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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: AMEL forum response

Mark Erdos
 

We second this. Scott is an excellent resource and very easy to do business with. Unlike Joel, I didn’t get ink pens or key floats. Not sure what I did wrong J But, we still like Scott anyway.

 

We have recommended several people to Scott and every one of them have thanked us for the referral.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 11:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc: 'Stusek, Scott (Pantaenius)'
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: AMEL forum response
Importance: High

 

 

Hello Amel Folks.

I have used Scott Stusek to insure my Amel Boats and have recommended him to my customers with confidence. He has some solid traits to recommend him. He always tells the truth AND the whole story even when it is painful to do so. He knows his company’s policies and can delineate any area of concern in hairsplitting detail if asked to. He always returns phone calls pronto. Other than that…meh.

 

Yes, he buys my loyalty. Got a great big sack of Pantaenius ink pens and key floats. Hanspeter, I’ll send you a couple of each if you send me your address.

 

I’ve been selling boats for over four decades. No other insurance person has earned my respect as well as Scott has. Please read the attachments below for some important information.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: Stusek, Scott (Pantaenius) [mailto:SStusek@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 8:36 AM
To: 'Vela'
Subject: FW: AMEL forum response
Importance: High

 

Joel & Vela,

I saw on the Amel forum where one of our insureds said we are no longer writing or updating current policies for full time south of the Fl/GA line.  This is not true.  We just have some changed requirements such as being able to conform to one of several named tropical storm plans.  We drafted the below email to try and clear up the potential controversy  If you could,  please post it on the Amel forum as its probably inappropriate for me to do so.  You can also say that after discussing with Scott Stusek, an underwriter at Pantaenius America you discovered the following details….  Feel free to call me to discuss beforehand if you would like.

 

Scott Stusek

Pantaenius America, Ltd

443-569-7995

 

Scott, below if the response to be posted on the Amel forum.  It was written assuming Joel will be posting. Please let me know if he has an issue posting it.

 

Pantaenius insured vessels that fall within their current guidelines absolutely have coverage while below 30.5 degrees north latitude if the Cruising Area stated on their declaration pages allows.

With regards to coverage during storm season,  (July 15th through November 1st ) , Pantaenius requires that the vessel be secured per Pantaenius storm requirements. Pantaenius now offers options for insured clients to choose how best to secure their vessel—one of which is to move the vessel out of the path of the storm.

It is important to recognize that Pantaenius America will cover your vessel in the event of a named tropical storm as long as you comply with your stated requirements.  It is also very important to understand that outside of the storm season (again storm season for Pantaenius America is July 15 – November 1st), this storm warranty does NOT apply.  Bottom line: Pantaenius is still offering coverage for Florida and the Caribbean even during storm season.  

 

 

Sincerely,

Janet Bianco | Senior Vice President

Pantaenius America, Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY  10528 | United States of America

Phone: 914-381-2066 |  Fax:  914-381-2052 | www.pantaenius.com

This electronic transmission is strictly confidential and intended solely for the addressee.  It may contain information which is covered by legal, professional or other privilege. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us and delete the received data as soon as possible.
This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses.
Coverage is not considered bound or amended by Pantaenius America until you have received a Binder, Policy, or Endorsement evidencing your request.

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

eric freedman
 

They probably do.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 9:31 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

 

 

I wonder it they make such a housing for the furuno?

 

Sounds like a great solution. 

 

 

 

Porter

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Feb 26, 2018, at 10:01 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I mounted my Raymarine chart plotter at the helm in a Navpod which is VERY water resistant.

I removed it once and the unit looked like new.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 7:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

 

 

Hi Duane

 

Glad to hear you found the cause.

 

Most electronic devices have a water Ingress rating, which means, how much water they can "digest". I have a B&G Zeus 2 at the helm (on the starboard side, behind a window, which can't be opened on the Santorin) and its water Ingress rating is IPX 6 and 7. I dont know what Your Furuno plotter has. But according to the protection it is built one can "stress" it.

 

Here is an IPX list from the web.

 

Best - Daniel

 

IPX0 – This means it’s not water resistant at all. Think of what happens to paper when it gets wet. It’s a mess and your novella is ruined.

IPX1 – This will protect a device from some water drops that are falling vertically on said device. I guess it’s possible for this situation to actually occur but so is winning the lottery. If you or someone you know has won the lottery, sharing is caring.

IPX2 –  This will protect your thingy from some water drops when the device is tilted up to and including 15°. If you have your device at 16°, you are screwed, sorry but there are limits in the world.

IPX3 – Getting better, you can now spray your gear up to 60° from the top of the device. So that’s cool, I guess.

IPX4 – Now we are getting somewhere. This will keep “yo ish chill” from splashing water from any direction. So if you drop some cubes of ice into you scotch and it splashes, there is no need to worry. Well, except for those drops of scotch that didn’t make it into your tummy.

IPX5 – (this is where the super soaker is allowed). Will protect your stuff from water jets at any direction. Spray away kiddo, spray away.

IPX6 – Protects from powerful water jets. So if you modified your super soaker with an air compressor and an aftermarket tip, your stuff is still safe.

Everything after this is now water proof.

IPX7 – Full splashdown accepted captain. If you drop your device in water up to 3 feet (1 meter but this is ‘Merica and we don’t do the metric system. USA USA USA) your device is still going to work.

IPX8 – You can protect your device in water over 3 feet. This is for your stuff at the bottom of a pool, lake, or even a super deep public hot tub. What’s up with that one couple that never gets out of the hot tub?

 

 


Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Alan Leslie
 

The Furuno NavNet2 display unit is IPX5 rated which means that it can withstand 12.5 litres / min for 3 minutes from any direction ...that would seem to be adequate for the helm position.
Clearly your problem was water ingress and probably because the units had been taken apart and miss-assembled, which is hardly the fault of the FURUNO unit.
It's a pity you didn't say from the beginning that they failed because of water ingress.
We wouldn't all have gone off on wild goose chases instead of concentrating on your real question about NMEA2000 etc.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Porter,

I agree with your corrosion x plan. Essential. A boat is a salty moist environment even without direct water access. Every electrical connection throughout the boat should get the treatment. DON'T use the wrong product though, it must be rated for electrical uses. I know of one owner (not Amel) who sprayed the back of his SSB with he wrong stuff and killed it, Having said do it everywhere I confess I have never done either the SSB or VHF. I have done the back of all my instruments.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl 

On 27 February 2018 at 00:58 "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Duane. 

I have a Furuno, same locale. I’ve had some issues too. Not to add fuel to your misery after the fact but corrosion X can help in the future with this. I spray this stuff everywhere and liberally. It really seems to help. Bill R’s great suggestion. 

Also no weather cover on the RS-232. Installed by Pochon in Martinique. I was also disappointed. 

I’ll be in your shoes in time. Sorry you have to deal with that!

Porter
54-152


On Feb 26, 2018, at 4:46 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In fact, Furuno is not "bullet proof".  The old Furuno at the helm was sent in for repair.  Here is there response:


RDP148 S/N 4325-0332    Tested unit, network functions are intermittent.  Inspected the unit and found  data ports 1 & 3 are corroded on the SPU PCB and  Power PCB is water damaged.  Power boards are no longer available for this model; unit is unrepairable.  Would you like to have the unit returned unrepaired at no charge?   

Note the "water damage" item.  This unit was installed by Amel without any kind of weather cover so I expect that it should have been fine in its location.  If you leave the windshield up, and it starts to rain the unit will get somewhat wet.  Even washing the boat carefully some water may splash on the unit.  So getting wet should not have been too much of a problem.  Maybe past owners hosed the unit down while washing the boat.  Definitely not bullet proof.

The replacement unit was from Ebay and had remains of sealant on it where the old weather cover had been removed.  So it was an outdoor unit as well.  

Amazingly enough the refer started to work again shortly after I posted the note.  I used the hi/low speed button and it came on, so maybe that switch is bad.  

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
and sometimes old gear is just about to fail gear...
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Daniel, I love your IPX list. 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 27 February 2018 at 01:27 "danielmfrey63@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Duane

Glad to hear you found the cause.

Most electronic devices have a water Ingress rating, which means, how much water they can "digest". I have a B&G Zeus 2 at the helm (on the starboard side, behind a window, which can't be opened on the Santorin) and its water Ingress rating is IPX 6 and 7. I dont know what Your Furuno plotter has. But according to the protection it is built one can "stress" it.

Here is an IPX list from the web.

Best - Daniel

IPX0 – This means it’s not water resistant at all. Think of what happens to paper when it gets wet. It’s a mess and your novella is ruined.

IPX1 – This will protect a device from some water drops that are falling vertically on said device. I guess it’s possible for this situation to actually occur but so is winning the lottery. If you or someone you know has won the lottery, sharing is caring.

IPX2 –  This will protect your thingy from some water drops when the device is tilted up to and including 15°. If you have your device at 16°, you are screwed, sorry but there are limits in the world.

IPX3 – Getting better, you can now spray your gear up to 60° from the top of the device. So that’s cool, I guess.

IPX4 – Now we are getting somewhere. This will keep “yo ish chill” from splashing water from any direction. So if you drop some cubes of ice into you scotch and it splashes, there is no need to worry. Well, except for those drops of scotch that didn’t make it into your tummy.

IPX5 – (this is where the super soaker is allowed). Will protect your stuff from water jets at any direction. Spray away kiddo, spray away.

IPX6 – Protects from powerful water jets. So if you modified your super soaker with an air compressor and an aftermarket tip, your stuff is still safe.

Everything after this is now water proof.

IPX7 – Full splashdown accepted captain. If you drop your device in water up to 3 feet (1 meter but this is ‘Merica and we don’t do the metric system. USA USA USA) your device is still going to work.

IPX8 – You can protect your device in water over 3 feet. This is for your stuff at the bottom of a pool, lake, or even a super deep public hot tub. What’s up with that one couple that never gets out of the hot tub?


 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: AMEL forum response

Porter McRoberts
 

This is very helpful. Thanks Joel and Scott. 

Porter

54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Feb 26, 2018, at 11:47 AM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Amel Folks.

I have used Scott Stusek to insure my Amel Boats and have recommended him to my customers with confidence. He has some solid traits to recommend him. He always tells the truth AND the whole story even when it is painful to do so. He knows his company’s policies and can delineate any area of concern in hairsplitting detail if asked to. He always returns phone calls pronto. Other than that…meh.

 

Yes, he buys my loyalty. Got a great big sack of Pantaenius ink pens and key floats. Hanspeter, I’ll send you a couple of each if you send me your address.

 

I’ve been selling boats for over four decades. No other insurance person has earned my respect as well as Scott has. Please read the attachments below for some important information.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: Stusek, Scott (Pantaenius) [mailto:SStusek@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 8:36 AM
To: 'Vela' <jfpottercys@...>
Subject: FW: AMEL forum response
Importance: High

 

Joel & Vela,

I saw on the Amel forum where one of our insureds said we are no longer writing or updating current policies for full time south of the Fl/GA line.  This is not true.  We just have some changed requirements such as being able to conform to one of several named tropical storm plans.  We drafted the below email to try and clear up the potential controversy  If you could,  please post it on the Amel forum as its probably inappropriate for me to do so.  You can also say that after discussing with Scott Stusek, an underwriter at Pantaenius America you discovered the following details….  Feel free to call me to discuss beforehand if you would like.

 

Scott Stusek

Pantaenius America, Ltd

443-569-7995

 

Scott, below if the response to be posted on the Amel forum.  It was written assuming Joel will be posting. Please let me know if he has an issue posting it.

 

Pantaenius insured vessels that fall within their current guidelines absolutely have coverage while below 30.5 degrees north latitude if the Cruising Area stated on their declaration pages allows.

With regards to coverage during storm season,  (July 15th through November 1st ) , Pantaenius requires that the vessel be secured per Pantaenius storm requirements. Pantaenius now offers options for insured clients to choose how best to secure their vessel—one of which is to move the vessel out of the path of the storm.

It is important to recognize that Pantaenius America will cover your vessel in the event of a named tropical storm as long as you comply with your stated requirements.  It is also very important to understand that outside of the storm season (again storm season for Pantaenius America is July 15 – November 1st), this storm warranty does NOT apply.  Bottom line: Pantaenius is still offering coverage for Florida and the Caribbean even during storm season.  

 

 

Sincerely,

Janet Bianco | Senior Vice President

Pantaenius America, Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY  10528 | United States of America

Phone: 914-381-2066 |  Fax:  914-381-2052 | www.pantaenius.com

This electronic transmission is strictly confidential and intended solely for the addressee.  It may contain information which is covered by legal, professional or other privilege. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us and delete the received data as soon as possible.
This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses.
Coverage is not considered bound or amended by Pantaenius America until you have received a Binder, Policy, or Endorsement evidencing your request.

 


FW: AMEL forum response

amelforme
 

Hello Amel Folks.

I have used Scott Stusek to insure my Amel Boats and have recommended him to my customers with confidence. He has some solid traits to recommend him. He always tells the truth AND the whole story even when it is painful to do so. He knows his company’s policies and can delineate any area of concern in hairsplitting detail if asked to. He always returns phone calls pronto. Other than that…meh.

 

Yes, he buys my loyalty. Got a great big sack of Pantaenius ink pens and key floats. Hanspeter, I’ll send you a couple of each if you send me your address.

 

I’ve been selling boats for over four decades. No other insurance person has earned my respect as well as Scott has. Please read the attachments below for some important information.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: Stusek, Scott (Pantaenius) [mailto:SStusek@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 8:36 AM
To: 'Vela'
Subject: FW: AMEL forum response
Importance: High

 

Joel & Vela,

I saw on the Amel forum where one of our insureds said we are no longer writing or updating current policies for full time south of the Fl/GA line.  This is not true.  We just have some changed requirements such as being able to conform to one of several named tropical storm plans.  We drafted the below email to try and clear up the potential controversy  If you could,  please post it on the Amel forum as its probably inappropriate for me to do so.  You can also say that after discussing with Scott Stusek, an underwriter at Pantaenius America you discovered the following details….  Feel free to call me to discuss beforehand if you would like.

 

Scott Stusek

Pantaenius America, Ltd

443-569-7995

 

Scott, below if the response to be posted on the Amel forum.  It was written assuming Joel will be posting. Please let me know if he has an issue posting it.

 

Pantaenius insured vessels that fall within their current guidelines absolutely have coverage while below 30.5 degrees north latitude if the Cruising Area stated on their declaration pages allows.

With regards to coverage during storm season,  (July 15th through November 1st ) , Pantaenius requires that the vessel be secured per Pantaenius storm requirements. Pantaenius now offers options for insured clients to choose how best to secure their vessel—one of which is to move the vessel out of the path of the storm.

It is important to recognize that Pantaenius America will cover your vessel in the event of a named tropical storm as long as you comply with your stated requirements.  It is also very important to understand that outside of the storm season (again storm season for Pantaenius America is July 15 – November 1st), this storm warranty does NOT apply.  Bottom line: Pantaenius is still offering coverage for Florida and the Caribbean even during storm season.  

 

 

Sincerely,

Janet Bianco | Senior Vice President

Pantaenius America, Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY  10528 | United States of America

Phone: 914-381-2066 |  Fax:  914-381-2052 | www.pantaenius.com

This electronic transmission is strictly confidential and intended solely for the addressee.  It may contain information which is covered by legal, professional or other privilege. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us and delete the received data as soon as possible.
This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses.
Coverage is not considered bound or amended by Pantaenius America until you have received a Binder, Policy, or Endorsement evidencing your request.

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

We put our new Garmin 7612 in a Navpod at the helm and are happy with it. I wish it had a lower stance and I wish I could adjust the angle of the screen, but I love how protected it is, how much harder it would be to steal it than an open mount, and that I can easily swing it left and right depending upon where I am sitting and viewing it. 

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai


On Feb 26, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I wonder it they make such a housing for the furuno?


Sounds like a great solution. 



Porter
Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Feb 26, 2018, at 10:01 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I mounted my Raymarine chart plotter at the helm in a Navpod which is VERY water resistant.

I removed it once and the unit looked like new.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 7:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

 

 

Hi Duane

 

Glad to hear you found the cause.

 

Most electronic devices have a water Ingress rating, which means, how much water they can "digest". I have a B&G Zeus 2 at the helm (on the starboard side, behind a window, which can't be opened on the Santorin) and its water Ingress rating is IPX 6 and 7. I dont know what Your Furuno plotter has. But according to the protection it is built one can "stress" it.

 

Here is an IPX list from the web.

 

Best - Daniel

 

IPX0 – This means it’s not water resistant at all. Think of what happens to paper when it gets wet. It’s a mess and your novella is ruined.

IPX1 – This will protect a device from some water drops that are falling vertically on said device. I guess it’s possible for this situation to actually occur but so is winning the lottery. If you or someone you know has won the lottery, sharing is caring.

IPX2 –  This will protect your thingy from some water drops when the device is tilted up to and including 15°. If you have your device at 16°, you are screwed, sorry but there are limits in the world.

IPX3 – Getting better, you can now spray your gear up to 60° from the top of the device. So that’s cool, I guess.

IPX4 – Now we are getting somewhere. This will keep “yo ish chill” from splashing water from any direction. So if you drop some cubes of ice into you scotch and it splashes, there is no need to worry. Well, except for those drops of scotch that didn’t make it into your tummy.

IPX5 – (this is where the super soaker is allowed). Will protect your stuff from water jets at any direction. Spray away kiddo, spray away.

IPX6 – Protects from powerful water jets. So if you modified your super soaker with an air compressor and an aftermarket tip, your stuff is still safe.

Everything after this is now water proof.

IPX7 – Full splashdown accepted captain. If you drop your device in water up to 3 feet (1 meter but this is ‘Merica and we don’t do the metric system. USA USA USA) your device is still going to work.

IPX8 – You can protect your device in water over 3 feet. This is for your stuff at the bottom of a pool, lake, or even a super deep public hot tub. What’s up with that one couple that never gets out of the hot tub?

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Porter McRoberts
 

I wonder it they make such a housing for the furuno?

Sounds like a great solution. 



Porter
Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Feb 26, 2018, at 10:01 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I mounted my Raymarine chart plotter at the helm in a Navpod which is VERY water resistant.

I removed it once and the unit looked like new.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 7:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

 

 

Hi Duane

 

Glad to hear you found the cause.

 

Most electronic devices have a water Ingress rating, which means, how much water they can "digest". I have a B&G Zeus 2 at the helm (on the starboard side, behind a window, which can't be opened on the Santorin) and its water Ingress rating is IPX 6 and 7. I dont know what Your Furuno plotter has. But according to the protection it is built one can "stress" it.

 

Here is an IPX list from the web.

 

Best - Daniel

 

IPX0 – This means it’s not water resistant at all. Think of what happens to paper when it gets wet. It’s a mess and your novella is ruined.

IPX1 – This will protect a device from some water drops that are falling vertically on said device. I guess it’s possible for this situation to actually occur but so is winning the lottery. If you or someone you know has won the lottery, sharing is caring.

IPX2 –  This will protect your thingy from some water drops when the device is tilted up to and including 15°. If you have your device at 16°, you are screwed, sorry but there are limits in the world.

IPX3 – Getting better, you can now spray your gear up to 60° from the top of the device. So that’s cool, I guess.

IPX4 – Now we are getting somewhere. This will keep “yo ish chill” from splashing water from any direction. So if you drop some cubes of ice into you scotch and it splashes, there is no need to worry. Well, except for those drops of scotch that didn’t make it into your tummy.

IPX5 – (this is where the super soaker is allowed). Will protect your stuff from water jets at any direction. Spray away kiddo, spray away.

IPX6 – Protects from powerful water jets. So if you modified your super soaker with an air compressor and an aftermarket tip, your stuff is still safe.

Everything after this is now water proof.

IPX7 – Full splashdown accepted captain. If you drop your device in water up to 3 feet (1 meter but this is ‘Merica and we don’t do the metric system. USA USA USA) your device is still going to work.

IPX8 – You can protect your device in water over 3 feet. This is for your stuff at the bottom of a pool, lake, or even a super deep public hot tub. What’s up with that one couple that never gets out of the hot tub?

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Transmission and c drive question please.

Porter McRoberts
 

The fun has just started!  Thank you Craig for confirming my suspicions!!!  I really appreciate you and this group. 
Porter

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Feb 26, 2018, at 10:03 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,

Assuming the 54 is configured like the SM and SN's, no, you'll need to uncouple the engine from the C drive and slide the engine back remove the tranny.  While you could remove the C drive top cover, you still would not be able to remove the drive shaft (still coupled to the tranny) as it goes through the "trumpet" housing. 
Have fun,
Craig Briggs, SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

To get the transmission off the front of the engine.
Can one raise the cap off the c drive?
The c drive gearbox?


Re: Transmission and c drive question please.

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Porter,
Assuming the 54 is configured like the SM and SN's, no, you'll need to uncouple the engine from the C drive and slide the engine back remove the tranny.  While you could remove the C drive top cover, you still would not be able to remove the drive shaft (still coupled to the tranny) as it goes through the "trumpet" housing. 
Have fun,
Craig Briggs, SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <portermcroberts@...> wrote :

To get the transmission off the front of the engine.
Can one raise the cap off the c drive?
The c drive gearbox?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

eric freedman
 

I mounted my Raymarine chart plotter at the helm in a Navpod which is VERY water resistant.

I removed it once and the unit looked like new.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 7:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

 

 

Hi Duane

 

Glad to hear you found the cause.

 

Most electronic devices have a water Ingress rating, which means, how much water they can "digest". I have a B&G Zeus 2 at the helm (on the starboard side, behind a window, which can't be opened on the Santorin) and its water Ingress rating is IPX 6 and 7. I dont know what Your Furuno plotter has. But according to the protection it is built one can "stress" it.

 

Here is an IPX list from the web.

 

Best - Daniel

 

IPX0 – This means it’s not water resistant at all. Think of what happens to paper when it gets wet. It’s a mess and your novella is ruined.

IPX1 – This will protect a device from some water drops that are falling vertically on said device. I guess it’s possible for this situation to actually occur but so is winning the lottery. If you or someone you know has won the lottery, sharing is caring.

IPX2 –  This will protect your thingy from some water drops when the device is tilted up to and including 15°. If you have your device at 16°, you are screwed, sorry but there are limits in the world.

IPX3 – Getting better, you can now spray your gear up to 60° from the top of the device. So that’s cool, I guess.

IPX4 – Now we are getting somewhere. This will keep “yo ish chill” from splashing water from any direction. So if you drop some cubes of ice into you scotch and it splashes, there is no need to worry. Well, except for those drops of scotch that didn’t make it into your tummy.

IPX5 – (this is where the super soaker is allowed). Will protect your stuff from water jets at any direction. Spray away kiddo, spray away.

IPX6 – Protects from powerful water jets. So if you modified your super soaker with an air compressor and an aftermarket tip, your stuff is still safe.

Everything after this is now water proof.

IPX7 – Full splashdown accepted captain. If you drop your device in water up to 3 feet (1 meter but this is ‘Merica and we don’t do the metric system. USA USA USA) your device is still going to work.

IPX8 – You can protect your device in water over 3 feet. This is for your stuff at the bottom of a pool, lake, or even a super deep public hot tub. What’s up with that one couple that never gets out of the hot tub?

 

 


Transmission and c drive question please.

Porter McRoberts
 

To get the transmission off the front of the engine.
Can one raise the cap off the c drive?
The c drive gearbox?





Many thanks

Porter
Amel 54-152 st Thomas


Excuse the errors.
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Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

danielmfrey63@...
 

Hi Duane

Glad to hear you found the cause.

Most electronic devices have a water Ingress rating, which means, how much water they can "digest". I have a B&G Zeus 2 at the helm (on the starboard side, behind a window, which can't be opened on the Santorin) and its water Ingress rating is IPX 6 and 7. I dont know what Your Furuno plotter has. But according to the protection it is built one can "stress" it.

Here is an IPX list from the web.

Best - Daniel

IPX0 – This means it’s not water resistant at all. Think of what happens to paper when it gets wet. It’s a mess and your novella is ruined.

IPX1 – This will protect a device from some water drops that are falling vertically on said device. I guess it’s possible for this situation to actually occur but so is winning the lottery. If you or someone you know has won the lottery, sharing is caring.

IPX2 –  This will protect your thingy from some water drops when the device is tilted up to and including 15°. If you have your device at 16°, you are screwed, sorry but there are limits in the world.

IPX3 – Getting better, you can now spray your gear up to 60° from the top of the device. So that’s cool, I guess.

IPX4 – Now we are getting somewhere. This will keep “yo ish chill” from splashing water from any direction. So if you drop some cubes of ice into you scotch and it splashes, there is no need to worry. Well, except for those drops of scotch that didn’t make it into your tummy.

IPX5 – (this is where the super soaker is allowed). Will protect your stuff from water jets at any direction. Spray away kiddo, spray away.

IPX6 – Protects from powerful water jets. So if you modified your super soaker with an air compressor and an aftermarket tip, your stuff is still safe.

Everything after this is now water proof.

IPX7 – Full splashdown accepted captain. If you drop your device in water up to 3 feet (1 meter but this is ‘Merica and we don’t do the metric system. USA USA USA) your device is still going to work.

IPX8 – You can protect your device in water over 3 feet. This is for your stuff at the bottom of a pool, lake, or even a super deep public hot tub. What’s up with that one couple that never gets out of the hot tub?


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Porter McRoberts
 

Duane. 
I have a Furuno, same locale. I’ve had some issues too. Not to add fuel to your misery after the fact but corrosion X can help in the future with this. I spray this stuff everywhere and liberally. It really seems to help. Bill R’s great suggestion. 

Also no weather cover on the RS-232. Installed by Pochon in Martinique. I was also disappointed. 

I’ll be in your shoes in time. Sorry you have to deal with that!

Porter
54-152


On Feb 26, 2018, at 4:46 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In fact, Furuno is not "bullet proof".  The old Furuno at the helm was sent in for repair.  Here is there response:


RDP148 S/N 4325-0332    Tested unit, network functions are intermittent.  Inspected the unit and found  data ports 1 & 3 are corroded on the SPU PCB and  Power PCB is water damaged.  Power boards are no longer available for this model; unit is unrepairable.  Would you like to have the unit returned unrepaired at no charge?   

Note the "water damage" item.  This unit was installed by Amel without any kind of weather cover so I expect that it should have been fine in its location.  If you leave the windshield up, and it starts to rain the unit will get somewhat wet.  Even washing the boat carefully some water may splash on the unit.  So getting wet should not have been too much of a problem.  Maybe past owners hosed the unit down while washing the boat.  Definitely not bullet proof.

The replacement unit was from Ebay and had remains of sealant on it where the old weather cover had been removed.  So it was an outdoor unit as well.  

Amazingly enough the refer started to work again shortly after I posted the note.  I used the hi/low speed button and it came on, so maybe that switch is bad.  

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
and sometimes old gear is just about to fail gear...
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Duane Siegfri
 

An update on the reefer - it was a loose wire, most likely from the "salty" sailing!

Duane



Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Duane Siegfri
 

In fact, Furuno is not "bullet proof".  The old Furuno at the helm was sent in for repair.  Here is there response:

RDP148 S/N 4325-0332    Tested unit, network functions are intermittent.  Inspected the unit and found  data ports 1 & 3 are corroded on the SPU PCB and  Power PCB is water damaged.  Power boards are no longer available for this model; unit is unrepairable.  Would you like to have the unit returned unrepaired at no charge?   

Note the "water damage" item.  This unit was installed by Amel without any kind of weather cover so I expect that it should have been fine in its location.  If you leave the windshield up, and it starts to rain the unit will get somewhat wet.  Even washing the boat carefully some water may splash on the unit.  So getting wet should not have been too much of a problem.  Maybe past owners hosed the unit down while washing the boat.  Definitely not bullet proof.

The replacement unit was from Ebay and had remains of sealant on it where the old weather cover had been removed.  So it was an outdoor unit as well.  

Amazingly enough the refer started to work again shortly after I posted the note.  I used the hi/low speed button and it came on, so maybe that switch is bad.  

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
and sometimes old gear is just about to fail gear...
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

eric freedman
 

That would also be my guess or “St Elmo’s fire”

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 12:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

 

 

I would guess a nearby lighting strike.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 26, 2018 03:40, "danielmfrey63@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

 

Isn't it a Little bit strange that on the same trip 2 or 3 electronic devices (1 or 2 Plotters and 1 VHF) "die"?

 

I would first look for the reasons why.

 

Maybe something wrong with the electronic circuit?

 

And aren't These devices "protected" by fuses?

 

Have they been checked?

 

Just some thoughts.

 

Best - Daniel

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I would guess a nearby lighting strike.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 26, 2018 03:40, "danielmfrey63@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

Isn't it a Little bit strange that on the same trip 2 or 3 electronic devices (1 or 2 Plotters and 1 VHF) "die"?

I would first look for the reasons why.

Maybe something wrong with the electronic circuit?

And aren't These devices "protected" by fuses?

Have they been checked?

Just some thoughts.

Best - Daniel



Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Alan Leslie
 

Furuno is famous for ruggedness and reliability. Look at fishing boats, what do they have? Furuno.
Elyse has had Furuno plotters since 2004...so that's 14 years...without any problems at all. Seems very odd that you have 2 plotters die in one year, and other problems. Seems to me that it may not be a Furuno problem but a boat wiring problem you have.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437