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Re: Air con circulating pump

Alan Leslie
 

We did the same, our mag drive pump is rated at some 800 gph and it works fine....it's much smaller, quieter, no more screwdriver tricks to get things going, no leaks and no connection between AC ground and Amel bonding.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

Alain Durante
 

Bonjour Nick,

 

Thank you very much for the information and I will try to find a good solution.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Meige / Amel 54-21

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de ngtnewington Newington via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 21 juin 2021 08:27
À : main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

 

Hi Alain,

 

This is copied from my email to the forum back 2020.

 

I found on eBay Leece-Neville part number K176101466, priced $30. This is a K section 8 groove pulley with 63mm diameter.  The bore is 7/8 inch with keyway to fit the alternator. The pulley was new and unused.

 

Micro v belts can go round much smaller pulleys. I think for the K section it is a minimum of 45mm. So no problem going round a 63mm pulley.

 

I then took the original 230mm double groove pulley, that bolts to the Volvo crankshaft to my local machine shop in the UK who milled it down to match the Leece-Neville one I bought. He did a superb job for £60. 

 

Please see the photos of the big pulley that has been machined down from 230mm to 200mm.

 

So I calculate that I now have a pulley ratio of 3.14 whilst before it was 2.7. Thus at idle (725 rpm on the engine) the alternator now runs at 2300 rpm and will be charging nicely. Where as before in idle it was running at 1957 rpm. The alternator only kicks in at 2000 rpm. So in the boat manoeuvring situation we will now have proper charge, and we all know how much power the Bowthruster uses.

 

The alternator is rated for a maximum RPM of 8000. The Volvo D3 has maximum rpm of about 2700 so I calculate that the maximum engine rpm will have to be 2547.

 

Seeing as that is really thrashing the engine and I never run it it that level apart from the once a year blast out. I will put a small sticker at the helm saying Max RPM 2500.

 

Total cost in US$ including new Gates Fleetrunner belt about $125.

 

Obviously when I get back to the boat I will have to align the alternator, but note how now both pulley are exactly the same width. It will be much easier than before where one pulley was 47mm and the other 52mm. The machine shop supplied me with a few spacers, washers of different thickness, to help but I may well have to have a washer made  for the final alignment.

 

So now that I have it fitted I can report that it works well. The only thing is that small pulley required a small spacer about 5mm for the nut to clamp it to the fan.

 

I also report that the belt that I am using fits nicely Gates FleetRunner Micro V 8PK1255HD

 

Kind regards

 

Nick

 

Amelia 

AML 54-019

Patmos

 

 

 



On 21 Jun 2021, at 09:02, Alain Durante <info@...> wrote:

 

Bonjour Nick,

I also want to improve the drive pulley on my 175 A alternator so do you have any technical information and parts number to help me to do the modification?

Cordialement,

Alain Durante

Amel 54-021 / Meige

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Objet : [AmelYachtOwners] Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

Whilst in lockdown I bought a nice new heat shield for the turbo.  See below, the original was messy and shed fibre glass.
More importantly I re-machined the drive pulley to micro v PK8 And bought an off the shelf Reece Neville pulley to match.
They are now fitted and aligned perfectly.
I can report, but only after a couple of hours use, that it runs well at much lower temperature. Previously the belts and pulleys ran 100 degrees C now 52!
Also due to improved ratio, at idle the alternator generates 43A v about 12A before.
I calculate that  max rpm should be limited to 2600 as that will max out the alternator rating of 8000 rpm.
The Volvo WOT is specked at 2750. I plan to make a label at the helm to say max rpm 2600.
Frankly the only time I open the throttle full tilt is to blast away any soot build up but at 2600 it all seams a bit much anyway.
So far no dust but it is early days.
Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019 Patmos









 


Re: SM Hard top

VICTOR MOLERO
 

I did as Lady Anila and yes, it's the best we've done in the boat. I will always be thankful to my friend Jonas for his support and advice...
Victor
SM314 Alendoy


Re: Air con circulating pump

Bryce Procter
 

Hi Nick,
I replaced mine with a March magnetic drive two years ago and it has been going faultlessly since. As with yours it is much smaller and extremely quiet. I have been moored in Malaysia and it runs almost 20 hours a day without issue. Cost from memory was about 600 AUD. If interested I can send you a pic and model number.

Cheers

Bryce Procter
Seamaster II
SM 2000 #467


Re: Dessalator water maker pre filter housing

Vladan SV PAME
 

Here it is.

 

Vladan

S.V. Pame

A54 #157

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Schmit
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 20:01
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator water maker pre filter housing

 

Anyone have a picture of the “tool”?

thanks
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


--
Vladan

A54 #157
SV PAME


Re: Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

 

Nick,

Great find! The Leece - Neville was not an issue on the SM, but was an issue on the D3 in early 54s. I know this will help others.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 6:47 AM Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:
Ummmmm shedding fiberglass? Isn't the turbo heat pad made of asbestos? I'm pretty sure mine is.... 


Re: Air con circulating pump

 

Nick,

If you cruise in the tropics, that will not be enough water flow.

From my Amel Book:
"The basic rule of thumb is 1 gallon per minute (GPM) is required for every 4,000 Btu’s of capacity. So, 9,000 * 3 = 27,000/4,000= 6.75gal/min * 3.785=25.55liters/min * 60 = 1,532 liters/hour OR, 6,75GPM * 60 = 405GPH. 

The original 53 & 54 pump, the Climma BCM20 is rated at 1200+ gal/hr (GPH), which is three times what it should be rated at using the "rule of thumb." However, as you know, when all 3 A/Cs are running, the salon gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. And the
fore AC gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC and the salon AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. I really do not know how to take all of that "pre-heated" water into account.

Veco (Climma) uses Calpeda pumps and brands them with the Climma brand. When they do this, they assign a Climma number. The Calpeda number is BCM20/E for the original AC saltwater pump. Calpeda no longer offers a BCM20/E, they currently offer a Calpeda BCM22/1/A-R and it is 50/60Hz. It moves 1,700GPH. And even better is the Gianneschi 01CB22G302 with a 95MM Impeller. It pumps 1841 GPH and is 230VAC 50/60htz."

The thing that ruins all required flow calculations is that the ACs on SMs and 54s are connected to the saltwater line in series.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 1:10 AM ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I bought a Dormaire magnetic aircon circulating pump rated 950gph to replace the old. Euro 264.
It pumps plenty of water to run all three units but is very small, about 10cm long by about 7cm wide and very light.  I suspect it will not last very long but we shall see.
It is also a DC motor so there is a 240v-24v power supply that comes with it.
It replaces the Calpeda monster that needed a screw driver on the shaft to get it going and it leaked. It’s bronze impeller has warn down, I think not from corrosion but from abrasion. On board was the kit to replace the shaft seal.
I plan to buy a new impeller and then swap back when the Dormaire dies.
For now it looks like the Dormaire is great; lighter, quieter,more efficient. No seals.

Nick
S/A Amelia
AML 54-019
Patmos






Re: Dessalator water maker pre filter housing

 

Take a flat blade screwdriver and gently tap the screwdriver against the tightening ring. Use some MolyKote Dow 111 on the O ring.

When you change the filter, use the rinse valve to force water in and air out before tightening the ring. Tighten by hand assuming you used MolyKote.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 2:10 PM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
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Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
+1-323-633-2222 Cell
+1-424-644-0908 Fax

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Schmit via groups.io <kevschmit64=gmail.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 8:01:23 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator water maker pre filter housing
 
Anyone have a picture of the “tool”?

thanks
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: Genoa Furler motor

 

Bernd, contact the original builder of the SM gearbox. I assume he made the 12-volt version in the SN. The last time I discussed this with him he had about 20 new motors for the 24v SM furler...hopefully he has some 12v for the Santorin. Include a photo of what you have. Write in French only, and tell him that Bill Rouse gave you his contact information:
Pierangelo Vignando
Vikassa Engineering
vikasa.vignando@...
+41 79 447 21 42
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 9:20 AM Bernd Spanner <bernd.spanner@...> wrote:
Hello,

On my SN form 1995 the genoa furler motor stopped working. First it operated only at about half speed to fail completely in the end.
Relays apear ok from hearing, cabels are also fine and brushes as well. Cleaned the motor where possible.
According SAV Amel does not support the furler, spares or the motor itself anymore. Looks like this also goes for the SM.
Any Info regarding this or info where to get a spare motor, specs etc is highly welcome.
If nothing helps, please advise if someone has experience with this system from Germany. 


--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Re: Dessalator water maker pre filter housing

Mohammad Shirloo
 

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Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
+1-323-633-2222 Cell
+1-424-644-0908 Fax


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Schmit via groups.io <kevschmit64@...>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 8:01:23 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator water maker pre filter housing
 
Anyone have a picture of the “tool”?

thanks
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: SM Hard top

 

I believe that whether or not solar can be integrated into a hardtop depends on the model and manufacturer of the panels. The Amel 50 uses SolbianFlex Panels which are made in Italy.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 12:17 PM Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila <ann-sofie@...> wrote:
We have had a roof over the cockpit since 2010, one of the best things we have done on the boat.

This is from the inside


regards
Ann-Sofie & Jonas Svanberg
S/y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

21/06/2021 kl. 18:42 skrev david bruce <davidcbruce57@...>:

PS  Would you have any pics of the support structure?  I’d like to get a sense of how it might work with the traveler as well as ingress and egress to the cockpit.  Thanks!  Dave
On Jun 21, 2021, at 9:11 AM, ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:


Re: Dessalator water maker pre filter housing

Kevin Schmit
 

Anyone have a picture of the “tool”?

thanks
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Heat shield for turbo

ngtnewington Newington
 

This is the old



And the new

Nick
Amelia AML54-019
Patmos


Re: Genoa Furler motor

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Amel has now chosen Facnor as their furler manufacturers for the new Amel 50...maybe the 60 as well

They have a good selection of sizes. 

Cheers

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


On 22/06/2021, at 3:00 AM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Most all my clients and all of my own experiences with Reckman furling on Amel boats has been entirely satisfactory. It isn't cheap but you can trust in getting what you pay for. 

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Jun 21, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Bernd Spanner <bernd.spanner@...> wrote:

Hello,

On my SN form 1995 the genoa furler motor stopped working. First it operated only at about half speed to fail completely in the end.
Relays apear ok from hearing, cabels are also fine and brushes as well. Cleaned the motor where possible.
According SAV Amel does not support the furler, spares or the motor itself anymore. Looks like this also goes for the SM.
Any Info regarding this or info where to get a spare motor, specs etc is highly welcome.
If nothing helps, please advise if someone has experience with this system from Germany. 


--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Re: SM Hard top

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila
 

We have had a roof over the cockpit since 2010, one of the best things we have done on the boat.

This is from the inside


regards
Ann-Sofie & Jonas Svanberg
S/y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

21/06/2021 kl. 18:42 skrev david bruce <davidcbruce57@...>:

PS  Would you have any pics of the support structure?  I’d like to get a sense of how it might work with the traveler as well as ingress and egress to the cockpit.  Thanks!  Dave
On Jun 21, 2021, at 9:11 AM, ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:


Re: SM Hard top

david bruce
 

PS  Would you have any pics of the support structure?  I’d like to get a sense of how it might work with the traveler as well as ingress and egress to the cockpit.  Thanks!  Dave

On Jun 21, 2021, at 9:11 AM, ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

_._,_._,_



SM Hard top

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

I shall be very interested to read Bill's review of the Amel 50, but you can have solar on a hard top on an SM.

 We had this carbon fibre top made for us in Greece this winter and are delighted with the result. It has made the whole cockpit feel even more spacious and achieved more headroom than we had with the canvas bimini which we had already modified to achieve better headroom.  With the hard top we now have 186 cm ( 6ft 1.2 inches ) pretty well throughout the cockpit. LED ceiling lights.   2x Solarworld Semi-Flexible PCB -ETFE panels, 180w each. In retrospect we could have fitted larger panels but the input even from these has transformed our use of the genset.

The vinyl window unzips across the top. You can open a small section if it's raining and you want to see better or you can open the whole window which rolls down. 

The hard top is strong--you can dance on it if you are so inclined. We are just happy to be underneath it.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Siros, Greece



Re: Dessalator water maker pre filter housing

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Kevin;

There is a tool, similar to an oil filter wrench, that locks into the large plastic ring at the top of the filter housing to unscrew. Then filter housing lowers and can be removed, once this plastic ring/nut is completely unscrewed. 

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
+1-323-633-2222 Cell
+1-424-644-0908 Fax


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Schmit via groups.io <kevschmit64@...>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 3:35:01 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator water maker pre filter housing
 
Good morning,

Simple, silly question on opening the pre filter housing (2) on my Dessalator water maker.  How do I open these housing to maintain the filters?  I assume the green body unscrews into the white top piece? As it is plastic,  I did not want to break if attempting to open improperly.  I’m not sure if there is a special wrench or not..?

Thanks,
Kevin
KIANA
SM#362
Block Island, RI


--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362






Re: Genoa Furler motor

amelforme
 

Most all my clients and all of my own experiences with Reckman furling on Amel boats has been entirely satisfactory. It isn't cheap but you can trust in getting what you pay for. 

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Jun 21, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Bernd Spanner <bernd.spanner@...> wrote:

Hello,

On my SN form 1995 the genoa furler motor stopped working. First it operated only at about half speed to fail completely in the end.
Relays apear ok from hearing, cabels are also fine and brushes as well. Cleaned the motor where possible.
According SAV Amel does not support the furler, spares or the motor itself anymore. Looks like this also goes for the SM.
Any Info regarding this or info where to get a spare motor, specs etc is highly welcome.
If nothing helps, please advise if someone has experience with this system from Germany. 


--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Genoa Furler motor

Bernd Spanner
 

Hello,

On my SN form 1995 the genoa furler motor stopped working. First it operated only at about half speed to fail completely in the end.
Relays apear ok from hearing, cabels are also fine and brushes as well. Cleaned the motor where possible.
According SAV Amel does not support the furler, spares or the motor itself anymore. Looks like this also goes for the SM.
Any Info regarding this or info where to get a spare motor, specs etc is highly welcome.
If nothing helps, please advise if someone has experience with this system from Germany. 


--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal

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