Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
eric freedman
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
Hey Danny,
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Fantastic solutions for we "CARBS" (Cheap Ass Rag Baggers) ! Love it! Cheers, Craig SN68 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote : Hi, I was maintaining my boat in remote locations (definition of long distance cruising) and needed to do this job. I found a meter long (39 inch) piece of D12 reinforcing rod on the side of the road. I ground a square on one end to fit the socket and used a stilson pipe wrench on the other. Saved buying 3 12 inch extensions which weren't available there anyway. If copper bar is not available copper tube as used (or used to be) in plumbing, flattened at each end does the job. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi, I was maintaining my boat in remote locations (definition of long distance cruising) and needed to do this job. I found a meter long (39 inch) piece of D12 reinforcing rod on the side of the road. I ground a square on one end to fit the socket and used a stilson pipe wrench on the other. Saved buying 3 12 inch extensions which weren't available there anyway. If copper bar is not available copper tube as used (or used to be) in plumbing, flattened at each end does the job. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good afternoon Eamonn,
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Something I did 3 years ago but haven’t illustrated yet. First you need the copper bar. Bill R. (s/v BeBe) provided the dimensions. 47 1/2” long, 2” width and 1/8” thick. It is bent in 3 places. I followed his instructions: completely emptied then cleaned the bilge (not a fun job) as you will need to remove the float, etc. take the opportunity to clean it perfectly. It is hold at the bottom by a 30 mm socket and you will need three 12” extensions to reach it. Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 10/24/17, eamonn.washington@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 2:21 PM Today I noticed that the copper bar in the grey water tank is completely corroded away at the bottom. Assuming I get a replacement bar or strap (5mm thick, how long?), how is it mechanically connected to the keel bolt? Is there a special tool or some trick to do this? I can’t even see the keel bolt due to the murky water. I am in the process of cleaning it. RegardsEamonn WashingtonTravel Bug SM 151On the hard in Cleopatra Marina, Greece.
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Re: staysail mizzen setup
Jose Venegas
Hi Graham, In my SM 278, I mounted the wind generator on top of the mizzen mast and used rubber mounts to reduce any potential noise or vibration (which is not perceivable event when it blows >20). I do have the radar mounted on the mast but it does not seem to affect whether I hoist the sail starboard or port as long as I pass it on the proper side of the main back stay. Although my mizzen staysail is the original and a little bit overused, it can still give me one extra nut when the relative wind is behind the beam. My next purchase will be one that I can use with lower angles in low wind conditions. Unless you move your wind generator to the top of the mast, I don’t see how you can use the mizzen staysail. I will try to upload a pix or two.
Fair winds,
Jose, Ipanema SM278 Getting ready for hopefully its last winter in Boston.
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Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
eamonn.washington@...
Today I noticed that the copper bar in the grey water tank is completely corroded away at the bottom. Assuming I get a replacement bar or strap (5mm thick, how long?), how is it mechanically connected to the keel bolt? Is there a special tool or some trick to do this? I can’t even see the keel bolt due to the murky water. I am in the process of cleaning it.
Regards Eamonn Washington Travel Bug SM 151 On the hard in Cleopatra Marina, Greece.
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Re: Need diesel tank access
eamonn.washington@...
I will again suggest that he takes some safety precautions, such as the suggestions here (dry ice, N2, CO2).
There is no room at the top of the tank to make inspection hatches (only possible if the tank is out of the boat). So he will make 2 wide inspection hatches both of which overlap 2 compartments by 20cm each, thus giving access to all 4 compartments. These will be near the top of the tank facing but above the engine. He says he has cut diesel tanks many times, no explosion risk from diesel, but he will have a mate watch him the whole time with a fire extinguisher in case of a fire. I am letting the tank naturally ventilate via the top electric gauge, before he cuts next week. Eamonn, Travel Bug sm 151
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] staysail mizzen setup
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi, In my 8 years I have used the mizzen stay sail often and have never sheeted it to the mizzen boom. I have an eye on the gunwale forward of the aft mooring cleat that I clip a block to. I run it through another turning block to line up to the winch. My wind generator is a a German made Super Wind and is on top of the mizzen. Fantastic location for it. The super wind has self feathering blades that work in strong winds so there is no need to secure the blades in extreme conditions. Agree about the back stay, no problem, just flip around it. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean earl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas
Awesome, Thanks Jeff I appreciate the information!
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Cheers!
-----Original Message----- From: JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 6:24 am Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas Mark,
The boats that anchored out ended up on the beach save 2. That was not the case with Irma, which was weathered safely by all. I hope you're doing well these days Mark!
The trip to or from San Juan is about 21/2 hours. I made it in 2 hours last trip. You can fly into Aquadilla, and make the trip to the marina in 45 minutes or less.
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:00 PM, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas
Thanks Mark
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Do you anchor if you are leaving the boat and if so what do you do about security?
Cheers
Courtney
-----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Mon, Oct 23, 2017 9:55 pm Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas Hi Courtney,
We do not stay
in a marina unless we plan to be someplace for a month and can get a monthly
rate. The short answer to your question is it depends on the island and the
marina location. But rule of thumb is about US$1000 for a month, give or take a
little.
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 4:36 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas A
huge thanks to everyone for there help. Are all Marinas in the Islands
this expensive?
Cheers!
Courtney
s/v Trippin'
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From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Mon, Oct 23, 2017 3:26 pm Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas Courtney,
Try Palmas Del Mar Yacht Club.
It is a really top notch facility with reasonable monthly rates. We paid about
$1200 for the month earlier this year. Lots of stuff within walking distance
and Target Car Rental on site. Excellent security!!!! Costco, Wal-Mart and
Ralphs Grocery all nearby. Most of the staff speak English fluently.
Tell Glenda that Mark and Cindy
from Cream Puff said hello.
Glenda L. Félix
The Yacht Club Marina
Palmas del Mar
370 Harbour Drive
Humacao, PR 00791
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 12:21 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas Hi guys I was shocked today when I
received a Quote for $2106 a month for my 54 at Puerto Del Rey in
Fajardo. This is the reply I received when questioning the price.
Any suggestions for a more reasonable yet safe local. I will be leaving
my boat for just a month? Thanks
Courtney
s/v Trippin'
Hi Courtney,
The .95 is the monthly price for
a boat 0-40’, 41’ to 49’ is $1.10 and 50’ to 59’ is $1.30. Prices increase with
the boats LOA. In which Marina are you stationed right now? An annual agreement
might be close to $800-$900 in PDR which is a hurricane hole as well. I
currently have an offer called “Ancho Down for 10 Off” which can give you up to
18% discount when you pre-pay your seasonal agreement. Let me know if you would
like to proceed with a reservation.
I remain at your service,
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Re: Information about spare part
Hi Joachim, This definitely looks like Amel's version of the famous Chinese Magic Linking Rings.Cheers, Craig SN68 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <shivajogi@...> wrote :
Hallo to everybody l am having a amel sharki no 3 since 7 years with many pleasure i want to know of somebody of the Group could tell me for what the part of the picture is? I find 2 of them Thanks Regard Joachim
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Information about spare part
Joachim
Hallo to everybody
l am having a amel sharki no 3 since 7 years with many pleasure i want to know of somebody of the Group could tell me for what the part of the picture is? I find 2 of them
Thanks Regard Joachim
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need diesel tank access
Gregory Shea
Eamonn, In the first world the preferred method is to put dry ice in the tank to displace the oxygen before cutting or welding. In the third world they connect a hose to an exhaust pipe and use exhaust gas. I have successfully used the first method when there has been an inspection hatch to pass the ice through. The second seems fraught with water vapour, unburnt fuel etc. but it is a common practice. Without an inspection hatch, I guess any inert gas injected through the fuel outlet would work. Your pros undoubtedly have their own preference.
Greg Shea
Currently on the hard in CataniaSharki 133 Cap des Iles
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 5:14 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need diesel tank access Thanks Bob, Eric and Ann-Sophie. Based on your feedback I will go for hatch covers to be made, if possible. Where are the hatches on the SM 2000 ?
I will soon speak to the steel guy and request 3 top rectangular inspection hatches to be made in the 4 forward compartments, and one side hatch in the aft compartment (no room on top). I was wondering about how to get all the fumes out before cutting.
Ann-Sophies idea of compressed air is good. I thought of over filling it with water and draining.
The tank is empty now and the fuel will be cleaned outside the boat. I am busy removing the last little scraps of insulation from the tank.
Regards
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug SM 151 (1995)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need diesel tank access
James Alton
Eamonn,
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Flooding the tank with an inert gas to remove the O2 seems is the method that I used when drilling two iron tanks. I used C02 since it was readily handy, but nitrogen should work as well. I kept a slow flow of the gas going during the machining operations. Depending on what gas you use, insure that the worker has a fresh air supply. James Alton SV, Sueno, Maramu #220
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas
JEFFREY KRAUS
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Re: Need diesel tank access
eamonn.washington@...
Thanks Bob, Eric and Ann-Sophie.
Based on your feedback I will go for hatch covers to be made, if possible. Where are the hatches on the SM 2000 ? I will soon speak to the steel guy and request 3 top rectangular inspection hatches to be made in the 4 forward compartments, and one side hatch in the aft compartment (no room on top). I was wondering about how to get all the fumes out before cutting. Ann-Sophies idea of compressed air is good. I thought of over filling it with water and draining. The tank is empty now and the fuel will be cleaned outside the boat. I am busy removing the last little scraps of insulation from the tank. Regards Eamonn Washington Travel Bug SM 151 (1995)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Need diesel tank access
Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
Hi Eamonn
We made inspection hatches on Lady Annila some years ago. Please use google translate on my blogpost. If you scroll down a bit you will see the pictures and the text is just above the the picture.
Regards
ann-Sofie at S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998
Skickat från min iPad
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need diesel tank access
Bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
I agree with Erik...why weld the hole closed? The access port I have is gasketed and has never leaked a drop of diesel. I believe it comes in an 8" or 6" diameter. Bob
On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:07 AM, Bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need diesel tank access
eric freedman
Why weld the access holes closed? I am assuming these are on the top of the tank. If they are not then disregard what follows. My tank has 3 holes on the top which are removable. I would suggest making them removable with big round gaskets made out of Neoprene.
IF THE FUEL FLOW FROM YOUR TANK SUDDENLY STOPS---
The sealant in mine got loose from the inspection plates and wound up in the filter INSIDE the tank. I had previously come from Amel and spent the winter in the Carib. Then I sailed home to NY. The engine would run and then stop, then run again. Finally it would not start. We were 20 miles from my dock. My crew suggested Sea Tow—Damn if I would do that after a long voyage.
I removed the hose to the tank and nothing came out. I thought of blowing it out with my scuba tank—Better Idea—I took the air horn and put the rubber hose from the tank tight into the trumpet of the air horn. A few tries and I heard the diesel bubbling in the tank. This would also work with sludge in the tank.
I did not know there was a filter in the tank. It is like the mesh used in the shower sumps. I had to have someone pump out my tank from the top. When it was almost empty I saw blue stuff in the tank and with the remaining diesel we vacuumed the tank and recycled the small amount of fuel till the tank was clean. We then emptied the tank. To remove the valve on the bottom of the tank requires a very thin wrench. We used to call it a tappet wrench. Once I removed the valve I could see all the blue silicone clogging the filter. I cleaned the filter and all has been well for the last 14 years.
I called a sealant company called Permatex to inquire what sealant would be good for the inspection ports and fuel resistant. They recommended a silver grey sealant made by Permatex use to assemble Transmissions on racing motorcycles. Racing motorcycles frequently change the gears in the transmission depending on the race. . The grey sealant is very good at keeping the fuel inside the tank yet easy to remove the inspection plates. It is available at larger motorcycle stores. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 12:53 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need diesel tank access
Thanks for all the helpful replies.
I decided to do exactly what Bill suggested, mechanical removal via cutting access holes and welding back the holes again.
I removed the insulation, and by tapping the full tank it is obvious where the 3 baffles are separating the 4 compartments. A professional marine steel worker will cut the 4 access holes and weld them closed again at the end. All the fuel will be removed by another company and cleaned (if possible) and this other company will clean the tank too. (I would like to get my hands dirty, but I simply won’t be around along enough for the job to be finished.
I mentioned the danger, cutting with diesel fumes, but I will mention it again. He said he woud not do it if the engine was there, but I think that was mainly for the physical access to the tank. (The volvo is in a workshop.)
4 Vetus insulation panels (60 x 100 cm) will cover the tank.
I will Also take the opportunity to install a second feed from the bottom of the tank and a second return tube at the other end in order to install a fuel polishing system.
Thanks Eamonn Washington Travel Bug SM 151
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas
Jeff how long a drive is it to San Juan from there and thank you very much for the information Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 10/23/17 5:52 PM (GMT-05:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas Courtney, I'm staying at Marina Pescaderia in Puerto Real (Southwest corner of PR). I'm paying $400 a month. Great spot. Excellent security. Jose Mendez (owner) is great. Spirit will lie there into December. Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14 On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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