Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Alex aboard Nikimat
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Dear Amel friends,
I finally had the time, electricity and bandwidth to read the messages all of you sent. I can’t tell you how touched I truly am. Thanks you Bill & Judy, Eric, Mark, Kent, Danny, Ian, Derek, Jean-Pierre, John, Hanspeter, Jeff, Peter, Trevor, Giovanni, Alex, Grazyna, Darren, Brent, James & Chloe, Mike & Petra, Ben & Gayle, Patrick & Elaine, Ian & Judy, Colin & Lauren, I hope I did not forget anyone. Thanks Brent, I am glad I was able to help you in your studies. Patrick & Elaine thanks for opening a bottle of Champagne ! Colin & Lauren, thank you again, I saw a Maramu in Island Water World that lost its mast, I could not see the name. Also Rafael’s Super Maramu was in Anse Marcel, we are not sure. Also thanks for being behind me regarding the insurance, I am afraid this will be the next fight, will see. Duane & Peg, I am glad you only had 40/50kt of wind and Wanderer is safe! How did Jeff do? Sincerely, Alexandre
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Flight from Martinique to Colombia
ya_fohi
hi... we fly a lot. I do find the comparison websites to always give strange routing... 1st thing I do is google the direct flights from the airport I want to leave from and to the airport I want to go to. See any connections or areas in common and go from there. I would echo. If you are using 'budget airlines' or not on he same ticket then do consider a cheap hotel.
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Sharki 127 Solo Circumnavigation
hanoah64@...
I bought my Amel Sharki, #127, S/V Hanoah, in 2012. In April of this year I completed a two year solo circumnavigation, Panama westward and back to Panama. Actually I bought the boat specifically for a circumnavigation and ended up doing it alone.
Have you ever talked to a boat owner who didn't love his/her boat? Well, I am the same about my Sharki. She is a fabulous offshore boat. I sailed beam to a full gale approahing Durban and any boat not as stift would have rolled. Many of my companion boats complained of being wet while we crossed the Indian ocean and I was reasonably dry on Hanoah. The Indian Ocean crossing, Thusday Island to Mauritius, was weeks and weeks beam to trade wind seas.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.
Alexandre Uster von Baar
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I had some depressing days, still emotional when I visit daily NIKIMAT. Locally the situation is improving: aside for yesterday, half the time we have electricity, received fresh water, internet is good. I will put it aside from you, just unsure when Saint Martin/Sint Maarten will be open to boats. Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Sun, 9/17/17, Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@mac.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory. To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 9:09 AM I would love to purchase it Alex. I hope that you are finding the situation in St Maarten to be improving. Steve MorrisonSM 380 TouRai Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Good morning, Just for information, I have a spare in my hotel room. I purchase it from Amel Martinique 3 year ago. So if anyone is interested let me know. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Lost on September 5 during Hurricane Irma at IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 9/4/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory. To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, September 4, 2017, 9:28 PM Eric, You are lucky to have a new AFMA pump. We can no longer buy them. Best CW Bill RouseAdmiral, Texas NavyCommander EmeritusAmel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie StGalveston Island, TX 77550+1(832) 380-4970 On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:23 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Flight from Martinique to Colombia
Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
Hi Eric and Mark,
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I had the problem you described in your "caution note” coming form Southampton to Curacao just 2 days ago. I’d booked a mid day flight with 2 later flights available in order to assure my arrival in Amsterdam with a RON at the Hilton… then the weather did not cooperate and my flight was CNX’ed. The other flights were fully booked! So I had to train to Gatwick, AerLingus to Dublin, KLM Cityhopper to AMS at 0535 the next am, finally my KLM to Curacao with minutes to spare. (Slept on the granite floor at the airport in DUB) !!! NO FUN! I suspect Eric should first book the last flight in his plan then select connectors (with great caution) to get him into the connector airport. I expect he’d go to Carthagena. Cheers, Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM 007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.
Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
I would love to purchase it Alex. I hope that you are finding the situation in St Maarten to be improving. Steve Morrison SM 380 TouRai
On Sep 17, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Flight from Martinique to Colombia
Hi Eric,
We had the same issue trying to get someone from Atlanta (ATL) to Fort-de-France (FDF). All the web sites routed through Paris and started at $6,000. Crazy! We eventually realized that the airlines flying to Martinique are not partnered with most USA airlines. I guess it is the French way to stop American tourists.
We found if you ticket segments independently, you can fly from Fort-de-France (FDF) to Miami (MIA). From MIA you can fly just about anywhere in the world on a direct flight. This is crazy since there are direct American Airlines flights to FDF from MIA but these flights cannot be booked with connections to anywhere else in the USA.
Or the cheaper way: you can go to a larger Caribbean hub such as San Juan, PR (SJU) on Corsair and then to Bogota (BOG) on Avianca.
A word of caution when booking independent flight segments: It is best to book with a one night layover and pay for a hotel at the airport (or sleep at the airport). This is because if your first segment is very late and you miss the connection, you are out of luck and stuck. Because the airlines do not have any agreements, they will not rebook the connecting flight. Also, if someone goes from say FDF to MIA, they have to clear customs and immigration in MIA. They then have to go to the ticket counter and check in for the flight to BOG. Then, they may have to go back through security (unless the airline has a counter inside the terminal – most do). As you can imagine this all takes a lot of time. But, it’s better than having to connect through Paris and buying the airplane.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Grenada www.creampuff.us
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Hi does anyone have a brilliant idea ? It seems like you can’t get there from here , If you know the joke. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning,
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Just for information, I have a spare in my hotel room. I purchase it from Amel Martinique 3 year ago. So if anyone is interested let me know. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Lost on September 5 during Hurricane Irma at IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA --------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9/4/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory. To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, September 4, 2017, 9:28 PM Eric, You are lucky to have a new AFMA pump. We can no longer buy them. Best CW Bill RouseAdmiral, Texas NavyCommander EmeritusAmel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie StGalveston Island, TX 77550+1(832) 380-4970 On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:23 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: My Amfa domestic water pump was leaking.I removed the pump and found that the circlip that holds the pumps shaft seal was broken and worked its way into the side of the seal. I removed the seal and found it also had a small chip in it.I ordered the metric seal from a local supplier and also the circlip from McMaster.Being that I had a complete spare pump I installed it.The pump would not pump water. I added water in the output side of the pump and it flooded the bronze impeller.I was quire frustrated.I assumed there was something wrong with the new pumps impeller. I took it apart, everything was 100%.I was working on the saloon table and had the old pump next to the new one. Luckily I noticed that the Square D switch was wired backwards from the new switch. Thus the pump was running backwards. 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good afternoon Pat,
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I am slowly reading, in disorder, the Amel post and wanted to share my experience on the engine temperature. The gage was showing my engine was running 195*F, I thought it was 10*F higher than normal. So 3 years ago in Florida, a diesel company pushed me in spending over $8,000 in engine work over a 5 months period (heat exchanger cooling, re-calibrate injector, new turbo, thermostat, and so on) then my engine was running even warmer (205*F) (which we later find was due to an air pocket in the radiator - then I was glad to be back 195*F. The gage was tested and was ok. Then at the end I had a 2nd gage installed on the engine and it showed a 20*F cooler temperature… So looking back I think it was the “wire” between the sensor and the gage that was getting old and showing a false reading. Based on my experience and the fact you also have a 20*F difference between the gage and infrared gun, I suspect you have the same issue as I had. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Lost on September 5 during Hurricane Irma at IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA --------------------------------------------
On Sat, 9/16/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 16, 2017, 8:18 AM Mark, I for one agree , I wish I did not have a turbo, just another complexity , that is really not necessary . You brought up one other issue that I am dealing with , engine temperature . I had a new Volvo instrument panel installed a few years ago and the temp gauge ran hot like 230 F. The mechanic installed a 10 ohm resister I think, in the wiring to bring the reading down . Seemed very arbitrary to me , seemed to me a Volvo gauge should correctly read a Volvo sender without regulating the signal. So I have never had faith in the gauge and running hard 2500 rpm the gauge reads 225 F. , using a infrared gun at the thermostat I have had readings of 200 to 205 or higher . This is another reason I have ran slower to keep the temp. down. I clean the heat exchanger yearly ,transmission cooler, new impeller ,etc. I am not sure if I have an overheating problem or not , not sure what one would expect the temp to be at the thermostat , two different guns give me different readings and the gauge can't be trusted. Its always something, Pat SM#123 -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 5:05 pm Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs Pat, Salt water is the enemy. I am hoping someone else will chime in here as I am not familiar with the elbow and the exhaust set up on Volvo. You may be getting a fine mist or steam into the turbo. I am really not sure. On the Yanmar it is important to keep the elbow clean because carbon coated sides can aid to a back up of water into the turbo as the walls can retain water once the engine is stopped turning into salty steam. Keeping the exhaust manifolds clean is also a good thing. Yanmar makes a cleaner for turbos but soapy water can be used just as well. It involves two people, one to drive the boat above 2000 rpm and another to spray cleaner into the tubo (through the air intake) while it is turning at a high rate. This removes any carbon buildup from the turbo. Diesels do need to be run hard. We are all guilty of running for long hours at low RPM. They really don’t like this much. Push the throttle up for about 2-3 minutes every hour, or so. I push mine to about 2700-2800 rpm for about 2 minutes. This also helps to see if the engine is cooling properly (180-195). If the heat exchanger is clogged, this is when its going overheat. I get nervous about this every time I do it. I always expect a massive explosion and parts flying everywhere in the engine room. So far, this hasn’t happened. IMHO, turbo chargers have no place on a boat. The theory is to add more horses with less weight. I would take the weight over a turbo any day. I think this is a fine example of a manufacturer trying to adapt a land engine for a marine environment without thinking it through. And, the marine market is not large enough for a committed marine diesel engine company. How nice would it be to have a simple diesel engine with a compression release lever and a back up crank start. Kinda like the tractors of the old days. It’s a conspiracy to make things more complicated for sailors. But then again, what do I know. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 3:57 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs Mark , What would corrode the bearings , lack of oil or the carbon ?I just rebuilt the turbo 500 hrs. ago for about a thousand . I think I would prefer a naturally aspirated engine. I just got the wastegate free , but put it back together went for a spin , still at 2000 rpm tops. It must be the turbine , so I will take off and replace/rebuild it. That will now be about $2000 in the last 500 hrs. or about $4 per hour. , about the same as fuel. This is probably my fault for not running the engine hard enough . From now on , I am going to run the snot out of it, no more Mr. Nice Guy ! Thanks all for the input, Pat SM#123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Flight from Martinique to Colombia
Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
Hi Eric,
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Try this link… Cheers, Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM 007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading
Patrick McAneny
Bill, Thanks for the thermostat specs ,I was going to goggle them today. I am going to replace the thermostat , in case it is not opening all the way for some reason. To test the sender in boiling water , I guess I would need to but a cheap gauge at a parts store. Would degraded wiring or connection lower the gauge reading . We will look for you at the Boat show in Oct.
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Pat
-----Original Message----- From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Sat, Sep 16, 2017 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading Pat,
Have you tried taking your suspect temperature sender out of the engine, and sticking it in a pot of boiling water? If it does not read 212F--exactly--you then have learned for sure that it is not telling you the truth about your engine temperature.
These are themistors, and a bad connection in the wire loop can add enough resistance to the circuit that the temperature reads quite far off in a nonlinear way. I just traced a problem with a high oil pressure reading to that cause.
My TMD22 runs at 180F at idle and 195-200 at sustained cruising speed of 2400RPM (7 knots). 170-185 is Volvo's spec for first opening of the thermostat , and 197-208 is where is it is wide open.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Solomons Island, Maryland.
---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote : Mark, I for one agree , I wish I did not have a turbo, just another complexity , that is really not necessary . You brought up one other issue that I am dealing with , engine temperature . I had a new Volvo instrument panel installed a few years ago and the temp gauge ran hot like 230 F. The mechanic installed a 10 ohm resister I think, in the wiring to bring the reading down . Seemed very arbitrary to me , seemed to me a Volvo gauge should correctly read a Volvo sender without regulating the signal. So I have never had faith in the gauge and running hard 2500 rpm the gauge reads 225 F. , using a infrared gun at the thermostat I
have had readings of 200 to 205 or higher . This is another reason I have ran slower to keep the temp. down. I clean the heat exchanger yearly ,transmission cooler, new impeller ,etc. I am not sure if I have an overheating problem or not , not sure what one would expect the temp to be at the thermostat , two different guns give me different readings and the gauge can't be trusted.
Its always something,
Pat
SM#123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurricane Maria
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Eric and Amel owners,
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I just look at the models. I don’t think, here in Sint Maarten, we are going to fell much of it, except lots of rain and may be 60 or 70 mph wind. The eye should be 60 NM South of us, so nothing comparable to the direct hit we have been through with the sustain 185 mph. It is going on Guadeloupe or between Guadeloupe and Dominica, they are the ones to worry about. I do feel bad for Turks & Caicos because they are likely to be hit again. Depending of the models Puerto Rico could have some damaged on the South as well as Samana in the Dominican Republic. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Lost on the 5th of September during Hurricane Irma at IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA --------------------------------------------
On Sun, 9/17/17, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurricane Maria To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 2:00 AM I don’t know if any of you have been tracking Hurricane Maria. Looks bad for St Marten and the surrounding islands.I HOPE IT MOVES AWAY !!!Fair WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Hurricane Maria
eric freedman
I don’t know if any of you have been tracking Hurricane Maria. Looks bad for St Marten and the surrounding islands. I HOPE IT MOVES AWAY !!! Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Flight from Martinique to Colombia
eric freedman
Hi does anyone have a brilliant idea ? It seems like you can’t get there from here , If you know the joke. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading
greatketch@...
Pat, Have you tried taking your suspect temperature sender out of the engine, and sticking it in a pot of boiling water? If it does not read 212F--exactly--you then have learned for sure that it is not telling you the truth about your engine temperature. These are themistors, and a bad connection in the wire loop can add enough resistance to the circuit that the temperature reads quite far off in a nonlinear way. I just traced a problem with a high oil pressure reading to that cause. My TMD22 runs at 180F at idle and 195-200 at sustained cruising speed of 2400RPM (7 knots). 170-185 is Volvo's spec for first opening of the thermostat , and 197-208 is where is it is wide open. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Solomons Island, Maryland. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote : Mark, I for one agree , I wish I did not have a turbo, just another complexity , that is really not necessary . You brought up one other issue that I am dealing with , engine temperature . I had a new Volvo instrument panel installed a few years ago and the temp gauge ran hot like 230 F. The mechanic installed a 10 ohm resister I think, in the wiring to bring the reading down . Seemed very arbitrary to me , seemed to me a Volvo gauge should correctly read a Volvo sender without regulating the signal. So I have never had faith in the gauge and running hard 2500 rpm the gauge reads 225 F. , using a infrared gun at the thermostat I have had readings of 200 to 205 or higher . This is another reason I have ran slower to keep the temp. down. I clean the heat exchanger yearly ,transmission cooler, new impeller ,etc. I am not sure if I have an overheating problem or not , not sure what one would expect the temp to be at the thermostat , two different guns give me different readings and the gauge can't be trusted. Its always something, Pat SM#123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading
greatketch@...
Fortunately, I am not in the market for a new engine (yet!), but it is one of those things I keep an eye on because it can come up suddenly when dealing with an aging powerplant. (7400 hours and counting)
I dislike the idea of a turbo for all the reasons listed by other people here, and some more too. I find the turbo charged engine to be very unresponsive in close quarters maneuvering. Power is low until the RPM builds up to engage the turbo which happens in an unpredictable amount of time after I throttle up--and always too late. In a strong head wind and steep chop the 75HP turbo has trouble getting enough rev's to generate the power it needs to get up the power curve far enough to drive the boat. BUT.... A Volvo D2-75 turbo engine weighs 582 pounds (264 kg). And the Yanmar 4JH4 turbo weighs only 482 pounds. Beta Marine sells a naturally aspirated 75 HP engine based on a Kubota block. A nice engine with a lot of good history. It has a nearly identical footprint to the Volvo and is even available with an isolated ground option. Looks like a very nice engine for a SM (And here is the "but", and it is a big one)... it weighs 911 pounds (414 kg)!!! I'll put up with the complications of a turbo to avoid carrying an extra 450 pounds in my boat. I'll still whine unattractively about the turbo, but that is a LOT of weight. Unless somebody knows about a 600 pound naturally aspirated 75HP marine diesel. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Solomons Island, Maryland
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading
Patrick McAneny
Mark, I for one agree , I wish I did not have a turbo, just another complexity , that is really not necessary . You brought up one other issue that I am dealing with , engine temperature . I had a new Volvo instrument panel installed a few years ago and the temp gauge ran hot like 230 F. The mechanic installed a 10 ohm resister I think, in the wiring to bring the reading down . Seemed very arbitrary to me , seemed to me a Volvo gauge should correctly read a Volvo sender without regulating the signal. So I have never had faith in the gauge and running hard 2500 rpm the gauge reads 225 F. , using a infrared gun at the thermostat I have had readings of 200 to 205 or higher . This is another reason I have ran slower to keep the temp. down. I clean the heat exchanger yearly ,transmission cooler, new impeller ,etc. I am not sure if I have an overheating problem or not , not sure what one would expect the temp to be at the thermostat , two different guns give me different readings and the gauge can't be trusted.
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Its always something, Pat SM#123
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From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 5:05 pm Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs Pat, Salt water isthe enemy. I am hoping someone else will chime in here as I am not familiarwith the elbow and the exhaust set up on Volvo. You may be getting a fine mist orsteam into the turbo. I am really not sure. On the Yanmarit is important to keep the elbow clean because carbon coated sides can aid toa back up of water into the turbo as the walls can retain water once the engineis stopped turning into salty steam. Keeping the exhaust manifolds clean is alsoa good thing. Yanmar makes acleaner for turbos but soapy water can be used just as well. It involves twopeople, one to drive the boat above 2000 rpm and another to spray cleaner intothe tubo (through the air intake) while it is turning at a high rate. Thisremoves any carbon buildup from the turbo. Diesels do needto be run hard. We are all guilty of running for long hours at low RPM. They reallydon’t like this much. Push the throttle up for about 2-3 minutes every hour, orso. I push mine to about 2700-2800 rpm for about 2 minutes. This also helps tosee if the engine is cooling properly (180-195). If the heat exchanger isclogged, this is when its going overheat. I get nervous about this every time Ido it. I always expect a massive explosion and parts flying everywhere in theengine room. So far, this hasn’t happened. IMHO, turbochargers have no place on a boat. The theory is to add more horses with lessweight. I would take the weight over a turbo any day. I think this is a fineexample of a manufacturer trying to adapt a land engine for a marine environmentwithout thinking it through. And, the marine market is not large enough for acommitted marine diesel engine company. How nice would it be to have a simple dieselengine with a compression release lever and a back up crank start. Kinda likethe tractors of the old days. It’s a conspiracy to make things more complicatedfor sailors. But then again, what do I know. With bestregards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel- Cream Puff www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 3:57 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs Mark, What would corrode the bearings , lack of oil or the carbon ?I justrebuilt the turbo 500 hrs. ago for about a thousand . I think I would prefer anaturally aspirated engine. I just got the wastegate free , but putit back together went for a spin , still at 2000 rpm tops. It must be theturbine , so I will take off and replace/rebuild it. That will now be about$2000 in the last 500 hrs. or about $4 per hour. , about the same as fuel. Thisis probably my fault for not running the engine hard enough . From now on , Iam going to run the snot out of it, no more Mr. Nice Guy ! Thanks all for the input, Pat SM#123 -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners]<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 2:03 pm Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs Pat, I am going to be the bearer ofbad news here. The blades should turn with the lightest touch. The fact yoursdon’t means the bearings are corroded. I do not know of a magic spray that canfix this. The turbo is going to have to be rebuilt or replaced. Ouch. Sorry. But, on the bright side, youhave solved your problem. Check a local shop for arebuild quote. If you are good with tools, you can buy rebuild kits on ebay.Youtube has videos of how to rebuild a turbo. If it were me, I’d take it to ashop for a quote. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:24 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs Mark, I just got inside the turbo, the wastegate will not open , I just put PB blaster on the outside to see ifit loosens up , the turbine turns , but not easily , not as easy as I wouldexpect. I was wondering if there was any product that would be safe to spray onthe turbine to free it up. Thanks, Pat -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 12:46 pm Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs Pat, You have too little powerbecause you have the incorrect mixture of air and fuel in the cylinder. Once you get the turbo off, youshould be able to look into the turbo and see the blades. The blades shouldturn with a very slight touch. If this is the case, chances are the turbo canbe salvaged. If the blades are corroded and stuck, I would expect to see hugeamounts of black smoke as you rev up the engine with a load. I am hoping yourissue is just not this serious and the turbo can be repaired by a local shop. One more thought, perhaps youcan put some penetrating lubricant on the lever of the waste gate. Try to getit lose. Work it open and closed until it is smooth. I wonder if it could bethis easy J. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:02 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs Mark , Thank you you have been abig help. Disconnected , the lever to the wastegate does not move , so I nowknow I have a problem in the turbo. I am guessing it is stuck closed. If closedI would think I would have too much power , not to little , unless the turboitself is not spinning , stuck. Thanks, Pat -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 11:36 am Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs Hi Pat, I am not sure. You have reachthe limit of my knowledge about this. The fact the lever is seized is a problem.The symptoms of this not working correctly would be as you have described.However, I am unfamiliar with the turbo you have. I would suggest at this pointtaking the turbo off and having a rebuild shop look at it. There are only acouple of manufactures of turbo in the world so they will know it when they seeit. Once the lever is disconnectedthe gate or lever on the housing of the turbo should easily open and close thewaste gate inside the turbo. The resistance comes from the tension in the actuator(round thing). With the rod disconnected, doesthe rod move in and out of the actuator? Is it the lever on the turbo housingthat is stuck? You might be able to replace just the actuator. If the corrosionis in the turbo, this is more costly. You will want to have the wastegate set to Volvo specs. The wrong adjustment here can cause serious damage tothe engine. Again, sorry I am not that familiar with the Volvo. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:40 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs I disconnected the arm/rod fromthe wastegate lever, I was able to push to rod towards theactuator slightly . I put vise grips on the wastegate lever and wasnot able with great effort , to move it more than 1/32 of an inch . Should Inot be able to move the lever and open and close the gate by hand? The lever ispointing straight forward , would that be open or closed? What would preventthe gate from moving ? Hate to ask all these questions, but I don't know the answers . Thanks, Pat SM123 -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 9:11 am Subject: RE: [Amel YachtOwners] RPMs Pat, From what you describe, I amassuming you have an external waste gate. Here is a youtube video that should giveyou an idea of how it should move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2i_bQBEP78 You should be able to move therod a little by hand to see if it is seized. One other thought, is the hoseto the waste gate in good condition? With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:20 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AmelYacht Owners] RPMs Mark, So you are saying , that Ishould easily be able to move the lever arm and the connected rod on the turbo? I could not move it at all . With the engine running and as I push thethrottle up , what should I expect to see , would there be a noticeablemovement ? This could be it , maybe the gate is stuck open or closed , whichwould have to impact rpms.I will disconnect the arm and see if I can move the lever on the turbo .If I can , then maybe the problem is with the circular part that the arm isconnected to. I don,tunderstand what this part does. Does it expand and contract , thus moving thearm/lever ? I appreciate you taking your time to help me sort this out. I havea friend that had a beautiful 45' Cabo Rico , he has said manytimes , he wished they had a group such as we do , to help sort problems out .The Amel group is perhapsone of the best reasons for purchasing an Amel. Thanks Again, Pat SMShenanigans -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 14, 201710:13 pm Subject: RE: [Amel YachtOwners] RPMs Pat, Forgot to say, yes you shouldbe able to move it easily. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:00 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AmelYacht Owners] RPMs Mark, The prop is clean , thelinkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on anyfuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe ateaspoon total. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls thewaste gate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could notmove the rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ? Thanks, Pat SM#123 -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm Subject: RE: [Amel YachtOwners] RPMs Pat, the fact you can get to3000rpm in neutral doesn’ttell us much. It is the load that is causing the problem. The engine is notgenerating enough energy to offset the applied load. Fuel is energy. Thisusually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel is needed to create thehorsepower. Where you able to get to 3000rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to tryto fix the issue? Here are some additionalthoughts on fuel: Do you have a lift pump forfuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm, Air in fuel lines (connectionsloose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can. O-rings sitting correctly onfuel filter give a good seal? If you changed the fuel filteris the new one sitting correctly and sealed? A couple of other thoughts: Check for blockage in exhausthose (not enough air to burn fuel) I know you said you cleaned theprop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishingline) Let’s hope it is something thissimple J With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff -SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Grenada www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AmelYacht Owners] RPMs Mark, Thanks for getting back . Iused the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forwardwell beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seems to runsmoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ? Is thefact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything? Thanks, Pat -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm Subject: RE: [Amel YachtOwners] RPMs Pat, Here is a great page to giveyou some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/ White smoke is usually a signof not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke isusually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not thinkit is an indication. Also, another common issue mostpeople do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down tothe engine an manually move the throttle? Else, I would start with thefuel system and work from there. “replaced both fuelfilters” did you replace them with the same type? Tubofailure will usually pump out black smoke. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff -SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Grenada www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:50 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AmelYacht Owners] RPMs I have not been able to get above2200 rpms , normally Ihave always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my Volvo TMD 22A . I justcleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , still won't go beyond 2200 rpm. It willget above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice a little white smoke. Any thoughtson what could cause the limited rpmsin gear . I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I just read that the military haslanded in the BVIs and St.Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief to those stuck there . Ourthoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma. Thanks, Pat SMShenanigans
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: motors for outhaul and furling
Bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
Thanks Kent!
On Sep 15, 2017, at 11:15 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: motors for outhaul and furling
Bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
Great! Thanks for getting back to me. Bob
On Sep 15, 2017, at 7:21 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genacker
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Paul, Maybe this will help: Luff of Amel SM Genoa = 16.98 meters, Foot = 6.25 meters Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool. 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 4:59 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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