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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

Dan Carlson
 

Hi All,   I am still processing all of my learnings from our 1st hurricane season on the hard in Trinidad with BeBe, but I will add my specific experience with batteries as it is appropriate to this thread. 

Twelve new DECA group 31 105 amp/hr, 650CCA, "Sealed" lead acid marine batteries were installed on VBeBe in December 2016 (so only 6 months old when we hauled).  
- I checked all the batteries at the time of haul out and all checked out "ok" with full charge and over 600CCA on my battery tester. 
- The batteries were floated at 27.2v all summer, during the day, with solar panels (Victron Energy Blue Solar MPPT) - the boat minder sent photos each month of the charge level on the xantrex. 
- On return at the end of November the tester showed full charge level, but CCA's measured were in the high 400's to low 500's. Significantly worse then how I had left them.  Seven were flagged as "failing".  
- I peeled back the seals over the caps and checked the cells and the water levels were just millimeters above the plates (several cells had the very top of the plates exposed.)   I refilled the cells with distilled water to the proper fill level.  This consumed nearly 4 gallons of water for 12 batteries!! 
- Since then I have charged each morning and evening with the 100amp charger to 100%, with the solar being close to maintaining charge during the day. 
- With two refrigerators and  one freezer running, plus a few lights, sometimes a fan we will use approx 50 - 60 amp hours from 9pm until 7am.    The Xantrex shows that as approx 92% remaining charge.  The voltage (with about 4-5 amp/hr load will be at about 24.8-24.9volts at 7am.  (not sure how that compares to actually charge remaining, as it is not a 'resting' voltage measurement. 
- After two weeks of this cycling of the batteries I retested all of the "bad" batteries and the CCA had increased by more that 50, so that all are now near or above 550CCA.   

Those are the facts, here are some of my thoughts: 
1)  At first I thought that I had totally toasted my nearly new battery bank (very  depressing start to season!), but I have been very relieved with the recovery.  I'm not sure how to estimate the damage that has been done. 
2) Hindsight and research seems to confirm that 27.2 volts is to high a float voltage for the hot tropics.  There are some calculations that can be done and then I need to research how I can adjust my MPPT controller for the next summer.   Other's experience?  Float levels used in tropics for long term storage?
 I realized that although I was monitoring my batteries with the Xantrex every day (morning & evening) I was not writing anything down, and in fact I have not seen much discussion about what are the critical parameters to monitor and record to have objective data on performance.   I am now trying to record the morning levels (before sun hits the panels).  I record from the Xantrex, the voltage, the accumulated CCA (I've ended each day so far with a charge of 98-100%.  I hope that this will allow me to more accurately track the performance.   Would like to hear what others record and see any factual sharing/comparing of performance.  What guidelines do you use for sulfanation decisions, etc. 
3) Sealed, maintenance free lead acid batteries are a miss-nomer.  Watch the water level in them as well.  

I am sure that there is much more to learn in this area.  I will also share learnings in other areas (moisture  control, pest control, checklists, when I have time to process them)

Regards,  Dan &  Lori Carlson,  SM#387,  sv BeBe 




On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:58 AM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Danny , I have been able to keep my batteries in the 85 to 100% charge zone and when on the mooring 100% for long periods. Do batteries still degrade when generally kept in the 90 to 100% range. I too have wet cell , always have for the last 35 years , and see no reason I would switch out for a more expensive / complex system.
Happy Holidays,
Pat 


-----Original Message-----
From: simms@... [amelyachtowners] To: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Mon, Dec 11, 2017 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

 
Hi again Pat, after I get to the boat in the next few days I will post photos of the hand book and the graph of the desulphation program. Basically it is a controlled period of seriously high voltage over charging. A lot of gas given off. Caps off the batteries and the battery compartment lid closed and no naked flames any where near. Would be impossible in a boat without a closed and vented battery compartment.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
Sent from my Vodafone Smart
On 12 Dec 2017 11:11, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Danny, Do you use your solar panels to disulfide your batteries ? My solar reg. has that option.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 11, 2017 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

 
Hi Mark,
Those batteries were 12 six volt golf cart type bought from West Marine in Newport Rhode Island. After 4 years I was on the point of replacing them when through the input of another cruiser I found my dolphin desulphation program. When sulphates build up on the plates the charge has to be "pushed" through this layer, the thicker it is the more resistance there is. What you will notice is that when charging they come up to "full " charge quickly, but then don't hold the charge. This is because the charge did not make it fully into the plates. There is nothing wrong with the plates, the charge just didn't get in there.
So how often did I desulphate? When I noticed this effect becoming prominent. 
I do believe the solar panels and the wind generator are a big part of getting a long life. I have talked to cruisers who have got 10 years plus from lead acid by using desulphation so perhaps rather than searching for the &# 34;right" battery the answer is to have chargers that provide an effective desulphation program, and apply it correctly. Maintenance. Keep them well watered all the time and keep terminals and connections clean and making good contact. 
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 12 December 2017 at 05:18 "mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Danny,

8 years is an incredibly long time for any batteries to last, let alone relatively inexpensive flooded lead acid batteries.  What type and brand battery were they?  How often did you run the desulphation program?  Is it possible for you to share your entire "battery care regimen" with the forum either via a post or an uploaded f ile?  I would find it incredibly useful and I'm sure others would too.

Thanks,
Mark McGovern
SM#440 Cara
Deale, MD USA 
 

 



Amel Owners Italian Chapter

Massimo Vecchietti
 

On facebook there is a new group : AMEL YACHT OWNERS ITALIAN CHAPTER
Max
SM Patchouli  II  n 84

Mail priva di virus. www.avast.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

greatketch@...
 

32 Volts is pretty typical for equalizing/desulphating flooded cells.  

Trojan recommends 32.4, and Rolls 31.6

Others manufacturers, like East Penn (Dekka) recommend constant current charging for desulphating an aging battery. Few marine battery chargers can do a constant current charge...

Lifeline is one of very few AGM makers that recommend a desulphating regime, at 30.5 volts for 8 hours.  I have seen that do a great job at refreshing our bank.

Someday, maybe, batteries will be simple.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway Removal, another method.

eric freedman
 

Vladamir,

Did you receive the info and photos?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 2:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway Removal, another method.

 

 

Eric,

 

Please email it to me as well. 

Sonsev52 at gmail com

 

Vladimir 

SM "LIFE is Good"

 

On Dec 11, 2017 16:54, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ryan,

What is your email address?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:31 PM


To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway Removal, another method.

 

 

Duane, I will try to remember to digitize and upload the paper companionway plans I have from Amel.

 

Eric, I'd love to learn your technique for removing the companionway slide.  I'm sure I'm not the only one -- perhaps you could upload/send it to the list?

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 3:21 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

I am adding a piece of brown nylon above where the cross bar should stop.

That will align it every time.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway Removal, another method.

 

 

You can access the weather stripping easily without fully removing the slide, just lift the slide up.  

 

There is a stop on the bottom, aft side of the slide that is easily removable, and once off,  the slide can rise--until it hits the dodger. More than high enough to easily access the weather stripping.

 

Just a random thought:  It would be nice if that stop was positioned to actually stop the slide at the correct point to lock in place with the cross bar.  Sigh... I think I just assigned myself another project.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, FL

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

karkauai
 

My new Interstate hybrid batteries require 32 for desulfation.  That spec was very difficult to get, I had th contact the engineers at Interstate and even he had a hard time finding it.  That's higher than most batteries.  I needed a new charger anyway, but had to do some searching to find one that would do the job.  I steeled on a Victron Skylla-I 1+1 80Amp 24v charger.  So far a year later it's doing what it's supposed to do.


Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

karkauai
 

Make sure all 24v equipment is off while you desulfate.  The high voltages will fry some electronics.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electric gas switch

eric freedman
 

Alex,

I changed my solenoid to a USA made solenoid.

It is very easy to get and the pipes fit up to it quite nicely.

I  think you are a few boats away from Kimberlite on the Ponton.

.Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 11:42 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] electric gas switch

 

 

Eric, I have two gas tanks in the compartment on the portside. Both are connected to that switch. One tank has European connection and uses buthan (available here in Martinique), the other has a U.S. connection and uses propane. Why are you asking? Is there anything important that I don't konw/should consider?

Regards, Alex

AMEL54#15, NO STRESS

 

 

On Saturday, December 9, 2017, 5:45:53 PM GMT-4, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Alex,

Are you using propane or butane?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 12:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] electric gas switch

 

 

Dear Amelians,

I know there has been a discussion about the electric gas switch that seats out there in the compartment with the gas tanks. I rememer you talked about a German manufacturer and how hard it is to get it....

Unfortunatellly, I can't find that conversation anymore. Any information in regards to the vendor and the model AMEL is using (2005 AMEL54) is highly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Alex

SY NO STRESS

AMEL54#15


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit

JOHN HAYES
 

As a safety measure we have installed a second bilge pump mounted above the first so that if the first stops working and we don’t immediately notice, the second will cut in and take over the job (hopefully). In fact we had that happen recently and the system works well.

Xmas greetings to one and all

 

John Hayes

Nga Waka

 

Wellington

New Zealand

 

From: on behalf of "Ken Powers sailingaquarius@... [amelyachtowners]"
Reply-To:
Date: Wednesday, 13 December 2017 at 9:28 AM
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit

 

 

Hello Mark,

 

My plan was to buy a Rule 2000 and use it while I figured out how to fix the old one.  But, after meeting... (and sailing with) several Amel owners, I have decided to KEEP the Rule 2000 and carry a spare.  This is currently working well, but will clean up the plumbing.  The old Bilge pump would have cost several hundred dollars to fix, and still old technology.  Sometimes you have to change to the new technology because it's too expensive to keep up the old.

 

Ken

Aquarius 

SM2K 262

Currently in Panama (Shelter Island Marina)

 

On Monday, December 11, 2017 7:41 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

At one point, I think Amel had these in stock. Have you checked with Maud?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:05 AM
To: Ken Powers sailingaquarius@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit

 

 

Ken, what was your resolution on your bilge pump?

 

I've just had the same issue on SM 387 (must be that hot weather in Trinidad!)

 

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson, sv BeBe

 

 

 

Any Help Will be appreciated!

 

Our bilge pump was running for what seemed a long time.  So I went down to see what was up.  I found the motor running, but not pumping.  The motor drive a plastic gear that broke.

 

Does anyone know where I can get this part, or maybe I have to get a new bilge pump.  :)

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Ken Powers

Aquarius SM2K #262

In Trinidad Crews Inn

 

 

 


Re: Bilge Pump Quit

Craig Briggs
 

Ken, 
Here's an old post on the topic about how to fix it.
"
You don't say "how" it is broken - ours "broke" in that the nylon gear was spinning freely about the inner drive disk (there are fine spline grooves that make these turn together). The gear was in one piece and the teeth were OK.

I was able to drill three small holes (1/16") spaced around the perimeter and insert steel pins (cut off small finishing nails) flush with the gear surface and into the inner plastic drive. Well, one of the pins is actually the drill bit that broke off, so I just left it." 

Cheers, Craig SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailingaquarius@...> wrote :

Any Help Will be appreciated!

Our bilge pump was running for what seemed a long time.  So I went down to see what was up.  I found the motor running, but not pumping.  The motor drive a plastic gear that broke.

Does anyone know where I can get this part, or maybe I have to get a new bilge pump.  :)

Thanks in advance,

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262
In Trinidad Crews Inn



 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit

Mark Erdos
 

My 2 cents: My bilge pump has lasted about 17 years now. I don’t consider it old technology, but old faithful. IMHO, you get what you pay for.

 

I carry a rebuild kit including the plastic wheel. I also have a complete spare (new).

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit

 

 

Hello Mark,

 

My plan was to buy a Rule 2000 and use it while I figured out how to fix the old one.  But, after meeting... (and sailing with) several Amel owners, I have decided to KEEP the Rule 2000 and carry a spare.  This is currently working well, but will clean up the plumbing.  The old Bilge pump would have cost several hundred dollars to fix, and still old technology.  Sometimes you have to change to the new technology because it's too expensive to keep up the old.

 

Ken

Aquarius 

SM2K 262

Currently in Panama (Shelter Island Marina)

 

On Monday, December 11, 2017 7:41 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

At one point, I think Amel had these in stock. Have you checked with Maud?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:05 AM
To: Ken Powers sailingaquarius@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit

 

 

Ken, what was your resolution on your bilge pump?

 

I've just had the same issue on SM 387 (must be that hot weather in Trinidad!)

 

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson, sv BeBe

 

 

 

Any Help Will be appreciated!

 

Our bilge pump was running for what seemed a long time.  So I went down to see what was up.  I found the motor running, but not pumping.  The motor drive a plastic gear that broke.

 

Does anyone know where I can get this part, or maybe I have to get a new bilge pump.  :)

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Ken Powers

Aquarius SM2K #262

In Trinidad Crews Inn

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit

James Studdart
 

Hi,
We bought one for around 130 euro from Amel about 6 months ago. It is expensive for what it is. I can’t imagine a replacement pump that works for a decade and a half is cheap either! It was fairly easy to replace once we had the part.

Cheers,
James.
SV SeaBean
SM#344

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:41 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

At one point, I think Amel had these in stock. Have you checked with Maud?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:05 AM
To: Ken Powers sailingaquarius@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit

 

 

Ken, what was your resolution on your bilge pump?

 

I've just had the same issue on SM 387 (must be that hot weather in Trinidad!)

 

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson, sv BeBe

 

 

 

Any Help Will be appreciated!

 

Our bilge pump was running for what seemed a long time.  So I went down to see what was up.  I found the motor running, but not pumping.  The motor drive a plastic gear that broke.

 

Does anyone know where I can get this part, or maybe I have to get a new bilge pump.  :)

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Ken Powers

Aquarius SM2K #262

In Trinidad Crews Inn

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

Hello Mark,

My plan was to buy a Rule 2000 and use it while I figured out how to fix the old one.  But, after meeting... (and sailing with) several Amel owners, I have decided to KEEP the Rule 2000 and carry a spare.  This is currently working well, but will clean up the plumbing.  The old Bilge pump would have cost several hundred dollars to fix, and still old technology.  Sometimes you have to change to the new technology because it's too expensive to keep up the old.

Ken
Aquarius 
SM2K 262
Currently in Panama (Shelter Island Marina)


On Monday, December 11, 2017 7:41 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
At one point, I think Amel had these in stock. Have you checked with Maud?
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Martinique
www.creampuff.us
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:05 AM
To: Ken Powers sailingaquarius@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit
 
 
Ken, what was your resolution on your bilge pump?
 
I've just had the same issue on SM 387 (must be that hot weather in Trinidad!)
 
Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson, sv BeBe
 
 
 
Any Help Will be appreciated!
 
Our bilge pump was running for what seemed a long time.  So I went down to see what was up.  I found the motor running, but not pumping.  The motor drive a plastic gear that broke.
 
Does anyone know where I can get this part, or maybe I have to get a new bilge pump.  :)
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262
In Trinidad Crews Inn
 
 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway Removal, another method.

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Eric,

Please email it to me as well. 
Sonsev52 at gmail com

Vladimir 
SM "LIFE is Good"

On Dec 11, 2017 16:54, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan,

What is your email address?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:31 PM


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway Removal, another method.

 

 

Duane, I will try to remember to digitize and upload the paper companionway plans I have from Amel.

 

Eric, I'd love to learn your technique for removing the companionway slide.  I'm sure I'm not the only one -- perhaps you could upload/send it to the list?

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 3:21 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bill,

I am adding a piece of brown nylon above where the cross bar should stop.

That will align it every time.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway Removal, another method.

 

 

You can access the weather stripping easily without fully removing the slide, just lift the slide up.  

 

There is a stop on the bottom, aft side of the slide that is easily removable, and once off,  the slide can rise--until it hits the dodger. More than high enough to easily access the weather stripping.

 

Just a random thought:  It would be nice if that stop was positioned to actually stop the slide at the correct point to lock in place with the cross bar.  Sigh... I think I just assigned myself another project.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, FL

 



Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?

Willem Kroes
 

Hi Kasper,

What is the name of the rigger who did the survey on your Santorin's rig in Sicily (or the boatyard /marina)?

Kind regards,

Willem Kroes

SM # 351 "Kavanga"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Viewing Amel 54 - what to look for?

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Scott;
 
I truly am not aware of anything that I would consider Amel specific problem areas. Every boat has design considerations that appeal to some and not to others. Other than design related issues, the rest are maintenance related. It is an extremely well thought out vessel that we will enjoy for years or decades to come and will probably never buy another vessel. That being said, the reliability of this or any vessel depends on the level of care.
 
Good luck with your search.
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of cpp_berkeley
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Viewing Amel 54 - what to look for?

 

Apologies, I'm Scott.


Thanks for the recommendation on the surveyor. The boat I'm looking at is in France, so I'll reach out to Olivier and mention that you sent me his way. :)

I'm visiting her without the broker/surveyor for the first look to determine whether to move forward with the survey. Your tips are helpful and it'd be great if you (and others) could note any Amel specific problem areas.

I understand the Volvo D3-110 can cause headaches if bad fuel is encountered. I also understand they revised the engine to take care of these problems, but unsure when those revisions were made?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Viewing Amel 54 - what to look for?

Redouan <red1assar@...>
 

Olivier IS the surveyor to contact if you are serious about buying an Amel anywhere near Europe.  He came to Portugal to support me after months of research, and it was a bit like getting the famous 4 day precious handover that the new owners used to get when buying new at the yard.  Olivier is very professional and his recommendations are worth every penny for the future owner. I would definitely use his services again... Unfortunately after my happy purchase this Autumn I expect to never want or find a replacement for my lovely Super Maramu Stella.

Redouan
SM Stella ex Zeerob
Portimao, Portugal.

On 12 Dec 2017, at 19:20, cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Apologies, I'm Scott.


Thanks for the recommendation on the surveyor. The boat I'm looking at is in France, so I'll reach out to Olivier and mention that you sent me his way. :)

I'm visiting her without the broker/surveyor for the first look to determine whether to move forward with the survey. Your tips are helpful and it'd be great if you (and others) could note any Amel specific problem areas.

I understand the Volvo D3-110 can cause headaches if bad fuel is encountered. I also understand they revised the engine to take care of these problems, but unsure when those revisions were made?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electric gas switch

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Eric, I have two gas tanks in the compartment on the portside. Both are connected to that switch. One tank has European connection and uses buthan (available here in Martinique), the other has a U.S. connection and uses propane. Why are you asking? Is there anything important that I don't konw/should consider?
Regards, Alex
AMEL54#15, NO STRESS


On Saturday, December 9, 2017, 5:45:53 PM GMT-4, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Alex,

Are you using propane or butane?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 12:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] electric gas switch

 

 

Dear Amelians,

I know there has been a discussion about the electric gas switch that seats out there in the compartment with the gas tanks. I rememer you talked about a German manufacturer and how hard it is to get it....

Unfortunatellly, I can't find that conversation anymore. Any information in regards to the vendor and the model AMEL is using (2005 AMEL54) is highly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Alex

SY NO STRESS

AMEL54#15


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway well drain

James Alton
 

Ryan,

   This may or many not help you since my boat is a 1987 Maramu.  I noticed that the water catchment pan under the main slider of my boat was holding water and the owner of another Maramu had told me that he had located drain holes in his so I went in the investigate.  I found two approx. 5/16” diameter holes at the very outboard ends of the drain pan that were drilled through the engine room bulkhead.  I am not sure if the holes are sealed in the bulkhead so I plan to bond in two tiny fibreglass tubes with epoxy to keep water from soaking into the wood of the bulkhead while retaining the drainage.   The holes were drilled right at the bottom of the pan where it would have been almost impossible to drill once the pan had been installed so I feel that the holes must be original.  Both holes on my boat were completely blocked from years of dirt and debris, once I cleaned out  the holes out, I can now wash the cockpit without any concerns of water overflowing the catchment pan.  In my opinion the drain holes are a very good idea because if fresh water is allowed to sit for a long period in the catchment pan rot could occur in the pan and the engine room bulkhead over time.  So yes the bulkhead is meant to be watertight but in reality the flow rate through 2- 5/16” holes is not going to be much given the head so I think that Amel made a good call in adding these holes.  One could carry some tiny wooden or rubber plugs for these holes if concerned about the watertight integrity of the bulkhead but a rotten bulkhead is likely a lot less watertight than the drain holes....  Just my 2 cents, I know opinions may vary as they should.

Best,

James

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Dec 12, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Joel,
Do you have a photo of what the well drain looks like?  I had my well fill up a month or so ago and it did not drain on its own.  Some time later, I found a little black tube above the sump in the engine room that appears to be blocked... it's in about the right place to be the well drain, but I haven't investigated in detail or tried to clean it out.  I was led to believe from this list that was no drain on the SM, which stunned me because it's an obvious point of failure in the design... if it actually exists that would make a lot more sense!

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:44 AM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Everyone. I have not checked each and every one of the hundreds of Amel Super Maramus I have been aboard for a drain from the companionway well for the vertical door. However, I know this item was on the Amel new construction checklist and had to be signed off on by the person who installed it and his supervisor. 

 

I have seen more than one case where the drain tube was installed and then covered over by the foam insulation that was installed in the engine room which then encouraged the drain to become clogged as it could not flow properly.

 

Strategically investigate the area where the drain should be and I am all but sure you will find a covered and plugged drain. All but sure…so let us know what you DON’T find, please.  

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway well drain

amelforme
 

Hi Ryan. Usually the drain is a metal/bronze??? pipe of small diameter that is often/usually connected to a hose that drains to the sump. Sounds like you are on the right track. Let us know…

 

Joel

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway well drain

 

 

Hi Joel,

Do you have a photo of what the well drain looks like?  I had my well fill up a month or so ago and it did not drain on its own.  Some time later, I found a little black tube above the sump in the engine room that appears to be blocked... it's in about the right place to be the well drain, but I haven't investigated in detail or tried to clean it out.  I was led to believe from this list that was no drain on the SM, which stunned me because it's an obvious point of failure in the design... if it actually exists that would make a lot more sense!

 

Thanks,

Ryan

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:44 AM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Everyone. I have not checked each and every one of the hundreds of Amel Super Maramus I have been aboard for a drain from the companionway well for the vertical door. However, I know this item was on the Amel new construction checklist and had to be signed off on by the person who installed it and his supervisor.

 

I have seen more than one case where the drain tube was installed and then covered over by the foam insulation that was installed in the engine room which then encouraged the drain to become clogged as it could not flow properly.

 

Strategically investigate the area where the drain should be and I am all but sure you will find a covered and plugged drain. All but sure…so let us know what you DON’T find, please.  

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Viewing Amel 54 - what to look for?

cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...>
 

Apologies, I'm Scott.

Thanks for the recommendation on the surveyor. The boat I'm looking at is in France, so I'll reach out to Olivier and mention that you sent me his way. :)

I'm visiting her without the broker/surveyor for the first look to determine whether to move forward with the survey. Your tips are helpful and it'd be great if you (and others) could note any Amel specific problem areas.

I understand the Volvo D3-110 can cause headaches if bad fuel is encountered. I also understand they revised the engine to take care of these problems, but unsure when those revisions were made?