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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

Mark Erdos
 

Willem,

 

The furling does take a little bit of getting use to it. If you are trying to pull out the sail and it gets stuck at the top while coming out of the mast, the trick is to turn the furling winch the other way (furling it back into the mast) while keeping the outhaul tight. Work the furling back and forth a little bit and it will come loose. This is true with both the main and the mizzen mast. On the main sail, do not over strain the motors. Keep the outhaul snug and slowly furl in and out. It will come loose. Sometimes it will come out a little bit at a time but keep going back and forth and it will all come out.

 

When furling the sail, it is important to keep the outhaul in pace with the furling. On the mizzen, tail the furling line and keep it a little snug. On the main, watch that the outhaul does not outpace the furling. If you have to stop the outhaul and let the furling catch up keeping the main snug while furling.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Purto Rico

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:37 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

 

 

Just arrived in the Netherlands from Denmark. We had a nice sail, but a problem occured with the mizzen. I could not unfurl the whole sail. It seems to be jammed in the upper part of the mizzen mast. First question: how to get it out? Second question: What is the right procedure to fuel and unfurl the mizzen? I noticed that on the winches you can't see the the furling inside the mast profile.
Please advise me.
.

Willem Kroes

SM 351 'Kavanga'


Re: Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

Paul Osterberg
 

It is important  to pull out the sail not #furl out# the sail. If it get jamed, try to furl it tight then pull out a little bit, as soon its jam again, furl tight again, then pull out a little bit again etc it usually unfurl after a few repetitions.
If that does not help try to unfurl without pulling, but just a rew or two then furl tight again, try that a few times and then pull out repet as nessesary. After a while it will unfurl totaly.
We have battens in our sail now since a year ago and it have never jamed
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Quiz: Mystery boat lines

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Liz and Steve,

these lines were supposed to be rigged at the end of the first spreaders on main mast. They were supporting a pulley that drives and supports the poles topping lifts.
Next question is : How can you rigg the topping lift now?
If you have replaced your standing rigging with an ACMO one, you probably got top shrouds or intermediate shrouds with a small swaged part that is supposed to support the pulleys that bear the topping lifts.

The big loop was set around the shroud and above the spreader, the small loop was carrying the pulley's shackle.
A lot of SM still have their pole's topping lifts supported this way.

Look up and tell me what you see.
Too bad for the beer, I will be soon in Martinique but will not go further to Aruba.

Olivier.


On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:14 PM, "flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Does anyone know what these two identical lines in the photo linked below are used for?

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/78227788

Hints:

1) They're each approx 5 feet long.
2) The loop on one end is larger than the loop on the other end.
3) The larger of the two loops on each line is stained slightly brick-ish or orange-pink.
4) They're from our 1992-vintage SM.

Winner gets appreciation, satisfaction in the knowledge that they did a good deed, and a cold beer next time they're anchored near Aloha.

Liz and Steve Davis
S/V Aloha, SM72
Currently in Aruba.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Willem,

Is it possible that your sails have vertical battens? Some SM owners added vertical battens.

If you do not have vertical battens, I suggest that 1 crew member goes aloft to the point of the jam and observe while another crew member operates the furler and outhaul in and out. Your sail is probably "backlashed" and folded over itself. This was probably caused by NOT tailing the outhaul while furling the furler.

Of course, you can hire a sailmaker or rigger to help you.

If you do have vertical battens, I suggest that you hire a sailmaker to help you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  
720 Winnie Street
Galveston Island, Texas 77550 USA



On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 12:36 PM, kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Just arrived in the Netherlands from Denmark. We had a nice sail, but a problem occured with the mizzen. I could not unfurl the whole sail. It seems to be jammed in the upper part of the mizzen mast. First question: how to get it out? Second question: What is the right procedure to fuel and unfurl the mizzen? I noticed that on the winches you can't see the the furling inside the mast profile.
Please advise me.
.

Willem Kroes

SM 351 'Kavanga'



Re: Pump out of black water Tank meeter?

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you all, It looks as a rather easy fix, but a little messy activity,.
Have anyone instslled the Gobius tank meeter? One attache the sensors outside the tank. To me it looks as the tank is "enkapsulated" so im not sure ut eill work.

Thank's Paul on S/Y Kerpa


Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

Willem Kroes
 

Just arrived in the Netherlands from Denmark. We had a nice sail, but a problem occured with the mizzen. I could not unfurl the whole sail. It seems to be jammed in the upper part of the mizzen mast. First question: how to get it out? Second question: What is the right procedure to fuel and unfurl the mizzen? I noticed that on the winches you can't see the the furling inside the mast profile.
Please advise me.
.

Willem Kroes

SM 351 'Kavanga'


Quiz: Mystery boat lines

Stephen Davis
 

Does anyone know what these two identical lines in the photo linked below are used for?

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/78227788

Hints:

1) They're each approx 5 feet long.
2) The loop on one end is larger than the loop on the other end.
3) The larger of the two loops on each line is stained slightly brick-ish or orange-pink.
4) They're from our 1992-vintage SM.

Winner gets appreciation, satisfaction in the knowledge that they did a good deed, and a cold beer next time they're anchored near Aloha.

Liz and Steve Davis
S/V Aloha, SM72
Currently in Aruba.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GPS signal loss

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gary,

The most common problem with Furuno GPSs is the antenna fails. I went through 3 antennas in 11 years. Always had a spare on board...they are less than $100USD.

Have you tried replacing the antenna?

I also had the internal battery fail in one of the two Furuno GPSs we had on #387. It is soldered in place. I had a Furuno guy replace it.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
720 Winnie Street
Galveston Island, Texas 77550 USA








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pump out of black water

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Here is what I use:
http://nikimat.com/pump_out_hose.html

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA


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On Wed, 5/24/17, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pump out of black water
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2017, 8:23 AM


 









In Europe they use a long tube to evacuate
the holding tank with suction. In North America there is a
stand pipe inside the tank that takes the standard pump out
fitting and evacuates the pump from the bottom. You can make
a tube out of PVC and put the "deck" fitting on
the end of it and use that to empty your tank shoreside.
Kinda messy/icky/stinky to store after using it
...Installing a stand pipe that goes near to the
tank bottom is possible but not for faint hearts. A crappy
job for sure.

Joel F.
PotterTHE EXPERIENCED AMEL
GUY954-812-2485
On May 24,
2017, at 9:10 AM, @Kerpa
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Hello, just realize that the Amel pump out fitting
is not compatible with the system used in The Chesapeak
area. Anyone have encountered that and made some simple
solution for a coupling?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259 in a cold and very rainy but
friendly Norfolk


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pump out of black water

amelforme
 

Sorry, instead of evacuates the PUMP from the bottom. Should have been TANK. 

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On May 24, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In Europe they use a long tube to evacuate the holding tank with suction. In North America there is a stand pipe inside the tank that takes the standard pump out fitting and evacuates the pump from the bottom. You can make a tube out of PVC and put the "deck" fitting on the end of it and use that to empty your tank shoreside. Kinda messy/icky/stinky to store after using it ...
Installing a stand pipe that goes near to the tank bottom is possible but not for faint hearts. A crappy job for sure.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On May 24, 2017, at 9:10 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello, just realize that the Amel pump out fitting is not compatible with the system used in The Chesapeak area. Anyone have encountered that and made some simple solution for a coupling?
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259 in a cold and very rainy but friendly Norfolk


Re: Pump out of black water

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

On your Amel somewhere you should have an adapter with a hose attached to it. The hose goes into the tank and the adapter should match the pump out facility’s connector. You will have to have the person doing the pump out remove the standard rubber suction thing from their hose (easy to do). You will then see the connected end of this matches your connector.

 

If you do not have these parts, here is a source (you will have to add hose so it reached the bottom of your tank: https://www.edsonpumps.com/portable-toilet-pump-out-adapter-potty-wand/

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Puerto Rico

www.creampuff.us


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pump out of black water

amelforme
 

In Europe they use a long tube to evacuate the holding tank with suction. In North America there is a stand pipe inside the tank that takes the standard pump out fitting and evacuates the pump from the bottom. You can make a tube out of PVC and put the "deck" fitting on the end of it and use that to empty your tank shoreside. Kinda messy/icky/stinky to store after using it ...
Installing a stand pipe that goes near to the tank bottom is possible but not for faint hearts. A crappy job for sure.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On May 24, 2017, at 9:10 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello, just realize that the Amel pump out fitting is not compatible with the system used in The Chesapeak area. Anyone have encountered that and made some simple solution for a coupling?
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259 in a cold and very rainy but friendly Norfolk


Pump out of black water

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello, just realize that the Amel pump out fitting is not compatible with the system used in The Chesapeak area. Anyone have encountered that and made some simple solution for a coupling?
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259 in a cold and very rainy but friendly Norfolk


GPS signal loss

Gary Wells
 

Adagio quit telling me where we are.... No signal from the GPS to the plotter.
I was wondering if anyone had tried to dismantle the GPS receiver/antenna (Furuno GP-320B) or if there is an expected signal I can somehow trace/measure/find comping back from the receiver.
It is properly powered, at least at the Plotter end of things.
It displayed intermittent loss of signal for a few days, and I thought I'd found a loose connection but apparently there's more to it as now there are no satellites being received at all.

It ~looks~ like I should be able to pry the thing apart but if there's an easier way I'll do that. New ones are still available, but a little pricey and we're kind of hopping around from island to island now.

Thanks in advance,

Gary W.
S/V Adagio
Ios, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

Gary Wells
 

Hey, just caught the part in the conversation where you mentioned that the previous owner had provided jumper cables and that is was ok "for a short time" to jump the starter battery from the house batteries.

Maybe I missed it getting said, but DON'T jumper 24v to the 12v battery, not even for a moment.
Always split one set of house batteries apart and isolate them into 2x12v's and jumper from one of those.

Sorry if that was already understood or mentioned; just wanted to make sure you knew.

On another note, I have a trickle charger connected to the starter battery and it will keep it topped up whenever we are using the Inverter (mostly on shore power).

Gary W.
SM209, Adagio
Ios, Greece


Re: alternators and house batteries

Gary Wells
 

Hey, just caught the part in the conversation where you mentioned that the previous owner had provided jumper cables and that is was ok "for a short time" to jump the starter battery from the house batteries.
Maybe I missed it getting said, but DON'T jumper 24v to the 12v battery, not even for a moment.
Always split one set of house batteries apart and isolate them into 2x12v's and jumper from one of those.
Sorry if that was already understood or mentioned; just wanted to make sure you knew.
On another note, I have a trickle charger connected to the starter battery and it will keep it topped up whenever we are using the Inverter. So, efficient pathway??; Genset makes 220vac which powers the Dolphin charger which makes 24vdc to charge the house batteries which powers the Xantrex inverter which makes 110vac and powers the trickle charger which makes 12vdc to charge the starter battery so I can run the genset :).

Gary W.
SM209, Adagio
Ios, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Dear Olivier

As always than you so much for your wealth of knowledge!

Hope to meet you one day!

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Wed, 5/24/17, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2017, 4:19 AM


 









Good
morning to you all happy genoa users,
originally,
on Santorins, Super Maramus, Amel 54s, when you want to
unfurl the genoa, you have to PULL the toggle
switch.The
philosophy (Captain Amel's) is that it is like when you
unfurl a manual genoa, you PULL the sheet.Same
for the mainsail, when you deploy it, you PULL the furler
toggle switch and you PULL the out-haul motor switch (like
the graphic shows on the switch board).
When
you reef, you PUSH forward. This is the AMEL
logic.Does
it tell you which way the foils turn? NO.
Originally,
the foils turn anti-clockwise when reefing and clockwise
when deploying.
The
genoa anti-UV stripe did not come as a standard until
2000.Then,
the anti-UV stripe was installed on the starboard side of
the genoa.
Most
of your boats don't have the original genoa anymore.
Some of you have been replacing the
switches/relays/wiring/motors and maybe with inverted
connections, which would explain why some of you reef their
genoa clockwise or pushing the switch.
If
you want to keep your AMEL as original, keep the
anti-clockwise reefing way and the switch to reef when you
pull it.
Remember
Captain Amel was almost blind and wouldn't have liked
that someone changes the way he reefed his
genoa!!!
For
those who have a genoa with the anti-UV stripe on portside,
you can keep on reefing clockwise. I don't see a problem
about that.
Olivier


On Wednesday, May 24,
2017 12:24 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



 









Hi John.  Mine is on the Starbord
side, pushing the control knob foreword to furl and aft to
unfurl.  There were no sails on Kristy when I bought her,
but I'm guessing it was the same on the original sail
because of how the switch works. I don't think it makes
any difference.  If you want it to furl when pushing the
knob forward, just switch positions of the wires going to
the switch.

Kent
RobertsonS/V Kristy
karkauai@...
cell: +507-61171896USA cell:
828-234-6819
On May 23,
2017, at 10:12 AM, johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
wrote:
















 






Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker
that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the
original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any
other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what
side the suncover is on the genoa.



Thanks

John Abercombie

SM391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Beaute Olivier
 

Good morning to you all happy genoa users,

originally, on Santorins, Super Maramus, Amel 54s, when you want to unfurl the genoa, you have to PULL the toggle switch.
The philosophy (Captain Amel's) is that it is like when you unfurl a manual genoa, you PULL the sheet.
Same for the mainsail, when you deploy it, you PULL the furler toggle switch and you PULL the out-haul motor switch (like the graphic shows on the switch board).

When you reef, you PUSH forward. This is the AMEL logic.
Does it tell you which way the foils turn? NO.

Originally, the foils turn anti-clockwise when reefing and clockwise when deploying.

The genoa anti-UV stripe did not come as a standard until 2000.
Then, the anti-UV stripe was installed on the starboard side of the genoa.

Most of your boats don't have the original genoa anymore. Some of you have been replacing the switches/relays/wiring/motors and maybe with inverted connections, which would explain why some of you reef their genoa clockwise or pushing the switch.

If you want to keep your AMEL as original, keep the anti-clockwise reefing way and the switch to reef when you pull it.

Remember Captain Amel was almost blind and wouldn't have liked that someone changes the way he reefed his genoa!!!

For those who have a genoa with the anti-UV stripe on portside, you can keep on reefing clockwise. I don't see a problem about that.

Olivier



On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:24 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi John.  Mine is on the Starbord side, pushing the control knob foreword to furl and aft to unfurl.  There were no sails on Kristy when I bought her, but I'm guessing it was the same on the original sail because of how the switch works. I don't think it makes any difference.  If you want it to furl when pushing the knob forward, just switch positions of the wires going to the switch.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 23, 2017, at 10:12 AM, johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:

 
Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interfacing B&G Analogue displays to Raymarine system

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Terry,

The short answer to your question is yes. I can help you, but I need to know exactly what you want to accomplish, and all of the modifications that you have installed. It is probably easier for you to find a Raymarine tech that is familiar with NMEA interfacing of non-Raymarine devices.

For instance, one of the many things that I was able to do was to display with 2" high digital numbers the Depth on the Raymarine 7001+ Control Head. The source for the Depth information was the B&G FFD NMEA OUT.

I have attached a page from my Amel School book which may give you some idea of some of the possibilities.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

karkauai
 

Hi John.  Mine is on the Starbord side, pushing the control knob foreword to furl and aft to unfurl.  There were no sails on Kristy when I bought her, but I'm guessing it was the same on the original sail because of how the switch works. I don't think it makes any difference.  If you want it to furl when pushing the knob forward, just switch positions of the wires going to the switch.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 23, 2017, at 10:12 AM, johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391