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Re: Tender Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Teun;

 

Nice to hear from you. We’re in the same “boat”. Have not been at the boat since October 2019 and hopeful that 2021 season will not be affected by COVID.

 

Which model of the offshore cruising tender did you end up with and what do you feel are the advantages over the inflatable ones?

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad Shirloo

+1-323-633-2222  Cell

+1-424-644-0908  Fax

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Aty & Mohammad,

 

Hope you guys are doing well with this COVID situation – I am not sure when I can get back to the boat in AUSTRALIA but I don’t think it will be before Q2 2021.

 

Although you asked about the HIGHFIELD just wanted to share since I know you appreciate (very) high quality stuff. 😊

 

I had 5 tenders in 18 months – 2 of them were HIGHFIELDS; I will save you the story.

Best dinghy, bar none, is the Offshore Cruising Tenders. They are located in NZ and only custom build. Expensive but, in my opinion, well worth the extra $$$$$

 

https://octenders.co.nz

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT – A54 #128

October 6, 2020 07:12:44

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo via groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 23:48
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?

Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

Re: Tender Amel 54

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Aty & Mohammad,

 

Hope you guys are doing well with this COVID situation – I am not sure when I can get back to the boat in AUSTRALIA but I don’t think it will be before Q2 2021.

 

Although you asked about the HIGHFIELD just wanted to share since I know you appreciate (very) high quality stuff. 😊

 

I had 5 tenders in 18 months – 2 of them were HIGHFIELDS; I will save you the story.

Best dinghy, bar none, is the Offshore Cruising Tenders. They are located in NZ and only custom build. Expensive but, in my opinion, well worth the extra $$$$$

 

https://octenders.co.nz

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT – A54 #128

October 6, 2020 07:12:44

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo via groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 23:48
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?

Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

Re: Tender Amel 54

John Clanton
 

Mohammad & Aty,

 

We have the Highfield 340 in Hypalon and have enjoyed it, and had no quality issues.  The length of the tender prevents the use of the gangway without first lowering the dinghy, which is an annoyance.  That being said, I have not measured to see what size dinghy would work without interfering with the gangway.

 

The ride is nice and the double floor keeps water from getting on everything.

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux, A55, No.65

Currently untouched for a year and a day in Antibes, France



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Re: Tender Amel 54

Denis Foster
 

Hello,

Thank you for attracting attention to the Pischel RIB if Dusseldorf 21 is not cancelled I will have a better look.

We have had both a Caribe 10X and a AB AL9.

Global quality is very good but Caribe Paint on AL floor peeled away quickly.

For the Caribe some details are a little cheap like the hinges of the forward locker that needs reinforcement. The fuel line under deck is  impossible to replace. The lifting points need reinforcement. We have a Tohatsu 15HP 2cycle which is very good. And also a Torqueedo electric 1003S that is very convenient since it is so light but the throttle handle needed replacement under warranty and the electrical connections are fragile and need a lot of care not to be off centered before tightening.

Since tender theft is a growing nuisance has someone tried to put a GPS tracker relayed by the Sigfox network. Not sure it has world coverage mostly in the insecure regions?

Denis 

ex Meltem 32

Le mar. 6 oct. 2020 à 12:32, Arnold Mente via groups.io <Arnold.mente=me.com@groups.io> a écrit :
Hi, here my personal ranking in quality:

Company Prod. in

1. R.I.B. Line Pischel (D) Germany
2. Caribe Venezuela
3. AB Colombia
4. ZAR Tender (I) China
5. Highfield (AU) China
6. Nautend (GR) China
7. Zodiac (F) China
8. 3D-Tender (F) China
9. Plastimo (F) China

All manufactures offering Hypalon, the first 3 only Hypalon!

Best 

Arnold
SV Zephyr
SM 203

Am 06.10.2020 um 10:09 schrieb Ian Park <parkianj@...>:

My PVC dinghy suffered and expired in the Caribbean and we were recommended Highfield which we bought in hypalon. Pleased with it although no longer in the Caribbean. If headed there, most cruisers fit ‘chaps’ which IMO are worth the expense ( also an engine ‘chap’). Hypalon seems to be the best choice for tropical climate. 


Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

North Wales




--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203

Re: Tender Amel 54

Dirk Hooff
 

Hi Mohammad,

this year we bought a Highfield CL360 in Hypalon. It fits perfectly on the AMEL davits (Cooney Simpson).
Hypalon should be chosen if the dinghy has been in salt water for a longer period and is exposed to strong sunlight.
We have a powerful outboard motor (Yamaha 25PS) with which the CL 360 can drive perfectly over long distances, even with several people. The aluminum hull is very light (the CL360 weighs only approx. 70kg) and thanks to the good V-shape it drives very well over the waves, even at higher speeds.
Incidentally, the new Yamaha 25PS still fits in the aft locker on the outboard motor bracket ... a perfect place for the outboard motor for longer sea passages or winter storage.
In addition, the CL360 fits perfectly (upside down) on the aft deck ... also for longer sea passages or winter storage.
We are very happy with this dinghy choice.

Many greetings and thanks again for your help regarding the oil pressure sensor this summer!

Dirk
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SY PÉNÉLOPE   AMEL 54#96



Am 06.10.2020 um 08:47 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?
Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

Re: Tender Amel 54

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Mohammad, Hi Aty,

We very briefly met as you were leaving  when we were both anchored off Corfu town last summer.

I bought Amelia with her Caribe included and it is still going strong. Hypalon pontoons and GRP rigid hull. I highly recommend this brand.

In my opinion Hypalon is well worth the extra expense. I also believe that if you have the habit of leaving an aluminium hulled rib in the water the whole time corrosion and adhesion of the pontoons to the hull can be a problem. If however you are in the habit of hoisting the dinghy on your davits every evening that may not be a consideration. 

Nick

S/V Amelia AML54-019
Ashore Leros.


On 6 Oct 2020, at 07:47, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?
Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

Re: Tender Amel 54

Arnold Mente
 

Hi, here my personal ranking in quality:

Company Prod. in

1. R.I.B. Line Pischel (D) Germany
2. Caribe Venezuela
3. AB Colombia
4. ZAR Tender (I) China
5. Highfield (AU) China
6. Nautend (GR) China
7. Zodiac (F) China
8. 3D-Tender (F) China
9. Plastimo (F) China

All manufactures offering Hypalon, the first 3 only Hypalon!

Best 

Arnold
SV Zephyr
SM 203

Am 06.10.2020 um 10:09 schrieb Ian Park <parkianj@...>:

My PVC dinghy suffered and expired in the Caribbean and we were recommended Highfield which we bought in hypalon. Pleased with it although no longer in the Caribbean. If headed there, most cruisers fit ‘chaps’ which IMO are worth the expense ( also an engine ‘chap’). Hypalon seems to be the best choice for tropical climate. 


Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

North Wales




--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203
Re: Tender Amel 54

Ian Park
 

My PVC dinghy suffered and expired in the Caribbean and we were recommended Highfield which we bought in hypalon. Pleased with it although no longer in the Caribbean. If headed there, most cruisers fit ‘chaps’ which IMO are worth the expense ( also an engine ‘chap’). Hypalon seems to be the best choice for tropical climate. 


Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

North Wales
Re: Tender Amel 54

Randall Walker
 

Hello M&A,
My neighbors tender is a brand I hadn't heard of before called 3D https://www.3dtender.com/ALUMINIUM-SEMI-RIGID-TENDERS-147-64-0-0.html
My purchase was the Highfield 310 and didn't want to wait for the Hypalon as they were unsure when they could get one in Gibraltar. I believe that the extra investment in Hypalon pays for itself. The 3D tender when side by side is identical to the Highfield. My 310 is at the limit of width for the 54. And we are restricted to keeping it on the aft.
I wish I had the OCTender that was on the back of my boat. I regret not making it the one and only demand when purchasing my boat. They are very nice, hindsight 20/20.

Safe travels, and wishes the world opens soon.
Randall
A54#56


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:48 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?
Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

Re: Tender Amel 54

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Mohammed & Aty,

We chose a deep v AB 9.5UL and it has done yeoman service for us. However, if we had to do it now, we’d consider OCD TENDERS from NZ. 

Very good design including beach wheels!  Very popular

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM 007, NZ


On 6/10/2020, at 7:48 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?
Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

Tender Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?
Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
Inverter grounding and other details

Jose Venegas
 

 I am installing BB lithium batteries and a new 5000 VA 24-240 v 50 hz Victron inverter.  I decided to avoid the temptation of installing an Inverter/charger because of the 50 to 60 Hz issues when using it in the Americas.  
I plan is to pass the 220 V 50 Hz cable from the inverter to the engine compartment and add a third outlet to the box that has the 220 V and 110 to 220V  transformed outlets.  This will allow me to power all 220 V outlets of the boat, plus air conditioning, microwave oven, washing machines, and water maker (obviously not all at the same time).  without having to rewire the 220 circuits. Also obviously, I will not be turning on the battery charger while the inverter is ON. 
With this approach, I expect that the system will switch automatically to the generator, as it does when the boat is running on shore power.  Yesterday I tested that the water maker was able to run under shore power without circuit breakers going off which suggests me it will be able to run with the inverter.  How much current will it draw and how long will the batteries be able to run it will have to be determined.

I found on this group a long discussion about the independence of AC and DC grounds in the SM Amel and long discussions about installing inverter/chargers but  I STILL HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS:

1) Is there something wrong with this approach? have I missed something?  For example, do the sudden shut down of the inverter AC output by the relay switch at the start of the generator damage the relay switch, the inverter, or the lithium batteries. Of course, to be safe I could turn off the inverter and or disconnect its AC output from the box before turning on the generator but it would be good to know is something is fundamentally wrong with this approach..    

2)   What to do with the AC "ground" 220 V connection from the inverter?  The inverter has the metal case connected to the ground of the 220 cable output and allows this ground to be connected to the neutral.  I have disconnected this and am not planning to connect the case to the bonding since that would connect the AC ground to the DC bonding that I have read is a NO-NO.  Alternatively, I could have the case connected to the DC negative or completely disconnected from everything.

3)   Any ideas where to pass the 220V cable from the battery compartment to the engine room.  There are several DC battery cables running through what looks like epoxy resin to prevent water from flowing between the two compartments.  Have anyone drilled a new hole along and above these cables?  If so, was it started from the engine compartment to avoid damaging of tubes and cables in the engine compartment?

4) I am planning to connect the DC cables from the inverter to the large DC switches from the batteries.  Are these switches large enough to handle the current if one does not use heavy current DC motors such as the bow thruster while running the inverter at full power?   The 5000 VA inverter requires a 400 amp fuse. 

Any thoughts or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Jose Venegas
Ipanema  SM2K 278


 
Re: Anchor roller

Dan Carlson
 

I second Karen's recco.

Our pin broke/fractured just inside. 

A machinist ground the outside welds of the he pin and it was all removed in less than 10 minutes.

He then cut two SS washers from 2 inch round stock, approx 2mm thick and milled it for the exact size of the replacement pin. He welded these onto the sides to give lots of reinforcement and the fabricated a new removable pin.

I believe that the welding made the original SS pin brittle causing it to break over time.

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, sm #387


On Mon, Oct 5, 2020, 1:33 PM Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
... and the shaft cannot rotate with the roller and wear against the side holes.
--
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL

Re: Anchor roller

Craig Briggs
 

... and the shaft cannot rotate with the roller and wear against the side holes.
--
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
Re: Anchor roller

CW Bill Rouse
 

With the shaft welded the sides cannot bend inward.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 11:47 AM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,

I use the secondary anchor roller to pass the snubber or the mooring line.  The two vertical rollers serve to reduce chafe when the line is not aligned with the boat.    However, in strong wind the flat cylinder shape of the secondary anchor roller allows sliding between the snubber and the roller creating chafe and strong sounds each time the snubber slides from one side to the other.
For this reason I would like to replace the secondary anchor roller to one that includes a wedge in the center and prevents the sliding of the snubber.

What is the reason for welding the shaft?

Jose

Ipanema SM 2K  278







Re: Anchor roller

Jose Venegas
 

Bill,

I use the secondary anchor roller to pass the snubber or the mooring line. The two vertical rollers serve to reduce chafe when the line is not aligned with the boat. However, in strong wind the flat cylinder shape of the secondary anchor roller allows sliding between the snubber and the roller creating chafe and strong sounds each time the snubber slides from one side to the other.
For this reason I would like to replace the secondary anchor roller to one that includes a wedge in the center and prevents the sliding of the snubber.

What is the reason for welding the shaft?

Jose

Ipanema SM 2K 278
Re: Anchor roller

Karen Smith
 

If you need to replace the roller, it is far easier to grind off the welds on the outside of the plates.  It is welded only on the outer surface of the metal plate.  (Been there, done that!)

Then you can replace the pin with a bolt and nyloc nut of suitable size, or have a new pin welded in place if you believe that is superior.

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM160
Annapolis, MD
Re: Fibreglass cowling enclosure around C Drive

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Barry, Not only will the rubber bushing on the bottom allow some minor wiggle, but there are also "O" rings and a neoprene sleeve at the top around the "trumpet", allowing some wiggle there, plus the upper "C" drive-to-engine frame "engine" mounts. Point being the whole assembly is engineered to have vibration dampening and will move some when forcibly "wiggled" - it is not a rigid structure as your surveyor may have presumed.
--
Craig, SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
PS. I have pulled mine off for a bent shaft and it was great to be able to thoroughly get all the crud out from behind it and slather bottom paint in there - not sure I'd put it on a regular PM list, thought.
Re: Engine Volvo TMD22 sensors

Matt Salatino
 

Younwould need new sensors. Your current ones are only on/off, not analog.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Oct 5, 2020, at 5:50 AM, Slavko D. <slavko@...> wrote:

On my Amel I have a standard instrument panel. I would like to add instruments for oil pressure and temperature, Now I have only alarms on instrument panel. Are the sensor on the engine same or I would need to order new one?

Than you
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279

For Sale: Amel Euros 41, 1976 - Lefkada, Greece €19999

Andrew Eaves <andyeaves@...>
 

Hello all,

Our Amel Euro's is for sale, p/x. Please see info here;

https://www.car.gr/classifieds/boats/view/32046202/

Kind regards
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