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Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
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I did the same work according the very good description of Bill this summer. With the right tools easy but not nice work. I ordered the copper at onlinemetals.com in the US. Just to let you know what we payed it was 95$. Maybe you get it cheaper in Europe.
The copper we used is much thicker than the original one of Amel. Our once was almost gone it had just a thin connection. The previous owner emptied the bilge always when he left the boat (he just used it for vacation) maybe you can prolong the lifetime of the copper bar by doing this, but with a new thicker copper bar I assume that the lifetime of the bar is automatically much longer. Good luck. Oliver SV JoEmi SM 2000
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Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
eamonn.washington@...
I searched the files section for “bonding strap” without luck, to get the dimensions where to bend the metal and the size hole required. Do you know where the file is?
Thanks Eamonn Travel Bug SM 151
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Refit
maciej@...
Never, ever use Emek for ANY work or even to broker any sale or purchase. Here is my sad story. In November 2016 I purchased an Amel SM 53 brokered by Emek. At the same time Emek sold my previous vessel. While still at Gocek and then shortly thereafter, together we compiled a list of a basic refit works. The estimate was for about $46K. At this point all started unraveling. First of all Mr. Cakir refused to get me my proceeds for the sale of my old boat under the pretenses of the 'down payment' for this refit. So for $46K of estimated work he defrauded me of $56. When I tried to negotiate a reasonable down payment, proposing on my side 20% of his estimate and giving him a chance to come with some counteroffer he simply did not even tried to negotiate anything in good faith. Being extremely frustrated by this situation and not getting any report on the progress of works, I contracted a captain to get my vessel out of hand of Emek and get it delivered to a place of my choosing. Mr. Cakir decided to keep both my vessel and my money hostage by flatly refusing to release her to anybody but me personally. Both the way Mr. Cakir handled my money and my vessel is such an unprincipled behavior unbecoming of a boat broker's and any honest person for that matter. When I eventually arrived at Gocek in June 2017 I founded out that of the estimate list only part of work was done however the invoice grew from $46 to $53K!! It included $6,200 for keeping my vessel in a boatyard for several weeks just for anitfouling. Just please do not question my intelligence while you read the rest of this horror story. At this point instead of taking my boat and getting as far as possible from Emek and Mr. Cakir I let myself get convinced, and yes, he can be convincing and quite charming, to get even more work performed by Emek on my boat. We agreed on the cost of $87K and the deadline of August 10, 2017. While the boat was hauled out again on July 17, my wife and I were supposed to spend about 3 weeks at the local hotel after which time the vessel would be launched and ready for sea trials to straighten up all kinks with completion day of August 10. So now we're October 24, 2017 - we had to stay at the hotel 3 months so far instead of promised 3 weeks, at the cost close to 6,000 euros. Out of the estimated $87K of repair cost so far I've provided Emek with $57K yet still after those 3 months and substantial down payment Mr. Cakir did not purchased essential supplies needed for this refit and as the result most of the work are still not completed. Furthermore just today Mr. Cakir tried to extort more money from me by implying that work will not be completed if I don’t cough up more funds. Talking about impudence! No effort to patch up this debacle that he’s completely responsible for. So here I am, after spending close to $300,000, including the purchase, spending the whole summer at a hotel, my boat is stuck at a local boatyard, not sea worthy by far, kept hostage by Mr. Cakir. Just today I hired a local lawyer and we’re staring a process of recovering my boat and money from Emek and Mr. Cakir. This company and its owner are simply dishonest fraudsters with a thorough lack of honor end decency.
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Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
eamonn.washington@...
Fantastic info, I’ll get to work.
Thanks Eamonn Travel Bug SM 151
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
eric freedman
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
Hey Danny,
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Fantastic solutions for we "CARBS" (Cheap Ass Rag Baggers) ! Love it! Cheers, Craig SN68 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote : Hi, I was maintaining my boat in remote locations (definition of long distance cruising) and needed to do this job. I found a meter long (39 inch) piece of D12 reinforcing rod on the side of the road. I ground a square on one end to fit the socket and used a stilson pipe wrench on the other. Saved buying 3 12 inch extensions which weren't available there anyway. If copper bar is not available copper tube as used (or used to be) in plumbing, flattened at each end does the job. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi, I was maintaining my boat in remote locations (definition of long distance cruising) and needed to do this job. I found a meter long (39 inch) piece of D12 reinforcing rod on the side of the road. I ground a square on one end to fit the socket and used a stilson pipe wrench on the other. Saved buying 3 12 inch extensions which weren't available there anyway. If copper bar is not available copper tube as used (or used to be) in plumbing, flattened at each end does the job. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good afternoon Eamonn,
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Something I did 3 years ago but haven’t illustrated yet. First you need the copper bar. Bill R. (s/v BeBe) provided the dimensions. 47 1/2” long, 2” width and 1/8” thick. It is bent in 3 places. I followed his instructions: completely emptied then cleaned the bilge (not a fun job) as you will need to remove the float, etc. take the opportunity to clean it perfectly. It is hold at the bottom by a 30 mm socket and you will need three 12” extensions to reach it. Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 10/24/17, eamonn.washington@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 2:21 PM Today I noticed that the copper bar in the grey water tank is completely corroded away at the bottom. Assuming I get a replacement bar or strap (5mm thick, how long?), how is it mechanically connected to the keel bolt? Is there a special tool or some trick to do this? I can’t even see the keel bolt due to the murky water. I am in the process of cleaning it. RegardsEamonn WashingtonTravel Bug SM 151On the hard in Cleopatra Marina, Greece.
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Re: staysail mizzen setup
Jose Venegas
Hi Graham, In my SM 278, I mounted the wind generator on top of the mizzen mast and used rubber mounts to reduce any potential noise or vibration (which is not perceivable event when it blows >20). I do have the radar mounted on the mast but it does not seem to affect whether I hoist the sail starboard or port as long as I pass it on the proper side of the main back stay. Although my mizzen staysail is the original and a little bit overused, it can still give me one extra nut when the relative wind is behind the beam. My next purchase will be one that I can use with lower angles in low wind conditions. Unless you move your wind generator to the top of the mast, I don’t see how you can use the mizzen staysail. I will try to upload a pix or two.
Fair winds,
Jose, Ipanema SM278 Getting ready for hopefully its last winter in Boston.
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Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
eamonn.washington@...
Today I noticed that the copper bar in the grey water tank is completely corroded away at the bottom. Assuming I get a replacement bar or strap (5mm thick, how long?), how is it mechanically connected to the keel bolt? Is there a special tool or some trick to do this? I can’t even see the keel bolt due to the murky water. I am in the process of cleaning it.
Regards Eamonn Washington Travel Bug SM 151 On the hard in Cleopatra Marina, Greece.
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Re: Need diesel tank access
eamonn.washington@...
I will again suggest that he takes some safety precautions, such as the suggestions here (dry ice, N2, CO2).
There is no room at the top of the tank to make inspection hatches (only possible if the tank is out of the boat). So he will make 2 wide inspection hatches both of which overlap 2 compartments by 20cm each, thus giving access to all 4 compartments. These will be near the top of the tank facing but above the engine. He says he has cut diesel tanks many times, no explosion risk from diesel, but he will have a mate watch him the whole time with a fire extinguisher in case of a fire. I am letting the tank naturally ventilate via the top electric gauge, before he cuts next week. Eamonn, Travel Bug sm 151
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] staysail mizzen setup
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi, In my 8 years I have used the mizzen stay sail often and have never sheeted it to the mizzen boom. I have an eye on the gunwale forward of the aft mooring cleat that I clip a block to. I run it through another turning block to line up to the winch. My wind generator is a a German made Super Wind and is on top of the mizzen. Fantastic location for it. The super wind has self feathering blades that work in strong winds so there is no need to secure the blades in extreme conditions. Agree about the back stay, no problem, just flip around it. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean earl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas
Awesome, Thanks Jeff I appreciate the information!
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Cheers!
-----Original Message----- From: JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 6:24 am Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas Mark,
The boats that anchored out ended up on the beach save 2. That was not the case with Irma, which was weathered safely by all. I hope you're doing well these days Mark!
The trip to or from San Juan is about 21/2 hours. I made it in 2 hours last trip. You can fly into Aquadilla, and make the trip to the marina in 45 minutes or less.
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:00 PM, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas
Thanks Mark
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Do you anchor if you are leaving the boat and if so what do you do about security?
Cheers
Courtney
-----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Mon, Oct 23, 2017 9:55 pm Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas Hi Courtney,
We do not stay
in a marina unless we plan to be someplace for a month and can get a monthly
rate. The short answer to your question is it depends on the island and the
marina location. But rule of thumb is about US$1000 for a month, give or take a
little.
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 4:36 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas A
huge thanks to everyone for there help. Are all Marinas in the Islands
this expensive?
Cheers!
Courtney
s/v Trippin'
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From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Mon, Oct 23, 2017 3:26 pm Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas Courtney,
Try Palmas Del Mar Yacht Club.
It is a really top notch facility with reasonable monthly rates. We paid about
$1200 for the month earlier this year. Lots of stuff within walking distance
and Target Car Rental on site. Excellent security!!!! Costco, Wal-Mart and
Ralphs Grocery all nearby. Most of the staff speak English fluently.
Tell Glenda that Mark and Cindy
from Cream Puff said hello.
Glenda L. Félix
The Yacht Club Marina
Palmas del Mar
370 Harbour Drive
Humacao, PR 00791
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 12:21 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas Hi guys I was shocked today when I
received a Quote for $2106 a month for my 54 at Puerto Del Rey in
Fajardo. This is the reply I received when questioning the price.
Any suggestions for a more reasonable yet safe local. I will be leaving
my boat for just a month? Thanks
Courtney
s/v Trippin'
Hi Courtney,
The .95 is the monthly price for
a boat 0-40’, 41’ to 49’ is $1.10 and 50’ to 59’ is $1.30. Prices increase with
the boats LOA. In which Marina are you stationed right now? An annual agreement
might be close to $800-$900 in PDR which is a hurricane hole as well. I
currently have an offer called “Ancho Down for 10 Off” which can give you up to
18% discount when you pre-pay your seasonal agreement. Let me know if you would
like to proceed with a reservation.
I remain at your service,
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Re: Information about spare part
Hi Joachim, This definitely looks like Amel's version of the famous Chinese Magic Linking Rings.Cheers, Craig SN68 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <shivajogi@...> wrote :
Hallo to everybody l am having a amel sharki no 3 since 7 years with many pleasure i want to know of somebody of the Group could tell me for what the part of the picture is? I find 2 of them  Thanks Regard Joachim
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Information about spare part
Joachim
Hallo to everybody
l am having a amel sharki no 3 since 7 years with many pleasure i want to know of somebody of the Group could tell me for what the part of the picture is? I find 2 of them
Thanks Regard Joachim
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need diesel tank access
Gregory Shea
Eamonn, In the first world the preferred method is to put dry ice in the tank to displace the oxygen before cutting or welding. In the third world they connect a hose to an exhaust pipe and use exhaust gas. I have successfully used the first method when there has been an inspection hatch to pass the ice through. The second seems fraught with water vapour, unburnt fuel etc. but it is a common practice. Without an inspection hatch, I guess any inert gas injected through the fuel outlet would work. Your pros undoubtedly have their own preference.
Greg Shea
Currently on the hard in CataniaSharki 133 Cap des Iles
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 5:14 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need diesel tank access Thanks Bob, Eric and Ann-Sophie. Based on your feedback I will go for hatch covers to be made, if possible. Where are the hatches on the SM 2000 ?
I will soon speak to the steel guy and request 3 top rectangular inspection hatches to be made in the 4 forward compartments, and one side hatch in the aft compartment (no room on top). I was wondering about how to get all the fumes out before cutting.
Ann-Sophies idea of compressed air is good. I thought of over filling it with water and draining.
The tank is empty now and the fuel will be cleaned outside the boat. I am busy removing the last little scraps of insulation from the tank.
Regards
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug SM 151 (1995)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need diesel tank access
James Alton
Eamonn,
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Flooding the tank with an inert gas to remove the O2 seems is the method that I used when drilling two iron tanks. I used C02 since it was readily handy, but nitrogen should work as well. I kept a slow flow of the gas going during the machining operations. Depending on what gas you use, insure that the worker has a fresh air supply. James Alton SV, Sueno, Maramu #220
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas
JEFFREY KRAUS
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Re: Need diesel tank access
eamonn.washington@...
Thanks Bob, Eric and Ann-Sophie.
Based on your feedback I will go for hatch covers to be made, if possible. Where are the hatches on the SM 2000 ? I will soon speak to the steel guy and request 3 top rectangular inspection hatches to be made in the 4 forward compartments, and one side hatch in the aft compartment (no room on top). I was wondering about how to get all the fumes out before cutting. Ann-Sophies idea of compressed air is good. I thought of over filling it with water and draining. The tank is empty now and the fuel will be cleaned outside the boat. I am busy removing the last little scraps of insulation from the tank. Regards Eamonn Washington Travel Bug SM 151 (1995)
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