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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Early Amel in-mast furling (c1985)

James Alton
 

Joel,

   Thank you for the background on the Nirvana spars which indeed are what I have on my Maramu.  Access to spares to me is a critical part of boat ownership, especially if that ownership turns out to be long term.  As I will soon be preparing my boat for some long passages, if you or anyone else familiar with the Nirvana mast furling systems could list some of the typical areas of failure of this system, it would certainly be appreciated so that I can try to obtain or have spares manufactured as indicated.

   I should add that I have been quite pleased with the amount  of support that Amel has given me even though my boat is now 30 + years old. Thanks to your excellent post, I now better understand the reason that Amel has not been able to help me much with spar related inquiries on my non Amel made Nirvana spars.  Can you tell me if any of the Maramu’s had the Amel manufactured spars?

Thanks,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:00 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Can you reference the article you mention as to what publication, when it was published and who wrote it? Thanks in advance.

 

When Amel introduced in the mast furling on the Sharki, Maramu and Mango for the 1985 model year, the spars were built by a Swiss firm, NIRVANA. Unfortunately, NIRVANA  soon went suddenly out of business and Amel had to really scramble to obtain spars for their production. Remember, at this time, every Amel boat was delivered on a specific date specified in the contract which was another one of the unique features that endeared cruises to the Amel brand agreement. No one else did this and Amel was very proud of an absolutely perfect record of delivering every boat they built on time and for the exact price contained in the purchase agreement. After an incredible effort, Amel designed furling gear of their own design for the masts and had  tools made to extrude raw aluminum spars and booms to their exact specifications. These spars were delivered to Amel where the furling systems were installed after the spars were painted by a subcontractor. Rather than buy someone else’s spars, Amel took the path of making their own so they would never be put in a situation where on time delivery of an Amel depended on someone other than themselves.

 

The problem with the NIRVANA built spars is that NIRVANA went back into business under different ownership but they did not offer support for the furling masts thay had built before. Many parts of these NIRVANA spars must be created by talented people if they fail and can be quite costly.

 

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 



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Re: Early Amel in-mast furling (c1985)

jdbedforduk@...
 

Thank you James, that is what I suspected but really wanted confirmation.

From the comments received from yourself and Joel I surmise that the reefing is perfectly reliable but if spares are required then these will require local fabrication as off the shelf spares are not available.

What a wonderful source of help and information this group is!


Re: Early Amel in-mast furling (c1985)

jdbedforduk@...
 

Thank you Joel for a very comprehensive response. The article I am referring to is here > http://www.jordanyachts.com/archives/2948

Many thanks

John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Early Amel in-mast furling (c1985)

James Alton
 

John,

   I have read the same information that you have.  Based on that information, I was fully expecting to find that the in mast furling system on the 1987 Maramu that I purchased in 2016 to have problems or be completely non-functional.  Instead, I am on my second season with Sueño and so far knock on wood, the only issue I have had was a minor amount of oil leakage from the gearbox on the mainmast.  I feel sure that the seals must all be tired so I have been applying a quality Lithium grease to the outside of the seal on a regular basis plus adding covers to shed rain while the boat is in storage.  The gear boxes all seem to still be full of oil.  In addition, I have installed grease fittings and have been pumping in the special white Lithium used in Variprops which I hope will help protect the innards until I can replace the seals.  The motors, switches, relays and wiring have all been perfect thus far, even through one gale.  The system is very powerful.  I have since read that the main should be unloaded before furling but the current system had no trouble reefing the main with 40 knots of wind in it.  While the later Amel furling systems may well be better, I will tell you that I am very very happy with my current system which appears to be completely original.  

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Amel Maramu #220

On Mar 14, 2018, at 2:49 PM, jdbedforduk@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I recently read an American article relating to the original Maramu that said that the original in-mast furling, introduced around 1985, has been troublesome and was originally manufactured by an external supplier. Later, Amel brought production in-house and that solved the issues. I'm not referring to the Bamar system mounted externally at the rear of the mast.


Does the collective mass of experience on here feel this is a true statement and presumably, if true, this also applies to Sharkis of the same period?


Many thanks


John




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Early Amel in-mast furling (c1985)

amelforme
 

Can you reference the article you mention as to what publication, when it was published and who wrote it? Thanks in advance.

 

When Amel introduced in the mast furling on the Sharki, Maramu and Mango for the 1985 model year, the spars were built by a Swiss firm, NIRVANA. Unfortunately, NIRVANA  soon went suddenly out of business and Amel had to really scramble to obtain spars for their production. Remember, at this time, every Amel boat was delivered on a specific date specified in the contract which was another one of the unique features that endeared cruises to the Amel brand agreement. No one else did this and Amel was very proud of an absolutely perfect record of delivering every boat they built on time and for the exact price contained in the purchase agreement. After an incredible effort, Amel designed furling gear of their own design for the masts and had  tools made to extrude raw aluminum spars and booms to their exact specifications. These spars were delivered to Amel where the furling systems were installed after the spars were painted by a subcontractor. Rather than buy someone else’s spars, Amel took the path of making their own so they would never be put in a situation where on time delivery of an Amel depended on someone other than themselves.

 

The problem with the NIRVANA built spars is that NIRVANA went back into business under different ownership but they did not offer support for the furling masts thay had built before. Many parts of these NIRVANA spars must be created by talented people if they fail and can be quite costly.

 

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 



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Early Amel in-mast furling (c1985)

jdbedforduk@...
 

I recently read an American article relating to the original Maramu that said that the original in-mast furling, introduced around 1985, has been troublesome and was originally manufactured by an external supplier. Later, Amel brought production in-house and that solved the issues. I'm not referring to the Bamar system mounted externally at the rear of the mast.


Does the collective mass of experience on here feel this is a true statement and presumably, if true, this also applies to Sharkis of the same period?


Many thanks


John


Placement of EV-1 sensor for Raymarine EV-400 autopilot

SV Perigee
 

Greetings all,


We are supplementing/replacing our existing Raymarine 400(G) autopilot to a Raymarine Evolution (EV-400), re-using the linear drive and rudder reference units.


Basis: improve reliability and redundancy going forward; eliminate some RF interference that the Furuno IF-NMEA-2K2 NMEA 183<->2000 data converter is introducing.  [This converter is used to take wind & nav info off the N2K bus and send it to existing 400G (which can only accept NMEA-183); also takes NMEA-183 heading data from the 400G (fluxgate compas & rate gyro) and puts it onto N2K bus for the chartplotter & radar.]


Does anyone already have the EV-400 with the EV-1 Sensor Core (the white dome thingey that looks a little like the starship enterprise)?  If so, where did you place the EV-1 sensor unit?


Thanks in anticipation,


David

SV Perigee SM#396

On Anchor, Sint Maarten


Amel logo

Patrick McAneny
 

Can anyone give me an estimate of the size , length & height of the Amel logo on the mainsail. I can't find info or a picture of it on the internet to give the sailmaker. Also where it is generally located on the sail .
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


Light wind sail

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!

Any one with experience of the "Cruisers Light Air Sail Solution" CLASS made by Island Planet Sails, Claim to cover wind anges from just below close hauled and to when you can start to use the the twin out pooled genua and balooner. Sounds to good to be true. Would be interesting to hear if anyone had any experience with it

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Airmar DX900 Multilog Sensor

Duane Siegfri
 

My Hydra 2000 is going to the repair shop, and in preparation for bad news, I am looking at the cost of replacing the Hydra with NEMA 2000 compliant equipment.


There has been some discussion on how to replace the sonic speed, especially with the Airmar CS4500 in the existing thru-hull and the Airmar P79 for depth mounted to the hull.  


Airmar also makes the DX900, which will report speed, depth and temperature, and also leeway.  This all-in-one approach interested me, and it is not much more cost than the two instruments combined above.  The DX900 lists at $1,059 compared to a total of $850 for the CS4500 plus the P79.  Plus, the DX900 is N2K compliant, while extra gear would be necessary for the the CS4500 and P79.


One downside seems to be that the DX900 sensor face should not be painted with antifouling.  That seems to be a problem, since you would have to pull the sensor to clean it.  It looks like the electrodes actually protrude slightly below the sensor face into the water, which would be an issue for agressive in-the-water-boat-bottom-cleaners.


Has anyone had experience with the DX900?


Thanks,

Duane




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

pacificcool@...
 

Hi Alexandre,
I am interested in the 58 winch if it's still available.  How much is it?  Are you in St Martin?  I should be there soon.  I am also interested in some of your other parts for sale.  How do I contact you direct?  I'm not too familiar with how t use this Amel site, so a cell number or email address is better.  My email is bill.shaproski@... and cell s  +1-206-375-2787.

Regards,
Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] buying a second hand 1992 SM advise

Stephen Davis
 

Hello Seckin,

We own hull #72 which is a 1992 SM. What is the hull number and name of the boat you are looking at?

Regards,

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii

On Mar 13, 2018, at 02:52, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Seckin Barlas,

 

You should contact a good surveyor (one who knows Amels), depending on where you are would make a difference for recommendations.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] buying a second hand 1992 SM advise

 

 

Dear Friends;

I am new in your group.
I am planning to buy a 1992 Supermaramu from her 2nd owner.

I want to ask to you if you have a check-list for the inspection?
I am a complete beginner for an Amel boat.
And I need your advices.

What are the most important points that I should focus on before buying the boat?
What are the most expensive equipments?

Shortly I need your advices…

My best Regards;
Seckin Barlas


Rental of a SM2K ?

Cathy & Guillaume
 

Dear Amelians,

My wife and I are currently looking to buy an Amel Super Maramu 2000; we looked at a couple in France (where we live) but haven’t found the right one yet, and we are now extending the search. We hope to be part of the Amel community soon…

In case we cannot conclude before the summer, I was wondering if anyone would rent a Super Maramu 2K for the last two weeks of August in the Med. It would be a great way for us to start discovering the world of Amels… Probably a small chance but just trying!...

Many thanks in advance.

Cathy & Guillaume



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: buying a second hand 1992 SM advise

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Definitely recommend Olivier Beaute as a great surveyor. I believe his knowledge is unequaled.
Not knowing Olivier back in 2012, I used Martial Barriel located in Guadeloupe and highly recommend him too.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 3/13/18, mfmcgovern@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: buying a second hand 1992 SM advise
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 7:54 AM


 









Seckin,
After
you've had a look at the boat to make sure that you want
to proceed in the buying process and get a survey, I would
suggest that you contact Olivier Beaute of Atlantic Yacht
Survey to conduct a survey for you.  http://atlanticyachtsurvey.com/;  olivierbeaute
at gmail.com; +33 674 028 243
Search his name on this forum and
you will see his many contributions as well as the glowing
reviews and endorsements.   This is what I wrote about
Olivier on this forum after I purchased my SM:

I have employed Olivier on two
separate occasions to survey two different Super
Maramu's. The first resulted in walking away from a
purchase and the second in a purchase.  I am thrilled with
both outcomes!  Olivier worked for Amel for ~19 years doing
the customer handover and first year support of about 75% of
the Super Maramu's made from Hull #70-ish right up until
the last one Hull #479. If he surveys your Amel, chances are
it is not the first time he has been on it!  And you
don't just get a thorough, detailed inspection, and well
written report with pictures with Olivier's survey
services.  If you attend the survey (and I strongly advise
that you do), you will get an education on the boat and
it's systems from an outstanding teacher.  For my
English speaking friends concerned about communication using
a French speaking surveyor, you do not need to be at all
concerned.
 Olivier's English is excellent. Hire Olivier and you
will not be disappointed regardless of the outcome of the
survey.
Good luck with your
search!
Mark
McGovernSM #440
CaraDeale, MD
USA 

---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com,
<seckinbar@...> wrote :

Dear Friends;



I am new in your group.

I am planning to buy a 1992 Supermaramu from her 2nd
owner.



I want to ask to you if you have a check-list for the
inspection?

I am a complete beginner for an Amel boat.

And I need your advices.



What are the most important points that I should focus on
before buying the boat?

What are the most expensive equipments?



Shortly I need your advices…



My best Regards;

Seckin Barlas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Clogged anchor wash pipe - Barnacle Buster [1 Attachment]

amelforme
 

Standing by

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:30 AM, brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The SDS for Barnacle Buster identifies phosphoric acid as the primary ingredient at 85% at a concentration of 5% - 20%.  I think the rationale for not being specific to try and protect trade secrets.  A similar product is available at home improvement centers as a phosphoric tile and grout cleaner.  Do a little napkin math and adjust the concentration & you could come up with a far less expensive alternate. 

If you do this always add acid to water NOT the other way around.  An exothermic reaction may occur causing a violent reaction if the solution is mixed improperly. 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] buying a second hand 1992 SM advise

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Make sure that you get spair parts of the components that are unique Amel design. Amel does not keep in stock many essential parts. 

Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"

On Mar 13, 2018 04:17, "Seckin Barlas seckinbar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Friends;

I am new in your group.
I am planning to buy a 1992 Supermaramu from her 2nd owner.

I want to ask to you if you have a check-list for the inspection?
I am a complete beginner for an Amel boat.
And I need your advices.

What are the most important points that I should focus on before buying the boat?
What are the most expensive equipments?

Shortly I need your advices…

My best Regards;
Seckin Barlas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Clogged anchor wash pipe - Barnacle Buster

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The SDS for Barnacle Buster identifies phosphoric acid as the primary ingredient at 85% at a concentration of 5% - 20%.  I think the rationale for not being specific to try and protect trade secrets.  A similar product is available at home improvement centers as a phosphoric tile and grout cleaner.  Do a little napkin math and adjust the concentration & you could come up with a far less expensive alternate. 

If you do this always add acid to water NOT the other way around.  An exothermic reaction may occur causing a violent reaction if the solution is mixed improperly. 


Mainsail measurements

Patrick McAneny
 

I am having a new mainsail made and I am going to send my old main to the sailmaker , but I would like to acquire the factory main measurements to confirm that my old sail was produced correctly. I also would like to have the Amel insignia put on it. Does one know where I could find the sail measurements and the size of the Amel insignia ?

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Clogged anchor wash pipe

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Porter,

 

The reason I made an separate circuit is because the water-maker is connected to the sea-chest. I wanted the ability to isolate the Barnacle Buster from this. I flushed the AC units with fresh water after cleaning with BB and then reconnected to the AC seawater pump and sea-chest.  Not sure if I am being over cautious but I didn’t feel like buying new membranes if I made an error.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Clogged anchor wash pipe

 

 

An additional idea. 

I love Barnacle buster. Saved my heat exchanger. I filled the circuit with B.B. and then turned off systems for a few hours. My thought I’d get some litmus paper. Continuous pour into the Seachest and until the ph rises at the circuit exit and then stop..   Mark’s observations are also my own: wow does a lot of junk come out!!!  

 

Mark is obviously more capable and determined than I am with the tubing to complete the circuit. I thinking this might be a cheat. 

 

 

Porter. 

Ibis

54-152

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Mar 13, 2018, at 8:28 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thomas,

 

Barnacle Buster (BB) is good (if you can get it). I am not sure of the main ingredient but I assume it is some type of acid. It works well.

 

I would treat your anchor wash circuit much as I would the AC system. Use a piece of water hose, a bucket and a pump to make a continuous circuit. Put the BB in the bucket and circulate the fluids for a couple of hours. I do this with the AC periodically.

 

While you are cleaning you anchor wash hose, you may as well do the air conditioning system on the same day since you can use the BB again and again.

 

Here are a couple of hints to help. I took an old 50’ water hose and cut it to how I needed it. From the bucket have a piece of hose go to the pump intake. From the pump output, connect to whatever system you are trying to clean. You will need a couple of hose connectors and clamps. At the other end of the system you are cleaning attached the return hose. Circulate the BB back to the bucket but be sure to put some sort of straining devise on the bucket end of the hose so you do not re-circulate the debris. A cheesecloth or fine mesh bag will work well. It is amazing how much crap you will find in the strainer. I let the pump run for at least 3 hours.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 7:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Clogged anchor wash pipe

 

 

Hi all,

 

Today's maintenance monday task was troubleshooting the anchor wash. 

 

It turns out the pipe is clogged. Using the dock mains pressure lets water through but the pump is not beefy enough to do anything useful. Neither is mouth-blowing into the pipe.

 

Any advice on unclogging it? Mechanical or chemical (Barnacle Buster any good?)..

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

Thomas 

GARULFO

Amel 54 #122

Fort de France, Martinique  


buying a second hand 1992 SM advise

Seckin Barlas
 

Dear Friends;

I am new in your group.
I am planning to buy a 1992 Supermaramu from her 2nd owner.

I want to ask to you if you have a check-list for the inspection?
I am a complete beginner for an Amel boat.
And I need your advices.

What are the most important points that I should focus on before buying the boat?
What are the most expensive equipments?

Shortly I need your advices…

My best Regards;
Seckin Barlas