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Re: Maretron Electronics experience?
Alan Leslie
Furuno is famous for ruggedness and reliability. Look at fishing boats, what do they have? Furuno. Elyse has had Furuno plotters since 2004...so that's 14 years...without any problems at all. Seems very odd that you have 2 plotters die in one year, and other problems. Seems to me that it may not be a Furuno problem but a boat wiring problem you have. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?
Any electrical storm/lightning nearby? JOEL F. POTTER CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY Office 954-462-5869
On Feb 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, danielmfrey63@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi
Isn't it a Little bit strange that on the same trip 2 or 3 electronic devices (1 or 2 Plotters and 1 VHF) "die"?
I would first look for the reasons why.
Maybe something wrong with the electronic circuit?
And aren't These devices "protected" by fuses?
Have they been checked?
Just some thoughts.
Best - Daniel
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Re: Maretron Electronics experience?
Hi
Isn't it a Little bit strange that on the same trip 2 or 3 electronic devices (1 or 2 Plotters and 1 VHF) "die"?
I would first look for the reasons why.
Maybe something wrong with the electronic circuit?
And aren't These devices "protected" by fuses?
Have they been checked?
Just some thoughts.
Best - Daniel
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Re: Maretron Electronics experience?
Duane,
I can not comment specifically on the Maretron brand other than by reputation (good!), but I have a lot of experience with NMEA2k network. It really is plug and play. Mostly...
Raymarine Seatalk NG is one special case. They use the NMEA2k protocol, but with their own proprietary connectors. We integrated a Raymarine AIS system into our mostly B&G network without a problem just by using an adapter cable. Simrad does the same thing with different connectors. Adapters are available for all.
The good news is that the cables are really simple, just four wires, two for power, two for data. You can splice them without a problem if you end up with connector frustration.
Other than occasional issues with connector matching, I have never had any problem with instruments talking to each other over the NMEA2k network.
If you are thinking about the WS0100, you might want to seriously look at the line of ultrasonic wind sensors from Airmar. Some of them are designed more with sailboats in mind. They understand heel, and true vs apparent wind, and other such details. I used one with a B&G based NMEA2k network on my old boat and was very happy with it. Some of these also include gyro compass data so you can use them to supply heading data to your AP. All over the NMEA2k network. In my past experience Airmar's tech support is excellent, and worth a call to help you decide between the many models available.
Along with wind, temperature, compass, gyro rate, barometric pressure, pitch, roll, yaw, GPS data, some of them incorporate a dew point sensor. That has a reputation as a bit fragile, so might not be worth spending extra on unless you are a real weather geek!
Bill Kinney Sm160, Harmonie Freeport, Bahamas
---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote : Recently on a trip from Georgia to West Palm Beach FL our Furuno plotter at the helm died, this is the second Furuno helm plotter to die in a year. The Furuno at the nav desk has taken to going "blip" and resetting itself. Neither of these things inspires any confidence so we've decided to bite the bullet and replace much of the electronics.
In looking at what's available I liked the Maretron DST110 Triducer for depth, speed and temperature. I'm not sure if it will fit yet, but Delos plugged it into their existing thru-hull. I also like the Maretron masthead unit WS0100 for being solid state, no moving parts, and being a weather station to boot (air temp, humidity and barometric pressure). Both of these are NMEA 2000. I know there's been a lot of discussion on the speed/depth sensors, but those discussions were based on keeping the Hydra, I'm going to ditch it in favor of a new system.
I wonder, is NMEA 2000 really going to let me plug in different manufacturers and be successful? I understand it's the stated goal, but is it practical? If I were to go with a B&G Zeus 3 (and 4G radar) and the above Maretron sensors (and maybe the small Maretron multi-function displays to replace the B&G) it should work, right?
I plan on keeping the Raymarine Autopilot (S3G) system and using a multiplexer/converter to port it over to the chartplotter. By keeping the S3G I should be able to use the Raymarine Fluxgate Compass and rudder sensor for the whole system (right?).
My Raymarine VHF died on this same trip, so instead of trying to save it, I'm going to replace it with a NMEA 2000 black box. The B&G V90 does both VHF and AIS, one unit, one aerial.
I'd appreciate any experience with the Maretron instruments, and whether the mix and match approach seems reasonable. Any hints or suggestions are also welcome.
Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Maretron Electronics experience?
Recently on a trip from Georgia to West Palm Beach FL our Furuno plotter at the helm died, this is the second Furuno helm plotter to die in a year. The Furuno at the nav desk has taken to going "blip" and resetting itself. Neither of these things inspires any confidence so we've decided to bite the bullet and replace much of the electronics.
In looking at what's available I liked the Maretron DST110 Triducer for depth, speed and temperature. I'm not sure if it will fit yet, but Delos plugged it into their existing thru-hull. I also like the Maretron masthead unit WS0100 for being solid state, no moving parts, and being a weather station to boot (air temp, humidity and barometric pressure). Both of these are NMEA 2000. I know there's been a lot of discussion on the speed/depth sensors, but those discussions were based on keeping the Hydra, I'm going to ditch it in favor of a new system.
I wonder, is NMEA 2000 really going to let me plug in different manufacturers and be successful? I understand it's the stated goal, but is it practical? If I were to go with a B&G Zeus 3 (and 4G radar) and the above Maretron sensors (and maybe the small Maretron multi-function displays to replace the B&G) it should work, right?
I plan on keeping the Raymarine Autopilot (S3G) system and using a multiplexer/converter to port it over to the chartplotter. By keeping the S3G I should be able to use the Raymarine Fluxgate Compass and rudder sensor for the whole system (right?).
My Raymarine VHF died on this same trip, so instead of trying to save it, I'm going to replace it with a NMEA 2000 black box. The B&G V90 does both VHF and AIS, one unit, one aerial.
I'd appreciate any experience with the Maretron instruments, and whether the mix and match approach seems reasonable. Any hints or suggestions are also welcome.
Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor Locker
Miles
I think that you are right about ventilation in the chain locker helping to reducing the growth of the the mold in the chain locker. If the moisture content of wood is kept below 20-28% (depending on species and whether rot is established already) it won’t rot either. It is nice to know that people like yourself are doing what they can to take good care of these amazing boats.
Best,
James
SV Sueño Maramu #220
Hello James, You make an excellent point in advising that the chain locker door be opened when the boat is in a marina. I try to always open the door in a marina and when the boat is out of the water. The open door allows a nice air flow through the locker and makes a noticeable difference in the growth of mold and dampness of the wood. Regards, Miles s/y Ladybug, SM 216, Le Marin, Martinique
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar MEJ1 Furlers
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of seals for gearbox oil change
Peter Forbes
Trying to contact Gian Piero Staffa. Peter Forbes 00447836 209730
On 22 Feb 2018, at 06:59, Peter Forbes < ppsforbes@...> wrote: Jean-Pierre,
Hope all is well with you?
Thank you yes please can you send me his mail address and I will tell him of your reco.
Peter Forbes The Old Rectory Farnham Blandford Dorset DT11 8DE
Hello Peter,
Gian Piero Staffa lives in Antigua and has a ’54. If you need his email, I’ll send you his perso email addy.
Tell him I sent you…
Kind regards
Jean-Pierre Germain SY ELEUTHERA, SM 007
Fellow Amelians,
Does any one know of a mechanic experienced enough to undertake change of prop gearbox seals on Amel 54 in Antigua.
Peter Forbes
00447836 209730
Carango
Amel 54
St Lucia en route to Antigua
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Hello James, You make an excellent point in advising that the chain locker door be opened when the boat is in a marina. I try to always open the door in a marina and when the boat is out of the water. The open door allows a nice air flow through the locker and makes a noticeable difference in the growth of mold and dampness of the wood. Regards, Miles s/y Ladybug, SM 216, Le Marin, Martinique
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar MEJ1 Furlers
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
@ yahoo.comBest, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver
Hi Porter, I Appreciate your comment. Regards Danny
On 23 February 2018 at 00:17 "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Thank you Danny. Porter 54-152 Well said Pat,
And Thanks Danny for taking the time to share your experience with us regarding the insurance.
Sincerely Alexandre
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On Wed, 2/21/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 6:39 AM
Hanspeter, I have owned my Amel and been a
member of this group for 11 years and never realized that
this group was strictly a "technical exchange
platform" thanks for enlightening me and the rest of
the group . OOPS , I guess technically , this was was a
technical post. Please disregard , Sorry !
Pat
SM#123
-----Original
Message-----
From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...'
hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it
deliver
Dear Mr. Baileys and Danny
I
don't like that you use this forum as an add and
marketing platform. Insurance are different by
countries.
Mr.
Baileys; you mentioned that we need an avocate at claim? My
question ? who is paying the avocate ?
Looking
forward that this platform remains as a technical exchange
platform
PS: there
are lots of other social platforms to share individuels
needs.
kr
Hanspeter
Tamango
2
SM16; Las
Palmas
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 19.02.2018 um 20:49 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
Hi All,
I received a personal email asking the name of the
insurance company that disappointed us. It was Haven Knox
Johnson, a Lloyds of London Company. The broker was The
Marina Shop of Opua NZ and the Assessor was Steve Lott of
New Zealand.
We have a new Broker, Baileys Insurance brokers of
Auckland NZ, and a new insurer recommended by them. QBE
Marine insurers. Steve Bailey the principal of the company
is a sailor himself. As always until you have a claim you
don't know the quality of the insurer and we have yet to
have a claim under this cover.(and hope we never will)
However we have confidence in our broker.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 17 February 2018 at 07:24
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Hi all,
Further to my below, no one said no so I copy here an
email from my new broker sent after he read some of the
posts.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Hi
all,
I’ve
been reading some of the comments posted by many of you
about pleasure craft insurance policies.
I
feel very sorry for you, and agreed it is not a good
situation at all – but it shouldn’t be that way, and
sounds like you’ve not been getting the right advice or
support here. We always use “agreed value” policies
and they have worked for us and our clients as they should,
many, many times. One just less than a week ago in
fact.
What
you need is an advocate at claim time to ensure the claims
process goes as it should – in addition t
o ensuring your policy is set up correctly. This is where
an experienced Marine Insurance Broker comes in – well, a
good one anyway!
There
are also certain Insurance Companies to avoid out there.
Their policies aren’t worth the paper they are written
on.
Sincere
regards,
Neil
Bailey
Director
Bailey
Insurance Brokers
Auckland
New
Zealand
On 16 February 2018 at 14:27
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
60;
Hi all,
As I said before I was burned badly by an insurance
company. I changed brokers and have a "agreed
value" policy with my new broker.
I forwarded him some of the correspondence because,
firstly I wanted him to know what was going on and secondly
to see what he said regarding my "agreed Value"
policy. He has sent me a response which is helpful. He does
have a good name. Is it OK for me to share his reply with
the group. I'm not trying to promote him, just to add
something that may be helpful.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand
On 16 February 2018 at 06:42
"Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Alexandre,
Trust me, I for one will reread my policy with a more
critical eye. Its disgusting how an insurance company would
look for any excuse , even an invalid one to escape their
responsibly .. I will guarantee that the vast majority of
boaters are not aware of these practices, and believe that
they have an umbrella of protection , that in reality does
not exist. I urge you guys to find a way to tell your story
to a wider audience.
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original
Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:11 a
m
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
Hello Pat,
I totally agree with you Danny.
This is why my lawyer said it was a rip off to start with.
You are paying in good faith a higher premium thinking you
are covered, but you are not.
I URGE everybody to read their insurance policies.
Most of you probably never even receive it (I had to ask
for mine).
I think as a boating community, if we group ourselves we
have a way to make things better.
Example on my insurance policy it says
in case of a name storm approaching you have to:
remove anything that offers wind resistance which is:
bimini, sails, lazy bags, blade of wind turbine, dinghy,
etc. these items must be removed and store inside the boat.
As Rafael tragically find out, this also include barbecues.
That is why they say “anything” even if not listed....
Then it says the boom must be attached to the deck.
Then you have to close all unnecessary sea cock.
Valuable objects such as electronics must be disassembled
and store on land...
Then you have to “triple” the number of normal fenders,
dock lines, etc.
IF YOU FAIL TO DO ANY OF THESE, the policy is canceled.
I really implore Rafael to tell his story…
Last week I met a french guy, so we chat, he used to be
hired by insurance adjuster to find “anything” on a
boat. He said, if there was a fire, the insurance adjuster
would hire him to find any electrical welding (if I u
nderstood properly), as soon as they find 1, even if it is
at the top of the mast, the policy is void and they don’t
reimburse.
He said he was disgusted and like many sailor I met now
simply has liability.
Alexandre
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On Thu, 2/15/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:15 AM
The
insurance company based the premiums on the Agreed value
,
and then only will pay out based on what they determine
the
market value is, because they don't want you to be
enriched ! Did they not e
nrich themselves by charging
excessive premiums for coverage they probably never
intended
to honor ? This kind of information needs to get out to
the
entire boating community through the internet and
sailing
magazines . I encourage anyone treated unfairly to
relate
their story , if it results in lost business maybe
they
will get the message. If 10% of those covered by a
company
cancelled and took their business elsewhere and gave the
reason why , it would get their attention. Its sad to lose
a
dream .
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original
Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtown
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:34 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owne
rs] Amel owner saying
goodbye
Good morning Danny,
I also have an “agreed” policy (from Helvetia through
de
Lassee), BUT as my lawyer told me, this is a rip off as,
it
is written on the contrat that the insurance has the
right
to challenge the “agreed value” and pay only the
market
value because the owner would “enrich” himself if
case
of a total loss. (meaning that: if you are reimburse the
agreed value, you would “enrich” yourself getting
more
than the market value).
That is what my insurance is doing, so my lawyer ask me
to
compile all the invoices for the last 5 years to prove
that
1) vessel was better equipped justifying the agreed
value,
2) vessel was better maintained (justifying the higher
agreed value) 3) that my expens
es were higher than the
average, etc...
So now I have my own adjuster writing a full report with
all
the details.
We have been working since November on this.
So for anyone thinking they are safely covered with an
“agreed” value, please read your entire policy. If
you
want I can show the specific section where what I just
explained is written. That will be in french in my case.
Sincerely, Alexandre
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On Wed, 2/14/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
To: amely
achtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 10:51 PM
I too have been raped by insurers in the past. I now
have a policy with an "agreed Value" . I hope
that
would help in the case of a write off.DannySM
299 Ocean PearlOn 15 February 2018 at 11:19
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Dear Rafael,
I think you need to tell
the Group “your” story about the insu
rance.
We have the same insurance
Helvetia contracted through de Lassee and I really think
every Amel owner should know the ridiculous excuses they
used to remove 30% of the value of your boat.
It is not “my” place to
tell everybody the way they treated “you”, but I
will
write mine with all the details when it will be settled.
I am definitely sorry that
your vessel was destroy soon after you purchased her and
did
not had the joy of sailing her.
Sincerely, Alexandre
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On Wed, 2/14/18, rcavie
<no_reply@...>
wrote:
Subject: [Am
el Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Date:
Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 1:57 PM
Dear
friends AMEL ownersProbably this
will be
the last email that I send and I will withdraw from
the group. The reason is that Hurricane
Irma
destroyed my Amel SM2k and it will be
impossible for me to
recover it.The
insurance will only pay a fraction of
what
it would cost me to buy an equal one. Deductibles and
other reasons.This situation not only
destroyed my<
br>
ship but my dreams. My dreams
of living on board with my
wife, my dreams
of crossing the Atlantic to the East, my
dreams of sailing the Mediterranean and perhaps other
seas
and finally returning to the beautiful
South of
Chile.
In this
group I gained friends
and knowledge and
for that, I thank each and every one of
you, especially Eric and Alexandre who from the
beginning
helped me with their advice.
If
you sail to Chile you will have a
friend
here.Greetings to
all
Fair
windsRafaelSM2k
246
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar MEJ1 Furlers
kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
Hi Porter,
What is the rest of the email address. Portermcroberts@......?
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Search and Rescue Contact Info
Hi All, I was just updating SAR info for Malta, Sardinia, Corsica, etc and found an informative site https://sarcontacts.info/ I hope you find it useful--it covers area worldwide. Nice interactive map.
Thinking that I might have missed something in Noonsite, I sent it on to them and received a reply that made me feel good!
Hi Bob, Thanks for the great suggestion - I can't believe we've
overlooked getting that info. on Noonsite! I have already added the site to our Safety page - http://www.noonsite.com/General/MedicalSafety/,
and we will get on and add each SAR base to the Emergency section for each
country. Really helpful info. thanks so much. Look forward to some Malta updates when you get the
chance! All the best, Sue
Evidently “The worldwide Search and Rescue Contacts" website is managed by the Canadian Coast Guard in JRCC Halifax location.
Bob (Colorado), KAIMI SM429 (Malta)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar MEJ1 Furlers
I couldn’t find a new motor for mine. While not new. I did rebuild my motor right before taking it off the boat. Let me know if your interested. Please contact me directly if so
On Feb 13, 2018, at 7:39 AM, kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I was wondering if anyone knows what the specs are for the 24v motor that drives the Bamar MEJ1 furlers. I want to buy a spare motor but the UK agent charges £766 inc VAT for it. This strikes me as excessively expensive. I bet that the motor itself would be available direct from its manufacturer for a fraction of that price. For example last year I bought two spare toothed belts for the Bamar, they cost me £49 each. Since then I have managed to source them direct for £6 each, simply by using the code stamped on the belt. Exactly the same belt, same quality, same size etc.
Nick S/Y Amelia (Amel 54 #019)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boat Insurance///transmission Amel 54 IBIS
Yes. The tranny’s ordered from florida. 1750+280 fedex. 53lbs. Only?? Shipping Friday 2 day air. Arrives Tuesday?. Then customs......
Appreciate your confirmation.
Porter
On Feb 21, 2018, at 11:12 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Porter,
Yes, taking into consideration all of the history, I agree you only have 1 realistic and dependable choice. Do you plan to do it in St. Thomas?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Well said Pat,
And Thanks Danny for taking the time to share your experience with us regarding the insurance.
Sincerely Alexandre
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On Wed, 2/21/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 6:39 AM
Hanspeter, I have owned my Amel and been a
member of this group for 11 years and never realized that
this group was strictly a "technical exchange
platform" thanks for enlightening me and the rest of
the group . OOPS , I guess technically , this was was a
technical post. Please disregard , Sorry !
Pat
SM#123
-----Original
Message-----
From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...'
hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it
deliver
Dear Mr. Baileys and Danny
I
don't like that you use this forum as an add and
marketing platform. Insurance are different by
countries.
Mr.
Baileys; you mentioned that we need an avocate at claim? My
question ? who is paying the avocate ?
Looking
forward that this platform remains as a technical exchange
platform
PS: there
are lots of other social platforms to share individuels
needs.
kr
Hanspeter
Tamango
2
SM16; Las
Palmas
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 19.02.2018 um 20:49 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
Hi All,
I received a personal email asking the name of the
insurance company that disappointed us. It was Haven Knox
Johnson, a Lloyds of London Company. The broker was The
Marina Shop of Opua NZ and the Assessor was Steve Lott of
New Zealand.
We have a new Broker, Baileys Insurance brokers of
Auckland NZ, and a new insurer recommended by them. QBE
Marine insurers. Steve Bailey the principal of the company
is a sailor himself. As always until you have a claim you
don't know the quality of the insurer and we have yet to
have a claim under this cover.(and hope we never will)
However we have confidence in our broker.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 17 February 2018 at 07:24
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Hi all,
Further to my below, no one said no so I copy here an
email from my new broker sent after he read some of the
posts.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Hi
all,
I’ve
been reading some of the comments posted by many of you
about pleasure craft insurance policies.
I
feel very sorry for you, and agreed it is not a good
situation at all – but it shouldn’t be that way, and
sounds like you’ve not been getting the right advice or
support here. We always use “agreed value” policies
and they have worked for us and our clients as they should,
many, many times. One just less than a week ago in
fact.
What
you need is an advocate at claim time to ensure the claims
process goes as it should – in addition t
o ensuring your policy is set up correctly. This is where
an experienced Marine Insurance Broker comes in – well, a
good one anyway!
There
are also certain Insurance Companies to avoid out there.
Their policies aren’t worth the paper they are written
on.
Sincere
regards,
Neil
Bailey
Director
Bailey
Insurance Brokers
Auckland
New
Zealand
On 16 February 2018 at 14:27
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
60;
Hi all,
As I said before I was burned badly by an insurance
company. I changed brokers and have a "agreed
value" policy with my new broker.
I forwarded him some of the correspondence because,
firstly I wanted him to know what was going on and secondly
to see what he said regarding my "agreed Value"
policy. He has sent me a response which is helpful. He does
have a good name. Is it OK for me to share his reply with
the group. I'm not trying to promote him, just to add
something that may be helpful.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand
On 16 February 2018 at 06:42
"Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Alexandre,
Trust me, I for one will reread my policy with a more
critical eye. Its disgusting how an insurance company would
look for any excuse , even an invalid one to escape their
responsibly .. I will guarantee that the vast majority of
boaters are not aware of these practices, and believe that
they have an umbrella of protection , that in reality does
not exist. I urge you guys to find a way to tell your story
to a wider audience.
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original
Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:11 a
m
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
Hello Pat,
I totally agree with you Danny.
This is why my lawyer said it was a rip off to start with.
You are paying in good faith a higher premium thinking you
are covered, but you are not.
I URGE everybody to read their insurance policies.
Most of you probably never even receive it (I had to ask
for mine).
I think as a boating community, if we group ourselves we
have a way to make things better.
Example on my insurance policy it says
in case of a name storm approaching you have to:
remove anything that offers wind resistance which is:
bimini, sails, lazy bags, blade of wind turbine, dinghy,
etc. these items must be removed and store inside the boat.
As Rafael tragically find out, this also include barbecues.
That is why they say “anything” even if not listed....
Then it says the boom must be attached to the deck.
Then you have to close all unnecessary sea cock.
Valuable objects such as electronics must be disassembled
and store on land...
Then you have to “triple” the number of normal fenders,
dock lines, etc.
IF YOU FAIL TO DO ANY OF THESE, the policy is canceled.
I really implore Rafael to tell his story…
Last week I met a french guy, so we chat, he used to be
hired by insurance adjuster to find “anything” on a
boat. He said, if there was a fire, the insurance adjuster
would hire him to find any electrical welding (if I u
nderstood properly), as soon as they find 1, even if it is
at the top of the mast, the policy is void and they don’t
reimburse.
He said he was disgusted and like many sailor I met now
simply has liability.
Alexandre
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/15/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:15 AM
The
insurance company based the premiums on the Agreed value
,
and then only will pay out based on what they determine
the
market value is, because they don't want you to be
enriched ! Did they not e
nrich themselves by charging
excessive premiums for coverage they probably never
intended
to honor ? This kind of information needs to get out to
the
entire boating community through the internet and
sailing
magazines . I encourage anyone treated unfairly to
relate
their story , if it results in lost business maybe
they
will get the message. If 10% of those covered by a
company
cancelled and took their business elsewhere and gave the
reason why , it would get their attention. Its sad to lose
a
dream .
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original
Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:34 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owne
rs] Amel owner saying
goodbye
Good morning Danny,
I also have an “agreed” policy (from Helvetia through
de
Lassee), BUT as my lawyer told me, this is a rip off as,
it
is written on the contrat that the insurance has the
right
to challenge the “agreed value” and pay only the
market
value because the owner would “enrich” himself if
case
of a total loss. (meaning that: if you are reimburse the
agreed value, you would “enrich” yourself getting
more
than the market value).
That is what my insurance is doing, so my lawyer ask me
to
compile all the invoices for the last 5 years to prove
that
1) vessel was better equipped justifying the agreed
value,
2) vessel was better maintained (justifying the higher
agreed value) 3) that my expens
es were higher than the
average, etc...
So now I have my own adjuster writing a full report with
all
the details.
We have been working since November on this.
So for anyone thinking they are safely covered with an
“agreed” value, please read your entire policy. If
you
want I can show the specific section where what I just
explained is written. That will be in french in my case.
Sincerely, Alexandre
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/14/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
To: amely
achtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 10:51 PM
I too have been raped by insurers in the past. I now
have a policy with an "agreed Value" . I hope
that
would help in the case of a write off.DannySM
299 Ocean PearlOn 15 February 2018 at 11:19
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Dear Rafael,
I think you need to tell
the Group “your” story about the insu
rance.
We have the same insurance
Helvetia contracted through de Lassee and I really think
every Amel owner should know the ridiculous excuses they
used to remove 30% of the value of your boat.
It is not “my” place to
tell everybody the way they treated “you”, but I
will
write mine with all the details when it will be settled.
I am definitely sorry that
your vessel was destroy soon after you purchased her and
did
not had the joy of sailing her.
Sincerely, Alexandre
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/14/18, rcavie
<no_reply@...>
wrote:
Subject: [Am
el Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Date:
Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 1:57 PM
Dear
friends AMEL ownersProbably this
will be
the last email that I send and I will withdraw from
the group. The reason is that Hurricane
Irma
destroyed my Amel SM2k and it will be
impossible for me to
recover it.The
insurance will only pay a fraction of
what
it would cost me to buy an equal one. Deductibles and
other reasons.This situation not only
destroyed my<
br>
ship but my dreams. My dreams
of living on board with my
wife, my dreams
of crossing the Atlantic to the East, my
dreams of sailing the Mediterranean and perhaps other
seas
and finally returning to the beautiful
South of
Chile.
In this
group I gained friends
and knowledge and
for that, I thank each and every one of
you, especially Eric and Alexandre who from the
beginning
helped me with their advice.
If
you sail to Chile you will have a
friend
here.Greetings to
all
Fair
windsRafaelSM2k
246
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raymarine Ray240 VHF
The amount of power put through an aerial (and coax) makes transmitting incomparable with receiving. The nature of receiving means that you can receive with a poorly-tuned antenna or, often, with just a bit of wire. VHF signals are normally bound by the horizon - if you were able to hear VHF channels at 100's of miles distance then that's caused by unusual atmospheric conditions (e.g. ducting) and I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it. The best thing to do is find a local ham or amateur radio club and ask them to help you test your feed line with their SWR meter. On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:59 PM, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Our VHF has a history of not working for completely inexplicable reasons. It will receive but will not send, even at very close ranges. It will work for a time and then not work for a time. Thank goodness I bought a handheld for a backup.
It doesn't seem like it could be the antenna. We listened to the USCG Charleston SC when we were at the FL/GA border, almost two hundred miles away (they must have a very tall antenna)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver
Thanks Alexandre, we all have our contribution to make. Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 22 February 2018 at 02:14 "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Well said Pat,
And Thanks Danny for taking the time to share your experience with us regarding the insurance.
Sincerely Alexandre
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/21/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 6:39 AM
Hanspeter, I have owned my Amel and been a
member of this group for 11 years and never realized that
this group was strictly a "technical exchange
platform" thanks for enlightening me and the rest of
the group . OOPS , I guess technically , this was was a
technical post. Please disregard , Sorry !
Pat
SM#123
-----Original
Message-----
From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...'
hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it
deliver
Dear Mr. Baileys and Danny
I
don't like that you use this forum as an add and
marketing platform. Insurance are different by
countries.
Mr.
Baileys; you mentioned that we need an avocate at claim? My
question ? who is paying the avocate ?
Looking
forward that this platform remains as a technical exchange
platform
PS: there
are lots of other social platforms to share individuels
needs.
kr
Hanspeter
Tamango
2
SM16; Las
Palmas
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 19.02.2018 um 20:49 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
Hi All,
I received a personal email asking the name of the
insurance company that disappointed us. It was Haven Knox
Johnson, a Lloyds of London Company. The broker was The
Marina Shop of Opua NZ and the Assessor was Steve Lott of
New Zealand.
We have a new Broker, Baileys Insurance brokers of
Auckland NZ, and a new insurer recommended by them. QBE
Marine insurers. Steve Bailey the principal of the company
is a sailor himself. As always until you have a claim you
don't know the quality of the insurer and we have yet to
have a claim under this cover.(and hope we never will)
However we have confidence in our broker.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 17 February 2018 at 07:24
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Hi all,
Further to my below, no one said no so I copy here an
email from my new broker sent after he read some of the
posts.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Hi
all,
I’ve
been reading some of the comments posted by many of you
about pleasure craft insurance policies.
I
feel very sorry for you, and agreed it is not a good
situation at all – but it shouldn’t be that way, and
sounds like you’ve not been getting the right advice or
support here. We always use “agreed value” policies
and they have worked for us and our clients as they should,
many, many times. One just less than a week ago in
fact.
What
you need is an advocate at claim time to ensure the claims
process goes as it should – in addition t
o ensuring your policy is set up correctly. This is where
an experienced Marine Insurance Broker comes in – well, a
good one anyway!
There
are also certain Insurance Companies to avoid out there.
Their policies aren’t worth the paper they are written
on.
Sincere
regards,
Neil
Bailey
Director
Bailey
Insurance Brokers
Auckland
New
Zealand
On 16 February 2018 at 14:27
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
60;
Hi all,
As I said before I was burned badly by an insurance
company. I changed brokers and have a "agreed
value" policy with my new broker.
I forwarded him some of the correspondence because,
firstly I wanted him to know what was going on and secondly
to see what he said regarding my "agreed Value"
policy. He has sent me a response which is helpful. He does
have a good name. Is it OK for me to share his reply with
the group. I'm not trying to promote him, just to add
something that may be helpful.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand
On 16 February 2018 at 06:42
"Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Alexandre,
Trust me, I for one will reread my policy with a more
critical eye. Its disgusting how an insurance company would
look for any excuse , even an invalid one to escape their
responsibly .. I will guarantee that the vast majority of
boaters are not aware of these practices, and believe that
they have an umbrella of protection , that in reality does
not exist. I urge you guys to find a way to tell your story
to a wider audience.
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original
Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:11 a
m
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
Hello Pat,
I totally agree with you Danny.
This is why my lawyer said it was a rip off to start with.
You are paying in good faith a higher premium thinking you
are covered, but you are not.
I URGE everybody to read their insurance policies.
Most of you probably never even receive it (I had to ask
for mine).
I think as a boating community, if we group ourselves we
have a way to make things better.
Example on my insurance policy it says
in case of a name storm approaching you have to:
remove anything that offers wind resistance which is:
bimini, sails, lazy bags, blade of wind turbine, dinghy,
etc. these items must be removed and store inside the boat.
As Rafael tragically find out, this also include barbecues.
That is why they say “anything” even if not listed....
Then it says the boom must be attached to the deck.
Then you have to close all unnecessary sea cock.
Valuable objects such as electronics must be disassembled
and store on land...
Then you have to “triple” the number of normal fenders,
dock lines, etc.
IF YOU FAIL TO DO ANY OF THESE, the policy is canceled.
I really implore Rafael to tell his story…
Last week I met a french guy, so we chat, he used to be
hired by insurance adjuster to find “anything” on a
boat. He said, if there was a fire, the insurance adjuster
would hire him to find any electrical welding (if I u
nderstood properly), as soon as they find 1, even if it is
at the top of the mast, the policy is void and they don’t
reimburse.
He said he was disgusted and like many sailor I met now
simply has liability.
Alexandre
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/15/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:15 AM
The
insurance company based the premiums on the Agreed value
,
and then only will pay out based on what they determine
the
market value is, because they don't want you to be
enriched ! Did they not e
nrich themselves by charging
excessive premiums for coverage they probably never
intended
to honor ? This kind of information needs to get out to
the
entire boating community through the internet and
sailing
magazines . I encourage anyone treated unfairly to
relate
their story , if it results in lost business maybe
they
will get the message. If 10% of those covered by a
company
cancelled and took their business elsewhere and gave the
reason why , it would get their attention. Its sad to lose
a
dream .
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original
Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtown
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:34 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owne
rs] Amel owner saying
goodbye
Good morning Danny,
I also have an “agreed” policy (from Helvetia through
de
Lassee), BUT as my lawyer told me, this is a rip off as,
it
is written on the contrat that the insurance has the
right
to challenge the “agreed value” and pay only the
market
value because the owner would “enrich” himself if
case
of a total loss. (meaning that: if you are reimburse the
agreed value, you would “enrich” yourself getting
more
than the market value).
That is what my insurance is doing, so my lawyer ask me
to
compile all the invoices for the last 5 years to prove
that
1) vessel was better equipped justifying the agreed
value,
2) vessel was better maintained (justifying the higher
agreed value) 3) that my expens
es were higher than the
average, etc...
So now I have my own adjuster writing a full report with
all
the details.
We have been working since November on this.
So for anyone thinking they are safely covered with an
“agreed” value, please read your entire policy. If
you
want I can show the specific section where what I just
explained is written. That will be in french in my case.
Sincerely, Alexandre
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/14/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
To: amely
achtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 10:51 PM
I too have been raped by insurers in the past. I now
have a policy with an "agreed Value" . I hope
that
would help in the case of a write off.DannySM
299 Ocean PearlOn 15 February 2018 at 11:19
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Dear Rafael,
I think you need to tell
the Group “your” story about the insu
rance.
We have the same insurance
Helvetia contracted through de Lassee and I really think
every Amel owner should know the ridiculous excuses they
used to remove 30% of the value of your boat.
It is not “my” place to
tell everybody the way they treated “you”, but I
will
write mine with all the details when it will be settled.
I am definitely sorry that
your vessel was destroy soon after you purchased her and
did
not had the joy of sailing her.
Sincerely, Alexandre
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/14/18, rcavie
<no_reply@...>
wrote:
Subject: [Am
el Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Date:
Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 1:57 PM
Dear
friends AMEL ownersProbably this
will be
the last email that I send and I will withdraw from
the group. The reason is that Hurricane
Irma
destroyed my Amel SM2k and it will be
impossible for me to
recover it.The
insurance will only pay a fraction of
what
it would cost me to buy an equal one. Deductibles and
other reasons.This situation not only
destroyed my<
br>
ship but my dreams. My dreams
of living on board with my
wife, my dreams
of crossing the Atlantic to the East, my
dreams of sailing the Mediterranean and perhaps other
seas
and finally returning to the beautiful
South of
Chile.
In this
group I gained friends
and knowledge and
for that, I thank each and every one of
you, especially Eric and Alexandre who from the
beginning
helped me with their advice.
If
you sail to Chile you will have a
friend
here.Greetings to
all
Fair
windsRafaelSM2k
246
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine Ray240 VHF
Hi Bill, I guess I am a group of 1. In 2001, I talked Jean-Jacques into installing all Raymarine equipment except for the SSB and Weatherfax with navtex.. I believe I created the first Red Line even though my boot stripe was the Amel orange. My Raymarine products have been working perfectly. My VHF has a handset at the nav station and one at the helm. I have had Raymarine ,, Raytheon, Autohelm products on 4 boats now and I am very satisfied with the products and service. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine Ray240 VHF I hate to make this comment, but I have always had bad experience with Raymarine VHF - handheld or standard. They make great autopilots.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
On Feb 21, 2018 17:59, "'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hi Duane, I had a problem like that. I replaced the wire to the masthead and all was well. The range is now much bigger. Maybe that is worth trying for you.. Regards, Miles S/Y Ladybug sm 216 , Port du Marin, Martinique
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor Locker
Good to know. Thanks Vladimir. It seems prudent to keep an eye on the locker and then perform this at any sign it’s not in the best shape.
Cheers,
James.
SeaBean #344
Tahiti, FP
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Yes it will work against gravity because of capillary effect. Water goes up in the trees because of capillary effect. I would roll it with a paint roller. It is very important to dry it well first.
Vladimir
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