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Re: VHF antennas

Scott SV Tengah
 

Porter, 

It's not the solder that's the issue. It's the design of the PL-259 plug used for VHF antennas. You just have to seal it well with self amalgamating tape and then a layer of good electrical tape. I even zip tied the electrical tape for good measure.

Some stuff the plug with silicone grease to remove all air pockets. But knowing how nothing sticks to silicone, I just put a little grease on the conductor and then wrapped the whole connector up really well. 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:17 PM Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Is there a solder that is marine rated and less likely to participate in the ever present electrolytic process? 

Has anyone ever gold plated terminals or wire?  Would that help ( as gold is a highly noble metal) with corrosion in these important and hard-to-maintain locations?



Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206

On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:15 AM, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:


Mark,

I bought 43 meters of RG-8X and that was enough on my A54 to run new cable from:

(1) The vhf antenna at the top of the main all the way to the VHF headunit (NOT just the coupler at the mastbase inside the boat) 
(2) The ais antenna at the top of the mizzen down to just the coupler in the aft shower, at the mizzen mastbase.

I got mine from Davis RF in the US - cheapest I found for marine rated rg-8x. I can't imagine trying to squeeze thicker cable through the conduits, but I believe some others have tried and possibly even succeeded. The original A54 cable is much thinner RG-58, FYI.

Get real soldered PL-259 connectors and watch some youtube videos on how to do it. I rubber taped the connectors and then put 3M electrical tape over it. The PL-259 are not, by design, waterproof.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 8:50 PM Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:
If anybody has replaced their VHF cables could you tell me what lengths of cable were needed for the main and mizzen masts.

I am away from the boat at the moment but this is a job we need to do because our VHF reception is really poor. No doubt almost completely caused by me having to splice the cable after inadvertently cutting it!
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Steering Wheel Dimensions for new leather cover - AMEL Sharki?

Aras Grinius
 

bare metal was 22mm [rim] 24 with leather.  ALL dimensions are bare metal.
I think there might be some slight variation during manufacture of the wheel. 

Aras
Sharki #163 1988


On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:22 AM Johannes Schmidt <info@...> wrote:

Dear Aras,

thank you for submitting these measurements - just to be sure as you mentioned the leather - wrap with 2 mm:
Is the rim (and/or the other dimensions) therefore 24mm with or without the leather - or is 24mm already the final (blank) dimension? Typical rim / tube sizes are 22mm, 25mm, 28mm....

Thanks for a short verification!

Johannes



--
Aras Grinius


Re: Rigging and Terminals

VICTOR MOLERO
 

Thank you so much, Arno and Bill. 
This group is awesome! An endless well of valuable information...
Best.
Victor 


Re: Steering Wheel Dimensions for new leather cover - AMEL Sharki?

Johannes Schmidt
 

Dear Aras,

thank you for submitting these measurements - just to be sure as you mentioned the leather - wrap with 2 mm:
Is the rim (and/or the other dimensions) therefore 24mm with or without the leather - or is 24mm already the final (blank) dimension? Typical rim / tube sizes are 22mm, 25mm, 28mm....

Thanks for a short verification!

Johannes


Re: Running rigging

Drew Gaffney
 

Hi Bill,
I have the "running rigging llist on pg 19.  Is that the list you note above?
I think I'm a bit confused as the various brands and suppliers don't always include the actual type of material.
We're heading back to Sardinia next Wednesday and I was going to replace some of the older lines.
Thanks,
Drew 


Re: VHF antennas

Paul Harries
 


Re: Steering Wheel Dimensions for new leather cover - AMEL Sharki?

Aras Grinius
 

The wheel dimensions I measured are as follows:
Spokes at the hub 38mm
Spokes at the rim 18mm
Rim 24 mm

Leather wrap is 2mm

I hope this helps

Aras 
Sharkli #163 1988


On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:40 AM Johannes Schmidt <info@...> wrote:
Dear Aras,
Thank you for your offer to further support in this matter. I am still a little unsure about the exact diameter of the tube. Do you have a chance to take the dimensions of the tube without a cover - ideally with a caliper? I have found a possible product, so in addition to the exact tube diameter, I mainly need the dimensions of the spokes: The diameter - on the outside - junction point to the circle, as well as the diameter of the spokes 10 cm further inside - as the spokes are conical .

To make things easier, here is the link to the product we're looking for: Skincloshop

Thanks in advance!

Johannes

Many ThanksOn Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 09:01 PM, Aras Grinius wrote:
Johannes,
 
Are you still stuck on the dimensions of the wheel?
I can go and measure mine.
 
Aras 
Sharki #163

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 3:36 AM Johannes Schmidt <info@...> wrote:
Dear Greg,

I did receive your fabulous message and replied to say thanks a lot - didn't you get this?

Please look up your Junk folders too - I recently got messages that I get (false positively) suspected.

Thanks again for your help!

Johannes 

 

 


 
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Aras Grinius



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Aras Grinius


Re: VHF antennas

Porter McRoberts
 

Is there a solder that is marine rated and less likely to participate in the ever present electrolytic process? 

Has anyone ever gold plated terminals or wire?  Would that help ( as gold is a highly noble metal) with corrosion in these important and hard-to-maintain locations?



Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:15 AM, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:


Mark,

I bought 43 meters of RG-8X and that was enough on my A54 to run new cable from:

(1) The vhf antenna at the top of the main all the way to the VHF headunit (NOT just the coupler at the mastbase inside the boat) 
(2) The ais antenna at the top of the mizzen down to just the coupler in the aft shower, at the mizzen mastbase.

I got mine from Davis RF in the US - cheapest I found for marine rated rg-8x. I can't imagine trying to squeeze thicker cable through the conduits, but I believe some others have tried and possibly even succeeded. The original A54 cable is much thinner RG-58, FYI.

Get real soldered PL-259 connectors and watch some youtube videos on how to do it. I rubber taped the connectors and then put 3M electrical tape over it. The PL-259 are not, by design, waterproof.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 8:50 PM Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:
If anybody has replaced their VHF cables could you tell me what lengths of cable were needed for the main and mizzen masts.

I am away from the boat at the moment but this is a job we need to do because our VHF reception is really poor. No doubt almost completely caused by me having to splice the cable after inadvertently cutting it!
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Rigging and Terminals

 

Arno,

Agree completely including the preference for turnbuckles with Stainless with bronze inserts. ACMO offers these and ACMO is still my number one choice for a complete rigging kit because it is high quality and is always a perfect fit. Any other rigger will not have the manufacturer's most up-to-date specifications and will simply attempt to copy what you have. In the case of the Amel 54, the rigging specs changed 2 or 3 times during production. If a 54 is being re-rigged, the rigger making the rigging will use the same size wire which was originally installed, and that 54 will not have the benefit of the changed and upgraded specs.

Contact for ACMO:
Laetitia BOUDON <laetitia@...>
+(33) 3.81.35.70.86
www.acmo.fr


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:03 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Dyform is not better. It has for the same diameter more strength but is also more expensive. Dyform is a way to shape the individual strands into a shape that packs them more dense compared to classic rigging.
So in the end it is a bit of a trade off. Given the fact that the standard Amel rig uses normal wire, I struggle to see the advantage for dyform on an Amel. High performance boats like to use is so they can use thinner stays and shrouds. It is still cheaper then rod-rigging, let alone composite rigging.

I'm not sure if terminals can be such a big difference unless they are China-made. What can be a difference are the bottle screws. There are Stainless versions, Bronze one and Stainless with bronze inserts. Personally I like the last ones as you get a nice lasting shine and a reliable thread connection.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: VHF antennas

Scott SV Tengah
 

Mark,

I bought 43 meters of RG-8X and that was enough on my A54 to run new cable from:

(1) The vhf antenna at the top of the main all the way to the VHF headunit (NOT just the coupler at the mastbase inside the boat) 
(2) The ais antenna at the top of the mizzen down to just the coupler in the aft shower, at the mizzen mastbase.

I got mine from Davis RF in the US - cheapest I found for marine rated rg-8x. I can't imagine trying to squeeze thicker cable through the conduits, but I believe some others have tried and possibly even succeeded. The original A54 cable is much thinner RG-58, FYI.

Get real soldered PL-259 connectors and watch some youtube videos on how to do it. I rubber taped the connectors and then put 3M electrical tape over it. The PL-259 are not, by design, waterproof.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 8:50 PM Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:
If anybody has replaced their VHF cables could you tell me what lengths of cable were needed for the main and mizzen masts.

I am away from the boat at the moment but this is a job we need to do because our VHF reception is really poor. No doubt almost completely caused by me having to splice the cable after inadvertently cutting it!
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Rigging and Terminals

Arno Luijten
 

Dyform is not better. It has for the same diameter more strength but is also more expensive. Dyform is a way to shape the individual strands into a shape that packs them more dense compared to classic rigging.
So in the end it is a bit of a trade off. Given the fact that the standard Amel rig uses normal wire, I struggle to see the advantage for dyform on an Amel. High performance boats like to use is so they can use thinner stays and shrouds. It is still cheaper then rod-rigging, let alone composite rigging.

I'm not sure if terminals can be such a big difference unless they are China-made. What can be a difference are the bottle screws. There are Stainless versions, Bronze one and Stainless with bronze inserts. Personally I like the last ones as you get a nice lasting shine and a reliable thread connection.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Rigging and Terminals

VICTOR MOLERO
 

Hello all.
I know that a lot has been written and discussed in this group about rigging and terminals, much more than what I feel myself prepared to understand, so please let me launch two quick questions, now that I am about to change my rigging...
- What terminals are best, ACMO or BSI? Amel uses ACMO, but I am being promised that BSI are superior...
- What wire is best, DYform or WDS? Amel uses WDS if I'm right, but DYform seems to be better. 
Thank you very much in advance for your recommendations...
Best.
Victor
Alendoy SM314


Re: Storage Hatch gaskets

 

Yes, I believe they will work on a SM, 54, or 55 but to be 100% sure order a small amount or a sample from SAV@...

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:49 AM Randall Walker <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:
Hello Bill,
Do you think these seals on the 50 would be usable on my 54 ? I know some seals come in a roll and others are custom moulded. Thanks

Randall
A54#56
Grenada

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 17:05 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Pat,

I really like what Amel is currently using on the Amel 50. It's the best thing I've seen. Photo attached. 

I am training a crew the week on a brand new 50. It is an amazing Amel.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021, 7:56 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill ,Just want to double check the size of the gasket. I had a look at mine and they are 1" wide ,but where they are not depressed ,at the edges they appear to only be about 1/2" in height and in the center that bears the weight they are depressed down to about  a 1/4" ,maybe 3/8' . I just wanted to make sure that they might not have been 1/2 or 3/4" in height originally .
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2021 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Storage Hatch gaskets

Pat,

They are "D Profile: and 25mm, or 1" I think the following will work for you:

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 2:37 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would like to replace the gaskets on all the storage hatches ,they are compressed and leaking somewhat. Does anyone know the dimensions and a source in the US. to buy them. I wonder if they have an adhesive backing or applied with contact cement, a backing would be less messy and easier.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Santorin aft cabin configurations

Greg Thomas
 

Thank you Ian.
I was curious, as the interior layout drawings (and photos) for the Maramu have the double+desk. And I have seen photos of Super-Maramus with both configurations. But I've not seen a Santorin with the double+desk.


Windlass ans BT batteries

Loïc TAUZIN
 

I change my service batteries with lithium.
But the BT and the windlass are connected on these batteries.
I want to connect on the motor battery Park, but how can I do that ? 
Thanks

Loïc

Santorin sloop N°35.


Re: Santorin aft cabin configurations

Ian Park
 

Maybe early on. My ‘94 Santorin has a double berth to port and a single berth to starboard. We have put a couple extra fittings for he Lee boards to make into a settee, unless we need it for a single berth. 
Ian, Ocean Hobo SN96


On 21 Jun 2021, at 14:01, Greg Thomas <gregthomasesq@...> wrote:

Thanks Loïc,

That's the only configuration that I've seen (not that I've seen very many). But I was curious whether the double+desk was ever offered on the SN.
Greg


Re: VHF antennas

Mark Barter
 

If anybody has replaced their VHF cables could you tell me what lengths of cable were needed for the main and mizzen masts.

I am away from the boat at the moment but this is a job we need to do because our VHF reception is really poor. No doubt almost completely caused by me having to splice the cable after inadvertently cutting it!
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Air con circulating pump

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 

Allo I would like to have the pic and the model nr. 
Cheers Heinz, Sv quetzal,  sm2000, 292



Am 22.06.2021 um 01:34 schrieb Bryce Procter via groups.io <Balibryce@...>:

Hi Nick,
I replaced mine with a March magnetic drive two years ago and it has been going faultlessly since. As with yours it is much smaller and extremely quiet. I have been moored in Malaysia and it runs almost 20 hours a day without issue. Cost from memory was about 600 AUD. If interested I can send you a pic and model number.

Cheers

Bryce Procter
Seamaster II
SM 2000 #467

--
Hello 
Since yesterday when I tried to park in a box in a marina in Auckland my bow thruster motor failed. 
If I turn the beam to the left or right the whole power supply breaks down for a moment. After that the power is back. 
I took the rudder off and it can be turned perfectly by hand. 
But the same happens with the engine. No power for a few seconds, all instruments off, no rotation of the motor. 
Does anyone know this problem. 
Does anyone know how I can find out if it's the motor or maybe a relay that doesn't work. 
Can I test the motor without a relay, maybe on the 4 cables marked D1, D2, and A1, A2?
I am grateful for a quick answer.
Heinz SY Quetzal, SM 2000, 292


Re: Air con circulating pump

Alan Leslie
 

We did the same, our mag drive pump is rated at some 800 gph and it works fine....it's much smaller, quieter, no more screwdriver tricks to get things going, no leaks and no connection between AC ground and Amel bonding.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

Alain Durante
 

Bonjour Nick,

 

Thank you very much for the information and I will try to find a good solution.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Meige / Amel 54-21

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de ngtnewington Newington via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 21 juin 2021 08:27
À : main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

 

Hi Alain,

 

This is copied from my email to the forum back 2020.

 

I found on eBay Leece-Neville part number K176101466, priced $30. This is a K section 8 groove pulley with 63mm diameter.  The bore is 7/8 inch with keyway to fit the alternator. The pulley was new and unused.

 

Micro v belts can go round much smaller pulleys. I think for the K section it is a minimum of 45mm. So no problem going round a 63mm pulley.

 

I then took the original 230mm double groove pulley, that bolts to the Volvo crankshaft to my local machine shop in the UK who milled it down to match the Leece-Neville one I bought. He did a superb job for £60. 

 

Please see the photos of the big pulley that has been machined down from 230mm to 200mm.

 

So I calculate that I now have a pulley ratio of 3.14 whilst before it was 2.7. Thus at idle (725 rpm on the engine) the alternator now runs at 2300 rpm and will be charging nicely. Where as before in idle it was running at 1957 rpm. The alternator only kicks in at 2000 rpm. So in the boat manoeuvring situation we will now have proper charge, and we all know how much power the Bowthruster uses.

 

The alternator is rated for a maximum RPM of 8000. The Volvo D3 has maximum rpm of about 2700 so I calculate that the maximum engine rpm will have to be 2547.

 

Seeing as that is really thrashing the engine and I never run it it that level apart from the once a year blast out. I will put a small sticker at the helm saying Max RPM 2500.

 

Total cost in US$ including new Gates Fleetrunner belt about $125.

 

Obviously when I get back to the boat I will have to align the alternator, but note how now both pulley are exactly the same width. It will be much easier than before where one pulley was 47mm and the other 52mm. The machine shop supplied me with a few spacers, washers of different thickness, to help but I may well have to have a washer made  for the final alignment.

 

So now that I have it fitted I can report that it works well. The only thing is that small pulley required a small spacer about 5mm for the nut to clamp it to the fan.

 

I also report that the belt that I am using fits nicely Gates FleetRunner Micro V 8PK1255HD

 

Kind regards

 

Nick

 

Amelia 

AML 54-019

Patmos

 

 

 



On 21 Jun 2021, at 09:02, Alain Durante <info@...> wrote:

 

Bonjour Nick,

I also want to improve the drive pulley on my 175 A alternator so do you have any technical information and parts number to help me to do the modification?

Cordialement,

Alain Durante

Amel 54-021 / Meige

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Objet : [AmelYachtOwners] Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

Whilst in lockdown I bought a nice new heat shield for the turbo.  See below, the original was messy and shed fibre glass.
More importantly I re-machined the drive pulley to micro v PK8 And bought an off the shelf Reece Neville pulley to match.
They are now fitted and aligned perfectly.
I can report, but only after a couple of hours use, that it runs well at much lower temperature. Previously the belts and pulleys ran 100 degrees C now 52!
Also due to improved ratio, at idle the alternator generates 43A v about 12A before.
I calculate that  max rpm should be limited to 2600 as that will max out the alternator rating of 8000 rpm.
The Volvo WOT is specked at 2750. I plan to make a label at the helm to say max rpm 2600.
Frankly the only time I open the throttle full tilt is to blast away any soot build up but at 2600 it all seams a bit much anyway.
So far no dust but it is early days.
Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019 Patmos









 

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