in boat photos and see what it might cost.  I assume if we split up the cost of their day, it might come in pretty reasonable on a per boat basis.

Bill Kinney
Karen Smith
S/V Harmonie



On Jun 4, 2018, at 13:41, Patrick Mcaneny <sailw32@...> wrote:

Bill, I will take that for a vote for Oct. , I am voting that why myself, think more can make.

Thanks ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
To: Patrick Mcaneny <sailw32@...>
Sent: Mon, Jun 4, 2018 10:10 am
Subject: Re: Amel meet-up

Pat,

Good on you for organizing a possible Amel meetup!

We just arrived in Annapolis and will be here for a few weeks before heading further north. Then we’ll be back in the Fall.

So right now, it looks like an August date is out for us, and the early October one would work.

Bill Kinney
S/V Harmonie


On May 11, 2018, at 16:44, Patrick Mcaneny <sailw32@...> wrote:

Bill, We will put you on the list of possible and keep you abreast of events
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
To: sailw32 <sailw32@...>
Sent: Fri, May 11, 2018 12:42 pm
Subject: Amel meet-up

Hi Pat,

This is from Bill & Karen on Harmonie…

We’ll be in the Chesapeake in early/mid June, and again in early October. If we are there when everybody is getting together, you can be sure we will find a way to be there.

Bill & Karen
Sm160, Harmonie
Rock Sound Harbor, Eleuthera, Bahamas





Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Dana Anderson
 

Hi Porter,

I purchased Amel 54 #003 last September. On the delivery from Virginia to Maine the D3-110 died.  We were chugging along for 12 hours or so and then 'screech', stop. There was no coughing, sputtering, smoke or anything else. No error messages...dead. 

The next sign of trouble was when the yard suspected the timing belt slipped. They didn't really have much enthusiasm to work on it as they were totally unfamiliar with the D3. 

After a lot of research I have decided to replace the D3 with a Beta 85, which is an industrial Kubota engine that has been marinized. There is no high pressure common rail, no ECU, no sensors, no computer required for troubleshooting and no timing belt. This is the largest 'old school' engine I could get from Beta that would be legal. In other words, they have to bring the power down to be able to meet emission standards (US). Nanni has a 115 that is old school that they would be happy to sell me but for various reasons I went with the Beta. 

I am not suggesting you need to repower, I was in a unique position to make the decision in my home port and have a couple of years until I start cruising. Also, I'll mention that the previous owner had just finished a circumnavigation. It looked like the engine room had been thoroughly sprayed with salt water and never cleaned up. In addition to oil and coolant leaks, everything was covered with rust and corrosion. I ripped everything out including the engine, generator, water maker, lots of wiring, hot water heater, etc. Thus began a major refit which is still in progress.

PS: Don't forget to change your timing belt at the suggested intervals. I think its every 600 hours. Mine was way overdue.  Also interesting to note that this was the second D3 installed in this boat.

Best,
Dana Anderson
Amel 54 #003  'Pathfinder'






Mystery Maramu object

smiles bernard
 

Hello 👋
Could anyone help identify this item?
My guess is the lock off on the steering hub as Sea Love is missing that screw/clamp option from her morse steering hub

But would value thoughts before I dismantle things!

Sea Love is a 1985 Maramu

Many thanks in advance

Miles


Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Alan Leslie
 

Black smoke is caused by unburnt carbon....oil burning is blue smoke.
Unburnt carbon usually indicates there is a blockage somewhere
Airfilter..you checked that
Injectors..you've done that.
Another thing could be too high back pressure in the exhaust.
Has the exhaust system been taken apart and checked to be sure it is relatively clean and free flowing?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Maskelyne Islands, Vanuatu


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator exhaust

michael winand
 

Thanks for your help. As it is winter here and not really sailing weather S 42deg.
I am going through the systems on board, maintaining and doing some upgrades.
251 is very original low use. Engine has 2700 hr genset we knew needed over haul at 1080 hours.
Watermaker has 189hrs..
She has new sails less than 1000miles.
I need to replace the standing rigging. Rigging original. Rigging report says that it is good. Insurance needs it replaced.
Need to replace the Bimini as it is also original.
I have great respect for the knowledge of the group.
Regards Michael 251


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator exhaust

Porter McRoberts
 

Third. 
Porter
A54-152


On Aug 15, 2018, at 8:29 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I second the recommendation for Bill Rouse.  
    John
SV Annie SM37
Le Marin

On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 9:10 PM pstas2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Michael,

I would highly recommend that you contact Bill Rouse,

He is a former Amel owner and major contributer on this forum.  He has a vast amount of knowledge and now runs and Amel School.  He will travel to your location.  You can contact him via his website.  www.amelschool.com

Good luck with your generator install.  We just recently completed the same project but we opted to go with the OEM Onan.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising New England

www.RitaKathryn.com


Oil Dipstick

Eric Freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator exhaust

John Clark
 

I second the recommendation for Bill Rouse.  
    John
SV Annie SM37
Le Marin

On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 9:10 PM pstas2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Michael,

I would highly recommend that you contact Bill Rouse,

He is a former Amel owner and major contributer on this forum.  He has a vast amount of knowledge and now runs and Amel School.  He will travel to your location.  You can contact him via his website.  www.amelschool.com

Good luck with your generator install.  We just recently completed the same project but we opted to go with the OEM Onan.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising New England

www.RitaKathryn.com

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