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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill level at the moment…

Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine both in Saint Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate Control, then likely will sail back to Saint Maarten.

Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor can be changed…

I have not tried to tap the compressor with a soft mallet, as when it is connected it trips the power. (If I disconnect its harness then the power does not trip).

Have a great trip!

Sincerely Alexandre



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On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM


 









Hi Alexandre,
Continuity means that if you are using a
multimeter set to ohms. If  you touch the two leads
together you read 0 that means there is a very good
connection between the leads that is continuity. If you
have the compressor disconnected  and touch one lead to one
of the two power wires and the case of the compressor on a
shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a short in the
compressor.
 
Climate control only sells parts to the two operations
in St Maarten.The Climma company near the bridge
perma frost has an extremely bad reputation and I have had
experience with them. Enertech also wanted to build me a
new evaporator for one of my freezers for $600-  years ago
and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate control. You
might ask at Budget marine or Island water world for a
recommendation.
 
The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it yourself
installation without almost any modifications to the
system.
If the compressor is shorted it is more economical to
replace the whole unit as it is old and something else might
go bad.
Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft mallet
and then seeing if it will start.
Good luck.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday,
June 28, 2017 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...

> Good afternoon Eric,
>

> I checked the small capacitors as well
as the large ones.
>
> I am not sure what means “measure the
continuity to the
> compressor case”.

> When I plug the air conditioning: it
trips the power.
> If I disconnect the
wires in the harness going to the
>
compressor, then it doesn’t trip.
>

> So by “having a bad compressor”
does it means that I need a new
> one?
Or can it be rebuilt?
>
> According to Climate Control, they are 2
Climma Marine person in
> Sint Maarten,
I will contact them, then likely go back there.
>
> Thanks for the info
on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the
> Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it required
modifications…
>
>
Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
> Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexandre,
> I am leaving the first bridge tomorrow.
> I would check the 3 small capacitors that
run the
> fan.
> I
guess you checked the 2 big ones that work with the
> compressor.
>  
> did you measure the continuity to the
compressor case
> to the power leads of
the compressor?
>  
>
 
> I think you have a bad compressor
and bad fan
> capacitors--remember there
is a time delay.
> If you bring a AC tech
on board I think he will find
> the
same.  The other very obscure possibility is that the
> compressor is out of gas. However that is
something that we
> can not do. The
compressor gas is measured in ounces.
>
 
> Fair Winds,
>
Eric
> Sm 376
>  
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"Alexandre
> Uster von
>
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Good morning Eric,
> >
> > Since you
are
> leaving in a little bit, making it
short:
> > Here is what I did:
> >
>
> > I completely removed the unit (I
will
> make an illustration later
> > on of the
>
removal process).
> >
> > I connected the air conditioning unit
in
> the cockpit to a shore
> > power (this way
>
it won’t trip my boat all the time).
>
>
> Here is what I find out:
> >
> > When I
connect the harness going to the
>
compressor, the power
> > trips
right
> away.
> >
So I disconnected the harness
> going to
the compressor and it did
> > not
> trip.
> > In one of
your email, you
> mention if there is a
short in the
> >
>
compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other
test
>
> > to do?

> >
> > Also,
I did another test (not connecting
> the
compressor harness)
> > but
connecting
> the harness to the fan (and
control), the power
> > did not trip,
but the fan was not turning
> (even
thought I was
> > measuring
> electricity at the fan plug).
> > So looks
> to me
the fan is also dead…
> >
> > Some pictures of the above tests:
> >
>
>
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html
>
> > Thanks again,
> sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > On Wed, 6/28/17,
kimberlite@...
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
Re: [Amel
> Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
Date:
> Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06
AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Alexandre,
>
> I will be at sea either this afternoon
> or
> > tomorrow..
> >
> Please reply to
WB2cwd@....
> >
> Fair winds,
> >
Eric
> >
>
> >
> > -----
> Original
> > Message
-----
> > From: "Alexandre
> >
> Uster von
> >
>
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25
am
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >

> > > Good morning Bill &
> > Eric,
> > >
Thanks
> for your continuous
> > support.
> >
> I will keep you posted of
> >
what I find.
> > >
> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > On Tue, 6/27/17,
> kimberlite@...
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
Subject:
> Re:
> >
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220
Volt
> Panel Fuse &
> > marina
> > >
To:
> >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> Date:
> >
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21
> PM
> > >
> > >

> > >  
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> > Bill,
> > > Cant
> Hurt.
> > >
Eric
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original
> > > Message -----
> >
> > From:
> > "'Bill &
> > > Judy
>
>
> Rouse'
>
> >
> >
>
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
5:58
> pm
> > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
> Owners]
Aft
> > Cabin Air
>
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
>
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> >
> To:
> >
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > >
> > >

> > > > Eric,
> > >
> >
> > > > I would like to test
> > > those capacitors...I think that
they
> might
> >

> > > >
>
charge when
> > >
> >
> > power
> > > goes to the control
> unit. Of
> > course
his problem could be
>
> > > >
>
>
> anything,but I had his exact
problem and
> > > changing out the

> > >
> >
> Compressor
> RUN
> > > Capacitor
>
>
> > > (40uf) solved the
issue.
> > >
>
>
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > On Tue,
> >
Jun 27,
> > > 2017 at 3:30 PM,
> >
>
kimberlite@...
> > >
>
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> Bill,
> > > > > when the
thermostat is in
> the
> > neutral
> >
>
> position there is no AC
> > > >
> going
to
> > > the
>
>
> > > > unit. Thus a bad
capacitor
> > > would not make any
difference.
> > > > >
> > >
> Fair
> > Winds,
> >
>
> > > Eric
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> >
> -----
> > >
Original Message -----
> > > >
> From:
> >
>
>
> > "'Bill & Judy
> Rouse'
> >
yahoogroups@...
> > >
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
>
> >
> >
Date:
> > >
>
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> >
>
> > >
>
> > Subject:
> > Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> Conditioning
> > >
> >
> > > Tripping 220
> > > >
>
>
> > > Volt Panel
> > Fuse & marina
> >
> > > >
To:
> > >
>
>
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > I
> >
> > think Eric is right and I think
> >
> that the first
thing I
> > > would
> > > > > > do is
> > >
> > >
> >
> replace the two capacitors
I
> > >
>
mentioned earlier.
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > Best,
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > Bill Rouse
>
> > > >
> >
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
>
11:30
> > AM,
>
> >
> kimberlite@...
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
>
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre,
> > > > > >
> with the switch
> In
> > neutral
> >
>
> position the AC unit is off.
> > I
> > > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > would suspect a
> > > > > > >
> > > short in the wiring somewhere.
it
> could be
> >
anywhere.
> >
>
> > > > > Good
> >
luck,
> > > > > > >
Eric
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > ----- Original
>
> Message
> > > -----
> > >
> >
> > > > > From:
> > > "Alexandre
> >
> Uster von Baar
uster@...
> >
> >
> > > >
>
> [amelyachtowners]">
> > > Date:
>
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin
> > > Air Conditioning
> > > >
> >
> >
> Tripping
>
> > 220
> >
>
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> > > & marina
> >
> > >
> > > > > To:
> > >
> >
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
>
> >
> >
forward air conditioning without
>
problem.
> > > > > >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > > >
> > > As Eric
ask, I
> switch on the Aft Air
> > > Conditioning
> with the
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > switch in
> > neutral position (neither cold not
hot)
> and
> > >

> > >
> >
right away
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> the Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trip
> > > (as well

> > >
> >
as
> > the
> >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
marina).
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
What
> does that tell you?
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> > >
>
>
> >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > On
Tue,
> > 6/27/17,
>
> >
> kimberlite@...
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> wrote:
> >
>
> > > > > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
> Aft
> > > Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
Tripping
> 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> > >
>
> > > > > To:
> >
>
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017,
9:10
> AM
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> >
Alexandre,
> >
>
> > > > > >
> >
there is
> a switch and
> > > thermostat by
> > each AC unit. when
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > the
> switch is in neutral
>
> position does
> the
> > > breaker still
> > > > > > > >
trip?
> > > if not does it trip
when the switch
> is in
> > the heat
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> position?
> > > > > > > >
> To
> > discharge
the
> >
> >
capacitor take a wire
> > with
> insulated
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
alligator clips
> put
> > one clip on the body
> > > of the pump or
> >
> case
> > > > > > > >
> > > and the other clip to a lug of
the
> > capacitor.
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > Fair winds,
> > > > > > > >
> > Eric
> > >
> >
> > > > -----
> > Original
>
Message
> > > -----
> >
> > > >
> > > From:
> >
> > "Alexandre Uster von
> > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > Baar uster@...
> > >
> >
> [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017
> > 7:55
>
am
> > > > > > >
>
> > Subject: Re: [Amel
> >
> > Yacht
Owners] Aft
> > Cabin Air
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> >
Panel Fuse &
> > >
> marina
> > > >
> > > >
> To:
> > >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > Good
morning
> John, Mark,
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
Eric and
> Francisco and thank you for
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > your replies,
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > Based on what
> > you
> > >
wrote, I suspect a short and a
> >
dead
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > compressor…
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > Going to test the Capacitors,
but how to
> > > > > >
> >
> “discharge
> > them”
> >
> prior
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > to
> > > testing?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
Eric, I
> > did
>
> > not
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> really
> > > understand
the:
> >
> “if
the AC switch is off
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > at the
> thermostat
> > >
> >
> does it still trip the
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > breaker?”
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Thanks in
advance,
> > > sincerely,
> >
> Alexandre
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > >
On
> Mon,
> >
6/26/17,
> > >
>
kimberlite@...
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> >
> >
>
> > >
>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> > Subject:
> > > Re:
> > > > > > > >
[Amel
> Yacht
> >
> Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel
Fuse &
> >
>
> > > > > > marina
>
>
> > > > > > > >
To:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > Date:
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > Monday,
> June 26, 2017, 9:24
>
> PM
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Alexandre.
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > if the AC
> switch
> > > is
off at the
> > thermostat
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > does it
> still
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > trip
> the
> > breaker?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > The
> breaker on the AC panel side
> > is a
> > >
> > > > > quick
> >
blow
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> circuit breaker,
> > > If
there is
> > >
>
> > > > > a short
> >
>
> it will
> >
> > >
> > > > > >
trip
> > > before the
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > diruptor.
> If the AC is on at the
> > > >
>
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > thermostat and
> the circuit still trips the
> > breaker,
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
Check the
> > >
> continuity of the compressor
> > to
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
ground. If
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> there is a short to
> >
> ground
> > > >
> > > >
> the
> > compressor is
>
>
> > dead.
>
> > > > > >
> > >
Fair
> > > Winds,
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Eric
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
sm 376
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > -----
>
Original
> > > > > >
>
> >
> >
> Message -----
> > > > >
> >
> > > > From:
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> "Alexandre
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
Uster von
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Baar
> > >
>
uster@...
> >
> [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > >
>
>
> > > > > Date:
Monday,
> > > June 26,
> > 2017
> 5:19 pm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > Subject: [Amel
Yacht
> Owners] Aft
>
> Cabin
> >
>
> > > > > > Air
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > > > >
> > > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> To:
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
Good
> afternoon,
>
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> > > > > >
> > > Today, I hear
> >
> the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > fuse of the 220 Volt
Panel
> tripping
>
> (the
> > >
> > > > > > one
> > > >
> >
> > > > > behind
> >
> the
> > >
panel).
> >
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > I
> > >
> > >
> > > > found out
> >
> > the
> > >
> > >
> > > > fuse of
the
> >
> >
marina also
> > trip.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > After running
> >
> tests,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > the cause is the
Aft
> Cabin
> >
Air
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> Conditioning
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > (which I
> > > have been
>
> >
> > > > > >
using non
> > >
> stop for 9
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > days).
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > Running
>
> > > > > > > >
>
> the salon does
> > >
> not trip anything.
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > What could
> > > >
> > > > be the
> > >
cause?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How to
> >
> diagnostic
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > and
solve the issue?
> > >
> > > > >
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > Did I use too much
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> the
> air conditioning?
> > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > How come the
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > > Diruptor
> > did not
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > trip, but the
> 220 Volt Panel did?
>
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > How come I trip the
> marina
> > fuse?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > > Thanks in
> advance.
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > >
>
Sincerely,
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
Alexandre
> > > > > > >
>
> > > SM2K
> > #289
> > >
NIKIMAT
> > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > Port de
> >
> Gustavia,
Saint
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Barthélémy,
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > FWI
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> >


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

That would be wonderful if I could only need a new compressor!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 4:50 PM


 









Alex,
Smart move. You have done all you
can do...now it is time for a Climma Tech.
Good luck, even if the compressor
needs replacing, it will be less than $1,000.
Best,
CW Bill RouseAdmiral,
Texas Navy Commander EmeritusAmel
School www.amelschool.com 720
Winnie StGalveston Island,
TX77550+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at
4:11 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good afternoon Bill,



Coastal Climate Control just told me a replacement unit is
$3,455.34 plus the Vega MK3 display. $279.78, plus shipping
to me. Then also won’t arrive before september.



I totally agree a smaller unit would be adequate. I ask
Coastal Climate Control about these.

But first might go back to Sint Maarten to have a real
specialist checking the unit.



Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



------------------------------ --------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma
Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com>

Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:42 PM





 



















Alex,

Since that is the aft cabin, you can

probably get by with a smaller Climma Compact unit, maybe
as

low as 6,000 BTU.

Write Coastal Climate Control

<info"at"coastalclimatecontrol
.com>

Best,



CW

Bill RouseAdmiral, Texas

NavyCommander

EmeritusAmel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie
StGalveston Island, TX

77550+1(832)
380-4970







On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at

12:13 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com>

wrote:































 



















Good afternoon,







Looks like I will have to replace my air conditioning
Climma

Marine Compact 9 EH







I would prefer to stay with Climma Marine as it is the

original equipment.







Has anyone purchase the newer Climma Marine unit? From

where and how much?







Thanks in advance.







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI


Re :[Amel Yacht Owners] Switches in the walk-through on a Maramu [3 Attachments]

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Good day to you
top red is switch for the bow thruster
Roll foc is jib furler motor
Charge position is for use when charging service batteries on shore power
Normal position is for use when starting engine on starter bank
Secours is both banks together when starter batteries are failing
big black handle should be for cutting off negative on both batteries banks. Use only when leaving boat for long spells ashore (or as on Desirade, when left afloat for long period, powered on separate power from solar panels).
I have on board the original manual written by Amel for the Maramu nbr 116, can scan or translate parts (the way it was written by designer) if wishing to.
fair winds

christian alby, Desirade VIII, Maramu nbr 116 now in Canet roussillon

Le Mer j Juin PM à 17:26, jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]
a écrit :
 
[Attachment(s) from jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Hi all.


We're making slow but steady progress toward launching Lark at the end storm season.  Would anyone be able to shed some light on the function of these switches in the walk-through on this old girl? 


I think the top red one might be for the bow thruster?  The strange thing is that the back side of it has not just 1 red and black wire coming out of it, but 2 each.  Not sure what that's about.


I guess the ROLL-FOC must be the jib furler, and the RADIO must be the old SSB radio-telephone.


What is function of the large switch in the middle (labeled NORMAL, CHARGE, SECOURS)? Does it switch between the house and starter banks?  As in CHARGE would be the starter bank, NORMAL would be the house bank, and SECOURS would be both?  


What about the big black handle?  I have no idea what that's for.


Apologies for the n00b questions, and thanks for any input!


Jacob Champness

Lark, Maramu #202

St Martin




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Fan for Cabin - Opinions?

Brent Cameron
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Switches in the walk-through on a Maramu [3 Attachments]

Jacob Champness
 

Thanks Olivier!  

So what effect should it have to turn the black one?  It doesn't seem to have any effect at all.

I didn't even notice that the switch in the middle had a fourth label, but sure enough, there it is: "ARRETE."  And sure enough it does cut all 12v power in the boat.  

You're correct, the 6 batteries are wired together in one bank as of now.  I have replaced the batteries but have not yet altered any of the wiring.  So with them wired together, are CHARGE and SECOURS effectively all the same thing?  

On that topic, I'm thinking of keep the 6 together as a larger house bank and adding a new starter battery, for which I'd add a new box in the forward, starboard corner of the engine compartment.  Would you see any issue with that?  

All the best, 
Jacob Champness
Lark, Maramu #202
St Martin



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Smart move. You have done all you can do...now it is time for a Climma Tech.

Good luck, even if the compressor needs replacing, it will be less than $1,000.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy 
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX
77550+1(832) 380-4970




On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good afternoon Bill,

Coastal Climate Control just told me a replacement unit is $3,455.34 plus the Vega MK3 display. $279.78, plus shipping to me. Then also won’t arrive before september.

I totally agree a smaller unit would be adequate. I ask Coastal Climate Control about these.
But first might go back to Sint Maarten to have a real specialist checking the unit.

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 6/28/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:42 PM


 









Alex,
Since that is the aft cabin, you can
probably get by with a smaller Climma Compact unit, maybe as
low as 6,000 BTU.
Write Coastal Climate Control
coastalclimatecontrol.com>
Best,

CW
Bill RouseAdmiral, Texas
NavyCommander
EmeritusAmel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie StGalveston Island, TX
77550+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at
12:13 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Good afternoon,



Looks like I will have to replace my air conditioning Climma
Marine Compact 9 EH



I would prefer to stay with Climma Marine as it is the
original equipment.



Has anyone purchase the newer Climma Marine unit? From
where and how much?



Thanks in advance.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Bill,

Coastal Climate Control just told me a replacement unit is $3,455.34 plus the Vega MK3 display. $279.78, plus shipping to me. Then also won’t arrive before september.

I totally agree a smaller unit would be adequate. I ask Coastal Climate Control about these.
But first might go back to Sint Maarten to have a real specialist checking the unit.

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:42 PM


 









Alex,
Since that is the aft cabin, you can
probably get by with a smaller Climma Compact unit, maybe as
low as 6,000 BTU.
Write Coastal Climate Control
<info"at"coastalclimatecontrol.com>
Best,

CW
Bill RouseAdmiral, Texas
NavyCommander
EmeritusAmel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie StGalveston Island, TX
77550+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at
12:13 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good afternoon,



Looks like I will have to replace my air conditioning Climma
Marine Compact 9 EH



I would prefer to stay with Climma Marine as it is the
original equipment.



Has anyone purchase the newer Climma Marine unit? From
where and how much?



Thanks in advance.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Eric,

I checked the small capacitors as well as the large ones.

I am not sure what means “measure the continuity to the compressor case”.
When I plug the air conditioning: it trips the power.
If I disconnect the wires in the harness going to the compressor, then it doesn’t trip.

So by “having a bad compressor” does it means that I need a new one? Or can it be rebuilt?

According to Climate Control, they are 2 Climma Marine person in Sint Maarten, I will contact them, then likely go back there.

Thanks for the info on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it required modifications…

Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM


 









Alexandre,
I am leaving the first bridge tomorrow.
I would check the 3 small capacitors that run the
fan.
I guess you checked the 2 big ones that work with the
compressor.
 
did you measure the continuity to the compressor case
to the power leads of the compressor?
 
 
I think you have a bad compressor and bad fan
capacitors--remember there is a time delay.
If you bring a AC tech on board I think he will find
the same.  The other very obscure possibility is that the
compressor is out of gas. However that is something that we
can not do. The compressor gas is measured in ounces.
 
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376
 

----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Good morning Eric,
>
> Since you are
leaving in a little bit, making it short:
> Here is what I did:
>

> I completely removed the unit (I will
make an illustration later
> on of the
removal process).
>
> I connected the air conditioning unit in
the cockpit to a shore
> power (this way
it won’t trip my boat all the time).
>
Here is what I find out:
>
> When I connect the harness going to the
compressor, the power
> trips right
away.
> So I disconnected the harness
going to the compressor and it did
> not
trip.
> In one of your email, you
mention if there is a short in the
>
compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other test

> to do?
>
> Also, I did another test (not connecting
the compressor harness)
> but connecting
the harness to the fan (and control), the power
> did not trip, but the fan was not turning
(even thought I was
> measuring
electricity at the fan plug).
> So looks
to me the fan is also dead…
>
> Some pictures of the above tests:
>
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html
>
> Thanks again,
sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
> Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Alexandre,
> I will be at sea either this afternoon
or
> tomorrow..
>
Please reply to WB2cwd@....
>
Fair winds,
> Eric
>

>
> -----
Original
> Message -----
> From: "Alexandre
>
Uster von
>
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Good morning Bill &
> Eric,
> > Thanks
for your continuous
> support.
> > I will keep you posted of
> what I find.
> >
Sincerely, Alexandre
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > On Tue, 6/27/17,
kimberlite@...
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
Re:
> [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
Date:
> Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21
PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> > Cant
Hurt.
> > Eric
>
>
> > ----- Original
> > Message -----
>
> From:
> "'Bill &
> > Judy
>
Rouse'
> >
>
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58
pm
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> >
> >
> > > Eric,
> >
>
> > > I would like to test
> > those capacitors...I think that they
might
>
> > >
charge when
> >
>
> power
> > goes to the control
unit. Of
> course his problem could be

> > >
>
anything,but I had his exact problem and
> > changing out the
> >
> > Compressor
RUN
> > Capacitor
>
> > (40uf) solved the issue.
> >
>
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >

> > >
> >
> On Tue,
> Jun 27,
> > 2017 at 3:30 PM,
>
kimberlite@...
> > >
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > > > Bill,
> > > > when the thermostat is in
the
> neutral
> >
position there is no AC
> > >
going to
> > the
>
> > > unit. Thus a bad capacitor
> > would not make any difference.
> > > >
> >
Fair
> Winds,
> >
> > Eric
> > > >
> > > >
>
-----
> > Original Message -----
> > > > From:
>
>
> "'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
> yahoogroups@...
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
>
> Date:
> >
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> >
> >
> > Subject:
> Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> >
>
> > Tripping 220
> > >
>
> > Volt Panel
> Fuse & marina
>
> > > To:
> >
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > > >
> >
> >
> > I
>
> think Eric is right and I think
>
that the first thing I
> > would
> > > > > do is
> >
> > > >
replace the two capacitors I
> >
mentioned earlier.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > Best,
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > Bill Rouse
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
11:30
> AM,
> >
kimberlite@...
> > > >
>
> >
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > Alexandre,
> > > > > > with the switch
In
> neutral
> >
position the AC unit is off.
> I
> > > >
> >
>
> would suspect a
> > > > > >
> > short in the wiring somewhere. it
could be
> anywhere.
>
> > > > > Good
> luck,
> > > > > > Eric
> > >
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> ----- Original
> Message
> > -----
> >
>
> > > > From:
> > "Alexandre
>
Uster von Baar uster@...
>
>
> > > >
[amelyachtowners]">
> > Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
>
> > > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
> > Air Conditioning
> > >
> > >
Tripping
> > 220
>
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> > & marina
>
> >
> > > > To:
> >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
>
> forward air conditioning without
problem.
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > As Eric ask, I
switch on the Aft Air
> > Conditioning
with the
> >
> >
> > >
> > > switch in
> neutral position (neither cold not hot)
and
> >
> >
> right away
> > > >
> > > >
> >
the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip
> > (as well
> >
> as
> the
> >
>
> > > >
> > > marina).
>
> > > >
> > > > What
does that tell you?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > On Tue,
> 6/27/17,
> >
kimberlite@...
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft
> > Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > > >
> >
> > Tripping
220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> >
> > > > > To:
> >
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> >
> > > >
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10
AM
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > > >
>
> Alexandre,
>
> > > > > >
> there is
a switch and
> > thermostat by
> each AC unit. when
>
> > >
> > > > > the
switch is in neutral
> position does
the
> > breaker still
> > > > > > > trip?
> > if not does it trip when the switch
is in
> the heat
>
> > > > > >
>
position?
> > > > > > >
To
> discharge the
>
> capacitor take a wire
> with
insulated
> > >
> > > > > > alligator clips
put
> one clip on the body
> > of the pump or
>
case
> > > > > > >
> > and the other clip to a lug of the
> capacitor.
> > >
> > > >
> Fair winds,
> > > > > > >
> Eric
> > > >
> > > -----
> Original
Message
> > -----
>
> > > > > > From:
>
> "Alexandre Uster von
> >
> > >
> > >
> > Baar uster@...
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
> 7:55
am
> > > > > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel
>
> Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air
> > > > >
>
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> Panel Fuse &
> >
marina
> > > > > > >
To:
> >
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > Good morning
John, Mark,
> > > > > >
> >
> > Eric and
Francisco and thank you for
> > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > your replies,
> > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > Based on what
> you
> > wrote, I suspect a short and a
> dead
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > compressor…
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > > > > >
“discharge
> them”
> > prior
> >
>
> > > > > > to
> > testing?
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > Eric, I
> did
> > not
> > >
>
> > > > really
> > understand the:
>
“if the AC switch is off
> > >
>
> > > > > at the
thermostat
> >
>
does it still trip the
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> breaker?”
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> Thanks in advance,
> > sincerely,
>
Alexandre
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > On
Mon,
> 6/26/17,
> >
kimberlite@...
> > > >
> >
> >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > Subject:
> > Re:
> > > > > > > [Amel
Yacht
> > Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
>
> > > > > > marina
>
> > > > > > > To:
>
> > > > > >
> >
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > Date:
> >
> > >
> > > > Monday,
June 26, 2017, 9:24
> PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> Alexandre.
> > >
> > > >
> > if the AC
switch
> > is off at the
> thermostat
> > >
> > >
> > > does it
still
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > trip
the
> breaker?
> >
> > > >
> > > > The
breaker on the AC panel side
> is a
> > > > > > > quick
> blow
> > > >
> > > >
> circuit breaker,
> > If there is
> >
> > > > > a short
> >
it will
> > > >
> > > > > trip
> > before the
> >
> > > > >
> > diruptor.
If the AC is on at the
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > thermostat and
the circuit still trips the
> breaker,
> > > > > > > >
> Check the
> >
continuity of the compressor
> to
> > > >
> >
>
> > > ground. If
> > > > >
>
> > > > there is a short to
>
ground
> > > > > > >
the
> compressor is
>
> dead.
> > > > > >
> > Fair
> > Winds,
> > > > >
>
> > > Eric
> > > > >
>
> > > sm 376
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> -----
Original
> > > > > >
>
> > Message -----
> > > > > >
> > > From:
> >
> > > >
> >
"Alexandre
> > > > >
> > > > Uster von
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> Baar
> >
uster@...
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> > > > Date: Monday,
> > June 26,
> 2017
5:19 pm
> > > > > >
> > > > Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
> Cabin
>
> > > > > > Air
> >
> > > > > >
>
Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > > >
> > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > >
> >
> > > To:
> > > > > >
> >
> >
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Good
afternoon,
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> > Today, I hear
>
the
> > > > > > >
> > > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel
tripping
> (the
> >
> > > > > one
> > >
> > > > > > behind
>
the
> > panel).
>
> >
> > > > > >
>
> > I
> >
> > > > > > found out
>
> the
> > > > >
> > > fuse of the
>
> marina also
> trip.
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > After running
>
tests,
> > > > > >
> > > > the cause is the Aft
Cabin
> Air
> >
> > > > >
>
Conditioning
> > > > > >
>
> > > (which I
> > have been
> >
> > > > > using non
> >
stop for 9
> > > >
> > > > >
>
> days).
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> Running
> > > > > > > >
> the salon does
> >
not trip anything.
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > What could
> > > > > > > be the
> > cause?
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> > How to
>
diagnostic
> > > > > >
>
> > and solve the issue?
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > Did I use too much
> > > > > >
> >
> > > the
air conditioning?
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
>
> > > How come the
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > Diruptor
> did not
> > >
> > >
> > > trip, but the
220 Volt Panel did?
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > How come I trip the
marina
> fuse?
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > Thanks in
advance.
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
Sincerely,
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre
> > > > > > >
> > SM2K
> #289
> > NIKIMAT
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> > Port de
>
Gustavia, Saint
> > > > >
>
> > > Barthélémy,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > FWI
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Switches in the walk-through on a Maramu [3 Attachments]

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Jacob,

originally, the big black switch is the breaker for both negative circuits of the engine starter batteries (2) and the service batteries (4).
On your Maramu, these negative circuits are connected, and can remain like this.

The 4 position switch is:
-UP position is OFF
-NORMAL position is both starter batteries circuit and service batteries circuit are ON (but separate and separately charged by their dedicated alternator when the engine is running)
-SECOURS means both starter batteries and service batteries positive are connected together (for emergency engine start)
-CHARGE means the battery charger is ON (you're connected to shore power and only the service batteries get charged from the battery charger); That's the "harbor" position.

I remember that when checking your Maramu, not all the batteries were there, and the starter batteries and service batteries were only one circuit.
I think that by now you have installed 6 new batteries and split the circuit into two separate (starter battery and service battery) circuits that get a charge from each alternator. 

The big top red handle is probably for the bow-thruster and for the windlass.

I hope someone with a close hull number can give you some more advice.

Have a nice afternoon.

Olivier


On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:26 PM, "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
[Attachment(s) from jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] included below]
Hi all.

We're making slow but steady progress toward launching Lark at the end storm season.  Would anyone be able to shed some light on the function of these switches in the walk-through on this old girl? 

I think the top red one might be for the bow thruster?  The strange thing is that the back side of it has not just 1 red and black wire coming out of it, but 2 each.  Not sure what that's about.

I guess the ROLL-FOC must be the jib furler, and the RADIO must be the old SSB radio-telephone.

What is function of the large switch in the middle (labeled NORMAL, CHARGE, SECOURS)? Does it switch between the house and starter banks?  As in CHARGE would be the starter bank, NORMAL would be the house bank, and SECOURS would be both?  

What about the big black handle?  I have no idea what that's for.

Apologies for the n00b questions, and thanks for any input!

Jacob Champness
Lark, Maramu #202
St Martin





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

The capacitor in the Calpeda pump was completely melted. I am grateful that there was not a fire. I have a new March pump arriving Friday.

Thank you all for your assistance. I will attempt to post a photo.

Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Brunswick, GA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Since that is the aft cabin, you can probably get by with a smaller Climma Compact unit, maybe as low as 6,000 BTU.

Write Coastal Climate Control coastalclimatecontrol.com>

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550




On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good afternoon,

Looks like I will have to replace my air conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH

I would prefer to stay with Climma Marine as it is the original equipment.

Has anyone purchase the newer Climma Marine unit? From where and how much?

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


[Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

Looks like I will have to replace my air conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH

I would prefer to stay with Climma Marine as it is the original equipment.

Has anyone purchase the newer Climma Marine unit? From where and how much?

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Bill,

I forgot to write you that I tried with new capacitors and was the same, it trips the power.

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 4:57 PM


 









Eric,
I would like to test those
capacitors...I think that they might charge when power goes
to the control unit. Of course his problem could be
anything, but I had his exact problem and changing out the
Compressor RUN Capacitor (40uf) solved the
issue.
Bill


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
3:30 PM, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Bill,
when the thermostat is in the neutral position there is
no AC going to the unit. Thus a bad capacitor would not make
any difference.
Fair Winds,
Eric

----- Original Message
-----
From: "'Bill & Judy
Rouse' yahoogroups@... [
amelyachtowners]"
Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com"

> I
think Eric is right and I think that the first thing I would

> do is
> replace the
two capacitors I mentioned earlier.
>
> Best,
>
> Bill Rouse
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, kimberlite@...
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Alexandre,
> >
with the switch In neutral position the AC unit is off. I

> would suspect a
>
> short in the wiring somewhere. it could be anywhere.
> > Good luck,
> >
Eric
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@... 
> [amelyachtowners]"> Date: Tuesday,
June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> > Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220
> >
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> >
> >
> I run the forward air conditioning without problem.
> > >
> > >
As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air Conditioning with
the
> > > switch in neutral
position (neither cold not hot) and right away
> > > the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI)
breaker trip (as well as the
> > >
marina).
> > > What does that tell
you?
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
--------------
> > > On Tue,
6/27/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > > Date: Tuesday, June
27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
Alexandre,
> > > there is a switch
and thermostat by each AC unit. when
>
> > the switch is in neutral position does the breaker
still
> > > trip? if not does it
trip when the switch is in the heat
>
> > position?
> > > To
discharge the capacitor take a wire with insulated
> > > alligator clips put one clip on
the body of the pump or case
> > >
and the other clip to a lug of the capacitor.
> > > Fair winds,
>
> > Eric
> > > ----- Original
Message -----
> > > From:
"Alexandre Uster von
> > >
Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:55 am
> >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
> > > To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > >
>
> > > Good morning John, Mark,
>
> > Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > >
> >
> your replies,
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a
dead
> > > > compressor…
> > > >
> >
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > “discharge them” prior
> > > > to testing?
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > Eric, I did not
> > > really understand the: “if the
AC switch is off
> > > > at the
thermostat does it still trip the
> >
> breaker?”
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
> > > >
> >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
------------------------------ --------------
> > > > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
> > > [amelyachtowners]
> > > > wrote:
>
> > >
> > > > Subject:
Re:
> > > [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > >
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> >
> marina
> > > > To:
> > > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > > > Date:
> > > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24
PM
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Alexandre.
> > > > if the AC switch is off at
the thermostat
> > > does it
still
> > > > trip the
breaker?
> > > > The breaker on
the AC panel side is a
> > > quick
blow
> > > > circuit breaker, If
there is
> > > a short it will
> > > > trip before the
> > > diruptor. If the AC is on at
the
> > > >
>
> > thermostat and the circuit still trips the
breaker,
> > > > Check the
continuity of the compressor to
> >
> ground. If
> > > > there is
a short to ground
> > > the
compressor is dead.
> > > > Fair
Winds,
> > > > Eric
> > > > sm 376
>
> > >
> > > > -----
Original
> > > > Message
-----
> > > > From:
> > > "Alexandre
> > > > Uster von
> > > >
> >
> Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
>
> > > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> > > Air
> >
> > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> > > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > To:
>
> > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > > >
> > > > > Good afternoon,
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > Today, I
hear the
> > > > fuse of the 220
Volt Panel tripping (the
> > >
one
> > > > > behind the
panel).
> > > > > I
> > > > found out the
> > > fuse of the marina also trip.
> > > > >
>
> > > > After running tests,
> > > > the cause is the Aft Cabin
Air
> > > Conditioning
> > > > > (which I have been
> > > using non stop for 9
> > > > days).
>
> > > >
> > > > >
Running
> > > > the salon does
not trip anything.
> > > >
>
> > > > > What could
> > > be the cause?
> > > > > How to diagnostic
> > > and solve the issue?
> > > > >
>
> > > > Did I use too much
>
> > > the air conditioning?
>
> > >
> > > > How come
the
> > > > Diruptor did not
> > > trip, but the 220 Volt Panel
did?
> > > > >
> > > How come I trip the marina
fuse?
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> >
> Alexandre
> > > > > SM2K
#289 NIKIMAT
> > > > > Port
de Gustavia, Saint
> > >
Barthélémy,
> > > > FWI
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
>
> >
>

































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Switches in the walk-through on a Maramu

Jacob Champness
 

Hi all.


We're making slow but steady progress toward launching Lark at the end storm season.  Would anyone be able to shed some light on the function of these switches in the walk-through on this old girl? 


I think the top red one might be for the bow thruster?  The strange thing is that the back side of it has not just 1 red and black wire coming out of it, but 2 each.  Not sure what that's about.


I guess the ROLL-FOC must be the jib furler, and the RADIO must be the old SSB radio-telephone.


What is function of the large switch in the middle (labeled NORMAL, CHARGE, SECOURS)? Does it switch between the house and starter banks?  As in CHARGE would be the starter bank, NORMAL would be the house bank, and SECOURS would be both?  


What about the big black handle?  I have no idea what that's for.


Apologies for the n00b questions, and thanks for any input!


Jacob Champness

Lark, Maramu #202

St Martin




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

Since you are leaving in a little bit, making it short:
Here is what I did:

I completely removed the unit (I will make an illustration later on of the removal process).

I connected the air conditioning unit in the cockpit to a shore power (this way it won’t trip my boat all the time).
Here is what I find out:

When I connect the harness going to the compressor, the power trips right away.
So I disconnected the harness going to the compressor and it did not trip.
In one of your email, you mention if there is a short in the compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other test to do?

Also, I did another test (not connecting the compressor harness) but connecting the harness to the fan (and control), the power did not trip, but the fan was not turning (even thought I was measuring electricity at the fan plug).
So looks to me the fan is also dead…

Some pictures of the above tests:
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06 AM


 









Hi Alexandre,
I will be at sea either this afternoon or
tomorrow..
Please reply to WB2cwd@....
Fair winds,
Eric


----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Good morning Bill &
Eric,
> Thanks for your continuous
support.
> I will keep you posted of
what I find.
> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
> Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill,
> Cant Hurt.
> Eric
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"'Bill &
> Judy
Rouse'
>
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
"amelyachtowners@..."
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > I would like to test
> those capacitors...I think that they might

> > charge when
>
> power
> goes to the control unit. Of
course his problem could be
> >
anything,but I had his exact problem and
> changing out the
>
> Compressor RUN
> Capacitor
> > (40uf) solved the issue.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue,
Jun 27,
> 2017 at 3:30 PM,
kimberlite@...
> >
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > > Bill,
> > > when the thermostat is in the
neutral
> position there is no AC
> > going to
> the
> > > unit. Thus a bad capacitor
> would not make any difference.
> > >
> Fair
Winds,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
-----
> Original Message -----
> > > From:
>
"'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
Date:
> Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> > >
> Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
>
> > Tripping 220
> > >
> Volt Panel
Fuse & marina
> > > To:
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > >
> > >
> I
> think Eric is right and I think
that the first thing I
> would
> > > > do is
>
> > > replace the two capacitors I
> mentioned earlier.
>
> > >
> > > > Best,
> > >
> >
> > > > Bill Rouse
> > > >
> >
> >
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30
AM,
> kimberlite@...
> > > >
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > Alexandre,
> > > > > with the switch In
neutral
> position the AC unit is off.
I
> > >
> >
would suspect a
> > > > >
> short in the wiring somewhere. it could be
anywhere.
> > > > > Good
luck,
> > > > > Eric
> >
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original
Message
> -----
> >
> > > From:
> "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@...
>
> > > [amelyachtowners]">
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
> > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> Air Conditioning
> >
> > Tripping
> 220
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> & marina
> >
> > > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
forward air conditioning without problem.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air
> Conditioning with the
>
> > > >
> > switch in
neutral position (neither cold not hot) and
>
> > right away
> > >
> > >
> the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip
> (as well
> > as
the
> >
> > >
> > marina).
> > > >
> > > What does that tell you?
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > On Tue,
6/27/17,
> kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > >
>
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
Alexandre,
> > > > > >
there is a switch and
> thermostat by
each AC unit. when
> > >
> > > > the switch is in neutral
position does the
> breaker still
> > > > > > trip?
> if not does it trip when the switch is in
the heat
> > > > > >
position?
> > > > > > To
discharge the
> capacitor take a wire
with insulated
> >
> > > > > alligator clips put
one clip on the body
> of the pump or
case
> > > > > >
> and the other clip to a lug of the
capacitor.
> > > > > >
Fair winds,
> > > > > >
Eric
> > > > > > -----
Original Message
> -----
> > > > > > From:
> "Alexandre Uster von
> > > >
> >
> Baar uster@...
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
7:55 am
> > > > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel
> Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> > > >
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> Good morning John, Mark,
> > > > >
>
> Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > your replies,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Based on what
you
> wrote, I suspect a short and a
dead
> >
> >
> > > > compressor…
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > > > > “discharge
them”
> prior
> >
> > > > > to
> testing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric, I
did
> not
> > >
> > > really
> understand the:
“if the AC switch is off
> > >
> > > > at the thermostat
>
does it still trip the
> > > >
>
> > breaker?”
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Thanks in advance,
> sincerely,
Alexandre
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > On Mon,
6/26/17,
> kimberlite@...
> > > > >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Subject:
> Re:
> > > > > > [Amel Yacht
> Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > >
> > >
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> > > > > > marina
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > >
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> > Date:
> > > >
> > > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24
PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre.
> > > > > >
> if the AC switch
> is off at the
thermostat
> > > > >
> > does it still
>
> > > > >
> > trip the
breaker?
> > > > >
> > > The breaker on the AC panel side
is a
> > > > > > quick
blow
> > > > > > >
circuit breaker,
> If there is
> > > > > > a short
> it will
> > >
> > > > trip
> before the
> > > > > >
> diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> thermostat and the circuit still trips the
breaker,
> > > > > > >
Check the
> continuity of the compressor
to
> > >
> >
> > ground. If
> > > >
> > > > there is a short to
ground
> > > > > > the
compressor is
> dead.
> > > > > > > Fair
> Winds,
> > > >
> > > Eric
> > > > >
> > sm 376
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
----- Original
> > > > > >
> Message -----
> > > > >
> > From:
> > > > >
> "Alexandre
> > > >
> > > Uster von
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Baar
> uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
> > > Date: Monday,
> June 26,
2017 5:19 pm
> > > > >
> > > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
> > > > > > Air
> > > > > > >
Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > >
> Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > >
>
> > To:
> > > > >
>
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> Today, I hear
the
> > > > > >
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping
(the
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > behind
the
> panel).
> >
> > > > > >
> I
> > > > > > > found out
> the
> > > >
> > fuse of the
> marina also
trip.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> After running
tests,
> > > > >
> > > the cause is the Aft Cabin
Air
> > > > > >
Conditioning
> > > > > >
> > (which I
> have been
> > > > > > using non
> stop for 9
> > >
> > > >
> days).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
Running
> > > > > > >
the salon does
> not trip anything.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> What could
> > > > > > be the
> cause?
> > > >
> > > >
> How to
diagnostic
> > > > > >
> and solve the issue?
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > Did I use too much
> > > > >
>
> > the air conditioning?
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > How come the
>
> > > > >
> > Diruptor
did not
> > > > >
> > trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > How come I trip the marina
fuse?
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> Sincerely,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > > SM2K
#289
> NIKIMAT
> >
> > > > > >
> Port de
Gustavia, Saint
> > > > >
> > Barthélémy,
>
> > > > >
> > FWI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Eric,

My email is: uster@...

going to write something in a few minutes

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:11 AM


 









Hi Alexandre,
Please send your email address to Kimberlite@....
I need to send you an email to you before the system
will allow you to send me emails to me.
I do not have your address on this computer.
Fair Winds,
eric

----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Good morning Bill &
Eric,
> Thanks for your continuous
support.
> I will keep you posted of
what I find.
> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
> Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill,
> Cant Hurt.
> Eric
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"'Bill &
> Judy
Rouse'
>
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
"amelyachtowners@..."
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > I would like to test
> those capacitors...I think that they might

> > charge when
>
> power
> goes to the control unit. Of
course his problem could be
> >
anything,but I had his exact problem and
> changing out the
>
> Compressor RUN
> Capacitor
> > (40uf) solved the issue.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue,
Jun 27,
> 2017 at 3:30 PM,
kimberlite@...
> >
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > > Bill,
> > > when the thermostat is in the
neutral
> position there is no AC
> > going to
> the
> > > unit. Thus a bad capacitor
> would not make any difference.
> > >
> Fair
Winds,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
-----
> Original Message -----
> > > From:
>
"'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
Date:
> Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> > >
> Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
>
> > Tripping 220
> > >
> Volt Panel
Fuse & marina
> > > To:
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > >
> > >
> I
> think Eric is right and I think
that the first thing I
> would
> > > > do is
>
> > > replace the two capacitors I
> mentioned earlier.
>
> > >
> > > > Best,
> > >
> >
> > > > Bill Rouse
> > > >
> >
> >
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30
AM,
> kimberlite@...
> > > >
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > Alexandre,
> > > > > with the switch In
neutral
> position the AC unit is off.
I
> > >
> >
would suspect a
> > > > >
> short in the wiring somewhere. it could be
anywhere.
> > > > > Good
luck,
> > > > > Eric
> >
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original
Message
> -----
> >
> > > From:
> "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@...
>
> > > [amelyachtowners]">
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
> > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> Air Conditioning
> >
> > Tripping
> 220
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> & marina
> >
> > > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
forward air conditioning without problem.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air
> Conditioning with the
>
> > > >
> > switch in
neutral position (neither cold not hot) and
>
> > right away
> > >
> > >
> the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip
> (as well
> > as
the
> >
> > >
> > marina).
> > > >
> > > What does that tell you?
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > On Tue,
6/27/17,
> kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > >
>
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
Alexandre,
> > > > > >
there is a switch and
> thermostat by
each AC unit. when
> > >
> > > > the switch is in neutral
position does the
> breaker still
> > > > > > trip?
> if not does it trip when the switch is in
the heat
> > > > > >
position?
> > > > > > To
discharge the
> capacitor take a wire
with insulated
> >
> > > > > alligator clips put
one clip on the body
> of the pump or
case
> > > > > >
> and the other clip to a lug of the
capacitor.
> > > > > >
Fair winds,
> > > > > >
Eric
> > > > > > -----
Original Message
> -----
> > > > > > From:
> "Alexandre Uster von
> > > >
> >
> Baar uster@...
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
7:55 am
> > > > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel
> Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> > > >
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> Good morning John, Mark,
> > > > >
>
> Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > your replies,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Based on what
you
> wrote, I suspect a short and a
dead
> >
> >
> > > > compressor…
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > > > > “discharge
them”
> prior
> >
> > > > > to
> testing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric, I
did
> not
> > >
> > > really
> understand the:
“if the AC switch is off
> > >
> > > > at the thermostat
>
does it still trip the
> > > >
>
> > breaker?”
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Thanks in advance,
> sincerely,
Alexandre
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > On Mon,
6/26/17,
> kimberlite@...
> > > > >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Subject:
> Re:
> > > > > > [Amel Yacht
> Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > >
> > >
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> > > > > > marina
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > >
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> > Date:
> > > >
> > > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24
PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre.
> > > > > >
> if the AC switch
> is off at the
thermostat
> > > > >
> > does it still
>
> > > > >
> > trip the
breaker?
> > > > >
> > > The breaker on the AC panel side
is a
> > > > > > quick
blow
> > > > > > >
circuit breaker,
> If there is
> > > > > > a short
> it will
> > >
> > > > trip
> before the
> > > > > >
> diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> thermostat and the circuit still trips the
breaker,
> > > > > > >
Check the
> continuity of the compressor
to
> > >
> >
> > ground. If
> > > >
> > > > there is a short to
ground
> > > > > > the
compressor is
> dead.
> > > > > > > Fair
> Winds,
> > > >
> > > Eric
> > > > >
> > sm 376
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
----- Original
> > > > > >
> Message -----
> > > > >
> > From:
> > > > >
> "Alexandre
> > > >
> > > Uster von
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Baar
> uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
> > > Date: Monday,
> June 26,
2017 5:19 pm
> > > > >
> > > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
> > > > > > Air
> > > > > > >
Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > >
> Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > >
>
> > To:
> > > > >
>
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> Today, I hear
the
> > > > > >
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping
(the
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > behind
the
> panel).
> >
> > > > > >
> I
> > > > > > > found out
> the
> > > >
> > fuse of the
> marina also
trip.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> After running
tests,
> > > > >
> > > the cause is the Aft Cabin
Air
> > > > > >
Conditioning
> > > > > >
> > (which I
> have been
> > > > > > using non
> stop for 9
> > >
> > > >
> days).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
Running
> > > > > > >
the salon does
> not trip anything.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> What could
> > > > > > be the
> cause?
> > > >
> > > >
> How to
diagnostic
> > > > > >
> and solve the issue?
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > Did I use too much
> > > > >
>
> > the air conditioning?
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > How come the
>
> > > > >
> > Diruptor
did not
> > > > >
> > trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > How come I trip the marina
fuse?
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> Sincerely,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > > SM2K
#289
> NIKIMAT
> >
> > > > > >
> Port de
Gustavia, Saint
> > > > >
> > Barthélémy,
>
> > > > >
> > FWI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >