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Re: Self Insurance

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Bill.  Yes, if this is successful, the plan is that owners be allowed to opt in to the plan at any time (assuming there is enough critical mass to even begin such an effort).  I actually live right on the shores of Lake Simcoe although right now you can drive on it and people are essentially living in ice fishing huts at the moment!  

Brent

On Mar 8, 2021, 7:00 PM -0500, Bill Schwanitz <billschwanitz@...>, wrote:
Hi Brent,

I see that you sign as a "Future Amel Owner", and that gets to the root of my question. If I haven't yet become a "Current Amel Owner" when this Amel Owners Insurance Group is officially formed, will there be a way for me to buy in once I have purchased my boat?

Cheers,
Bill

P.S. I see you live near Lake Simcoe. I used to spend most of my summers in the Kawarthas when I was a kid. Beautiful area!

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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada
Re: Self Insurance

Bill Schwanitz
 

Hi Brent,

I see that you sign as a "Future Amel Owner", and that gets to the root of my question. If I haven't yet become a "Current Amel Owner" when this Amel Owners Insurance Group is officially formed, will there be a way for me to buy in once I have purchased my boat?

Cheers,
Bill

P.S. I see you live near Lake Simcoe. I used to spend most of my summers in the Kawarthas when I was a kid. Beautiful area!
Re: Self Insurance

Aras Grinius
 

My insurance expires in June, so I too would be interested for my Sharki.
Aras Grinius
Sharki #163 1988

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 5:11 PM Nat Bossett <nbossett@...> wrote:
Pantanaeus gave me reasonable notice that they were pulling out of the
USA market (and have been otherwise pleasant to work with, I'd contact
Lisa in their NY office again), but this was in the height of COVID here
so working with a yard and surveyor to get things done for the standard
insurance companies would have been a hassle bordering on unmanageable.

I did find one that would handle it on short notice without an
additional survey (and at a reasonable price!) though the cruising
limits are tiny.  I really don't blame them for that even though the
limits are almost comical because I pretty much asked them for liability
coverage and said that given COVID I didn't plan to really go anywhere
far from my California USA slip for a year anyway so quote me
something... and they did.

An owner's association plan would be interesting.  I'd be interested to
see how something like that can be structured (neutral underwriting and
claim processing).

-Nathan

Maramu #29

On 08.03.2021 13:26, Teun BAAS wrote:
> Miles, Brent et alia,
>
> Not only the fact that the carriers refuse to renew is bothersome but,
> in my experience, you get this notice ONLY 3, maybe 4 weeks ahead of
> expiration; now adding the additional " beat the dead line" pressure
<SNIP>
>
> Best Regards Teun
>
> SV AMELIT  A54  #128
>
> In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
>







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Aras Grinius
Re: Perkins Prima M50 Transmission ratio

Aras Grinius
 

Thanks Michael.  
Aras 
Sharki #163 1988

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 4:35 PM michael winand via groups.io <mfw642000=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote:
I went with the 2.45 tmc with a beta 60. Using the auto prop.
I would ask beta what they suggest. 
Michael  Nebo sm251 


On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 4:58 am, Aras Grinius
Would anyone know the transmission ration for a Perkins Prima M50 engine with a Hurth transmission gear ratio?  My prop measure 19".
I'm replacing my engine with a Beta Marine 50 and TCM 60 Tranny (2:1) gear ratio.  To the best of knowledge this should be fine....unless someone has other info.

So with a new engine painted red, I should be faster!  Alot faster than I am now.....

Aras Grinius
Sharki #163 1988



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Aras Grinius
Re: Rudder Post Bonding

eric freedman
 

On Kimberlite it is in the stern locker starboard side at he back of my shelf.

Fair Winds,

Erics sm376

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam Body
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 4:34 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Post Bonding

 

That makes sense! Thank you Bill. Do you know the place where the wiring for  SSB ground plate (on the skeg) emerges into the hull, and the color of that wire?
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Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994

Re: Self Insurance

Nat Bossett
 

Pantanaeus gave me reasonable notice that they were pulling out of the USA market (and have been otherwise pleasant to work with, I'd contact Lisa in their NY office again), but this was in the height of COVID here so working with a yard and surveyor to get things done for the standard insurance companies would have been a hassle bordering on unmanageable.

I did find one that would handle it on short notice without an additional survey (and at a reasonable price!) though the cruising limits are tiny. I really don't blame them for that even though the limits are almost comical because I pretty much asked them for liability coverage and said that given COVID I didn't plan to really go anywhere far from my California USA slip for a year anyway so quote me something... and they did.

An owner's association plan would be interesting. I'd be interested to see how something like that can be structured (neutral underwriting and claim processing).

-Nathan

Maramu #29

On 08.03.2021 13:26, Teun BAAS wrote:
Miles, Brent et alia,
Not only the fact that the carriers refuse to renew is bothersome but,
in my experience, you get this notice ONLY 3, maybe 4 weeks ahead of
expiration; now adding the additional " beat the dead line" pressure
<SNIP>
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
Re: Perkins Prima M50 Transmission ratio

michael winand
 

I went with the 2.45 tmc with a beta 60. Using the auto prop.
I would ask beta what they suggest. 
Michael  Nebo sm251 


On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 4:58 am, Aras Grinius
<aras.grinius@...> wrote:
Would anyone know the transmission ration for a Perkins Prima M50 engine with a Hurth transmission gear ratio?  My prop measure 19".
I'm replacing my engine with a Beta Marine 50 and TCM 60 Tranny (2:1) gear ratio.  To the best of knowledge this should be fine....unless someone has other info.

So with a new engine painted red, I should be faster!  Alot faster than I am now.....

Aras Grinius
Sharki #163 1988

Re: Rudder Post Bonding

Adam Body
 

That makes sense! Thank you Bill. Do you know the place where the wiring for  SSB ground plate (on the skeg) emerges into the hull, and the color of that wire?
--
Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994
Re: Self Insurance

Teun BAAS
 

Miles, Brent et alia,

 

Not only the fact that the carriers refuse to renew is bothersome but, in my experience, you get this notice ONLY 3, maybe 4 weeks ahead of expiration; now adding the additional “ beat the dead line” pressure in the search & research for a new insurance provider. Originally my agent offered a cover which was almost 3 times what I paid the previous year to which I replied “not a snowball’s chance in hell” am I going to pay that. However, searching for almost 2 weeks to no avail I was mentally getting ready to pay this amount when he returned with my current policy which, although USD2K more expensive (of which about USD1,100 Dutch Insurance taxes simply because the boat was registered in THE NETHERLANDS), then my previous insurance I accepted.

 

Talking last year to several parties involved (owners, agents as well as front companies, re-insurers in LONDON etc.) I have come to the conclusion that obtaining cover is going to be far more challenging than “can I get a better price”.

 

Therefore – being able to get some control of the process by developing an AMEL Group insurance would be extremely helpful. In order to help the small research team pls IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, please help by filling out the survey at: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW 


 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

March 8, 2021 14:18:36

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Miles via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 06:42
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance

 

Hi Brent,

 

I have just received notice that my insurance will not be renewed so I am now interested.

 

Regards,

 

Miles s/y Ladybug,  sm216

Perkins Prima M50 Transmission ratio

Aras Grinius
 

Would anyone know the transmission ration for a Perkins Prima M50 engine with a Hurth transmission gear ratio?  My prop measure 19".
I'm replacing my engine with a Beta Marine 50 and TCM 60 Tranny (2:1) gear ratio.  To the best of knowledge this should be fine....unless someone has other info.

So with a new engine painted red, I should be faster!  Alot faster than I am now.....

Aras Grinius
Sharki #163 1988
Re: Damaged Chock

Steve Leeds
 

Aras,
I believe the chock is a Goiot but I don't find it in their current catalog.  Maybe AMEL has one in stock.  clean up the damaged deck, tape under the deck and wet out with West System epoxy and then fill with West System epoxy thickened with high density (404) filler.  Don't over fill the hole as this stuff is super strong and does not sand easily.  Get a gelcoat specialist to match and clean up the area you can see.  If you can find the replacement chock, bolt one side and drill down through the new one.  There should be a backing plate underneath.  

I you were using the same type of low stretch line that you show in the photo of the good chock, that helps explain what happened.  You should be using high stretch nylon line for dock lines to absorb the movement of the boat and act as a shock absorber.

I hope that helps,

regards,
Steve Leeds
Sharki #121 1985


On Monday, March 8, 2021, 07:33:23 AM EST, Aras Grinius <aras.grinius@...> wrote:


So for the last several days we had some quite strong Northeasters blowing [gusting up to 30 knots].  These unrelenting winds have taken a toll on my 30 year old chock.  I need to replace them. I sent Maude a note asking for new new ones.  The questions is how to best repair the fiberglass damage and make it strong as the original or better.  More over, access to the corner is very difficult on my Sharki.

Aras Grinius
Sharki #163 1988

Damaged Chock

Aras Grinius
 

So for the last several days we had some quite strong Northeasters blowing [gusting up to 30 knots].  These unrelenting winds have taken a toll on my 30 year old chock.  I need to replace them. I sent Maude a note asking for new new ones.  The questions is how to best repair the fiberglass damage and make it strong as the original or better.  More over, access to the corner is very difficult on my Sharki.

Aras Grinius
Sharki #163 1988
Re: Rudder Post Bonding

CW Bill Rouse
 

Adam,

Your SM was most likely delivered to the first owner without an anode on the propeller. Read the attached two pages from my Amel Book.

 AutoProp by Bruntons.pdf

 Checking Bonding Contiuity.pdf

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:46 AM Adam Body <adamgcbody@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill. The cone zinc anode on the prop is eroding nicely. But the anode on the rudder shows almost no corrosion..I wonder if this is a symptom of a loss of continuity somewhere?
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Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994

Re: Rudder Post Bonding

Adam Body
 

Thanks Bill. The cone zinc anode on the prop is eroding nicely. But the anode on the rudder shows almost no corrosion..I wonder if this is a symptom of a loss of continuity somewhere?
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Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994
Re: Self Insurance

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Miles. That’s exactly the reason the group has been working in this potential offering- to ensure that Amel owners can continue to enjoy using their Amel’s as designed. 

IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, please help us by filling out the survey at: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW 

PS. Where did you and Ladybug end up this winter as I imagine that you weren’t able to get into Le Marin or Guadeloupe this year?  Fair winds!

Brent

On Mar 7, 2021, 8:41 AM -0500, Miles <milesbid@...>, wrote:

Hi Brent,

 

I have just received notice that my insurance will not be renewed so I am now interested.

 

Regards,

 

Miles s/y Ladybug,  sm216


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada
Re: Self Insurance

Miles
 

Hi Brent,

 

I have just received notice that my insurance will not be renewed so I am now interested.

 

Regards,

 

Miles s/y Ladybug,  sm216

Re: Rudder Post Bonding

CW Bill Rouse
 

Adam,

See the following for continuity checks.

 Checking Bonding Contiuity.pdf
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 2:28 PM Adam Body <adamgcbody@...> wrote:
Thanks for all of your ideas. The green and yellow wires are already securely attached to the rudder post and are the main bonding wires. I will check the continuity between these and the green wires. The odd thing is the zince anode on the rudder is not eroding. So when next she is on the hard I should check continuity between the anode and the ruddet post and the green/yellow wires. Could the green wires have something to do with the SSB? I will check .....
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Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994

Re: Rudder Post Bonding

Adam Body
 

Thanks for all of your ideas. The green and yellow wires are already securely attached to the rudder post and are the main bonding wires. I will check the continuity between these and the green wires. The odd thing is the zince anode on the rudder is not eroding. So when next she is on the hard I should check continuity between the anode and the ruddet post and the green/yellow wires. Could the green wires have something to do with the SSB? I will check .....
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Adam Body "Flora"   SM128 Annee 1994
Re: Self Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

Right on Brent


On Mar 6, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Brent Cameron via groups.io <brentcameron61@...> wrote:


Hi Courtney, for sure this isn’t something that is going to happen in a month or two… at best it would likely be ready for the fall if there is sufficient interest (right now we have something like 125 responses and we were hoping for about 200-500) but much more likely for the 2022 year as there would be a lot of tasks to complete before we could start providing cover (including setting up a company, assigning directors, getting backing coverage, etc).  JB Duler is our insurance expert and can likely give you a better idea on the potential timeline if I’m way off.  

In terms of the interest seen so far, it seems that one of the issues we are facing is that a lot of the AYOG group do not subscribe to regular messages on this forum so it seems likely that we haven’t reached our goal in terms of actually reaching out to potential owners.   So if you (or any of the folks reading this) know of any owners that we might not have reached, please let them know to fill out the survey at: 
English version: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW
French version:https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/bsWP60ko

 

Brent

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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada
Re: Self Insurance

Matt Salatino
 

If you send me an explanatory invitation, I’ll post it on the Amel 50/60 page to solicit another 50 Amel owners. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Mar 6, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Brent Cameron via groups.io <brentcameron61@...> wrote:


Hi Courtney, for sure this isn’t something that is going to happen in a month or two… at best it would likely be ready for the fall if there is sufficient interest (right now we have something like 125 responses and we were hoping for about 200-500) but much more likely for the 2022 year as there would be a lot of tasks to complete before we could start providing cover (including setting up a company, assigning directors, getting backing coverage, etc).  JB Duler is our insurance expert and can likely give you a better idea on the potential timeline if I’m way off.  

In terms of the interest seen so far, it seems that one of the issues we are facing is that a lot of the AYOG group do not subscribe to regular messages on this forum so it seems likely that we haven’t reached our goal in terms of actually reaching out to potential owners.   So if you (or any of the folks reading this) know of any owners that we might not have reached, please let them know to fill out the survey at: 
English version: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW
French version:https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/bsWP60ko

 

Brent

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada
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