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Re: Replace Yanmar Exhaust Hose

Mark Erdos
 

Agree with Tom! Be aware of the bend radius. Once the hose kinks it is trash.

 

Rule of thumb; the bend radius of a corrugated wire reinforced hose is 4 times the inside diameter of the hose.

 

IMO – Silicone hoses are better (and more expensive)

 

Coat the elbow and exhaust fittings with dawn detergent for an easier fit.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Replace Yanmar Exhaust Hose

 

Just did the main engine exhaust from the mixing elbow to the muffler. Discovered how important bend radius is in the hose. Mine was 4 1/2 inches and I needed every bit of that plus some wrestling.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422


Re: Replace Yanmar Exhaust Hose

Thomas Kleman
 

Just did the main engine exhaust from the mixing elbow to the muffler. Discovered how important bend radius is in the hose. Mine was 4 1/2 inches and I needed every bit of that plus some wrestling.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422


Re: Bottom paint removal

Jarek Zemlo
 

Just did the ice blasting to the gel-coat of my AMEL SM in Belgium and put 3 layers of epoxy + 2 layers of antifouling. Ice blasting was very nice and gentle to the gel-coat. Paid EUR 3.000 gross for the ice-blasting including disposal and cleaning.
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Porter McRoberts
 

Bill in your schematic,
The relays are 12VDC control and 24VDC load circuit, easy to put a 2-3 amp fuse on the load circuit.
I've searched for this relay and find it quite difficult to find the definitive solution.  Commonly the reverse is found.
I’d like to build a control board for the pumps.
Might you have a source, or nomenclature that would reveal this hidden gem on the web for me?

A second question:  running a 24v pump at 12v, surely spares the pump, but will it affect the pump volume, as the 1.5+ GPH is quite important, yes?

Always appreciated,

Porter
S/V IBIS A54-152

On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:30 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Jamie,

I wish I was on your 54 with you because I have a burning question about all of this. and I have a recommendation for you.

My burning question:
If you see the schematic in my previous post in this thread, you will notice the schematic from a Frigoboat manual. The source of the voltage output from the E51385 blue box to the water pump originates in this schematic with each of the Danfoss Compressor Controllers at the F terminal. In fact, the two wires for each fridge unit come directly from the Danfoss to the E51385. The Frigoboat manual clearly states, regardless of the voltage of the fridge the output on the two F terminals is 12 volts. BTW, the Danfoss operates on 12 or 24 volts, but always outputs 12 volts to Terminal F. Have you checked the output voltage on each of the Danfoss on terminal F and the terminal next to it? I do not see any other way that the E51385 blue box can output 24 volts and if there is 24 volts on the Danfoss fan terminals, I suspect something is wrong with the Danfoss.

My recommendation:
Why don't you do this eliminating the E51385 and eliminate the limitation on amps on the Danfoss terminal F, and run a 24-volt pump??:
<Relays to control water pump.jpg>
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:02 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:
OK, my "final" update on the Flojet pump and Frigoboat E51385  interface. I cannot explain it, but the interface is definitely out-putting 24 volts to the pump at all times.
Maybe my interface is malfunctioning, so I installed a solid-state relay and a DC converter to step the voltage down to 12 volts. I used a 24-volt relay in place of the E
51385 pump connection and then feed the converter and pump via the live 24-volt terminal box in the engine room. The relay simply engages the pump when the compressors call for it.

A bit more complicated than I would like but the pump runs perfectly now and obviously I no longer get the pump overload signals at the interface. The higher capacity pump may draw more power, but it really cools down the 3 refrigerator units fast.

My next task is to get the brushless motor working to replace the Flojet motor. I will drive it directly via the 24-volt terminal block and eliminate the DC converter.

Until then I am "over and out" regarding this perplexing issue with the E
51385. I really appreciate all the suggestions and assistance, but will report once I have the brushless motor controller operational. That will be the gold standard.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44




Re: Hardtop for Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Thank's I will check with them. That is what I am looking for, someone with experience who has done this. I am hoping to be able to  make one with 6ft clearance under.

Very Best

Barry

On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 4:53:10 PM EDT, Courtney Gorman via groups.io <itsfun1@...> wrote:


Check with Amel Caraibes I believe there was a hardtop manufactured there a couple of years ago they should know which boat did it and who did the fiberglass work maybe the mold is still available


On Jul 9, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hello Amel 54 owners,

I have seen and been onboard some Amel 54's with custom Hardtops. Most are a little low in height.
We are in Martinique since March and will probably be here for some time as the Caribbean is not looking to be opening up for sailing soon.
A good time to undertake some projects. 
Do any Amel 54 owners have any recommendations for getting a custom made hardtop manufactured in the Caribbean? I would like to explore this possibility, I currently have had made a 5 bow Bimini with 6ft clearance under. I am looking for someone in the Caribbean who has made a Hardtop for a 54 or If I could find someone who does good fibre glass. I think I might be able to get a hardtop with 6ft clearance under as I have already made the changes to the boom line which had previously limited the height of hardtops and a bimini.
Would appreciate any advise from members who have any info for this project.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sante Anne anchorage Martinique 


Re: Hardtop for Amel 54

Courtney Gorman
 

Check with Amel Caraibes I believe there was a hardtop manufactured there a couple of years ago they should know which boat did it and who did the fiberglass work maybe the mold is still available


On Jul 9, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hello Amel 54 owners,

I have seen and been onboard some Amel 54's with custom Hardtops. Most are a little low in height.
We are in Martinique since March and will probably be here for some time as the Caribbean is not looking to be opening up for sailing soon.
A good time to undertake some projects. 
Do any Amel 54 owners have any recommendations for getting a custom made hardtop manufactured in the Caribbean? I would like to explore this possibility, I currently have had made a 5 bow Bimini with 6ft clearance under. I am looking for someone in the Caribbean who has made a Hardtop for a 54 or If I could find someone who does good fibre glass. I think I might be able to get a hardtop with 6ft clearance under as I have already made the changes to the boom line which had previously limited the height of hardtops and a bimini.
Would appreciate any advise from members who have any info for this project.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sante Anne anchorage Martinique 


Hardtop for Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Hello Amel 54 owners,

I have seen and been onboard some Amel 54's with custom Hardtops. Most are a little low in height.
We are in Martinique since March and will probably be here for some time as the Caribbean is not looking to be opening up for sailing soon.
A good time to undertake some projects. 
Do any Amel 54 owners have any recommendations for getting a custom made hardtop manufactured in the Caribbean? I would like to explore this possibility, I currently have had made a 5 bow Bimini with 6ft clearance under. I am looking for someone in the Caribbean who has made a Hardtop for a 54 or If I could find someone who does good fibre glass. I think I might be able to get a hardtop with 6ft clearance under as I have already made the changes to the boom line which had previously limited the height of hardtops and a bimini.
Would appreciate any advise from members who have any info for this project.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sante Anne anchorage Martinique 


Re: Oil seal for SM bowthruster

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Paul,

 123bearing.com have them !  No one else seems to.

 Thanks again,

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada


From: Ian Jenkins <ianjudyjenkins@...>
Sent: 09 July 2020 17:09
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil seal for SM bowthruster
 
Thanks, Paul,

I'll try them.

 Ian

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...>
Sent: 09 July 2020 11:13
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil seal for SM bowthruster
 
I ordered a lot of seals and bearings from 123bearing.com, with quick delivery to Portugal 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Oil seal for SM bowthruster

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Thanks, Paul,

I'll try them.

 Ian


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...>
Sent: 09 July 2020 11:13
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil seal for SM bowthruster
 
I ordered a lot of seals and bearings from 123bearing.com, with quick delivery to Portugal 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Bottom paint removal

Aras
 

Shiny, clean and new looking.  Mark you can do my Bottom anytime....



Aras Grinius
SV FIASCO Sharki #163


Re: Amel 55 mizen vibration

Joerg Esdorn
 

Wow, Jose, I’ve never had this happen on Kincsem.  I guess the answer is not to go to a marina and anchor instead!  Seriously, maybe you deploy a bit of the mizzen sail to change the rhythm?  Je
 
Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Bottom paint removal

Mark McGovern
 

Pat,

HHN uses fairly large timbers for a boat our size - roughly 8"x8".  It gave me just enough room to lay on my side, and use and grind the old epoxy back.  It was gruelling work and OSHA would definitely not approve as I had to remove the safety guard off the angle grinder, as well the handle, and use it one-handed - pretty much by "feel" since I couldn't see the surface I was grinding while grinding.  It came out OK, but as I said above, in hindsight, I should have just let Osprey do the whole thing.  Here is a pic of the finished keel:

IMG_20190425_174217089_HDR.jpg

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 9:11 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mark, So it sounds as though they were able to do most of the bottom of the keel,correct ? That surprises me ,I would have thought the keel would be too close to the ground to work on,unless it is on tall blocks. Normally I am less than 6 inches off the ground. Sandblasting is hard work ,but it is amazing that a marina will ask you to pay $7,000. for one man/day of work . I did not accept their offer ,but $3000 .,while still a lot like you said ,does save you a lot of work ,not many options ,can't do it yourself,so they can charge what they want,little competition . I will try the paste removal stuff and if it does not work out ,I will give J.J. a call.
Thanks Again,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal

Pat,

They are making a killing even at that price as it takes them only one day and it is pretty much just one guy doing the work.  However, it was still worth the cost when you compare it to the time and materials that it will cost you to do it yourself, nevermind the wear and tear on your body! 

Discuss the bottom of the keel with JJ.  If I remember correctly, for them to do the whole bottom it would have required a re-block of the boat by the yard (~$300ish) while they have the boat in their section of the yard.  And then because I was doing more work on the hard, I was going to need yet another re-block to move me out of Ospreys section of the yard to my spot on the hard.  So I just had Osprey do the bottom of the keel that was exposed and then when the marina moved the boat out of Ospreys area to my spot on the hard I asked them to make sure the timbers under the keel were in different spots.  I then ground back and epoxy coated the two "stripes" under the keel myself.  In hindsight, I should have just paid Osprey to do the whole bottom of the keel.  Grinding the old epoxy off the bottom of that keel while laying down on gravel is NOT fun!


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bottom paint removal

Patrick McAneny
 

Craig , I will buy some and give it a try. I don't mind risking my life to get the bottom paint off my boat, and as you said ,if they banned it in California it must be good. Now I know why my oatmeal has been crunchy.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal

[Edited Message Follows]
Pat, I did some Google-ing and it looks like methylene choloride and/or N-methylpyrrolidone (NMP) is the stuff that really works but is toxic. If you're neither pregnant nor stupid, go for it, if you can find it. The article said Home Depot and Lowes announced a couple of years ago they'd stop carrying it, although they still had some stock. AutoZone still carried it. Obama's EPA was working to ban it, but those efforts may have been reversed, according to the article. 

Just found it on Home Depot website for $42 per gallon - called Klean Strip. Encouraging as label says the State of California has determined it will kill you, so it must be good. Plus lots of other warnings. Go for it!  Also got a hit on Goof Off Pro Paint Stripper that contains Metheylene choloride 60% - maybe there's hope yet!

Btw, all I ever had was ground glass in my oatmeal - cookies were always great.
Cheers


Replace Yanmar Exhaust Hose

Duane Siegfri
 
Edited

I'm about to replace the exhaust hose for the main engine from the waterlift muffler to the hull fitting.  Seems a simple task, but I'd appreciate any tips from those who have already been there.  I read one post where the owner used silicone to seal the joint between the hose and the hull fitting with the comment that Amel did this in the original build.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Oil seal for SM bowthruster

Paul Osterberg
 

I ordered a lot of seals and bearings from 123bearing.com, with quick delivery to Portugal 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Oil seal for SM bowthruster

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi y'all,

  Has anyone found a source in the UK for the oil seal 29x 42x 8    ?     I have been offered 29x41x8 and 28x42x6. I guess this last one would do but I would prefer to get the right one, just in case I'm ever able to get back to Greece and go sailing!

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada


Re: Amel 55 mizen vibration

Aldo Roldan
 

Jose,

You might also consider locking the the mizzen traveller off the center line and tie a preventer line going from the end of the mizzen boom to an aft stanchion or pad-eye.

Aldo
Amel 55 Araucaria 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 12:40 PM, rob dillmann <rob.dillmann@...> wrote:

Dear Jose,

I certainly do not want to keep you away of this charm, but you might try to wrap a hallyard a few times around the mizzen. This changes the airflow and might diminish the vibration.

Best regards,
Rob Dillmann
Westwind
Amel Mango 43


Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 8 jul. 2020 om 16:52 heeft Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> het volgende geschreven:


John

Thank you

I will try to find your " charm sailing life way".

Thank you and please keep safe


On 08/07/2020, at 14:26, John Clanton <jclanton@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

I have experienced this on several occasions.  I have not taken specific note of the wind speed or angle when it occurred, but in general, if there is a strong blow from somewhere aft of the beam, there is a noise generated, which creates some degree of vibration. 

 

I have assumed it is when the combination of wind angle and speed causes a whistling or harmonic effect with the furler opening of the mast.

 

It can be attention getting, but we try not to pay any attention to it anymore.  We have added it to the list of other “charms” of sailing life.  Sorry I couldn’t provide a solution to eliminate it.

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Antibes, France



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Re: Bottom paint removal

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, So it sounds as though they were able to do most of the bottom of the keel,correct ? That surprises me ,I would have thought the keel would be too close to the ground to work on,unless it is on tall blocks. Normally I am less than 6 inches off the ground. Sandblasting is hard work ,but it is amazing that a marina will ask you to pay $7,000. for one man/day of work . I did not accept their offer ,but $3000 .,while still a lot like you said ,does save you a lot of work ,not many options ,can't do it yourself,so they can charge what they want,little competition . I will try the paste removal stuff and if it does not work out ,I will give J.J. a call.
Thanks Again,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal

Pat,

They are making a killing even at that price as it takes them only one day and it is pretty much just one guy doing the work.  However, it was still worth the cost when you compare it to the time and materials that it will cost you to do it yourself, nevermind the wear and tear on your body! 

Discuss the bottom of the keel with JJ.  If I remember correctly, for them to do the whole bottom it would have required a re-block of the boat by the yard (~$300ish) while they have the boat in their section of the yard.  And then because I was doing more work on the hard, I was going to need yet another re-block to move me out of Ospreys section of the yard to my spot on the hard.  So I just had Osprey do the bottom of the keel that was exposed and then when the marina moved the boat out of Ospreys area to my spot on the hard I asked them to make sure the timbers under the keel were in different spots.  I then ground back and epoxy coated the two "stripes" under the keel myself.  In hindsight, I should have just paid Osprey to do the whole bottom of the keel.  Grinding the old epoxy off the bottom of that keel while laying down on gravel is NOT fun!


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bottom paint removal

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Pat, I did some Google-ing and it looks like methylene choloride and/or N-methylpyrrolidone (NMP) is the stuff that really works but is toxic. If you're neither pregnant nor stupid, go for it, if you can find it. The article said Home Depot and Lowes announced a couple of years ago they'd stop carrying it, although they still had some stock. AutoZone still carried it. Obama's EPA was working to ban it, but those efforts may have been reversed, according to the article. 

Just found it on Home Depot website for $42 per gallon - called Klean Strip. Encouraging as label says the State of California has determined it will kill you, so it must be good. Plus lots of other warnings. Go for it!  Also got a hit on Goof Off Pro Paint Stripper that contains Metheylene choloride 60% - maybe there's hope yet!

Btw, all I ever had was ground glass in my oatmeal - cookies were always great.
Cheers


Re: Bottom paint removal

Patrick McAneny
 

Craig, It sounds like so much fun ,you did 5 yrs. later,just for giggles. I think I might give it a try,but they probably have removed all the stuff that made it work so well. Treated lumber used to last forever ,since they removed the arsenic ,it starts rotting in a matter of years. That makes me think, I used to find bits of wood in the cookies my wife used to make.I wonder...
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal

Pat,
When I bought Sangaris in 1999, I stripped her myself with the nastiest paint stripper I could find. Don't recall the brand name and it's likely banned by EPA these days, but shop around. If the label is mostly safety warnings and health disclaimers go ahead and give it a try - you're likely done procreating anyway. Try non-boating stores as they've wussified all the boating products.  

I did 3-foot-ish sections, liberally brushing on one thick coat, waiting a few minutes (depends on temperature) and EASILY removing stripper and paint with a putty knife. Then a second coat which took it down to gel coat with just a few spots left. Finished with bronze wool dipped in the remover for perfect result.  Maybe 10-20 minutes per square. Do use lot's of PPE. I used silicone covered cotton gloves and kept a bucket of cold water next to me to dip them in when the burning got too intense. Also poured some on my topsiders when the feet began to burn.  Nasty stuff. Hope you can still find some. It was so easy I did it again in Mexico 5 years later - it was on the shelf in the hardware stores next to the US banned R-12 freon cans I needed for my reefer. 

Btw, gelcoat is impervious to the stuff. So is Awlgrip type paint, which I had on my last boat and used the stripper to clean the boot stripe. If you've got barrier coat applied, I don't know about that, but then, thanks to the "Father of Fiberglass, Amels don't need barrier coat. 

Have fun with your toxic chemicals!
Craig