John,
My question was about the way that Amel mounts the mini-m
It is mounted on a bracket between the backstays.
i was wondering what effect that would have on an insulated backstay.
I was wondering if anyone had that setup installed on their sm and
its effect on the ssb reception/transmission.
fair winds,
eric





--- In amelyachtowners@y..., jfolino901 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

does anyone have a mini-m phone installed on a insulated

backstay?

thanks
eric

ERIC,
I DON'T THINK THIS WILL WORK. THE ANTENNA FOR THE MINI-M CONTAINS

A

SPECIAL DISH THAT IS ORIENTED BY INTERNAL SERVO MOTORS TO AIM AT

THE

SATELLITE AND READJUSTS ITS AIM AS THE BOAT PITCH, YAWS AND MOVES
ABOUT. THE MINI-M HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A STAY AS A SSB MIGHT!
JOHN

Hello to all. We are new to the group and are looking for information from current Amel SM owners and would appreciate any input you may have.

1)Since the Amel depends heavily on electronics we'd like to know long the generator and/or engine must be run daily especially at anchor. We know that will vary depending upon how one lives however a general idea would be helpful.

2)Also, if anyone owns a SM Millennium have there been any improvements in the watermaker...is it still somewhat problematic?

3)Any circumnavigators or transoceanic voyagers out there? Would love to talk with you.

Blue skies and fair winds

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

John,
My question was about the way that Amel mounts the mini-m
It is mounted on a bracket between the backstays.
i was wondering what effect that would have on an insulated

backstay.

I was wondering if anyone had that setup installed on their sm and
its effect on the ssb reception/transmission.
fair winds,
eric
YES, MY MINI-M DISH UNIT MOUNTS BETWEEN MY SPLIT BACKSTAY, BUT I

HAVE A SEPARATE WHIP FOR SSB. THE WIP ALLOWED MY ICOM M-710 TO TALK
TO HERB, SOUTHBOUND II FROM THE CANARIES TO THE CARIBBEAN. MY
BACKSTAY ISN'T INSULATED!

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., jfolino901 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

does anyone have a mini-m phone installed on a insulated

backstay?

thanks
eric

ERIC,
I DON'T THINK THIS WILL WORK. THE ANTENNA FOR THE MINI-M CONTAINS

A

SPECIAL DISH THAT IS ORIENTED BY INTERNAL SERVO MOTORS TO AIM AT

THE

SATELLITE AND READJUSTS ITS AIM AS THE BOAT PITCH, YAWS AND MOVES
ABOUT. THE MINI-M HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A STAY AS A SSB MIGHT!
JOHN

john,
my amel will also have the whip antenna, but i am having one
backstay insulated as a backup. my question still is will the mini-m
mount interfere with the insulated backstay if i use it.

wher are you located?

eric


--- In amelyachtowners@y..., jfolino901 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

John,
My question was about the way that Amel mounts the mini-m
It is mounted on a bracket between the backstays.
i was wondering what effect that would have on an insulated

backstay.

I was wondering if anyone had that setup installed on their sm

and

its effect on the ssb reception/transmission.
fair winds,
eric
YES, MY MINI-M DISH UNIT MOUNTS BETWEEN MY SPLIT BACKSTAY, BUT I

HAVE A SEPARATE WHIP FOR SSB. THE WIP ALLOWED MY ICOM M-710 TO

TALK

TO HERB, SOUTHBOUND II FROM THE CANARIES TO THE CARIBBEAN. MY
BACKSTAY ISN'T INSULATED!

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., jfolino901 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...>

wrote:

does anyone have a mini-m phone installed on a insulated

backstay?

thanks
eric

ERIC,
I DON'T THINK THIS WILL WORK. THE ANTENNA FOR THE MINI-M

CONTAINS

A

SPECIAL DISH THAT IS ORIENTED BY INTERNAL SERVO MOTORS TO AIM

AT

THE

SATELLITE AND READJUSTS ITS AIM AS THE BOAT PITCH, YAWS AND

MOVES

ABOUT. THE MINI-M HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A STAY AS A SSB MIGHT!
JOHN

john,
my amel will also have the whip antenna, but i am having one
backstay insulated as a backup. my question still is will the mini-m
mount interfere with the insulated backstay if i use it.

wher are you located?

eric


--- In amelyachtowners@y..., jfolino901 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

John,
My question was about the way that Amel mounts the mini-m
It is mounted on a bracket between the backstays.
i was wondering what effect that would have on an insulated

backstay.

I was wondering if anyone had that setup installed on their sm

and

its effect on the ssb reception/transmission.
fair winds,
eric
YES, MY MINI-M DISH UNIT MOUNTS BETWEEN MY SPLIT BACKSTAY, BUT I

HAVE A SEPARATE WHIP FOR SSB. THE WIP ALLOWED MY ICOM M-710 TO

TALK

TO HERB, SOUTHBOUND II FROM THE CANARIES TO THE CARIBBEAN. MY
BACKSTAY ISN'T INSULATED!

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., jfolino901 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...>

wrote:

does anyone have a mini-m phone installed on a insulated

backstay?

thanks
eric

ERIC,
I DON'T THINK THIS WILL WORK. THE ANTENNA FOR THE MINI-M

CONTAINS

A

SPECIAL DISH THAT IS ORIENTED BY INTERNAL SERVO MOTORS TO AIM

AT

THE

SATELLITE AND READJUSTS ITS AIM AS THE BOAT PITCH, YAWS AND

MOVES

ABOUT. THE MINI-M HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A STAY AS A SSB MIGHT!
JOHN

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

john,
my amel will also have the whip antenna, but i am having one
backstay insulated as a backup. my question still is will the mini-

m

mount interfere with the insulated backstay if i use it.

wher are you located?

eric MY AMEL SM IS IN TORTOLA, BRITISH VIRGIN ISLANDS. I AM IN

MASSACHUSETTS ON BUZZARDS BAY. I HAVE A BLOCK ISLAND 40 YAWL HERE
WHICH HAS AN INSULATED SPLIT BACKSTAY INTO WHICH I TRANSMIT BY SSB. I
ALSO HAVE METALLIC CONNECTIONS, BUT BELOW THE INSULATOR SO THESE
DON'T AFFECT THE SSB!

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., jfolino901 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

John,
My question was about the way that Amel mounts the mini-m
It is mounted on a bracket between the backstays.
i was wondering what effect that would have on an insulated

backstay.

I was wondering if anyone had that setup installed on their sm

and

its effect on the ssb reception/transmission.
fair winds,
eric
YES, MY MINI-M DISH UNIT MOUNTS BETWEEN MY SPLIT BACKSTAY, BUT

I

HAVE A SEPARATE WHIP FOR SSB. THE WIP ALLOWED MY ICOM M-710 TO

TALK

TO HERB, SOUTHBOUND II FROM THE CANARIES TO THE CARIBBEAN. MY
BACKSTAY ISN'T INSULATED!

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., jfolino901 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...>

wrote:

does anyone have a mini-m phone installed on a insulated

backstay?

thanks
eric

ERIC,
I DON'T THINK THIS WILL WORK. THE ANTENNA FOR THE MINI-M

CONTAINS

A

SPECIAL DISH THAT IS ORIENTED BY INTERNAL SERVO MOTORS TO AIM

AT

THE

SATELLITE AND READJUSTS ITS AIM AS THE BOAT PITCH, YAWS AND

MOVES

ABOUT. THE MINI-M HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A STAY AS A SSB

MIGHT!

JOHN

The rudder post on our Sharki is beginning to leak a little and there
is not much adjustment left on the packing nut, so it's probably time
to pull and replace the packing. I understand that this is similar
to packing a shaft seal, but since we have a dripless shaft seal, we
have no experience. Has anyone repacked their rudder post seal? If
so, what size flax rope did you use? Did you repack it in the water
or on the hard? Any info is appreciated.
Thanks,
Dahna

To the Amel who had the special fit for computer on nav station. Is
it possible to post photos on the locked position and the opened
position? Sounds like an idea I would like to pursue.

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., stargazer41amel <no_reply@y...> wrote:

To the Amel who had the special fit for computer on nav station.

Is

it possible to post photos on the locked position and the opened
position? Sounds like an idea I would like to pursue.

YES I COULD TAKE PICTURES, BUT MY BOAT IS IN THE BVI. I WILL NOT BE
RETURNING TO IT UNTIL NEXT YEAR. I SUGGEST YOU SPEAK WITH OR EMAIL
AMEL, OLIVIER BEAUTE.
JOHN FOLINO, SM 347

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it's way on to our discussion group. All posts or file uploads will
be deleted if they have nothing at all to do with Amels, sailing,
navigation, etc.
Thanks
Rich

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., jfolino901 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., stargazer41amel <no_reply@y...> wrote:

To the Amel who had the special fit for computer on nav station.

Is

it possible to post photos on the locked position and the opened
position? Sounds like an idea I would like to pursue.

YES I COULD TAKE PICTURES, BUT MY BOAT IS IN THE BVI. I WILL NOT BE
RETURNING TO IT UNTIL NEXT YEAR. I SUGGEST YOU SPEAK WITH OR EMAIL
AMEL, OLIVIER BEAUTE.
JOHN FOLINO, SM 347

John

You wont see your boat till next year! I think you should look at a
shedule adjustment.

Vito Ciaravino SM# 283

In the dokumntation from our watermaker (dessalator) ist written, to
use the oil quality SAE 30. We can't find oil with this
specification. Which oil quality do you use? Thanks for answering.

Hanspeter Wehrli
SM#152

Hi,

I am wanting to buy a used Amel Super Maramu, age of +/-1998-1992.

Location is not too important although my preference would be in the
Mediterranean so that I can make a crossing of the Atlantic this
November in order to cruise the Caribbean (this is only a preference,
not a requirement).

If you are thinking of selling please let me know or if you know of
anyone else.......

Thanks,
David

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., "Sue Dyer" <sdyerjump@i...> wrote:

Hello to all. We are new to the group and are looking for

information from current Amel SM owners and would appreciate any input
you may have.

1)Since the Amel depends heavily on electronics we'd like to know

long the generator and/or engine must be run daily especially at
anchor. We know that will vary depending upon how one lives however a
general idea would be helpful.

2)Also, if anyone owns a SM Millennium have there been any

improvements in the watermaker...is it still somewhat problematic?

3)Any circumnavigators or transoceanic voyagers out there? Would

love to talk with you.

Blue skies and fair winds

Hi Sue: My name Is Gary Silver. We purchased hull number 335 July
2001. Within 10 days of starting our owners schooling my family and
I set sail from La Rochelle to La Carunia Spain, thence down the coast
of Spain and Portugal and ended up in Lanzarote in the Canary Islands.
We left the boat in a marina there for 3 months then went back and my
family and I sailed it across the Atlantic to Guadelopue. Our
transatlantic took 21 days due to SW winds for the first 5 days. We
used the auto pilot heavily and with 6 people aboard also taxed other
electronics. We ususally had to charge batteries for 2 hours each
morning (during which time we made water) and one hour each evening. I
try to never let the batteries get below 65 percent. We only had to
make water about every other day. Joel's statement about not having
to worry about having enough water is true. We have bacome somewhat
profligate in our use of fresh water aboard. We haven't had a bit of
trouble with the water maker. It still puts out 150 to 160 liters per
hour. We flush the membrane with fresh water for 2 minutes after each
use (using the valve Amel provides) and we pickel the thing any time
we leave the boat for more than a week. I have heard various claims
about only needing to pickel it if left un-used for several months but
I am conservative and hope to not have problems. One thing Joel just
warned me about is not flusing it with marina water (chlorine can
evidently damage the membranes). He suggested using a in line
charchoal hose filter when filling the tank from a marina hose.

We just spent 10 days cruising Guadeloupe and we would run the gen

set much less than on the transatlantic because we had fewer people,
didn't run the radar as much becasue we anchored at night, and also
powered down the navigation instruments etc at night. We did run the
genset to cool off the cabin with the AC for several hours at night at
times and would actually do most of our charing then as well. I got
the 12 fan outlet-6 fan option and I am going to add 4 more fans for
the tropical cruising. It is nice to have a fan at easy reach. One
thing I would like (and am considering doing) is adding a fan in each
head. The AC doesn't quite reach in there and my wife likes to apply
her makeup and do her hair in the head. Plus it get steamy in there
right after a hot shower etc. Hope this is useful. Sincerely, Gary
Silver

Having lived on board my Super Maramu 2000 (299) the past 22 months,
mostly on the hook, and sailed 21,000+ nms, I decided to investigate
putting a wind generator on the top of my mizzen mast. There are not
ANY wind generators that will supply all the SM's electrical needs,
and research showed that the only two makes that would make any
significant contribution were the Air Marine 403 and the Kiss.
However, weight is a factor, and I chose the Air Marine 403 which is
half the weight of the Kiss.

Because I did not wish to get the mizzen staysail halyard tangled in
the blades, I decided to mount it on the very top of the mizzen mast,
where it would be out of the way. Amel kindly supplied me with a copy
of the mast top blueprint, and I had a stainless plate made up that
matches the mast top plate, and welded the support post to it with
suitable bracing. Note that if you wish to replace your mizzen
halyard with the wind generator in place, you will have to cut a slot
in the plate to allow access to the sheaves.

The 403 worked well up there, even down wind, but the vibration from
the unit caused an unbearable resonance in the mast, which made the
generators use at night, and even at certain RPM's during the day,
impossible to live with. However, after some 6 months of trying
various cures, I have come up with a solution that works well.

I discovered a company in England called AVA Limited that specialize
in anti vibration mounts. Yes there are many on the market that
consist of a rubber block with a stud bonded to each end, but these
would not be suitable in case of failure. The AVA mounts are fail
safe as they have a bolt through the entire assembly. They are made
of die cast aluminium, so they do need spraying with zinc chromate
primer then a good quality marine paint before use. Also they have a
two bolt flange bottom fitting which would make them difficult to fit
to the area of the mast top flange that protrudes outside the profile
of the mast.

I got around this by making up 4 aluminium pieces of 1/4" bar that
were tapped with three holes. Two holes take the short fixing bolts
from the bottom flange of each vibration mount, and into the centre
tapped hole I screwed down a bolt that would attach the whole unit to
the mizzen mast flange. To make matters even better, I put a strip of
1/4" rubber under each bar before bolting the vibration dampers down,
sleeved the 10mm bolts with fuel tubing where they pass through the
bottom plate, and put a further piece of rubber under the washes of
the 4 bolts that attach the dampers. All bolts were locked with
Locktite 270 locking compound.

The wind generator is now never switched off, and is hardly
noticeable under sail at all, and makes but a faint singing noise in
the aft cabin at night. I would point out though that Air Marine are
again testing their Air-X model which will be considerably smoother
and quieter in operation. After much dialogue with Air Marine, they
have asked me to test an Air-X on my mizzen top. From what I have
seen so far, the new model will be worth waiting for. There are some
RFI problems to be sorted out before I get the test model, but it
should not be long now. They have gone away from using blade flexing
to limit the turbine's speed, and are now using more rigid and
quieter blades.

Of course, one wind generator will not solve the Super Maramu's
thirst for electrons! I have also fitted 2 Solarex 120W 24V solar
panels to the side rails just aft of the genoa car adjusters. The
combination of all three works well. Under sail in sunlight, I need
an apparent wind of 15 knots to equal the electrical demand, and at
night 24 knots (radar on). In the tropics, I now only need to run the
generator once a day, usually in the evening. My only regret now is
that having such reduced generator time, I should have bought a
bigger capacity water maker!

I did leave Crusader in the Bahamas for 2 weeks on the anchor with
the freezer running but the fridge switched off, and returned to find
the batteries fully charged. It's this freedom to leave the boat for
sight seeing and visits home that got me interested in an alternative
power supply.

AVA Ltd can be found at:

Unit 1, Monkton Park, Farnham Trading Estate, Farnham, Surrey, GU9
9PA, England
Tel: 01252-733040 Fax: 01252-722958

What you need are 4 x AL30 Specials-25NAT M10 Core Price 9.56 GB
Pounds each.

They are specials in that the top fixing bolt size is increased to
10mm as the original bolts on the AL30 units were a bit on the light
side for the application.

Modifications to the bow thruster, hot water system, anchor wash and
speaker systems will follow when I get a moment!

Good sailing

Ian Shepherd

Amel Super Maramu 2000 # 299 "Crusader"

Web Site www.bayc.org.uk/crusader
Email g4ljf@winlink.org

Amel Sharki 1985 for sale. Located in Florida. Call or email for
details.
Rich
321-773-8334
closereach@yahoo.com

Ian,
Thanks ever so much for the helpful post. We are taking delivery
December 9 this year and had anticipated adding the Air Marine when
it was suddenly dropped from the options list. Your experience may
have been the reason for the change, as we all know how evolutionary
the SM concept is. The engineering you had to overcome is
impressive, but I hope applicable. Perhaps we may see the Air Marine
offered again but with a purpose-built masthead fitting for the
mizzen. We, too, are concerned about the SM's casual attitude with
KwH and were recently gifted with a custom rigging-hung generator.
It'll be interesting to see how this works out. The unit was
originally set up to put out 110V so it could be plugged in directly
to a (US) boat's power inlet. We'll need a transformer to allow us
to do the same with the Amel. Looking forward to your next post!
Regards,

Chuck Luecker

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., closereach <no_reply@y...> wrote:

Having lived on board my Super Maramu 2000 (299) the past 22

months,

mostly on the hook, and sailed 21,000+ nms, I decided to

investigate

putting a wind generator on the top of my mizzen mast. There are

not

ANY wind generators that will supply all the SM's electrical needs,
and research showed that the only two makes that would make any
significant contribution were the Air Marine 403 and the Kiss.
However, weight is a factor, and I chose the Air Marine 403 which

is

half the weight of the Kiss.

Because I did not wish to get the mizzen staysail halyard tangled

in

the blades, I decided to mount it on the very top of the mizzen

mast,

where it would be out of the way. Amel kindly supplied me with a

copy

of the mast top blueprint, and I had a stainless plate made up that
matches the mast top plate, and welded the support post to it with
suitable bracing. Note that if you wish to replace your mizzen
halyard with the wind generator in place, you will have to cut a

slot

in the plate to allow access to the sheaves.

The 403 worked well up there, even down wind, but the vibration

from

the unit caused an unbearable resonance in the mast, which made the
generators use at night, and even at certain RPM's during the day,
impossible to live with. However, after some 6 months of trying
various cures, I have come up with a solution that works well.

I discovered a company in England called AVA Limited that

specialize

in anti vibration mounts. Yes there are many on the market that
consist of a rubber block with a stud bonded to each end, but these
would not be suitable in case of failure. The AVA mounts are fail
safe as they have a bolt through the entire assembly. They are made
of die cast aluminium, so they do need spraying with zinc chromate
primer then a good quality marine paint before use. Also they have

a

two bolt flange bottom fitting which would make them difficult to

fit

to the area of the mast top flange that protrudes outside the

profile

of the mast.

I got around this by making up 4 aluminium pieces of 1/4" bar that
were tapped with three holes. Two holes take the short fixing bolts
from the bottom flange of each vibration mount, and into the centre
tapped hole I screwed down a bolt that would attach the whole unit

to

the mizzen mast flange. To make matters even better, I put a strip

of

1/4" rubber under each bar before bolting the vibration dampers

down,

sleeved the 10mm bolts with fuel tubing where they pass through the
bottom plate, and put a further piece of rubber under the washes of
the 4 bolts that attach the dampers. All bolts were locked with
Locktite 270 locking compound.

The wind generator is now never switched off, and is hardly
noticeable under sail at all, and makes but a faint singing noise

in

the aft cabin at night. I would point out though that Air Marine

are

again testing their Air-X model which will be considerably smoother
and quieter in operation. After much dialogue with Air Marine, they
have asked me to test an Air-X on my mizzen top. From what I have
seen so far, the new model will be worth waiting for. There are

some

RFI problems to be sorted out before I get the test model, but it
should not be long now. They have gone away from using blade

flexing

to limit the turbine's speed, and are now using more rigid and
quieter blades.

Of course, one wind generator will not solve the Super Maramu's
thirst for electrons! I have also fitted 2 Solarex 120W 24V solar
panels to the side rails just aft of the genoa car adjusters. The
combination of all three works well. Under sail in sunlight, I need
an apparent wind of 15 knots to equal the electrical demand, and at
night 24 knots (radar on). In the tropics, I now only need to run

the

generator once a day, usually in the evening. My only regret now is
that having such reduced generator time, I should have bought a
bigger capacity water maker!

I did leave Crusader in the Bahamas for 2 weeks on the anchor with
the freezer running but the fridge switched off, and returned to

find

the batteries fully charged. It's this freedom to leave the boat

for

sight seeing and visits home that got me interested in an

alternative

power supply.

AVA Ltd can be found at:

Unit 1, Monkton Park, Farnham Trading Estate, Farnham, Surrey, GU9
9PA, England
Tel: 01252-733040 Fax: 01252-722958

What you need are 4 x AL30 Specials-25NAT M10 Core Price 9.56

GB

Pounds each.

They are specials in that the top fixing bolt size is increased to
10mm as the original bolts on the AL30 units were a bit on the

light

side for the application.

Modifications to the bow thruster, hot water system, anchor wash

and

speaker systems will follow when I get a moment!

Good sailing

Ian Shepherd

Amel Super Maramu 2000 # 299 "Crusader"

Web Site www.bayc.org.uk/crusader
Email g4ljf@w...

Hello

I would like some input as to how to maintain the looks of the faux
teak decks without ruining the non skid. They are a little chalky
looking. I believe this is the result of being waxed and the not
being waxed for the winter. Do I use a light compound and remove the
old wax and leave them that way or do I apply a coat of caranuba?

Thank

Vito
ASM283
Wanderer

Vito -

We have been using a product by Aurora Marine - www.auroramarine.com -
called "Sure Step" for the non-skid areas of our Sharki with good
results. It contains a polymer they call "Skid -X" which seals the
surface preventing oxidation without reducing the nonskid effect like
wax would. It lasts about 6 mos.