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Re: Rudder Post Bonding

 

Adam,

Your SM was most likely delivered to the first owner without an anode on the propeller. Read the attached two pages from my Amel Book.
Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:46 AM Adam Body <adamgcbody@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill. The cone zinc anode on the prop is eroding nicely. But the anode on the rudder shows almost no corrosion..I wonder if this is a symptom of a loss of continuity somewhere?
--
Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994


Re: Rudder Post Bonding

Adam Body
 

Thanks Bill. The cone zinc anode on the prop is eroding nicely. But the anode on the rudder shows almost no corrosion..I wonder if this is a symptom of a loss of continuity somewhere?
--
Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994


Re: Self Insurance

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Miles. That’s exactly the reason the group has been working in this potential offering- to ensure that Amel owners can continue to enjoy using their Amel’s as designed. 

IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, please help us by filling out the survey at: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW 

PS. Where did you and Ladybug end up this winter as I imagine that you weren’t able to get into Le Marin or Guadeloupe this year?  Fair winds!

Brent

On Mar 7, 2021, 8:41 AM -0500, Miles <milesbid@...>, wrote:

Hi Brent,

 

I have just received notice that my insurance will not be renewed so I am now interested.

 

Regards,

 

Miles s/y Ladybug,  sm216


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Self Insurance

Miles
 

Hi Brent,

 

I have just received notice that my insurance will not be renewed so I am now interested.

 

Regards,

 

Miles s/y Ladybug,  sm216


Re: Rudder Post Bonding

 

Adam,

See the following for continuity checks.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 2:28 PM Adam Body <adamgcbody@...> wrote:
Thanks for all of your ideas. The green and yellow wires are already securely attached to the rudder post and are the main bonding wires. I will check the continuity between these and the green wires. The odd thing is the zince anode on the rudder is not eroding. So when next she is on the hard I should check continuity between the anode and the ruddet post and the green/yellow wires. Could the green wires have something to do with the SSB? I will check .....
--
Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994


Re: Rudder Post Bonding

Adam Body
 

Thanks for all of your ideas. The green and yellow wires are already securely attached to the rudder post and are the main bonding wires. I will check the continuity between these and the green wires. The odd thing is the zince anode on the rudder is not eroding. So when next she is on the hard I should check continuity between the anode and the ruddet post and the green/yellow wires. Could the green wires have something to do with the SSB? I will check .....
--
Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994


Re: Self Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

Right on Brent


On Mar 6, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Brent Cameron via groups.io <brentcameron61@...> wrote:


Hi Courtney, for sure this isn’t something that is going to happen in a month or two… at best it would likely be ready for the fall if there is sufficient interest (right now we have something like 125 responses and we were hoping for about 200-500) but much more likely for the 2022 year as there would be a lot of tasks to complete before we could start providing cover (including setting up a company, assigning directors, getting backing coverage, etc).  JB Duler is our insurance expert and can likely give you a better idea on the potential timeline if I’m way off.  

In terms of the interest seen so far, it seems that one of the issues we are facing is that a lot of the AYOG group do not subscribe to regular messages on this forum so it seems likely that we haven’t reached our goal in terms of actually reaching out to potential owners.   So if you (or any of the folks reading this) know of any owners that we might not have reached, please let them know to fill out the survey at: 
English version: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW
French version:https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/bsWP60ko

 

Brent

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Self Insurance

Matt Salatino
 

If you send me an explanatory invitation, I’ll post it on the Amel 50/60 page to solicit another 50 Amel owners. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Mar 6, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Brent Cameron via groups.io <brentcameron61@...> wrote:


Hi Courtney, for sure this isn’t something that is going to happen in a month or two… at best it would likely be ready for the fall if there is sufficient interest (right now we have something like 125 responses and we were hoping for about 200-500) but much more likely for the 2022 year as there would be a lot of tasks to complete before we could start providing cover (including setting up a company, assigning directors, getting backing coverage, etc).  JB Duler is our insurance expert and can likely give you a better idea on the potential timeline if I’m way off.  

In terms of the interest seen so far, it seems that one of the issues we are facing is that a lot of the AYOG group do not subscribe to regular messages on this forum so it seems likely that we haven’t reached our goal in terms of actually reaching out to potential owners.   So if you (or any of the folks reading this) know of any owners that we might not have reached, please let them know to fill out the survey at: 
English version: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW
French version:https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/bsWP60ko

 

Brent

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Self Insurance

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Courtney, for sure this isn’t something that is going to happen in a month or two… at best it would likely be ready for the fall if there is sufficient interest (right now we have something like 125 responses and we were hoping for about 200-500) but much more likely for the 2022 year as there would be a lot of tasks to complete before we could start providing cover (including setting up a company, assigning directors, getting backing coverage, etc).  JB Duler is our insurance expert and can likely give you a better idea on the potential timeline if I’m way off.  

In terms of the interest seen so far, it seems that one of the issues we are facing is that a lot of the AYOG group do not subscribe to regular messages on this forum so it seems likely that we haven’t reached our goal in terms of actually reaching out to potential owners.   So if you (or any of the folks reading this) know of any owners that we might not have reached, please let them know to fill out the survey at: 
English version: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW
French version:https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/bsWP60ko

 

Brent

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Self Insurance

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi Brent,

 

This is interesting to me. I have completed the questionnaire.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brent Cameron via groups.io
Sent: 06 March 2021 20:17
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance

 

Just as a reminder, there is a small group working at looking at group buying options for insurance right now and we have put together a survey to help us gauge interest in such an offering (and to allow us to explore the business case behind it).  The survey is confidential and your response will ONLY be used to help us gauge demand and if there is enough, help us design an offering that would meet AYOG requirements.  Note that while there are a few members involved in this initiative, we are being very careful as to who has access to the full data (currently only one member - not me) to ensure that the data is only used for this purpose.  

IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, please help us by filling out the survey at: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW 
--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Self Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

Brent when do you expect to have any time frame 
Have to decide fairly soon how I will proceed.  
So is there any chance for a policy this year prior to May 
Or is this something for 2022?
Cheers 🍻 
Courtney 
Trippin 
54#101


On Mar 6, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Brent Cameron via groups.io <brentcameron61@...> wrote:



Just as a reminder, there is a small group working at looking at group buying options for insurance right now and we have put together a survey to help us gauge interest in such an offering (and to allow us to explore the business case behind it).  The survey is confidential and your response will ONLY be used to help us gauge demand and if there is enough, help us design an offering that would meet AYOG requirements.  Note that while there are a few members involved in this initiative, we are being very careful as to who has access to the full data (currently only one member - not me) to ensure that the data is only used for this purpose.  

IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, please help us by filling out the survey at: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW 
--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Self Insurance

Brent Cameron
 

Just as a reminder, there is a small group working at looking at group buying options for insurance right now and we have put together a survey to help us gauge interest in such an offering (and to allow us to explore the business case behind it).  The survey is confidential and your response will ONLY be used to help us gauge demand and if there is enough, help us design an offering that would meet AYOG requirements.  Note that while there are a few members involved in this initiative, we are being very careful as to who has access to the full data (currently only one member - not me) to ensure that the data is only used for this purpose.  

IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, please help us by filling out the survey at: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW 
--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Rudder Post Bonding

eric freedman
 

It looks like the rudder is already bonded. However I would check the continuity between the loose wires and the rudder bonding. If there is no continuity, then you will have to trace the wires. Your rudder should look something like this photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2021 7:05 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Post Bonding

 

Hi Adam. It is highly likely they are the bonding wires that should be attached to the rudder post and through that to the zincs on the rudder, thus providing protection.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 March 2021 at 12:36 Adam Body <adamgcbody@...> wrote:

Hello: I have just noticed two green wires close to the rudder post in Flora, and I have attached a photo. These two wires have been disconnected and I dont know why or by whom. Does anyone know what their purpose is? 
--
Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994


Re: Rudder Post Bonding

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Adam. It is highly likely they are the bonding wires that should be attached to the rudder post and through that to the zincs on the rudder, thus providing protection.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 March 2021 at 12:36 Adam Body <adamgcbody@...> wrote:

Hello: I have just noticed two green wires close to the rudder post in Flora, and I have attached a photo. These two wires have been disconnected and I dont know why or by whom. Does anyone know what their purpose is? 
--
Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994


Re: Self Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

Thank you Mark


On Mar 5, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



I just renewed mine. Check with Topsail or The Marine Shop (NZ). Both use the same A+ underwriter.  Both very easy to do business with and have a clear easy to read policy online.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Courtney Gorman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance

 

Just received cancellation of policy from my insurance company Broker said they are looking for another company to write the insurance with but at this point no guarantee sure would love to see a self insurance policy happen
Cheers 🍻 

Courtney

svTrippin 



On May 25, 2020, at 3:40 PM, COURTNEY GORMAN <itsfun1@...> wrote:

My Novimar policy was not renewed this year same agent

Cheers 

Courtney 

Trippin

54 #101



On May 25, 2020, at 1:04 PM, VLADIMIR SONSEV <sonsev52@...> wrote:



I am interested in group insurance but not in self insurance.

 

Vladimir

SM 345 "Life is Good""

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 8:56 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

This is a rough outline of a self insurance or shared risk co-op, that I sent Kent and thought I would share with the group. It was prompted by the hassle I have had with obtaining insurance, the restrictions and expense.  Bill suggested self insuring and just buying liability insurance, however in the event of a total loss, it would be a big financial hit, that I could not afford. However, if I could share that risk with even ten others or better yet many more, it would soften the loss. When you consider how few Amel's have been lost outside of a hurricane zone, the risk seems very low, and yet we need to insure against such a great financial lose.

 

1. A  LLC. formed

 

2. An administrator and board to accept membership ,assess deposit amount , administer funds and assess claims.

 

3. A one time deposit could be a percentage of agreed fixed value, perhaps 2 or 2.5% ,eg. $200,000 boat would amount to a $5000 deposit into the fund

 

4. Coverage would be for total loss , fixed value minus say 10% deductible. Figuring most owners could absorb some loss ,and insurance companies have deductibles as well. Hurricane zones excluded.

 

5. Perhaps lightning strike coverage , perhaps coverage would be ,replace with new equipment ,minus a 30 % deductible.This would probably be the largest source of loss. May have a surcharge or higher deductible for Florida locations.

 

6. All funds would be in an interest bearing account,if you can find anyone paying interest.

 

7. Upon leaving the group , the owner would receive a 50% refund of his deposit assuming they had no claims. 

 

8. Perhaps a .20% of fixed value annual fee to go to cost of administration .eg. $3000,000. boat x.20% = $600. annual fee

 

Assuming 200 owners/members at average boat value of $300,000 x 2.5 % = $7,500 deposit or $1,500,000.00 in funds.

a $300,000. loss of a boat would break down to a loss of $1,350. for each of the 200 members.

 

This could even work on a smaller scale . If ten owners shared responsibility for loss. $300,000 minus deductible of 10% ,would be $ 270,000.000 divided by ten owners or $27,000 per owner. Its all about spreading the risk.

 

I wonder why no group has formed a risk co-op as yet. Maybe because insurance used to be less restrictive and more reasonably priced .

 

Stay Safe,

Pat

SM 123
Shenanigans

 

 


Re: Self Insurance

Mark Erdos
 

I just renewed mine. Check with Topsail or The Marine Shop (NZ). Both use the same A+ underwriter.  Both very easy to do business with and have a clear easy to read policy online.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Courtney Gorman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance

 

Just received cancellation of policy from my insurance company Broker said they are looking for another company to write the insurance with but at this point no guarantee sure would love to see a self insurance policy happen
Cheers 🍻 

Courtney

svTrippin 



On May 25, 2020, at 3:40 PM, COURTNEY GORMAN <itsfun1@...> wrote:

My Novimar policy was not renewed this year same agent

Cheers 

Courtney 

Trippin

54 #101



On May 25, 2020, at 1:04 PM, VLADIMIR SONSEV <sonsev52@...> wrote:



I am interested in group insurance but not in self insurance.

 

Vladimir

SM 345 "Life is Good""

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 8:56 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

This is a rough outline of a self insurance or shared risk co-op, that I sent Kent and thought I would share with the group. It was prompted by the hassle I have had with obtaining insurance, the restrictions and expense.  Bill suggested self insuring and just buying liability insurance, however in the event of a total loss, it would be a big financial hit, that I could not afford. However, if I could share that risk with even ten others or better yet many more, it would soften the loss. When you consider how few Amel's have been lost outside of a hurricane zone, the risk seems very low, and yet we need to insure against such a great financial lose.

 

1. A  LLC. formed

 

2. An administrator and board to accept membership ,assess deposit amount , administer funds and assess claims.

 

3. A one time deposit could be a percentage of agreed fixed value, perhaps 2 or 2.5% ,eg. $200,000 boat would amount to a $5000 deposit into the fund

 

4. Coverage would be for total loss , fixed value minus say 10% deductible. Figuring most owners could absorb some loss ,and insurance companies have deductibles as well. Hurricane zones excluded.

 

5. Perhaps lightning strike coverage , perhaps coverage would be ,replace with new equipment ,minus a 30 % deductible.This would probably be the largest source of loss. May have a surcharge or higher deductible for Florida locations.

 

6. All funds would be in an interest bearing account,if you can find anyone paying interest.

 

7. Upon leaving the group , the owner would receive a 50% refund of his deposit assuming they had no claims. 

 

8. Perhaps a .20% of fixed value annual fee to go to cost of administration .eg. $3000,000. boat x.20% = $600. annual fee

 

Assuming 200 owners/members at average boat value of $300,000 x 2.5 % = $7,500 deposit or $1,500,000.00 in funds.

a $300,000. loss of a boat would break down to a loss of $1,350. for each of the 200 members.

 

This could even work on a smaller scale . If ten owners shared responsibility for loss. $300,000 minus deductible of 10% ,would be $ 270,000.000 divided by ten owners or $27,000 per owner. Its all about spreading the risk.

 

I wonder why no group has formed a risk co-op as yet. Maybe because insurance used to be less restrictive and more reasonably priced .

 

Stay Safe,

Pat

SM 123
Shenanigans

 

 


Re: Self Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

Just received cancellation of policy from my insurance company Broker said they are looking for another company to write the insurance with but at this point no guarantee sure would love to see a self insurance policy happen
Cheers 🍻 
Courtney
svTrippin 

On May 25, 2020, at 3:40 PM, COURTNEY GORMAN <itsfun1@...> wrote:

My Novimar policy was not renewed this year same agent
Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin
54 #101


On May 25, 2020, at 1:04 PM, VLADIMIR SONSEV <sonsev52@...> wrote:


I am interested in group insurance but not in self insurance.

Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good""

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 8:56 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is a rough outline of a self insurance or shared risk co-op, that I sent Kent and thought I would share with the group. It was prompted by the hassle I have had with obtaining insurance, the restrictions and expense.  Bill suggested self insuring and just buying liability insurance, however in the event of a total loss, it would be a big financial hit, that I could not afford. However, if I could share that risk with even ten others or better yet many more, it would soften the loss. When you consider how few Amel's have been lost outside of a hurricane zone, the risk seems very low, and yet we need to insure against such a great financial lose.

1. A  LLC. formed
 
2. An administrator and board to accept membership ,assess deposit amount , administer funds and assess claims.
 
3. A one time deposit could be a percentage of agreed fixed value, perhaps 2 or 2.5% ,eg. $200,000 boat would amount to a $5000 deposit into the fund
 
4. Coverage would be for total loss , fixed value minus say 10% deductible. Figuring most owners could absorb some loss ,and insurance companies have deductibles as well. Hurricane zones excluded.
 
5. Perhaps lightning strike coverage , perhaps coverage would be ,replace with new equipment ,minus a 30 % deductible.This would probably be the largest source of loss. May have a surcharge or higher deductible for Florida locations.
 
6. All funds would be in an interest bearing account,if you can find anyone paying interest.
 
7. Upon leaving the group , the owner would receive a 50% refund of his deposit assuming they had no claims. 
 
8. Perhaps a .20% of fixed value annual fee to go to cost of administration .eg. $3000,000. boat x.20% = $600. annual fee
 
Assuming 200 owners/members at average boat value of $300,000 x 2.5 % = $7,500 deposit or $1,500,000.00 in funds.
a $300,000. loss of a boat would break down to a loss of $1,350. for each of the 200 members.
 
This could even work on a smaller scale . If ten owners shared responsibility for loss. $300,000 minus deductible of 10% ,would be $ 270,000.000 divided by ten owners or $27,000 per owner. Its all about spreading the risk.
 
I wonder why no group has formed a risk co-op as yet. Maybe because insurance used to be less restrictive and more reasonably priced .
 
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM 123
Shenanigans
 
 


Re: Stern tube hose

Steve Leeds
 

I own a 1985 Sharki and was not sure what size hose I needed for my stuffing box.  It turns out it is apparently the same as a Maramu -- approximately 54mm (actually 54.31mm.  AMEL said they can't help me (they usually can).  One of my clients who owns a Spanish boat was able to order hose from Barcelona Propellers but they have 50mm and 60mm but not 54 or 55mm.  I called the owner of Tides Marine, who is a friend, and asked if he would use his hose with a conventional stuffing box and he said no. 

Has any owner in Europe found a source of metric hose in 54mm?  I am not ready to switch to a "dripless" stuffing box yet as I have seen too many failures with every brand, some very serious,
among my clients. I have had the standard installed conventional stuffing box with the original hose for the whole time I have owned my Sharki.  The boat is 36 years old and I have owned it for almost 31 years.  During that time we have sailed over 45,000 NM on our circumnavigation and previous owners have crossed the Atlantic once and visited the Caribbean several times from New England with no issues.

On a separate topic, we were told by the previous owner that our shaft was 1 3/8" and he was going through cutlass bearings at a rapid rate as did we.  We replaced our shaft in New Zealand with a 1 3/8" shaft and only then learned that our old shaft was 35mm which explained the cutlass bearing failures.  We have replaced very few since then.



Re: Fresh Water Pump

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

A number of owners have used the Marco pump with great success and when operating they are fantastic however; I would not make a general recommendation for Marco.  We have a dual pump system for redundancy that is approximately 2 ½ years old.  Each of the original pumps has been replaced once under warranty and I have purchased a third pump very recently to replace one of the warranty pumps; a total of 5 pumps in 2 ½ years.  Parts are currently on order to repair the pile of parts presently sitting in a box.


--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: electromax alternator

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

We take all a profit from this group

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 05.03.2021 um 14:09 schrieb Steve Bell <stevejb59@gmail.com>:

Many thanks Elja ,this group is so awesome this inquiry is for a friend and he can't believe the quick response.

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