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Re: Port sheet winch
Sorry did not mean to send that.
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Bottom line is that I am sure you have found the problem. Carbon dust with oil leak to make it extra messy. Nick
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Re: Port sheet winch
Danny if I remember correctly the motor and gear box are fitted to the vertical shaft that goes up to the winch with a keyway on the shaft and the gear box is bolted up to the deck/winch. I do not know if the bolts holding the gearbox up are threaded into a plate or if you need to remove the winch to access the nuts. On the windlass it was quite easy to lift off the capstan and access the
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Re: Port sheet winch
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thanks again Nick. You have answered my question about the gearbox being oil filled. Did you replace the seals. When you say you dropped the motor off were you able do remove the motor alone,or the motor and gearbox together leaving the winch in place. Or did you start drom the top and remove the winch first? Thanks again Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 30 November 2020 at 21:32 "ngtnewington Newington via groups.io" <ngtnewington@...> wrote:
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Re: Port sheet winch
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thanks Nick. I took the cover off the brush mechanism. It is an oily mess in there with a gunge of catbon dust mixed in I dont know yet if the gearbox has oil in it. If so I suspect the seal between the motor and the gearbox has failed and allowed oil to penetrate the motor. Brushes dont respond well to being covered in oil,it leads to short circuits. So far I am working with the motor in place. I have yet to learn if it can be removed from the winch without dismatling the whole mecanism. I live in hope. Thanks for your input. Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 30 November 2020 at 21:29 "ngtnewington Newington via groups.io" <ngtnewington@...> wrote:
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Re: Port sheet winch
Danny,
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If you drop the motor and gear box be careful to keep it level as oil from the gear box can leak into the motor and then out and make a mess....been there!! Nick S/Y Amelia 54-019
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Re: Port sheet winch
Hi Danny,
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The motor looks pretty much the same as the motor for the windlass on my 54. On my windlass I had a similar problem as you describe. The motor also got hot. I removed it and stripped it down. It was clogged with carbon dust from the brushes. I then put it back and it runs perfectly. I suggest you see if the motor itself gets hot, if so it could be the same problem. Nick S/Y Amelia AML 54-019 Leros
On 30 Nov 2020, at 01:22, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
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Re: Port sheet winch
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thanks Bill. It is drawing about 90 amps turning with no load so I suspect a friction problem but I will chase the control option first. Kind Regards Danny
On 30 November 2020 at 12:28 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: Port sheet winch
Danny, These are so reliable that there is very little experience in troubleshooting and repair. I have no experience and few owners have very little. I don't know how to help, other than to say most issues have been control issues and not motor and gearbox. Please let me know when you find a solution. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
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Port sheet winch
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Bill Yesterday the port sheet winch motor malfunctioned. When i tried to operate it it would turn but in a few seconds slow to a stop as if it was overloaded. Obviously I immediately deactivated it. After a minute or so I tried again. Same result. Loaded or unloaded. The winch turns freely by hand and by winch handle so the problem is either in the motor or gearbox. Any suggestions. I have got under it and externally it looks fine. Do you know if its possible to separate the motor from the gearbox in situ. See photos attached Thanks Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: Sea Chest
The most effective way I have found to prevent air accumulation in the strainer it to install a one-way flow valve between the strainer and the sea-chest.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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engine exhaust high temp alarm Sea Chest Clog Alarm
eric freedman
Hi Bill, This has saved my bacon twice. I mounted it by the Amel name plate on the companionway. http://www.borelmfg.com/products_alarm.htm
Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Smith via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 9:18 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sea Chest Clog Alarm
Thanks, all!
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Re: Sea Chest Clog Alarm
Karen Smith
Thanks, all!
I was not looking to install one, just get a feel for the setpoint. A minimum setpoint of -200 mbar gauge (80 inches of water) tells me what I need to know. That's a significantly higher vacuum setpoint than I expected. I would have thought something like 20 instead of 200. For our raw water system, (which is a lot simpler than a later model SM) the AC units quickly shut down on high pressure if there is insufficient water, the genset quickly shuts down on high exhaust temperature if it lacks water. Adding a high wet exhaust temperature alarm to the main drive engine will cover pretty much all the cases. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
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Re: Sea Chest Clog Alarm
Roque
Karen,
I just ordered mine from Amel, $60,62 euros each, adaptor included (ex-Vat & shipping). Hasn't arrived yet. As far as I know, they are are made by Elettrotec – Italy (http://www.elettrotec.com/US/Vacuum_Switches.asp). The adjustable pressure range (Elettrotec), depending on the model, is from -200 to -900 mbar.
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Re: Timer for autmatic watermaker flush
eric freedman
Hi Mark, Thank You, I did not see the spec sheet before.
That will work nicely. I just have to remember to turn it off when I am on board. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark McGovern
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 5:43 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Timer for autmatic watermaker flush
Eric, I didn't really see it specified anywhere in the eBay listing but if you scroll through the pictures you will see a schematic showing a 16amp switch. It also looks to be identical to this timer sold on Amazon that states that it is has a 16amp switch: https://www.amazon.com/Baomain-CN101-Digital-Programmable-Switch/dp/B01MRYMT3H/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=24vdc+timer&qid=1606595869&sr=8-9
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Re: Timer for autmatic watermaker flush
Mark McGovern
Eric, I didn't really see it specified anywhere in the eBay listing but if you scroll through the pictures you will see a schematic showing a 16amp switch. It also looks to be identical to this timer sold on Amazon that states that it is has a 16amp switch: https://www.amazon.com/Baomain-CN101-Digital-Programmable-Switch/dp/B01MRYMT3H/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=24vdc+timer&qid=1606595869&sr=8-9
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Re: Timer for autmatic watermaker flush
eric freedman
Hi Mark, Where did you find the Amp rating? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
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Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 3:55 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Timer for autmatic watermaker flush
Eric,
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Re: Timer for autmatic watermaker flush
Mark McGovern
Eric,
It's appears to have a 16amp switch but you never really know with a ~$9 eBay timer. If you are concerned, you could always have the timer control a relay and have the relay control the pump. -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: Timer for autmatic watermaker flush
eric freedman
Hi Mark, I was just thinking of running a additional wire to the hot side of the fresh water pump, with a switch in the circuit. I would leave the pump circuit breaker off and when the timer is activated it would run the pump for a few minutes. My only concern is, can the timer carry the current needed for the pump. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
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Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:16 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Timer for autmatic watermaker flush
Eric,
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Re: Timer for autmatic watermaker flush
Yes, and let me add a warning about a potential mistake...I made it when I first did this. Mark McGovern is correct about the solenoid that he says I used, but it was not the first one I used. The first one I used was indeed 24 volts, but AC rather than DC voltage. There are many 24VAC solenoid water valves available because this is what many lawn sprinkler systems use. And that is what I used until it failed about 2-3 months later. Be sure to check for DC Voltage:
On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:16 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote: Eric,
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Re: Timer for autmatic watermaker flush
Mark McGovern
Eric,
This programmable timer is very similar if not identical to the one that Bill Rouse has posted about using for this purpose: http://www.ebay.com/itm/224040425984 You also need a 24vdc solenoid like this one for the timer to control the flow of freshwater: https://www.burkert-usa.com/en/products/solenoid-valves/water-solenoid-valves/221602 -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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