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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

James Alton
 

Gabriele Antolini,

   First congratulations on continuing to cruise on your Amel at 78, you are an inspiration.  One of the reasons that I selected an Amel is to hopefully extend my cruising years for as long as possible.  I hope that you have many more enjoyable years aboard Sunny Side.  Second,  I feel quite sure that you have cleared up the confusion that I had about Sueno's bow thruster and I feel a little embarrassed that I did not figure out my error until you pointed it out.   I apparently either got some bad original instruction on the function of the 100 Amp breaker on the Port side of the forward cabin or wasn't paying close enough attention because it has been my understanding that this breaker needed to be on to operate the bow thruster.   I have been dutifully turning the breaker on before each use of the bow thruster and of course it worked each time so all seemed fine.  After reading your post I realized that I have seen the connections of the two large power cables to the bow thruster relay on the Port side of the bow thruster just as you described on your boat.  So the 100 Amp breaker is not providing the power for my bow thruster, hence the electrical horsepower that I was calculating was not correct.  In retrospect this makes a lot more sense, why would Amel run such large cables forward in my boat and then distribute the power through a 100 Amp breaker?  I really should have caught that one...    I guess this is an example of what makes this forum so valuable.  I look forward to learning more about my Amel,  both through reading and from spending time on the boat.  I hope to meet you out there someday.  Thanks.

James Alton
SV,  Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] staysail mizzen setup

James Alton
 

Miles,

   We use the Mizzen staysail on our Maramu a lot.  We use the sail from about 60 degrees to about 120 degrees apparent and it often adds almost a  knot of boat speed.  I am pretty sure that the Staysail is larger than the mainsail in total area.  It does have to come down when you need to tack or jibe but we find the sail to be pretty easy to handle and only use it in winds up to about 15 knots with the wind forward of the beam and 20 aft which keeps things manageable.  We use the U bolt you mentioned ahead of the windshield for the tack.  The Optimum sheeting position for the clew varies with the apparent wind angle,  (sort of same as with the genoa). The end of the mizzen boom seems to work pretty well for broad reaching to open up the slot between the mizzen.  This is  my second season with our Maramu so hopefully you will get more detailed input from others.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Oct 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello there
I'm considering my sail wardrobe  for a N Atlantic circuit next year
I've seen and heard on this forum that people rate the mizzen staysail highly 
I;ve never owned a ketch before but i'm interested in experimenting with this
However, my boat does not have a mizzen staysail onboard

I would be really interested in how this sail is supposed to be set up on my (not super Maramu
I  have seen a u bolt on deck just fwd of the hard dodger. Is this for the tack or does the tack attach more to windward?

basically any pointers as to tack and sheets much appreciated alond withthoughts on when the sail is best used. Downwind to beam reach, light airs etc? 

Many thank in advance
Miles
Maramu sealove #162



Re: staysail mizzen setup

Ian Townsend
 

I was hoping that it might be the artimon staysail (or secret sail as Bill likes to call it). But it is an old regular mizzen sail.

Ian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: staysail mizzen setup

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

It means Mizzen



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On Fri, 10/20/17, smlocalola@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: staysail mizzen setup
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:19 AM


 









All my spare sails are in bags and labelled en
francais. Is this the sail called Artimon?
Ian TownsendLoca Lola
II SM153









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Re: staysail mizzen setup

Ian Townsend
 

All my spare sails are in bags and labelled en francais. Is this the sail called Artimon?

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II 
SM153


Whisker Pole

karkauai
 

Hi All.
While I was sailing upthe Gulf Stream this Spring, I got caught in a microburst and one of my whisker poles dipped in the water, twisting it enough to break the rivets that hold the outboard end in the pole. I couldn't remove it and took it to a machine shop that removed it, but replaced the piece too far inboard and I discovered on the way to Jacksonville that it wouldn't stay clipped to the articulating piece on the jockey pole. I drilled out the rivets but can't budge the fitting.
Has anyone had this problem, or removed the fitting? If so, how did you get it out?
Thanks in advance.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Jacksonville, FL UNTIL Dec 1


Re: staysail mizzen setup

Ian Park
 

Yes it is for the tack. There should be a spare halliard on the mizzen for the staysail. I run the sheets back through the same pulleys I use for the ballooner. They are attached near the pushpit and then run forward to the two small winches on the cockpit end of the aft deck.
That is the Santorin setup, don't know how it compares with the Maramu. Most useful on a beam reach or just aft. Easy to use with two.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] staysail mizzen setup

Courtney Gorman
 

Yes that is for the Tack  you should contact Bill in his manual there are instructions and photo's of exactly how to rig and fly that sail
Cheers
Courtney


-----Original Message-----
From: 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Oct 20, 2017 6:11 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] staysail mizzen setup

 
Hello there
I'm considering my sail wardrobe  for a N Atlantic circuit next year
I've seen and heard on this forum that people rate the mizzen staysail highly 
I;ve never owned a ketch before but i'm interested in experimenting with this
However, my boat does not have a mizzen staysail onboard

I would be really interested in how this sail is supposed to be set up on my (not super Maramu
I  have seen a u bolt on deck just fwd of the hard dodger. Is this for the tack or does the tack attach more to windward?

basically any pointers as to tack and sheets much appreciated alond withthoughts on when the sail is best used. Downwind to beam reach, light airs etc? 

Many thank in advance
Miles
Maramu sealove #162


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

karkauai
 

Hmmm, thanks Craig.  Seems to me separate chases for Pos and Neg cables would be a good idea.  I guess I'd better add the fuses as others are doing.
Kent



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

Craig Briggs
 


Hi Kent,
Then again, when SM Miss Lindy burned through her wires three times, then short was a foot inside the PVC chase running to the main engine. On my SN, yes, the bow thruster cables go through a PVC chase.
Hope you had a good trip - won't be far behind you.
Craig, SN68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Does anyone know if the positive and negative cables to the bow thruster are run in separate chases? That would make a dead short less likely.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
En route to Jacksonville FL


staysail mizzen setup

smiles bernard
 

Hello there
I'm considering my sail wardrobe  for a N Atlantic circuit next year
I've seen and heard on this forum that people rate the mizzen staysail highly 
I;ve never owned a ketch before but i'm interested in experimenting with this
However, my boat does not have a mizzen staysail onboard

I would be really interested in how this sail is supposed to be set up on my (not super Maramu
I  have seen a u bolt on deck just fwd of the hard dodger. Is this for the tack or does the tack attach more to windward?

basically any pointers as to tack and sheets much appreciated alond withthoughts on when the sail is best used. Downwind to beam reach, light airs etc? 

Many thank in advance
Miles
Maramu sealove #162


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Down wind sail configuration

smiles bernard
 

many thanks for your thoughts and help guys!
I'm going to investigate a 2nd hand
It feels like the cheapest option and will avoid me having to add another removable stay (she already has a small inner stay retrofitted by previous owner for a storm jib but its set well back so no use for downwind rig)
Failing that i'll look to add an additional removable forestay  - i always liked the option of a spare forestay!

All the very best and thanks again
Miles
Maramu 


On Friday, August 11, 2017, 11:08:20 AM GMT+1, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi Ian,

We've used the ballooner as a light air jib, but you do have to drop the genoa, making it not very user friendly. In our case we were doing a fun day race in light air on Long Island sound. The J-24's still scooted past us!
Cheers, Craig, Sangaris SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Agree with everything said above. Impressed with all the sail options.
Just wondered if anyone had used the ballooner on its own as a cruising chute or along with the mizzen staysail on a beam reach ? I’m thinking of when wind drops towards the end of the day with just a few miles to go - would be nice without the engine or rigging the whole down wind kit……

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] points to check before buying 2003 Amel SM 2000

Steven Nieman
 

Hi Teun,

Hope it all works out fine for you.

Wauw a 54 !!

Good luck and we will run into each other one day.

regards

steven

Op 20 Oct 2017, om 04:10 heeft 'Teun BAAS' teunbaas@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> het volgende geschreven:


Hi Steven,

 

I can NOT be much help to you as I am in the final stages of wrapping up buying an AMEL 54 without having the slightest experience with AMEL’s .

However from my research etc. just know it is a great & safe boat for cruising.

 

If everything goes according plan I will have in November a private 3 week charter in USVI on an AMEL 54 (LA ROCHELLE) – she survived the hurricanes but now is stuck in the channel due to silt from mountains, ocean as well as sunken boats making it impossible to leave. 

Wayne WITT (her owner) is waiting for high tide November 5 2017 to get her out of the passage way – if that fails then my 3 week training charter is cancelled.

 

My only alternative then is Bill ROUSE who has been retained by the current owner to fly to NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA to hand her over which includes 1 week training. 

 

In addition, Bill ROUSE is coordinating some experienced AMEL people in the area to join me in the beginning.

 

Maybe we run into each other – let me know how it goes.

 

Best Regards Teun BAAS

Oct 19, 2017   20:10:07

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@...[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] points to check before buying 2003 Amel SM 2000

 

  

Hi Teun,

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Sounds like a plan to get in touch with Bill when we can´t find the right Amel in Europe.

 

Kindly regards,

 

Steven




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

svsunnyside
 

Hi James
I own the Maramu #219 built 1987 . On my boat, the breaker of 100A on the port side cabinet of the front cabine, feed Lofran and furling genoa.    The bow thruster is fed directly from the main switch via two heavy solenoids located on the left side of the bow thruster motor.   At the moment I am in Venezuela but next week I will be in Cartagena for a Packaging Symposium so I will take the opportunity to go on board to say hello to my loved  boat and verify what I wrote to you. Also if I am quite sure, at 78 it is better 
to verify (when possible).

Regards
Gabriele
S/V Sunny Side
Maramu #219
Todomar Yard Cartagena


From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, 19 October 2017, 14:14
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

 
Ian,

   Really sorry to hear that your boat has been dry for 18 months..that is far too long.  Thanks again for the information and I hope that you will find your boat in great shape when you relaunch next month.  

Best,

James
On Oct 19, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
I don’t go back to the boat until 6th November so can’t fully answer your question. There is a breaker in the front but I cant remember whether it covers the Genoa furler and the bow thruster or whether they are separate. I don’t know the wattage etc, but will do as one of the to do jobs is a complete bow thruster service.

I will make a note of it all as I go. Sorry my memory is a bit blank, unfortunately the boat has been on the hard for 18 months....

Best wishes

Ian 
Ocean Hobo SN96





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] points to check before buying 2003 Amel SM 2000

Teun BAAS <teunbaas@...>
 

Hi Steven,

 

I can NOT be much help to you as I am in the final stages of wrapping up buying an AMEL 54 without having the slightest experience with AMEL’s .

However from my research etc. just know it is a great & safe boat for cruising.

 

If everything goes according plan I will have in November a private 3 week charter in USVI on an AMEL 54 (LA ROCHELLE) – she survived the hurricanes but now is stuck in the channel due to silt from mountains, ocean as well as sunken boats making it impossible to leave.

Wayne WITT (her owner) is waiting for high tide November 5 2017 to get her out of the passage way – if that fails then my 3 week training charter is cancelled.

 

My only alternative then is Bill ROUSE who has been retained by the current owner to fly to NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA to hand her over which includes 1 week training.

 

In addition, Bill ROUSE is coordinating some experienced AMEL people in the area to join me in the beginning.

 

Maybe we run into each other – let me know how it goes.

 

Best Regards Teun BAAS

Oct 19, 2017   20:10:07

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] points to check before buying 2003 Amel SM 2000

 

 

Hi Teun,

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Sounds like a plan to get in touch with Bill when we can´t find the right Amel in Europe.

 

Kindly regards,

 

Steven


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

James Alton
 

Ian,

   Really sorry to hear that your boat has been dry for 18 months..that is far too long.  Thanks again for the information and I hope that you will find your boat in great shape when you relaunch next month.  

Best,

James

On Oct 19, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
I don’t go back to the boat until 6th November so can’t fully answer your question. There is a breaker in the front but I cant remember whether it covers the Genoa furler and the bow thruster or whether they are separate. I don’t know the wattage etc, but will do as one of the to do jobs is a complete bow thruster service.

I will make a note of it all as I go. Sorry my memory is a bit blank, unfortunately the boat has been on the hard for 18 months....

Best wishes

Ian 
Ocean Hobo SN96



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

Ian Park
 

James
I don’t go back to the boat until 6th November so can’t fully answer your question. There is a breaker in the front but I cant remember whether it covers the Genoa furler and the bow thruster or whether they are separate. I don’t know the wattage etc, but will do as one of the to do jobs is a complete bow thruster service.

I will make a note of it all as I go. Sorry my memory is a bit blank, unfortunately the boat has been on the hard for 18 months....

Best wishes

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Times They are a Changin' - Message from Bill Rouse

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Bill and Judy;
 
We wish you the best and thanks once again for generously sharing your experiences with us and the group. Wishing you health, success and happiness in you next chapter. I'm sure you both have filled quite a few pages of your life memory book on your adventures aboard BeBe that you can open, review and enjoy for the rest of your lives.
 
All the best;
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Times They are a Changin' - Message from Bill Rouse

 

All Amel Owners and Friends,

I have participated in this forum and with this wonderful group of people for 12 years. It has been fulfilling, educational, and occasionally entertaining.

As many of you know, we sold BeBe to great new owners, Dan & Lori Carlson, earlier this year. Many of you asked me to continue as part of this group and I have tried to participate when I feel as though I have something to contribute. You may have noticed a recent lack of participation.

And, as some of you know, several months ago I started Amel School which gives me the opportunity to train owners that are new-to-Amel. I also help those who want to buy an Amel to choose the best Amel for their budget (Pre-Purchase Consulting). I had my 400 page Amel Book printed and bound for my Amel School clients and I provide 24/7 Support to them. I am proud to say that in a few months I have clients throughout the world and just added my 20th client. Most are members of this Group.

This brings me to what I need to post today. I am going to almost totally remove myself from the Amel Yacht Owners Forum. I need to do this to be able to serve my clients properly. I do hope that you understand this. In the past few months I have been asked by a number of you about my Amel Book and other Amel School related services. I have a parting offer for members of this Yahoo Amel Yacht Owners Group who have owned their Amels for 2 years or longer. If you are interested please follow this link to a hidden page on my website: Amel Yacht Owners Group.

Hopefully we will meet (again) somewhere on the water while I am with one of my Amel School Clients. 

Best,


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

James Alton
 

Ian,

   Many thanks for that bit of information.  My Maramu has a 100 amp breaker for the bow thruster and the Genoa furler.  Does the Santorin also have a breaker and if so can you tell me the amperage rating?   If not, do you know the wattage rating of the motor?   My current thruster is fantastic and I am in no rush to change anything, but if there is a simple and proven option to increase the power such as a motor changeout, I would like to make that upgrade in the future.

   I finally got to see a Santorin up close this season, two actually.  Very nice boats, congratulations.  I also appreciate the fact that my Maramu is not as complex as the SM and for the wife and I 46’ is a nice size that we can easily handle.  Both are wonderful boats I think but fewer moving parts to break means I get to spend more time outside of the bilge and the engine room.  (grin)

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Oct 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The Santorin is 12v throughout. Much easier for my simple knowledge of electrical systems! But I believe the bow thruster is the same as the SM apart from the motor. Being smaller and lighter it won’t need the higher wattage.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN 96 ashore Clarke’s Court, Grenada.



Re: MAIN MAST CORROSION

Dave_Benjamin
 

You will need to remove the corroded section of the mast. I suggest having a replacement mast step fabricated out of G-10 or similar material that could be engineered to compensate for the lost length of material. G-10, aside from being incompressible is not not prone to corrosion so it's an excellent material to use for mast steps. Good luck with the project.