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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] finding LED bulbs for overhead lights

Brent Cameron
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] finding LED bulbs for overhead lights

greatketch@...
 

Hi Ryan,

That's an unusual orientation for a G4 mount, and although my fixtures look similar to yours on the outside, the internal details are different.

You might try these bulbs...  they plug in with a wire, so the orientation of the pins isn't an issue....


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Gloucester, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] finding LED bulbs for overhead lights [1 Attachment]

John Clark
 

Hi Ryan,
  I can tell you that I have different fixtures in my 1990 SM.  They are all festoon fittings.

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Cruising Pamlico Sound

On Aug 16, 2017 6:44 PM, "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Ryan Meador included below]

Maybe I'm just missing something, but the offerings on that site look the same as the others I've found, which is to say none will fit my boat.  All of the "side pin" G4 bulbs have the pins in the plane of the disc, and I need them rotated 90 degrees to the plane of the disc (but not back pin, I still want the pins out the side).  Does my Super Maramu have non-standard light fixtures?  I've attached a photo of one, but it's a little difficult to see the orientation of the pins.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Ryan,


Try boatlamps.co.uk… their site has piccies of every LED fixture known.

Good luck.


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 16 Aug 2017, at 19:22, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Hi all,
I'm in the process of converting all the interior lights on my SM to LED.  It was easy to find BA15d LED bulbs for the wall lights, so that's taken care of (though I did break one since the label on the fixture said they're G4, but they're definitely BA15d -- twist, don't pull!).  I'm having a bear of a time finding a bulb that will work in the overhead fixtures though.  They all take G4 bulbs, but the sockets are mounted such that the two pins are vertically aligned.  All the bulbs for this application (example) have pins that are horizontal, so they won't fit.  I have been able to find some LED bulbs that are the same form factor as the original halogens, but they have much lower light output because they're smaller and some of the LEDs are pointing at the ceiling, so I don't want those.  I also haven't had luck finding a 90 degree adapter.  Does anyone have a solution to this problem?  I've seen posts in the archive about people who have changed their lights, but not how they did it.  I thought I should ask before I go creating my own adapters or kludging something together.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, USA





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anemometer stop working

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Good day ! Suggest you contact Myles marine, he carries most spares you need for any B&G unit.
I have had to replace the electric board inside the head unit also the cup unit when the UV destroyed the spinning unit, all obtained from Myles, he posts all over the world.
Hope all is well and you are still sharing the Champagne 
Patrick& Elaine,Caramelle #385.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Down wind sail configuration

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Miles,

Read your manual...it is very straightforward. Let me know if you do not have a manual.


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anemometer stop working

mfmcgovern@...
 

We found that ours was not working when we had her surveyed.  There were two issues:

1.  The bearings were seized in the anemometer

2.  The main connection was corroded and cracked.  Picture attached.  

I asked Bill Rouse about the issue and he sent me the following response:

B&G Wind Speed
If the Wind Speed is inaccurate in light winds and sometimes zero, it is almost always the Wind Speed Sensor Part# 210-10-038 about $150. See attached: 
B&G Masthead Unit 213 exploded view.JPG

If the Wind Speed is zero and the 213 MHU wind cups are turning, it could be lots of things including in the order of probability:
  1. Same part above
  2. PCB inside the 213 MastHead Unit (213MHU) about $150
  3. The 213MHU Mount and the in-mast cable (this is one part) about $300
  4. Incorrect programming of the CPU for the analog repeater gauges (let's talk)
  5. The B&G Hydra 2000 Processor (CPU) only available used about $250
We ended up replacing the entire mast head unit as well as the cable.

Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] finding LED bulbs for overhead lights

Ryan Meador
 

Maybe I'm just missing something, but the offerings on that site look the same as the others I've found, which is to say none will fit my boat.  All of the "side pin" G4 bulbs have the pins in the plane of the disc, and I need them rotated 90 degrees to the plane of the disc (but not back pin, I still want the pins out the side).  Does my Super Maramu have non-standard light fixtures?  I've attached a photo of one, but it's a little difficult to see the orientation of the pins.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ryan,


Try boatlamps.co.uk… their site has piccies of every LED fixture known.

Good luck.


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 16 Aug 2017, at 19:22, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi all,
I'm in the process of converting all the interior lights on my SM to LED.  It was easy to find BA15d LED bulbs for the wall lights, so that's taken care of (though I did break one since the label on the fixture said they're G4, but they're definitely BA15d -- twist, don't pull!).  I'm having a bear of a time finding a bulb that will work in the overhead fixtures though.  They all take G4 bulbs, but the sockets are mounted such that the two pins are vertically aligned.  All the bulbs for this application (example) have pins that are horizontal, so they won't fit.  I have been able to find some LED bulbs that are the same form factor as the original halogens, but they have much lower light output because they're smaller and some of the LEDs are pointing at the ceiling, so I don't want those.  I also haven't had luck finding a 90 degree adapter.  Does anyone have a solution to this problem?  I've seen posts in the archive about people who have changed their lights, but not how they did it.  I thought I should ask before I go creating my own adapters or kludging something together.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, USA





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan starting problem

eric freedman
 

Thanks Willem,

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 4:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan starting problem

 

 

I am referring to the horizontal placed solenoid connected to the red manual stop lever.

 

Regards, Willem


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anemometer stop working

greatketch@...
 

Alexandre,

We have had that problem twice.  In both cases the problem was mechanical, not electrical.  If the wind cups are turning and you are not seeing any reported speed, then your problem is electrical, and different than we have seen...

Once, after we blew out our ballonner we had a few stray threads of nylon wrap themselves around the wind cups.  No mystery what happened there.  Remove threads, and we were back in business

More recently, we have symptoms of the bearing going bad.  Ours hasn't stopped completely yet, but it is showing high start-up friction.  We have the spare unit ready to go, the next time we get weather calm enough to go up the mast.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Gloucester, Mass


---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote :

The Anemometer stop working… Wind speed was showing 0 during the last trip
Has anyone experienced this?
What was the issue and solution?
Thanks in advance

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anemometer stop working

Mark Erdos
 

Alexandre,

 

Are the little cups turning at the top of the mast? If not, you will need to replace the bearings up there.

 

I had a similar issue once. The cups were turning and the display read zero.  I found rebooting solved it.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anemometer stop working

 

 

The Anemometer stop working… Wind speed was showing 0 during the last trip
Has anyone experienced this?
What was the issue and solution?
Thanks in advance

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA


Re: Good Service In Marmaris Turkey

greatketch@...
 

While I was writing that last post I had to stop and convince myself that a course optimized to a point dead upwind would be the same as a course optimized to a point that was, say 25 degrees off the wind.  After drawing a few vector diagrams, I managed to convince myself that the optimization would give the same result to either course. (Note well: convincing myself is NOT the same as a proof. I could be wrong!)

Here is my logic... While sailing up wind I can break my velocity vector into two component vectors:  one straight upwind, and the other perpendicular to that.  Any useful optimization program must maximize the upwind velocity vector and minimize the cross wind vector.  No matter where my destination is in the upwind zone (between the tack angles) the vector perpendicular to the wind is taking me away from where I want to go, so minimizing that is always best.  QED.  (Maybe)

And I definitely hear you about avoiding beating!  We just had an unusually delightful close hauled sail from Bar Harbor to Gloucester, but that is definitely the exception the the rule!  I'd rather wait a week, or sail an extra 1000 miles than spend 3 days beating.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Gloucester, Mass


---In amelyachtowners@..., <svperegrinus@...> wrote :

Bill,

Thanks for the detailed explanation.  My only remaining question is if under "W", the autopilot is trying to optimize VMG to an Apparent Wind Angle AWA of zero, or is it trying to optimize to a shallower angle, say, 10° or 20°.  It seems to me that optimized VMG is not the same to a destination that is {0°, 10°, 20° or 30°} AWA of one's current position.

When under autopilot, we sail in "Wind" mode most of the time by far, so we'll try in the weeks and months ahead to see what we can learn of the VMG algorithm the B&G autopilot uses.  The only problem is that we try and avoid beating like the plague, so it may take a while to accumulate observations on VMG-optimization.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
at anchor, Thermopylae



[Amel Yacht Owners] Anemometer stop working

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

The Anemometer stop working… Wind speed was showing 0 during the last trip
Has anyone experienced this?
What was the issue and solution?
Thanks in advance

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Down wind sail configuration

Ian Park
 

Miles
The ballooner setup is quite unique to AMEL boats. The sail is similar to a cruising chute, the same dimensions as the genoa, but goes up a second luff groove on the genoa furled. It is hoisted by a continuous halliard arrangement that enables the head of the sail to be engaged in the top swivel and the halliard to be completely removed. Thus enables both sails to be reeled simultaneously on the roller or rolled in completely. A third luff groove enables the ballooner to be lowered by hoisting a plastic 'mouse' which releases the ballooner - hence Chris's comment about his fast the sail comes down.

The twin articulated poles again are unique. They are much safer to deploy shorthanded than a spinnaker pole since none of the moving part of the pole is over the deck. The four pole control lines are colour coded individually and marked with the optimum creating off position to facilitate an easy set up prior to unfurling the genoa and then hoisting the ballooner.

All the instructions and diagrams are in the SM owners manual, a copy of which I believe is on file.

Hope this gives a quick overview, but reading the chapter will make more sense.

Good luck

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Down wind sail configuration

greatketch@...
 

You might find this post on my blog useful if you are interested in the mechanics of the downwind rig on an Amel...


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Gloucester, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] finding LED bulbs for overhead lights

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Ryan,

Try boatlamps.co.uk… their site has piccies of every LED fixture known.

Good luck.


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 16 Aug 2017, at 19:22, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
I'm in the process of converting all the interior lights on my SM to LED.  It was easy to find BA15d LED bulbs for the wall lights, so that's taken care of (though I did break one since the label on the fixture said they're G4, but they're definitely BA15d -- twist, don't pull!).  I'm having a bear of a time finding a bulb that will work in the overhead fixtures though.  They all take G4 bulbs, but the sockets are mounted such that the two pins are vertically aligned.  All the bulbs for this application (example) have pins that are horizontal, so they won't fit.  I have been able to find some LED bulbs that are the same form factor as the original halogens, but they have much lower light output because they're smaller and some of the LEDs are pointing at the ceiling, so I don't want those.  I also haven't had luck finding a 90 degree adapter.  Does anyone have a solution to this problem?  I've seen posts in the archive about people who have changed their lights, but not how they did it.  I thought I should ask before I go creating my own adapters or kludging something together.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, USA




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Down wind sail configuration

smiles bernard
 

Thanks greatketch!
Could anyone point me to info about how to set up this downwind ballooned rig?
Does it fly on a removable forestay? In a dyneema luff rope ? Something else ?
I've never heard of a balooner before btw
This is different to a asymmetrical cruising chute right?
Many thanks for any help and advise 
Miles


On 15 Aug 2017, at 21:03, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dave,

My experience with the poles is that the poles are supported by the lines and very little if any force is on the rigging loop.

The loop is used basically to support the pole while you are rigging the lines.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 3:41 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Down wind sail configuration

 

 

Hello All,  

 

Would anyone have any suggestions on how one might obtain a second downwind pole setup for a Santorin?  

Seems unlikely Amel would still carry them but I haven’t checked.  We have one, and I was planning on using a poled out genoa and prevented main for a downwind rig, but with all the praise for the dual headsail setup and hearing how much less roll there is makes me realize I’d like the two. 

 

 Also, does anyone have any concern regarding the wire clamps for the pole support on the shrouds, in that they do seem slightly angulated to the long axis of the wires, thus potentially causing a stress riser or work hardening in this area over time.    Many thanks.     

 

Dave Bruce,  

Liesse SN06

 

 

 

 

 

On Aug 12, 2017, at 12:00 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian
I have decided to desist the temptation of ruining the ballooner! I don't have space to carry an extra sail that I would rarely use. 
Anyway, I can tell just from the look on my Linda's patient face that reads "What are you playing at. Why don't you just put the engine on and get there!!"
Thanks for the confirmation anyway.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96

 


finding LED bulbs for overhead lights

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,
I'm in the process of converting all the interior lights on my SM to LED.  It was easy to find BA15d LED bulbs for the wall lights, so that's taken care of (though I did break one since the label on the fixture said they're G4, but they're definitely BA15d -- twist, don't pull!).  I'm having a bear of a time finding a bulb that will work in the overhead fixtures though.  They all take G4 bulbs, but the sockets are mounted such that the two pins are vertically aligned.  All the bulbs for this application (example) have pins that are horizontal, so they won't fit.  I have been able to find some LED bulbs that are the same form factor as the original halogens, but they have much lower light output because they're smaller and some of the LEDs are pointing at the ceiling, so I don't want those.  I also haven't had luck finding a 90 degree adapter.  Does anyone have a solution to this problem?  I've seen posts in the archive about people who have changed their lights, but not how they did it.  I thought I should ask before I go creating my own adapters or kludging something together.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, USA


Re: Good Service In Marmaris Turkey

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Bill,

Thanks for the detailed explanation.  My only remaining question is if under "W", the autopilot is trying to optimize VMG to an Apparent Wind Angle AWA of zero, or is it trying to optimize to a shallower angle, say, 10° or 20°.  It seems to me that optimized VMG is not the same to a destination that is {0°, 10°, 20° or 30°} AWA of one's current position.

When under autopilot, we sail in "Wind" mode most of the time by far, so we'll try in the weeks and months ahead to see what we can learn of the VMG algorithm the B&G autopilot uses.  The only problem is that we try and avoid beating like the plague, so it may take a while to accumulate observations on VMG-optimization.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
at anchor, Thermopylae



---In amelyachtowners@..., <greatketch@...> wrote :

It definitely works in W(ind) mode.  What it is doing is finding the wind angle that will make the boat reach an imaginary waypoint directly to windward, as fast as possible. The VMG it is optimizing is the VMG to windward, NOT the VMG to the next navigation waypoint.

I know the manual gives very little to this function, but what it says (in total!) is "You can optimize the VMG to the wind. When selected the function will be active for 5-10 minutes after a new wind angle has been set and only when beating."

The assumption here is that if you are beating, then your desired destination must be to windward of your location. It actually doesn't matter for the optimization if that destination is directly to windward, as long as it is somewhere in the cone between the boat's tacking angles.

Note that the optimization in not continuous.  It works until it is finds an optimum that meets its criteria (what ever that is!), and then holds that wind angle.  If conditions change, such as wind strength or wave size, it is a good idea to command the unit to make a small change in course so it re-runs the optimization program.

As I said, I rarely use Wn (Wind Navigation) mode on my system, so I have little experience with how the VMG Optimization function works there, but based on what I understand about the Wn mode works, the VMG function wouldn't actually do anything

The optimized wind angle will always produce a speed through the water a bit slower than you could get if you bore off just a few degrees. Using the simplest possible analysis, if you are sailing 6 knots at a True Wind Angle of 55 degrees, anything better than 5.5 knots will give a better VMG at 49 degrees TWA

I do not know if this function uses only speed through the water and true wind angle for it's calculation, or if it adds in course and speed over ground.  I emailed B&G's tech support asking that question, but never got an answer.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Gloucester, Mass


Re: Good Service In Marmaris Turkey

greatketch@...
 

It definitely works in W(ind) mode.  What it is doing is finding the wind angle that will make the boat reach an imaginary waypoint directly to windward, as fast as possible. The VMG it is optimizing is the VMG to windward, NOT the VMG to the next navigation waypoint.

I know the manual gives very little to this function, but what it says (in total!) is "You can optimize the VMG to the wind. When selected the function will be active for 5-10 minutes after a new wind angle has been set and only when beating."

The assumption here is that if you are beating, then your desired destination must be to windward of your location. It actually doesn't matter for the optimization if that destination is directly to windward, as long as it is somewhere in the cone between the boat's tacking angles.

Note that the optimization in not continuous.  It works until it is finds an optimum that meets its criteria (what ever that is!), and then holds that wind angle.  If conditions change, such as wind strength or wave size, it is a good idea to command the unit to make a small change in course so it re-runs the optimization program.

As I said, I rarely use Wn (Wind Navigation) mode on my system, so I have little experience with how the VMG Optimization function works there, but based on what I understand about the Wn mode works, the VMG function wouldn't actually do anything

The optimized wind angle will always produce a speed through the water a bit slower than you could get if you bore off just a few degrees. Using the simplest possible analysis, if you are sailing 6 knots at a True Wind Angle of 55 degrees, anything better than 5.5 knots will give a better VMG at 49 degrees TWA

I do not know if this function uses only speed through the water and true wind angle for it's calculation, or if it adds in course and speed over ground.  I emailed B&G's tech support asking that question, but never got an answer.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Gloucester, Mass


Re: DC Panel dial and green light in star

rettirc@...
 

Yes I was using the spare halyard to dry the spinnaker, they do come down quickly, very glad it did not go overboard as we were motoring at the time.