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Re: Auto pilot gear bolt

John Clark
 

Hi Bob, 
   The retaining bolt is on the side of the gear.  It's an Allen head or hex head.  

John

Annie SM 37
Brunswick. GA

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019, 9:13 AM Bob Ross via Groups.Io <tuwhiti=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good day,

On a 2002 SM2K in the autopilot area above the galley sink I think this smaller gear should have a  key retaining bolt or similar in the middle of the shaft.
Having never seen it I am not sure what it looks like nor its dimensions.
Can anyone share a picture of it or any size data?

User question: is this a correct way to share a photo or is there another  preferred way?
Thanks
Bob
SV Nomad #362, Trinidad

Re: Auto pilot gear bolt

 

Bob,

The following was snipped from the Raymarine Installation PDF:
image.png

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bob Ross via Groups.Io <tuwhiti=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good day,

On a 2002 SM2K in the autopilot area above the galley sink I think this smaller gear should have a  key retaining bolt or similar in the middle of the shaft.
Having never seen it I am not sure what it looks like nor its dimensions.
Can anyone share a picture of it or any size data?

User question: is this a correct way to share a photo or is there another  preferred way?
Thanks
Bob
SV Nomad #362, Trinidad

Re: Heaving-to experiences/advice, and Jordan series drogue use

Joerg Esdorn
 

Hi Aldo, we’ve hove to once to fix a staysail sheet which was not holding.  Just had the reefed main up in 35 to 40 knots true.  The boat would lie sideways to the seas and winds and sit very quietly drifting downwind at 2 kn maybe.  Seas were not high west of Gibraltar so that was ok.  In more serious conditions, I would try to bring the bow up more with the mizzen.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, # 53
Vigo, Spain

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Antonio, Vagabundo SN108
 

Hi guys , Hi owners, Hi Thierry and Maud,

I particularly want to write these lines to give the right meaning back to the discussion.  
I will apologize if I am not short, but I humbly believe that I can interpret the thoughts of many owners and friends. 
The ferment that has developed around the theme of ultraflex cables in my opinion is extremely positive and necessary. 
When I bought Vagabundo I was not aware of the existence of this forum, but thanks amel yacht owners forum and thanks Olivier, over the years I managed my boat to back to the right level of maintenance, so that it could finally be a blue Water Cruise again. 
Many owners entrust their dreams and lives to the boats built and designed by Henri AMEL and thanks to the construction quality of the AMEL shipyard, we all sail safely with our boats.
But there is a particularly important aspect that must never be underestimated and it is the age and the obsolescence of a lot of equipments installed on our boats.
There is no anxiety, no fear in this.  
If there were anxiety and fear, none of us would take the sea and only a crowds would leave the land entrusting their lives to a boat that he considers unsafe.
But if there is one thing I learned during my life spent at sea is that the attention to small details often makes the difference between a happy ending and a misfortune.  
Precisely this attention (that is often found in the posts and discussions of this forum that I call the big family AMEL) has given the AMEL boats in the world and on the used market a great reputation.
I am therefore sure that the food for thought that will arise in this group will be an inexhaustible source of information and advice for amel itself so that over the years more safe and reliable boats can be produced like  in the past. 
At the same time it is inevitable to recognize the fact that many boats that sail have reached an age by now and that a lot of equipment needs a thorough maintenance if not a complete replacement. 
It is clear that the goodness of the materials used has permitted that many years have passed since they were assembled on our boats.  During these years many equipment manufacturers have failed, they have closed, they have changed their business, they have passed on to a better life.  
In the future, it will certainly be necessary to find adjustments and solutions to more or less serious problems that will arise.  I personally believe that it is extremely erroneous and dangerous to underestimate the needs of each owner and of each boat that are expressed in this forum.
Therefore, concluding my speech, I am sure that this time too AMEL will demonstrate sensitivity and attention to a problem that has been necessary to resolve.  At the same time I am sure that it is ultra Flex, a company that I know, it will be able to provide all of us and all the owners who want to take action with a safe solution to the problem that we discussed in this forum.
Br and Fair wind
Antonio Martina e Azzurra 
On board in Tuscany 
Vagabundo Santorin number 108


Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 15 nov 2019, alle ore 18:35, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:


To review what I previously wrote: I received an email from Uflex USA, the Ultraflex distributor in the US. Email message to me from Uflex USAUltraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. When one SM owner noticed that the email from Uflex stated only "cables" and not racks, 3 days ago I wrote: "I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, Italy, I cannot know for sure. Since apparently Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel, is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon."

Yesterday Thierry Billard SAV Manager emailed me and said: "We suddenly face with numerous emails and phone calls asking for info or order on pinion and rack of the steering system. We suspect you to have posted an anxiolitic message on the social network about a risk of shortage.  Does it  right ? For your review we are about to receive mid of Décember the first units  of the internal toothed bar that must solve almost all this wear issues .The only obligation will be to dismount the pinion rack case to replace this worn toothed bar. Although your help is greatly appreciatly among the Amel community we request you from now to submit us for pre approval any new further message of this sort or to consult us if more info is needed."

Of course it is not my intention to cause "panic" as Maud wrote. My only intention is to help any of you find the information that you need. But, in my attempt to help several of you, I have irritated two good people at Amel. Possibly they think that I am causing "panic" because they are on the receiving side of the solution to this steering parts issue. I will assure you that all I did is what I challenge myself every day to do...that is is help each of you enjoy your Amel while you own her. I have the utmost respect for Thierry and Maud who always do an amazing job helping owners of Amels.

I CC'd Thierry Billard of this email. He will be able to read this so that there is no misunderstanding. 
--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


Auto pilot gear bolt

Bob Ross
 

Good day,

On a 2002 SM2K in the autopilot area above the galley sink I think this smaller gear should have a  key retaining bolt or similar in the middle of the shaft.
Having never seen it I am not sure what it looks like nor its dimensions.
Can anyone share a picture of it or any size data?

User question: is this a correct way to share a photo or is there another  preferred way?
Thanks
Bob
SV Nomad #362, Trinidad

Re: Windshield and Port Window Update

Charles Bell
 

Hello Jeremy,

Thank you for sharing your source of parts! Thank you for organizing this. 

We are currently refitting of Mango #29. Our dodger is removed and our glass is out, so the timing is perfect and we will join your order.

Are you redoing the deck hatches as well?


Thank you,

Charles
SV Jupiter
Mango #29
@CruisingJupiter - Facebook

new to Amel Owner Group

Volker Hasenauer
 

Hi Everybody,

we just registered a few days ago with the Amel Owners Group and thought its no a bad idea to introduce our self.  

Michaela & myself (Volker) just bought a Amel Santorin from 1990 (SN 027). The boat is currently in Borneo/Malaysia, however we will bring her back to Langkawi/Malaysia soon.

We are long term expats in Malaysia. Our previous boat, a Hans Christian 43, was sold a couple of years ago because work commitment was too high, however now time is "ours" and we plan to explore the Andaman Sea and in future most likely a "bit" further as well with our Amel.

We took the chance to rename the boat, she is now called "Aquamarine"

I started to read with much interest the mails from the group and enjoy the information shared.

Since our Amel is not quite new, I am sure we will have as well "this & that" to share or to ask the group about some advice.

Greetings from Malaysia

Volker & Michaela

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Bob Ross
 

Thank you All for this discussion. Bill as always thank you for your tireless support of the Amel owners community. As a new owner I do not want to think what it would be like without this Group and her members. And as Bill knows I have a lot of questions and clearly some are beginner questions.

We only know the age of our SM2K #362 (2002) but not her miles prior to us. Steering seems fine and we check, adjust, tighten and lubricate as suggested.

First question:
Regarding the new supply of steering cables and racks potentially coming available sometime in December. (great news)
Thinking of getting a complete spare of cables and racks.
Good idea? I'm not a fan of getting the spare when it fails, would rather have the spare secured aboard.  But then again you cannot have an entire spare SM2K on the boat. So some balance must be found. Is it: Critical? Likely to fail? Cost? Age? Heavy/light use? Harsh/gentle environment? Easy/difficult to get?

Second question:
To facilitate a smooth cooperative ordering process with Amel can anyone compile a list of part numbers and descriptions for the system so we can make a concise order with Amel? Apologies if I have missed this information in this thread or a previous thread. Could ask SAV but no doubt they are all pretty busy to be asked to look up all the part numbers, etc. Maybe someone that has ordered the system the past can share?

Kind Regards,
Bob
Nomad SM2K #362 Trinidad

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

ngtnewington Newington
 

Bill,

I have no doubt that you offer a great service to the anglophile Amel owners in particular. You have always been respectful to the Amel brand, indeed supportive.  I am sure that Amel appreciate that, but inevitably on occasion there may be a few tensions and a few toes that get trod upon. This is normal and to be expected and requires diplomacy on all sides. I know that you are sensitive and sensible in this regard. Keep up the good work.
 
 I hope that the spare parts department at Amel is a profit centre and  believe that it is in everyones interest to keep it going. There must be a couple of thousand Amels out there!

All the best

Nick
S/Y Amelia AML 54-019

On 14 Nov 2019, at 14:57, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I posted SM 16 Tamango 2 worn rack photo. This was 29 years old and 50,000 miles. You can see the rack is completely worn out.


--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 7:27 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have a photo of Hanspeter's old steering rack which I will post for him in Photos. His was 29 years old and about 50,000 miles. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 8:54 PM hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Yes this is HP from Tamango 2
I got the chance to order the last piece of Steering material, racks and pinion from SAV. I told that to Bill and SAV will look for new mybe new sources. But; my steereing last for about 50000 nm and 29 years. I did not so much sailing because I was in the med for 20 Years.
the installation took me about 2 hours at Trinidad, with the help of Marc; Dynamic Mec. Chagarumas, Port of Spain
------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Mittwoch, 13. Nov, 2019 um 20:22, CW Bill Rouse schrieb:

Mark,

I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, I cannot know for sure. Since Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:13 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Bill,

Just to clarify, Ultraflex is committing to make one last batch of cables ONLY?  What about the rack and pinion gears?  From reading posts on steering failures on this forum it seems that the racks are prone to failure - even if their failure is preceded, and potentially caused by, cable failures. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA





Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Antonio, Vagabundo SN108
 



Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 15 nov 2019, alle ore 23:10, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> ha scritto:


No worries!  No anxiety here!  You are consistently a source of abundant knowledge and you  help to stimulate very useful questions and discussion.  There's no problem with that.  

James

On Nov 15, 2019 12:35, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
To review what I previously wrote: I received an email from Uflex USA, the Ultraflex distributor in the US. Email message to me from Uflex USAUltraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. When one SM owner noticed that the email from Uflex stated only "cables" and not racks, 3 days ago I wrote: "I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, Italy, I cannot know for sure. Since apparently Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel, is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon."

Yesterday Thierry Billard SAV Manager emailed me and said: "We suddenly face with numerous emails and phone calls asking for info or order on pinion and rack of the steering system. We suspect you to have posted an anxiolitic message on the social network about a risk of shortage.  Does it  right ? For your review we are about to receive mid of Décember the first units  of the internal toothed bar that must solve almost all this wear issues .The only obligation will be to dismount the pinion rack case to replace this worn toothed bar. Although your help is greatly appreciatly among the Amel community we request you from now to submit us for pre approval any new further message of this sort or to consult us if more info is needed."

Of course it is not my intention to cause "panic" as Maud wrote. My only intention is to help any of you find the information that you need. But, in my attempt to help several of you, I have irritated two good people at Amel. Possibly they think that I am causing "panic" because they are on the receiving side of the solution to this steering parts issue. I will assure you that all I did is what I challenge myself every day to do...that is is help each of you enjoy your Amel while you own her. I have the utmost respect for Thierry and Maud who always do an amazing job helping owners of Amels.

I CC'd Thierry Billard of this email. He will be able to read this so that there is no misunderstanding. 
--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   



Re: Lashing the helm on a Super Maramu

rossirossix4
 

Hi Mike and Hannah,
Don't know if this is helpful, but the photos in this link show what Amel provided on some SMs (it is on the original invoice for our SM 429). I am away from our boat re: dimensions, etc.--maybe someone else has one.   Don't know if Maud has these but would be an easy bolt on,  Amel reversed the leather on the device for gripping and it is very tight and tenacious and may prevent the travel that could add to teeth wear.  You can see the design and construction is classic "Amelian" Click on image for larger view  https://www.dropbox.com/sc/jag81gnnw41e8o5/AABXwWbF5T2N5l52d9lQt5GRa

BTW we were at a fuel dock in Italy, stern to stern with a good sized power boat.  Guy departed, evidently at near full throttle and violently slammed our (hearty) rudder to the stop--add that to the never ending procedure list we boaters have!

Cheers, Bob and Suzanne KAIMI

Re: Windshield and Port Window Update

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Actually that's not paint.  Joel Potter posted years ago that it is gel coat in the same color as the dodger. Likely the Captain had a better idea than paint!
Cheers, Craig

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

James Cromie
 

No worries!  No anxiety here!  You are consistently a source of abundant knowledge and you  help to stimulate very useful questions and discussion.  There's no problem with that.  

James

On Nov 15, 2019 12:35, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
To review what I previously wrote: I received an email from Uflex USA, the Ultraflex distributor in the US. Email message to me from Uflex USAUltraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. When one SM owner noticed that the email from Uflex stated only "cables" and not racks, 3 days ago I wrote: "I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, Italy, I cannot know for sure. Since apparently Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel, is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon."

Yesterday Thierry Billard SAV Manager emailed me and said: "We suddenly face with numerous emails and phone calls asking for info or order on pinion and rack of the steering system. We suspect you to have posted an anxiolitic message on the social network about a risk of shortage.  Does it  right ? For your review we are about to receive mid of Décember the first units  of the internal toothed bar that must solve almost all this wear issues .The only obligation will be to dismount the pinion rack case to replace this worn toothed bar. Although your help is greatly appreciatly among the Amel community we request you from now to submit us for pre approval any new further message of this sort or to consult us if more info is needed."

Of course it is not my intention to cause "panic" as Maud wrote. My only intention is to help any of you find the information that you need. But, in my attempt to help several of you, I have irritated two good people at Amel. Possibly they think that I am causing "panic" because they are on the receiving side of the solution to this steering parts issue. I will assure you that all I did is what I challenge myself every day to do...that is is help each of you enjoy your Amel while you own her. I have the utmost respect for Thierry and Maud who always do an amazing job helping owners of Amels.

I CC'd Thierry Billard of this email. He will be able to read this so that there is no misunderstanding. 
--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   



Re: Windshield and Port Window Update

 

You will see part of the original white (about 1.25 inch  or 32mm wide) painted perimeter on the old plexiglass. This is important to paint on the new plexiglass if you want a neat and good looking installation.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 2:31 PM mr_hermanns <jeremy@...> wrote:
Hi All!

I just took part 1 of all her glass to get copied on a CNC at a local industrial plastic supply shop. Also dismantled one portlight apart and getting new lenses (polycarbonate) made and set of spares (3 new, 3 spares). Then attacking the hatches and salon windows tomorrow...

If anyone needs a new windshield / port or hatch glass and wants me to get additional pieces cut lmk - getting it done in Gardena, CA for wholesale prices.

Here is the windshield removed and galley porthole.

-Jer

--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA

Windshield and Port Window Update

mr_hermanns
 

Hi All!

I just took part 1 of all her glass to get copied on a CNC at a local industrial plastic supply shop. Also dismantled one portlight apart and getting new lenses (polycarbonate) made and set of spares (3 new, 3 spares). Then attacking the hatches and salon windows tomorrow...

If anyone needs a new windshield / port or hatch glass and wants me to get additional pieces cut lmk - getting it done in Gardena, CA for wholesale prices.

Here is the windshield removed and galley porthole.

-Jer

--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA

Re: Contract done..boat bought

mr_hermanns
 

Congrats Volker!!! Welcome to the Amel Family ;)
--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA

Lashing the helm on a Super Maramu

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi everyone,

Our 1990 SM23 seems to have no obvious way of securing the helm. I'm curious what others do to lock or lash the helm in a given position - for heaving-to, lying at anchor, sailing to windward, etc.

My options at the moment are securing to the fresh water filler, using the autopilot, or installing some other hardware to do the job. Is it possible the boat wasn't designed with the intention of ever locking the helm? Has anyone else had this issue on their Amel and come up with a good solution?

Thanks,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM23
Tonga

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

No good deed goes unpunished, indeed!  Thanks for continuing to look out for us.  I hope this misunderstanding with Thierry and Maud at Amel is cleared up and that this does not deter you from continuing your efforts.

Mark

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Davi Rozgonyi
 

I just spoke to Maud and she had the same info: it's been blown out of proportion, nobody panic, they're gonna get a new supplier soon. 

Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

 

To review what I previously wrote: I received an email from Uflex USA, the Ultraflex distributor in the US. Email message to me from Uflex USAUltraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. When one SM owner noticed that the email from Uflex stated only "cables" and not racks, 3 days ago I wrote: "I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, Italy, I cannot know for sure. Since apparently Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel, is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon."

Yesterday Thierry Billard SAV Manager emailed me and said: "We suddenly face with numerous emails and phone calls asking for info or order on pinion and rack of the steering system. We suspect you to have posted an anxiolitic message on the social network about a risk of shortage.  Does it  right ? For your review we are about to receive mid of Décember the first units  of the internal toothed bar that must solve almost all this wear issues .The only obligation will be to dismount the pinion rack case to replace this worn toothed bar. Although your help is greatly appreciatly among the Amel community we request you from now to submit us for pre approval any new further message of this sort or to consult us if more info is needed."

Of course it is not my intention to cause "panic" as Maud wrote. My only intention is to help any of you find the information that you need. But, in my attempt to help several of you, I have irritated two good people at Amel. Possibly they think that I am causing "panic" because they are on the receiving side of the solution to this steering parts issue. I will assure you that all I did is what I challenge myself every day to do...that is is help each of you enjoy your Amel while you own her. I have the utmost respect for Thierry and Maud who always do an amazing job helping owners of Amels.

I CC'd Thierry Billard of this email. He will be able to read this so that there is no misunderstanding. 
--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550