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Re: Wet Cell Batteries

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks everyone.

Duane


Re: Wet Cell Batteries

Duane Siegfri
 

I have the DEKA Marine Master Group 31 wet cell batteries.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Opacmare Passerelle sticking Jamming Nylon sliding support seized AMEL 54

amelfango
 

Thanks Wolfgang

I have machined the Nylon sliders a couple of times but they keep swelling and jamming.

Rob


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Opacmare Passerelle sticking Jamming Nylon sliding support seized AMEL 54

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 

Try to open the valve with a screw driver pressing in the little hole of the valve under the relay and spray some WD40. Mine did not work , you could hear the motor and nothing worked. By pressing the valves manually I recognised the problem. 
Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162




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Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Opacmare Passerelle sticking Jamming Nylon sliding support seized AMEL 54

 

Has anyone else had a problem with the Opacmare passerelle becoming stiff or jamming and sometimes failing to extend?  This is on AMEL 54 Cléo.


I have had this problem and was wondering if I am the only one.


Rob


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wet Cell Batteries

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

I have simple automotive battery tester. I use it periodically. It is rather simple process.

On Jan 31, 2018 07:00, "kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

How old is your battery bank?

How budget conscious are you?
Are you about to go on a long voyage away from chandleries?
After fully charging how long and how many amps does it take to get to 50% charge measured by specific gravity?

Assuming that the answer to the last question is acceptable and:


Assuming you really want to maximise the life from your battery bank.  I would consider disconnecting the two worst offending batteries. So your bank is 10 batteries wired up as pairs to give 24v. Then see how the rest of the bank performs. If the remaining bank holds it's charge well then you must decide what to do with the two dead ones. Maybe equalise/replace them or do without.

As for equalisation. You could try it before changing the dud batteries.  If you fully charge the bank with your Dolphin chargers until they accept no more charge and then turn all load off and on a sunny day use the solar regulator to equalise. The batteries should gas and boil, this stirs up the electrolyte and hopefully cleans off the plates. One hour is not enough you could reset it several times.

The main advantage of wet cell batteries is that you can boil them and refill with distilled water. 

Nick Amelia (54) with a new bank of Lifeline AGM, new chargers as the old Dolphins died and 530w solar and two wind generators.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Quick question on desalator membrane replacement

Porter McRoberts
 






Correct?


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On Jan 31, 2018, at 3:50 AM, kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

You need the "O" rings to be at the HP end of the vessels. So the water from the HP pump goes into the first vessel (track the HP hose) that is where the O ring should be and then the water flows into the next vessel with HP hose or probably a solid stainless steel HP pipe link the O ring needs to be at this end and then the water exits the vessels and out over the side of the boat.


If you have them the wrong way round then there will be very little product water, as you have found.

Nick 

Amelia (54)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Opacmare Passerelle sticking Jamming Nylon sliding support seized AMEL 54

Courtney Gorman
 

yes, lubrication and use are the fix spray liberally with Corrosion X then 'Help' it out while using the remote. after a couple of times it should work much better.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Courtney
amel 54 #101 Trippin'
Marina Del Rey PR


-----Original Message-----
From: rob.molly@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 9:10 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Opacmare Passerelle sticking Jamming Nylon sliding support seized AMEL 54

 
Has anyone else had a problem with the Opacmare passerelle becoming stiff or jamming and sometimes failing to extend?  This is on AMEL 54 Cléo.

I have had this problem and was wondering if I am the only one.

Rob


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Quick question on desalator membrane replacement

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Porter,

I checked again the pictures I have. The V seal  is upstream in the high pressure circuit. The tubes are marked with an arrow showing the high pressure stream direction. We have 3 tubes on our Duo 100. 

First one is:
High pressure input end (red tape) -> tube -> bobbin #1 end (blue tape)

Second is:
Bobbin #2 end (blue tape) <- tube <- bobbin #1 end (red tape)

Third is:
Bobbin #2 end (red tape) -> tube -> high pressure brine output (blue tape)

So, for us, the V seal always goes on the red taped end. 

From what I understand you are saying, one of your membranes is the wrong way round (the upstream one). I don't know if it matters. 


Other ref:
(In French but pictures are clear. I don't agree with all advice regarding the method to remove the end caps or the use of lithium grease but nevermind)

Hope that's clearer

Thomas 
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Le Marin, Martinique 



On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 at 03:48, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Mark. Thank you very much. 

I am still not 100% certain I understand at which end the black v brine seal should be. 
On the first tube we have the High pressure seawater in end, then the bobbin/connect to the other tube end. 
One the second tube we have the bobbin/connect to the other tube end and the hypertonic discharge end. 

We ended up putting the v brine seals at the bobbin ends in each tube. 

Water tasted great. But only made a few liters as was just checking functionality. 

Are the elements in in correct orientation?
Does it matter?

Again. Quite appreciated. And we followed your use the high pressure pump to remove the ends advice. Excellent!

Porter
Amel54-152


On Jan 27, 2018, at 4:28 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,

 

Oops. I forgot this part but it look like you already have the ends off.

 

Disconnect the high pressure hoses and separate the 2 pressure vessels. Be very careful not to damage - twist, or enlarge the holes for the interconnector between the 2 pressure vessels ( at the end opposite the HP hoses). Use water from the pressure water system - a 1/2 hose will clamp over the SS flare fitting. Cover the hole in the end plug with a thumb - turn on the water - once the air is out, the end plugs will come out easily - apply a little resistance to balance the 2 ends so that both ends get started out.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 4:37 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Quick question on desalator membrane replacement

 

 

If someone who has any experience changing membranes could watch this video and give me any quick advice I would be hugely appreciative

The question surrounds which end of the membrane (ie the O ring end on the membrane) corresponds to regarding the fitting end in the Kevlar sleeve and especially to the tube fitting end. The hydrolic end or the Bobbin end?
Very much appreciated!!!!

Porter McRoberts
Ibis 
Amel 54-152

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OJEI0Z__bc


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main furler gearbox

Patrick McAneny
 

Duane, Its amazing that it would not turn while in a vice, however I could only tighten to a point for fear of cracking it. I am going into town this morning and will pick up some blaster and give it a good soak , then wack it some more with a rubber mallet. 
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 4:02 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main furler gearbox

 
I was able to get it out by tapping around the exterior of the black winch socket with a rubber mallet (you may have to tap pretty agressively).  The idea being to "tip" it progressively.  It took a while.  If it seems really stuck try some PB Blaster to dissolve any corrosion.  

I'm surprised you couldn't twist the black piece when you had it in a vice.  Did you try a pipe wrench, or a strap wrench?  You might try a combination of PB Blaster the night before, then tapping to break it free of some of the corrosion and twisting with a strap wrench.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: How to remove freezer compressor

amelfango
 

Hello,

As I'm near La Rochelle and will be on the AMEL pontoon later this week I can ask about access to the compressor from somebody there perhaps Nicolas.

Have just sold Cléo our very much loved 54.  

Regards,

Rob


Opacmare Passerelle sticking Jamming Nylon sliding support seized AMEL 54

amelfango
 

Has anyone else had a problem with the Opacmare passerelle becoming stiff or jamming and sometimes failing to extend?  This is on AMEL 54 Cléo.


I have had this problem and was wondering if I am the only one.


Rob


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Quick question on desalator membrane replacement

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

You need the "O" rings to be at the HP end of the vessels. So the water from the HP pump goes into the first vessel (track the HP hose) that is where the O ring should be and then the water flows into the next vessel with HP hose or probably a solid stainless steel HP pipe link the O ring needs to be at this end and then the water exits the vessels and out over the side of the boat.

If you have them the wrong way round then there will be very little product water, as you have found.

Nick 

Amelia (54)


Re: Wet Cell Batteries

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

How old is your battery bank?
How budget conscious are you?
Are you about to go on a long voyage away from chandleries?
After fully charging how long and how many amps does it take to get to 50% charge measured by specific gravity?

Assuming that the answer to the last question is acceptable and:


Assuming you really want to maximise the life from your battery bank.  I would consider disconnecting the two worst offending batteries. So your bank is 10 batteries wired up as pairs to give 24v. Then see how the rest of the bank performs. If the remaining bank holds it's charge well then you must decide what to do with the two dead ones. Maybe equalise/replace them or do without.

As for equalisation. You could try it before changing the dud batteries.  If you fully charge the bank with your Dolphin chargers until they accept no more charge and then turn all load off and on a sunny day use the solar regulator to equalise. The batteries should gas and boil, this stirs up the electrolyte and hopefully cleans off the plates. One hour is not enough you could reset it several times.

The main advantage of wet cell batteries is that you can boil them and refill with distilled water. 

Nick Amelia (54) with a new bank of Lifeline AGM, new chargers as the old Dolphins died and 530w solar and two wind generators.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM2K

Warren Traill
 

FYI. We own Sharki #15 1980. Our first Amel. We are living on board in Phuket/Thailand. Have owned her for 3 years and constantly admire the design wisdom of Henri Amel.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, 28 January 2018 7:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM2K

 

 

Steve,

 

I have been through a few Amel as I was looking at a good one to buy within my budget.  I can highly recommend one owner in La Rachelle who has one of the best I have viewed.  It was unfortunately a little to expensive for my budget and I passed but I regret a bit somehow.  If you are interested I can put you in touch with him.

In any case I suggest that you buy in La Rochelle, there are a few good owners and good boats, you also get the yard pontoon and the Pochon Amel subcontractor to do any work you will require with the same standard as they have done on the original boat.  This is also not to mention Olivier Beaute lives there so he can inspect the boat that he probably already know everything about!

 

Regards,

 

Redouan Assar.

Stella ex-Zeerob SM359

 



On 28 Jan 2018, at 11:39, steve b stevect@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi All,

         It;s been a while since i last posted, in my previous post we were lookin g to purchase an Amel SM2K  2001-2005, We were at the time maybe jumping the gun somewhat as we still had a business commitments.

 

We have however spent considerable time and effort to look at numerous Amels throughout the world, and many more who  have visited Cape Town (  tks to all the people who we have met and been allowed to spent time on their yachts and all the advice given , you know who you are and we appericate the advice given ).

 

We are now in the final negotiations of selling our business and now have a 12-18 mnth timeline to start our sailing dream and therefore are hoping to purchase something in the next 12 months.

 

I would appericate it if any one has ,/is planning to sell  or knows of any SM2K up for sale.? It is important we are able to speak to the owners directly as i believe this gives us a far better underst anding of the condition of the yacht and how much care it has been given.

 

P.S  we are also in contact with Michel and Joel 

 

Regards

 

Steve

 

 


Re: Wet Cell Batteries

Ian Park
 

My battery knowledge is limited also. Personally I think it would be better to remove the weak battery rather than replace it. I only have 4 house batteries on my Santorin, but I had one poor one in Mindelo prior to crossing the Atlantic. I removed it ( to a grateful fisherman) and crossed with just 3. The although the notional capacity was less they charged up fully (and more quickly less amp hours). I bought 4 new ones in Martinique. Your bank will only charge up to the acceptance level of the weakest battery.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Wet Cell Batteries

greatketch@...
 

Duane,

You didn't mention how old your batteries are, or who made them.  With any voltage setting questions I always go to the manufacturer's literature as the primary source since different batteries are... well... different.  Not all flooded batteries are exactly the same.  A half gallon of water into 12 batteries over a month doesn't sound very excessive to me.  that's less than 30 ml/cell/month.

Equalization is an important part of getting certain types of batteries (especially flooded cell batteries) to live out their full life span. This is sometimes called "desulfateing."  It can be tough to get a good equalization charge using a solar system, but it can be done by bring them up to full before the brightest part of the day with the genset.  Again, your battery maker is a good source for what an equalization charge should look like and how to know how much is enough.  If one hour is not sufficient, you can just start another cycle right away.

Some battery makers recommend monitoring SG as a way of determining when the equalization charge is complete rather than using a time based recipe.

It is generally accepted that replacing one battery out of a set is bad practice.  Having batteries of significantly different ages means they are being charged very differently, and that it bad for the whole string.  Sometimes it can't be avoided, but in general it is a bad idea.

Check the connections, make sure they are all clean and tight.  Then do a full equalization charge, as per the makers recommendation, and see if those SG values come closer together. Then think about running an equalization as part of your standard maintenance program. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Little Harbor, Abaco, Bahamas

---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

I'm trying to understand the condition of our house battery bank.  I'm definitely not a battery expert.  We have the original Dolphin Battery Chargers (100A and 30A).  We use the 30A at the dock and the 100A with the generator.  We also have a Victron Blue Solar 100/30 with 630 watts of solar panels.  The installer set it at 28.8V Absorption and 27.6V Float (Position 2).


First:  The 12 Group 31 house batteries use about 0.5 gallons/month...is that excessive?  I'm wondering if the MPPT controller is overcharging the batteries.


Second:  How close to replacement are we?

I checked the specific gravity of all cells recently (see the attached spreadsheet).  I read that a new, fully charged cell should be at 1.265, and is discharged at a SG of 1.120.  The best cell tested at 1.265 and the weakest cell at 1.145 (corrected for temperature).  The average SG of all cells was 1.226.  This SG corresponds to 75% state of charge from what I read.  At SG of 1.190 the battery is at 50% SOC and battery #3 has three cells in that range.


Third:  Should I just replace Battery #3?


Fourth:  I've read that when the difference between cells in a battery is greater than 0.03,0 the batteries would benefit from equalization.  My Dolphin chargers are not adjustable (at least as far as I can tell).  The MPPT has an equalization function that will run for an hour.  Will that be sufficient?


Thanks for your input,

Duane 

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Wet Cell Batteries

greatketch@...
 




---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

I'm trying to understand the condition of our house battery bank.  I'm definitely not a battery expert.  We have the original Dolphin Battery Chargers (100A and 30A).  We use the 30A at the dock and the 100A with the generator.  We also have a Victron Blue Solar 100/30 with 630 watts of solar panels.  The installer set it at 28.8V Absorption and 27.6V Float (Position 2).


First:  The 12 Group 31 house batteries use about 0.5 gallons/month...is that excessive?  I'm wondering if the MPPT controller is overcharging the batteries.


Second:  How close to replacement are we?

I checked the specific gravity of all cells recently (see the attached spreadsheet).  I read that a new, fully charged cell should be at 1.265, and is discharged at a SG of 1.120.  The best cell tested at 1.265 and the weakest cell at 1.145 (corrected for temperature).  The average SG of all cells was 1.226.  This SG corresponds to 75% state of charge from what I read.  At SG of 1.190 the battery is at 50% SOC and battery #3 has three cells in that range.


Third:  Should I just replace Battery #3?


Fourth:  I've read that when the difference between cells in a battery is greater than 0.03,0 the batteries would benefit from equalization.  My Dolphin chargers are not adjustable (at least as far as I can tell).  The MPPT has an equalization function that will run for an hour.  Will that be sufficient?


Thanks for your input,

Duane 

Wanderer, SM#477


Wet Cell Batteries

Duane Siegfri
 

I'm trying to understand the condition of our house battery bank.  I'm definitely not a battery expert.  We have the original Dolphin Battery Chargers (100A and 30A).  We use the 30A at the dock and the 100A with the generator.  We also have a Victron Blue Solar 100/30 with 630 watts of solar panels.  The installer set it at 28.8V Absorption and 27.6V Float (Position 2).


First:  The 12 Group 31 house batteries use about 0.5 gallons/month...is that excessive?  I'm wondering if the MPPT controller is overcharging the batteries.


Second:  How close to replacement are we?

I checked the specific gravity of all cells recently (see the attached spreadsheet).  I read that a new, fully charged cell should be at 1.265, and is discharged at a SG of 1.120.  The best cell tested at 1.265 and the weakest cell at 1.145 (corrected for temperature).  The average SG of all cells was 1.226.  This SG corresponds to 75% state of charge from what I read.  At SG of 1.190 the battery is at 50% SOC and battery #3 has three cells in that range.


Third:  Should I just replace Battery #3?


Fourth:  I've read that when the difference between cells in a battery is greater than 0.03,0 the batteries would benefit from equalization.  My Dolphin chargers are not adjustable (at least as far as I can tell).  The MPPT has an equalization function that will run for an hour.  Will that be sufficient?


Thanks for your input,

Duane 

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Oh no...MOLD

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks Gary.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wanted: Amel sharki

Hajé Weisfelt
 

Dear Marnne,

We own a Sharki in Holland. Currently lying in Port Zélande for the winter races. As of march in Kortgene (province Zeeland) and summer in Friesland. In between a couple of times towards UK. 
If you're interested you can hop on for a trip Holland UK or vv. 

Please contact me at Hajukas on Gmail. hajukas@...

Cheers, Hajé Weisfelt, Charmed II, Sharki 104.

Op 25 jan. 2018 10:47 p.m. schreef "marnnebeech@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi everyone,

I'm looking to buy a Sharki and wondered if anyone knew of any for sale.

I am based in London and the only one I can find in Europe currently is in Greece, so quite the sail back home.

Also any info on major things to look out for when buying a Sharki would be very much appreciated.

Cheers,

Marnne