Date   
Re: Headroom

Davi Rozgonyi
 
Edited

Oooo, Doug reminded me of something (you might like this too, doug).... Our SM aft cabin was modified brilliantly into a wall-to-wall bed. It has some custom foam inserts around the four sides about 12 inches deep (perfect for throwing your book or reading light or bottle of water), and the bed itself uses two stock standard mattresses of any sort you like, bringing it to king size. With the same-height foam inserts, a 6'6 person could easily sleep stretched out. In our case, there are three of us back there, with loads of room to spare. I'll see if I can put up a pic...

https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/244313/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

Re: Headroom

Doug Smith
 

Oliver,

I am 6’6”, so I guess that equals about 1,95m.  And I was equally concerned about this.  The areas you mention are not a concern.  The boom is not really a factor in the cockpit on the 54.  The salon, galley and aft cabin are plentiful in the headroom.  The areas I was most concerned with as well were the aft bed, and shower space.  On my 54, I can stand in the shower and take a shower without crouching, and I can almost lay fully stretched out on the aft berth.  Similar sizing to most hotel beds, that are considered a queen or full size.

Additionally, the area I was most impressed by was the two starboard side chairs in the main settee area of the cabin.  I haven’t found a more comfortable spot to relax on the inside of the boat.  The chairs fit a longer frame and there are support areas to place your legs both underway and bouncing around on passage, as well as when at anchorage. 

The engine room has abundant room even for guys our height, but the area where the watermaker and inverters are, might need a smaller frame to get back and work on those areas.

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Currently Gibraltar, Queensway Quay Marina

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Oliver Biederbeck <oliver.biederbeck@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 10:29 AM
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Headroom

 

Hi Amel owners,

I'm in the early phase of buying a boat on which my wife and I will spend up to 5 years, maybe more. Due to my body height of 2,02 metres (6"8), I have some special requirements towards boat size. Minimum headroom is 2m The Maramu, Super Maramu and the Amel 54 are on our radar because of their overall bluewater qualities but we never had the chance getting onboard of one of the older models. To be shortlisted, a boat must have at least 2 metres of headroom in the galley and in the salon.

So I would like to ask you as proud owners: What is the actual headroom

  • in the galley,
  • the salon,
  • the aft cabin and
  • in the cockpit under the boom?

Would be great to get some figures for my further evaluation. And please, save your time and avoid sentences like "I'm 1,90m and don't have a problem". Believe, me, being >2m is a complete different story - even at home ;-)

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers
Oliver

Re: Broken water level dipstick

karkauai
 

Could you insert and glue a dowel into the broken ends?

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Apr 4, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...> wrote:

Hi

I bent the water level dipstick with 900 liters in the tank, so near the bottom of the dipstick.  (I was running the watermaker, stumbled going down the companionway and grabbed anything.)  It is 90% broken through.

I tried self amalgamating tape for a temporary solution, but it is too thick to drop down into the tank.

I believe I need to install a new pipe.  I guess I will have to take out the dishwasher and empty the tank, but i have never seen the float and don’t know how easy it will be to install a new pipe in it.  Any ideas?  Also, what material is the  pipe made from?  It did not seem to be a normal pipe from a hardware shop; it is lightweight and brittle.

Thanks

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently locked down in Antigua.

Re: Windlass/Genoa Furler electrical problem, circuit breaker bad?

Davi Rozgonyi
 

I figured I was an idiot, and it turns out I was correct :) 

Re: Headroom

Davi Rozgonyi
 

Hey Oliver! Good call on looking at Amels, for hundreds of reasons. Headroom is defo one of them... I just measured for ya, our SM has 208 cm in the galley and saloon, and 200 cm in the head and entrance to the forecabin. The corridor to the aft cabin of course is gonna make ya stoop, I do, and I'm "only" 6'1. But you won't have an issue in the main part of the boat. 
Cheers!
Davi
SM56
Wake

Headroom

Oliver Biederbeck
 

Hi Amel owners,

I'm in the early phase of buying a boat on which my wife and I will spend up to 5 years, maybe more. Due to my body height of 2,02 metres (6"8), I have some special requirements towards boat size. Minimum headroom is 2m The Maramu, Super Maramu and the Amel 54 are on our radar because of their overall bluewater qualities but we never had the chance getting onboard of one of the older models. To be shortlisted, a boat must have at least 2 metres of headroom in the galley and in the salon.

So I would like to ask you as proud owners: What is the actual headroom
  • in the galley,
  • the salon,
  • the aft cabin and
  • in the cockpit under the boom?
Would be great to get some figures for my further evaluation. And please, save your time and avoid sentences like "I'm 1,90m and don't have a problem". Believe, me, being >2m is a complete different story - even at home ;-)

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers
Oliver

Re: Windlass/Genoa Furler electrical problem, circuit breaker bad?

 

Yes, that breaker is for the 24 volt windlass and genoa furler. Maybe your meter is set wrong or you didn't use the 24 volt negative. Check again. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 12:05 AM Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:
Hey all, so thanks to Bill's advice to remove the whole panel via the knob (which I really should have noticed but there were clothes packed into the second-most forward cubby), I yanked it and replaced the breaker. Great success! :D Everything works. 

One surprise to me: I measured the breaker having 12 volts running through it. Is this normal? I would have thought it would be 24, like the rest of the system.... The windlass/furler work fine, just wondering.... shouldn't that hefty 100a breaker be on the 24volt circuit? Or is that only covering the solenoids or something? Or did I miss something simple? 

Sorry for the dumb@ss question.... my field of expertise (VWs) only had one voltage :D 

Re: Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Ryan and Kelly,

I refurbished my original turning blocks by replacing both the needle bearings and the race bearings.  Works like new.  These were sourced in NZ and total. Cost was less than NZ$300… 

Best of luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007, Opua, NZ.
Jean-Pierre Germain



On 5 Apr 2020, at 04:53, Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:

Hi all,

As we prepare for the sailing season this spring, we've noticed our genoa sheet blocks are in pretty bad shape.  Some of the ball bearings are cracked or crushed.  At the very least, I think the bearings need to be replaced.  I wouldn't be opposed to replacing the whole blocks.

Does anyone know where I can get replacements?  I've looked around on the Antal website and they don't seem to make this exact model anymore (they still make it in larger sizes though).  This block is the closest I've been able to find, but it looks like the shackle can only be at 90 degree angles (the existing blocks have the shackle set at about 45 degrees and it doesn't seem possible to rotate).  Would it work?  That shackle angle seems pretty important to me.  I also discovered this replacement sheave which looks like it might fit our existing blocks, but I'd probably have to contact Antal to confirm.

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


Re: Windlass/Genoa Furler electrical problem, circuit breaker bad?

Davi Rozgonyi
 

Hey all, so thanks to Bill's advice to remove the whole panel via the knob (which I really should have noticed but there were clothes packed into the second-most forward cubby), I yanked it and replaced the breaker. Great success! :D Everything works. 

One surprise to me: I measured the breaker having 12 volts running through it. Is this normal? I would have thought it would be 24, like the rest of the system.... The windlass/furler work fine, just wondering.... shouldn't that hefty 100a breaker be on the 24volt circuit? Or is that only covering the solenoids or something? Or did I miss something simple? 

Sorry for the dumb@ss question.... my field of expertise (VWs) only had one voltage :D 

Re: Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Ryan,

I recently replaced my genoa blocks with new Antal blocks supplied by Euro Marine. The blocks that came with our boats are now out of production. I'm attaching a picture of the blocks I purchased for $350 each. They attach with webbing or dynema, and I actually like them more than the originals. If you are interested in these, contact Siebe Noordzy at Euro Marine . He is knowledgeable, and will help you to find something that will work.

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

siebe@...


Re: Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

John Clark
 

If you have an older SM I recommend you take a hard look at the Genoa sheet cars.  I had one fail in light wind.  Bill Kinney had similar failure mode.  20/30 year old gear.  I got my new ones from Euro Marine.  Easy to work with and prompt delivery.  

John Clark
SV Annie SM37
Just arrived in USVI from US east coast.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 4:54 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Rig Rite might also have the blocks, They are up in Rhode island.  https://rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Sheaves.php.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 3:35 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

 

Hi Mike,

 

Thank you very much for the info. We might want to replace our cars soon, but what we're looking for right now are the blocks (pulleys) that are at the aft ends of the tracks.

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 2:19 PM Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

We replaced our cars in 2016, exactly as original as custom made for Amel by Antal Italy.

US distributor Euro Marine Trading in Newport, RI. Very good to work with.

Hope they are still available. Good luck.

Mike Ondra,

Aletes SM#240

Currently stuck/vacationing in San Juan, PR eager to head home to the Chesapeake. That is Aletes, not her owners.

 

Mike,

You received the quote from Antal Italy in Euros, you pay the same amount converted into US$. Which currently is  x1.12.

They will be shipped from our warehouse in. Newport/RI

They are currently not in stock in Newport but can be included in the next shipment from Italy to Newport.

Since this is a non-working product, the order is final and shall have to be prepaid by credit card.

You may confirm your order by calling the EMT office at 401-849-0060.  Ask for Annelies.

Regards

Siebe

Euro Marine Trading

From: Roberto Carraro [mailto:rc@...]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:54 AM
To: mdondra@...
Cc: Siebe Noordzy <siebe@...>
Subject: Fwd: RE: genoa car for SAmel

we can offe a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

Mike,
here attached required picture , this is a special car we did for Amel , we still have some in stock...
Euromarine trading , antal distributor for USA, will send you an offer  including transport to :

 

we can offer a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

 
Error! Filename not specified.

antal srl unipersonale
via del progresso 10 - 35127 padova italy  - 
www.antal.it
tel.
++39 049 8701265 / 8702655 fax ++39 049 760906

Error! Filename not specified.

 

Broken water level dipstick

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

I bent the water level dipstick with 900 liters in the tank, so near the bottom of the dipstick.  (I was running the watermaker, stumbled going down the companionway and grabbed anything.)  It is 90% broken through.

I tried self amalgamating tape for a temporary solution, but it is too thick to drop down into the tank.

I believe I need to install a new pipe.  I guess I will have to take out the dishwasher and empty the tank, but i have never seen the float and don’t know how easy it will be to install a new pipe in it.  Any ideas?  Also, what material is the  pipe made from?  It did not seem to be a normal pipe from a hardware shop; it is lightweight and brittle.

Thanks

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently locked down in Antigua.

Re: Bow Thruster Siezed

 

Hi,

I made this piece 2 years ago for a client, it s easy to made. If you need it look for someone with a milling machine and lathe and it can be easly done.



you can see the problems he had here https://youtu.be/PQnbk4maV4Y?t=440

Alem
Pablo Carmona
SM 253
Spain

Re: Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

eric freedman
 

Rig Rite might also have the blocks, They are up in Rhode island.  https://rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Sheaves.php.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 3:35 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

 

Hi Mike,

 

Thank you very much for the info. We might want to replace our cars soon, but what we're looking for right now are the blocks (pulleys) that are at the aft ends of the tracks.

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 2:19 PM Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

We replaced our cars in 2016, exactly as original as custom made for Amel by Antal Italy.

US distributor Euro Marine Trading in Newport, RI. Very good to work with.

Hope they are still available. Good luck.

Mike Ondra,

Aletes SM#240

Currently stuck/vacationing in San Juan, PR eager to head home to the Chesapeake. That is Aletes, not her owners.

 

Mike,

You received the quote from Antal Italy in Euros, you pay the same amount converted into US$. Which currently is  x1.12.

They will be shipped from our warehouse in. Newport/RI

They are currently not in stock in Newport but can be included in the next shipment from Italy to Newport.

Since this is a non-working product, the order is final and shall have to be prepaid by credit card.

You may confirm your order by calling the EMT office at 401-849-0060.  Ask for Annelies.

Regards

Siebe

Euro Marine Trading

From: Roberto Carraro [mailto:rc@...]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:54 AM
To: mdondra@...
Cc: Siebe Noordzy <siebe@...>
Subject: Fwd: RE: genoa car for SAmel

we can offe a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

Mike,
here attached required picture , this is a special car we did for Amel , we still have some in stock...
Euromarine trading , antal distributor for USA, will send you an offer  including transport to :

 

we can offer a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

 
Error! Filename not specified.

antal srl unipersonale
via del progresso 10 - 35127 padova italy  - 
www.antal.it
tel.
++39 049 8701265 / 8702655 fax ++39 049 760906

Error! Filename not specified.

 

Re: Bow Thruster Siezed

eric freedman
 

HI,

When you eventually get the thruster apart,. I would suggest you take the motor to a rebuild shop. . There is an open roller bearing at the bottom of the motor where the tube enters the motor. I would bet you that that bearing is also terribly rusted and needs replacing. I would have the motor gone over while you have it out.

 

About every 8 months I drop the bow thruster enough to grease the spline on the bow thruster and put a bunch of grease up into the receptacle for the spline.

18 years and it drops out like a cannon ball.

 

In addition you can replace the lip seal and donuts that are inside the boat if it looks like it need it.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow Thruster Siezed

 

Hi Ellen,
In addition to what you're doing and Bill Rouse's suggestions (sans Amel tool) I was finally successful by using a chain wrench around the motor flange along with a 2' extension pipe for added leverage. I would torque it in one direction and apply as much force as I thought it would take. Then I'd reverse it and twist the opposite direction. After several repetitions it finally budged just a fraction. After more back and forth repetitions and it came free. I used that technique on mine and also another Santorin - worked very well.
Good luck with it!  Craig

Re: Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Mike,

Thank you very much for the info. We might want to replace our cars soon, but what we're looking for right now are the blocks (pulleys) that are at the aft ends of the tracks.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA




On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 2:19 PM Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

We replaced our cars in 2016, exactly as original as custom made for Amel by Antal Italy.

US distributor Euro Marine Trading in Newport, RI. Very good to work with.

Hope they are still available. Good luck.

Mike Ondra,

Aletes SM#240

Currently stuck/vacationing in San Juan, PR eager to head home to the Chesapeake. That is Aletes, not her owners.

 

Mike,

You received the quote from Antal Italy in Euros, you pay the same amount converted into US$. Which currently is  x1.12.

They will be shipped from our warehouse in. Newport/RI

They are currently not in stock in Newport but can be included in the next shipment from Italy to Newport.

Since this is a non-working product, the order is final and shall have to be prepaid by credit card.

You may confirm your order by calling the EMT office at 401-849-0060.  Ask for Annelies.

Regards

Siebe

Euro Marine Trading

From: Roberto Carraro [mailto:rc@...]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:54 AM
To: mdondra@...
Cc: Siebe Noordzy <siebe@...>
Subject: Fwd: RE: genoa car for SAmel

we can offe a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

Mike,
here attached required picture , this is a special car we did for Amel , we still have some in stock...
Euromarine trading , antal distributor for USA, will send you an offer  including transport to :

 

we can offer a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

 

antal srl unipersonale
via del progresso 10 - 35127 padova italy  - 
www.antal.it
tel.
++39 049 8701265 / 8702655 fax ++39 049 760906

 

Re: Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Ryan,

We replaced our cars in 2016, exactly as original as custom made for Amel by Antal Italy.

US distributor Euro Marine Trading in Newport, RI. Very good to work with.

Hope they are still available. Good luck.

Mike Ondra,

Aletes SM#240

Currently stuck/vacationing in San Juan, PR eager to head home to the Chesapeake. That is Aletes, not her owners.

 

Mike,

You received the quote from Antal Italy in Euros, you pay the same amount converted into US$. Which currently is  x1.12.

They will be shipped from our warehouse in. Newport/RI

They are currently not in stock in Newport but can be included in the next shipment from Italy to Newport.

Since this is a non-working product, the order is final and shall have to be prepaid by credit card.

You may confirm your order by calling the EMT office at 401-849-0060.  Ask for Annelies.

Regards

Siebe

Euro Marine Trading

From: Roberto Carraro [mailto:rc@...]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:54 AM
To: mdondra@...
Cc: Siebe Noordzy <siebe@...>
Subject: Fwd: RE: genoa car for SAmel

we can offe a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

Mike,
here attached required picture , this is a special car we did for Amel , we still have some in stock...
Euromarine trading , antal distributor for USA, will send you an offer  including transport to :

 

we can offer a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

 

antal srl unipersonale
via del progresso 10 - 35127 padova italy  - 
www.antal.it
tel.
++39 049 8701265 / 8702655 fax ++39 049 760906

 

Re: Bow Thruster Siezed

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Ellen,
In addition to what you're doing and Bill Rouse's suggestions (sans Amel tool) I was finally successful by using a chain wrench around the motor flange along with a 2' extension pipe for added leverage. I would torque it in one direction and apply as much force as I thought it would take. Then I'd reverse it and twist the opposite direction. After several repetitions it finally budged just a fraction. After more back and forth repetitions and it came free. I used that technique on mine and also another Santorin - worked very well.
Good luck with it!  Craig

Re: Bow Thruster Siezed

Trevor Lusty
 

Hi Ellen,
             There might be another way, but you will need a lot of time energy and patience. The bow thruster on my SM jammed solid a few years ago in Mexico and it would not move. After several days trying to get it out, It became obvious that any more dropping or hammering was going to damage the boat.
So, I removed it complete with the motor stuck to the shaft from the inside of the boat. It took a full three days, dawn to dusk to remove and replace.
The complete unit weighs around 80lbs . You need to be really careful to mark all the electrical cables as on the SM there were lots of black ones!
If you consider going this way, be sure that all power is isolated.
The position of the limit switches is really important to ensure that the bow thruster will retract properly when serviced and replaced.
It is a nightmare of a job but it can be done.
When we finally got it out it couldn't be pulled or pressed apart, so it had to heated to white hot before it broke apart.
Bill  has Kindly renewed my membership in the hope that this message may be of some help to you.
Good luck.

Trevor Lusty
Former owner Seafever of Cuan
SM 425
Ireland

Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,

As we prepare for the sailing season this spring, we've noticed our genoa sheet blocks are in pretty bad shape.  Some of the ball bearings are cracked or crushed.  At the very least, I think the bearings need to be replaced.  I wouldn't be opposed to replacing the whole blocks.

Does anyone know where I can get replacements?  I've looked around on the Antal website and they don't seem to make this exact model anymore (they still make it in larger sizes though).  This block is the closest I've been able to find, but it looks like the shackle can only be at 90 degree angles (the existing blocks have the shackle set at about 45 degrees and it doesn't seem possible to rotate).  Would it work?  That shackle angle seems pretty important to me.  I also discovered this replacement sheave which looks like it might fit our existing blocks, but I'd probably have to contact Antal to confirm.

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA