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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ken,

It depends on which water maker and where the membranes were mounted at the time installed. It also depends on if the previous owner relocated anything. 

Every Dessalator water maker I have seen has 3/8 inch JIC fittings. 

Trinidad was four times the price that I found in Houston when I had 2 new hoses made for a 160 liter Dessalator water maker for SM#387. The company in Houston used hydraulic high pressure 1/2" hose with stainless steel crimped-on 3/8" JIC fittings. The original was 3/8" hose.  I bought 2 stainless steel 3/8" JIC elbows to make a neater install. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Aug 21, 2017 4:07 PM, "Ken Powers sailingaquarius@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello All,

I was hoping that someone could tell me the length of the two high pressure hoses.  I have a SM2K built in 1999 and have the standard Dessalator water maker.   

Do they all have the 3/8 inch JIC fittings?  

I had my water maker serviced in St. Thomas (not happy with the service) and saw that the fittings were pitted.  The person doing the install just torqued it down until the leak stopped.  From the sounds the earlier post stating the correct torque of 17 to 19 pounds,  I should probably be looking to replace the high pressure hoses also.  

Is Trinidad a good place to get the hoses, or should I get them made in the US before returning to the boat in Trinidad?

Thanks,

Ken Powers
SM2K #262


On Monday, August 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Pat,

That is what they were on 387 when new. 

Best

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


   

On Aug 20, 2017 08:08, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

Hello All,

I was hoping that someone could tell me the length of the two high pressure hoses.  I have a SM2K built in 1999 and have the standard Dessalator water maker.   

Do they all have the 3/8 inch JIC fittings?  

I had my water maker serviced in St. Thomas (not happy with the service) and saw that the fittings were pitted.  The person doing the install just torqued it down until the leak stopped.  From the sounds the earlier post stating the correct torque of 17 to 19 pounds,  I should probably be looking to replace the high pressure hoses also.  

Is Trinidad a good place to get the hoses, or should I get them made in the US before returning to the boat in Trinidad?

Thanks,

Ken Powers
SM2K #262
sailingaquarius.com


On Monday, August 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Pat,

That is what they were on 387 when new. 

Best

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


   

On Aug 20, 2017 08:08, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

That is what they were on 387 when new. 

Best

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


   

On Aug 20, 2017 08:08, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I am surprised the fittings aren't metric. I don't know why I thought it had to be food grade hose, it will be easy to find normal hydraulic hose locally. 
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Aug 21, 2017 9:42 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

 
Pat, 

The original hose from Dessalator was normal hydraulic hose. I think that you are fine with it. 

I used hydraulic hose with machine-crimped stainless steel fittings. Mine had 3/8" JIC Stainless Fittings with, I believe 3/8" high pressure hose. You can use easier-to-find larger hose with your 3/8" fittings. Think about buying some stainless steel JIC "elbow" fittings to make the install neater.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970









On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:43 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I went to a hydraulic shop and had them make me the hoses with  swage fitted SS Aeroquip fittings.
They had food grade hose in stock. Impossible to leak.
Fair Winds\
Eric
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses
 
 
I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat, 

The original hose from Dessalator was normal hydraulic hose. I think that you are fine with it. 

I used hydraulic hose with machine-crimped stainless steel fittings. Mine had 3/8" JIC Stainless Fittings with, I believe 3/8" high pressure hose. You can use easier-to-find larger hose with your 3/8" fittings. Think about buying some stainless steel JIC "elbow" fittings to make the install neater.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970









On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:43 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I went to a hydraulic shop and had them make me the hoses with  swage fitted SS Aeroquip fittings.

They had food grade hose in stock. Impossible to leak.

Fair Winds\

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

 

 

I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

eric freedman
 

I went to a hydraulic shop and had them make me the hoses with  swage fitted SS Aeroquip fittings.

They had food grade hose in stock. Impossible to leak.

Fair Winds\

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

 

 

I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

karkauai
 

I got mine from a place in Charleston, SC. Look back at my posts and the info should be there.  If not call me and I'll see if I can find it on the boat.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:08 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: Watermaker hoses

greatketch@...
 

I have had to replace both high pressure hoses on my watermaker, and I used standard hydraulic hose.  I am pretty sure that between the RO membranes, and the carbon filters I use on the freshwater supply something else will kill me first...  Pretty sure.

There is also high pressure rated hose that is all plastic, no braided SS cover.  Works fine, just be really careful to protect it from chafe anywhere it touches anything.

For anyone who doesn't know:

According to every hydraulic guy I ever talked to, other than age, and stress cracking of the stainless fittings from salt, the biggest cause of failure of these fitting is over-tightening.  For many of these fittings the actual torque spec range is quite narrow. For 3/8" hose it is 17ft-lb min, 19 ft-lbs max.  That's a very tough spec range to meet by feel!

If you have a torque wrench that will fit, use it.  If not, do what I did, and practice with the torque wrench on a bolt several times until you know what the spec torque feels like before you crank these down with your standard wrenches.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


Watermaker hoses

Patrick McAneny
 

I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker Warning

John Clark
 

Thanks Eric,  I will be reassembling mine in a few months.  Definitely something to look at.
       Thx John
John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Cruising Pamlico Sound

On Aug 19, 2017 7:32 PM, "kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I was working on the watermaker and removed a few hoses. The
hose barbs snapped off on 2 connections. For some reason Amel used brass hose barbs instead of bronze ones. I inspected the others and they are all paper thin. Being that much of the watermaker is connected directly to the salt water manifold I could have had a flood on board if the barb just wore through. I have replaced them all with bronze.
 
Fair winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DC Grounding fault

Alan Leslie
 

Yes Eric, that's correct...that's what I am saying....and the connection is through my AIS Serial-USB converter and the laptop charger. Now I have installed a separate p0wer supply for the laptop, the problem has gone away.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Watermaker Warning

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DC Grounding fault

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DC Grounding fault

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Mark,

Similar to my situation, which is now resolved with a groundless DC supply for the laptop.
I think this issue would not occur if the AC and DC grounds were not connected at the Capleda AC pump.
In other words installing a March pump (no ground) in place of the Calpeda may solve the problem.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Down wind sail configuration

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Miles,

Sorry to log in on this topic so late but since most of the responses you received were from Supers and your Maramu has been re-rigged so as to not be easily adapted to the Amel downwind layout, I thought perhaps I could offer an alternative.

As brilliant at the double headsail setup on the SM is, it may not be the best approach.  There have been studies to indicate that having two headsails meet at the forestay with no gap is not optimal.  Having a gap between two headsails provides an escape for the build up of pressure which is advantageous for gusting conditions and provides some relief for the standing rigging without significant loss of drive.

On Libertad, we have a second headsail with an integral stay that is raised on one of our spinnaker halyards and poled out opposite to the poled out genoa.  The sail is cut so it doesn't need to be furled and the integral stay is relatively light ss wire because we don't fly it in any wind greater than 15 kts apparent.  This configuration closely mirrors the SM rig and provides a gap between the two headsails.  I suggest you don't overhaul your forestay/furling system when the same/similar result can be achieved with a custom headsail.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Ensenada, MX


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Securing dinghy ashore

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, I had not thought about such a device to track the dinghy if stolen. We already have an InReach  Explorer on board , so family knows where we are and Diane uses the text feature daily to contact the kids , works great everywhere. I will simply hide that in our dinghy , we have a locker where it would be out of sight . It transits position  few minutes , which would make it very easy to find no matter how far away to was taken . 
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Dieter inusbusch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Aug 19, 2017 8:28 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Securing dinghy ashore

 
Mark,
a nice device. But I am not looking for a world wide localisation with additional costs. My application is to leave the dinghy ashore while going out for visiting a new place. I wonder if something is on the market?
Dieter

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 19.08.2017 um 13:29 schrieb 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 
Dieter,
 
Spot Trace uses satellite technology and is a device that can be use to recover a dinghy:
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 5:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Securing dinghy ashore
 
 
I have heard that one can use the anchor watch in a manner that you get information on your mobile phone when you are out and the boat is slipping. There are a lot of such gps systems for cars, trucks.
I wonder if there is not a system which can be used for the dinghy as well and at least you get information when your dinghy is moving. Who knows if there is something applicable on the market? I would be very interested – in addition to the chain solution.
 
Dieter
Fal-lera Sharki #135


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Securing dinghy ashore

INUS - BUSCH
 

Mark,
a nice device. But I am not looking for a world wide localisation with additional costs. My application is to leave the dinghy ashore while going out for visiting a new place. I wonder if something is on the market?
Dieter

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 19.08.2017 um 13:29 schrieb 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Dieter,

 

Spot Trace uses satellite technology and is a device that can be use to recover a dinghy:

 

https://www.findmespot.com/shop/

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 5:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Securing dinghy ashore

 

 

I have heard that one can use the anchor watch in a manner that you get information on your mobile phone when you are out and the boat is slipping. There are a lot of such gps systems for cars, trucks.

I wonder if there is not a system which can be used for the dinghy as well and at least you get information when your dinghy is moving. Who knows if there is something applicable on the market? I would be very interested – in addition to the chain solution.

 

Dieter

Fal-lera Sharki #135


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Securing dinghy ashore

Mark Erdos
 

Dieter,

 

Spot Trace uses satellite technology and is a device that can be use to recover a dinghy:

 

https://www.findmespot.com/shop/

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 5:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Securing dinghy ashore

 

 

I have heard that one can use the anchor watch in a manner that you get information on your mobile phone when you are out and the boat is slipping. There are a lot of such gps systems for cars, trucks.

I wonder if there is not a system which can be used for the dinghy as well and at least you get information when your dinghy is moving. Who knows if there is something applicable on the market? I would be very interested – in addition to the chain solution.

 

Dieter

Fal-lera Sharki #135


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DC Grounding fault

Mark Pitt
 

Hi Alan,

  I had the same circumstances a few months ago and went through the steps that Ofer recommends.  No luck.  Then I discovered that when I disconnected the HDMI cable connecting my DC powered PC to my AC power monitor, the ground fault indication went away.  Even connecting devices with a USB cable, such as a printer or GPS, may cause a ground fault if one device is DC powered and the other is AC powered.  

Best,

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, SM 419, currently in Mallorca, Spain



On Aug 13, 2017, at 11:56 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I wrote about this last year and never found a solution but the problem went away by itself. 

NOW it's back again : MASSE - light comes on when the switch in the companionway is operated.

Meaning there is a connection between 24VDC -ve and the ground system - somewhere.

I've disconnected the macerator pumps, the watermaker DC pump, the anchor wash pump, the refrigerator, no difference. 

What else is there that would have both 24VDC-ve and a ground connected to it that could cause this fault ?

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437 


Re: Securing dinghy ashore

INUS - BUSCH
 

I have heard that one can use the anchor watch in a manner that you get information on your mobile phone when you are out and the boat is slipping. There are a lot of such gps systems for cars, trucks.

I wonder if there is not a system which can be used for the dinghy as well and at least you get information when your dinghy is moving. Who knows if there is something applicable on the market? I would be very interested – in addition to the chain solution.

 

Dieter

Fal-lera Sharki #135