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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder shaft leak.

eric freedman
 

Hi Kent,

As long as the nylon nut is not bottomed out you can just tighten  the nut  an 1/8th of a turn and all is well with the world.

If the nut is almost bottomed out I would replace the packing.

I would get the packing from Amel as it is cut perfectly.

 

I have a spare nut and a set of packing duct taped near the rudder post.

Worst case scenario you can change the packing while under way. You can definitely change the top 2 pieces and depending how low the stern is sitting possibly change all 3.

It is a pill to remove the packing. I use a narrow screwdriver to chisel the packing out.

 

Plan on having it leaking for a while until the packing becomes seated and absorbs a little water. I use molycote grease on the packing. I also had a wrench made that I use to tighten the nut while under way.

It was cut out of a piece of aluminum as thick as the flange of the nut and is short enough to turn without hitting any stringers.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder shaft leak.

 

 

Hi JP, and Merry Christmas one and all.

 

I've had Kristy 8 + years and only developed a small leak last year.  I tightened the nut a bit and have had no further leaks in the last year.  I have never tightened that nut except the one time it was leaking.  Same packing as when I bought her.  I've put nearly 20,000 nm under the keel in all kinds of seas.

Am I just lucky?

 

Before I do an ocean crossing I guess I'll replace the packing, or should I wait til it leaks and won't stop with a tweak of the nut?

Kent

SM243

Kristy

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

Panama cell: +507-61171896

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Dec 24, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Steve,

 

Thanks for the info.  We did quite a few miles from Majorca to 4 days out of Lanzarote…  about 2000 + I reckon…

 

I will include the big Nut in my 6 month maintenance.

 

Merry Xmas too.  Just off to celebrate with a dozen other friends … too much wine on hand; this will be painful :-)

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera, SM 007

In Marina du Fort, Guadeloupe.

 

 

 

On 24 Dec 2016, at 17:09, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Hi JP,

 

Congratulations on a successful passage, and Merry Christmas. 

 

Our rudder post tends to develop a small leak about once a year, and about an eighth of a turn on the nut will stop it. We have new packing, but have not changed it since we bought the boat in 2014. 

 

Steve Davis

Aloha SM72

Martinique


On Dec 24, 2016, at 16:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Merry Christmas Gang,

 

We arrived in Guadeloupe from Lanzarote. 7 days of slow slogging then 11 days of good progress.  Total 18 days 20 hours.  

 

Our beauty held up fine and we only have a rail cleat to repair and a rudder post leak to stop... the latter is done already but the question is this: we changed the rudder packing in July and twice tightened the big nylon nut.  Worked sans leak from Majorca to Gib, Madeira and Lanzarote.  4 days out of Lanzarote, a small leak began... then got worse as we sailed west.  Nothing alarming but needing a drying up session every 2 hours at the end.  Do you do preventive "tightening" ... if so at how many miles?  

 

Sea states were 5-6 and occasionally 7.  The hydraulic AP worked flawlessly throughout.

 

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder shaft leak.

karkauai
 

Hi JP, and Merry Christmas one and all.

I've had Kristy 8 + years and only developed a small leak last year.  I tightened the nut a bit and have had no further leaks in the last year.  I have never tightened that nut except the one time it was leaking.  Same packing as when I bought her.  I've put nearly 20,000 nm under the keel in all kinds of seas.
Am I just lucky?

Before I do an ocean crossing I guess I'll replace the packing, or should I wait til it leaks and won't stop with a tweak of the nut?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Dec 24, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Steve,


Thanks for the info.  We did quite a few miles from Majorca to 4 days out of Lanzarote…  about 2000 + I reckon…

I will include the big Nut in my 6 month maintenance.

Merry Xmas too.  Just off to celebrate with a dozen other friends … too much wine on hand; this will be painful :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007
In Marina du Fort, Guadeloupe.



On 24 Dec 2016, at 17:09, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi JP,

Congratulations on a successful passage, and Merry Christmas. 

Our rudder post tends to develop a small leak about once a year, and about an eighth of a turn on the nut will stop it. We have new packing, but have not changed it since we bought the boat in 2014. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Martinique

On Dec 24, 2016, at 16:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Merry Christmas Gang,


We arrived in Guadeloupe from Lanzarote. 7 days of slow slogging then 11 days of good progress.  Total 18 days 20 hours.  


Our beauty held up fine and we only have a rail cleat to repair and a rudder post leak to stop... the latter is done already but the question is this: we changed the rudder packing in July and twice tightened the big nylon nut.  Worked sans leak from Majorca to Gib, Madeira and Lanzarote.  4 days out of Lanzarote, a small leak began... then got worse as we sailed west.  Nothing alarming but needing a drying up session every 2 hours at the end.  Do you do preventive "tightening" ... if so at how many miles?  


Sea states were 5-6 and occasionally 7.  The hydraulic AP worked flawlessly throughout.




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder shaft leak.

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Steve,

Thanks for the info.  We did quite a few miles from Majorca to 4 days out of Lanzarote…  about 2000 + I reckon…

I will include the big Nut in my 6 month maintenance.

Merry Xmas too.  Just off to celebrate with a dozen other friends … too much wine on hand; this will be painful :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007
In Marina du Fort, Guadeloupe.



On 24 Dec 2016, at 17:09, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi JP,

Congratulations on a successful passage, and Merry Christmas. 

Our rudder post tends to develop a small leak about once a year, and about an eighth of a turn on the nut will stop it. We have new packing, but have not changed it since we bought the boat in 2014. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Martinique

On Dec 24, 2016, at 16:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Merry Christmas Gang,


We arrived in Guadeloupe from Lanzarote. 7 days of slow slogging then 11 days of good progress.  Total 18 days 20 hours.  


Our beauty held up fine and we only have a rail cleat to repair and a rudder post leak to stop... the latter is done already but the question is this: we changed the rudder packing in July and twice tightened the big nylon nut.  Worked sans leak from Majorca to Gib, Madeira and Lanzarote.  4 days out of Lanzarote, a small leak began... then got worse as we sailed west.  Nothing alarming but needing a drying up session every 2 hours at the end.  Do you do preventive "tightening" ... if so at how many miles?  


Sea states were 5-6 and occasionally 7.  The hydraulic AP worked flawlessly throughout.




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder shaft leak.

Stephen Davis
 

Hi JP,

Congratulations on a successful passage, and Merry Christmas. 

Our rudder post tends to develop a small leak about once a year, and about an eighth of a turn on the nut will stop it. We have new packing, but have not changed it since we bought the boat in 2014. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Martinique

On Dec 24, 2016, at 16:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Merry Christmas Gang,


We arrived in Guadeloupe from Lanzarote. 7 days of slow slogging then 11 days of good progress.  Total 18 days 20 hours.  


Our beauty held up fine and we only have a rail cleat to repair and a rudder post leak to stop... the latter is done already but the question is this: we changed the rudder packing in July and twice tightened the big nylon nut.  Worked sans leak from Majorca to Gib, Madeira and Lanzarote.  4 days out of Lanzarote, a small leak began... then got worse as we sailed west.  Nothing alarming but needing a drying up session every 2 hours at the end.  Do you do preventive "tightening" ... if so at how many miles?  


Sea states were 5-6 and occasionally 7.  The hydraulic AP worked flawlessly throughout.

Rudder shaft leak.

jgermain@...
 

Merry Christmas Gang,


We arrived in Guadeloupe from Lanzarote. 7 days of slow slogging then 11 days of good progress.  Total 18 days 20 hours.  


Our beauty held up fine and we only have a rail cleat to repair and a rudder post leak to stop... the latter is done already but the question is this: we changed the rudder packing in July and twice tightened the big nylon nut.  Worked sans leak from Majorca to Gib, Madeira and Lanzarote.  4 days out of Lanzarote, a small leak began... then got worse as we sailed west.  Nothing alarming but needing a drying up session every 2 hours at the end.  Do you do preventive "tightening" ... if so at how many miles?  


Sea states were 5-6 and occasionally 7.  The hydraulic AP worked flawlessly throughout.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] christmas greeting

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thank you Danny,
Wishing you and the Amel community the same.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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Date: Friday, December 23, 2016, 11:50 PM


 









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blessed Christmas season and a safe and joyful new year and
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan generator not supplying 220 Volt

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks everyone for the replies, as always.

Mohammad and Aty
AMEL 54 #099
B&B Kokomo

Re: Onan generator not supplying 220 Volt

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Found the issue. While installing a new water heater, I had accidentally tripped the main breaker on the generator.

christmas greeting

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all you Amel sailors. This is to wish you all a blessed Christmas season and a safe and joyful new year and many miles of adventures across oceans.
Danny and Yvonne
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan generator not supplying 220 Volt

Alan Leslie
 

We had that issue 2 years ago...it was a faulty breaker.

Cheers and Happy Christmas to all

Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan generator not supplying 220 Volt

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

My generator has a breaker on the control box - facing aft.  It blows once a month.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Dec 23, 2016, at 4:40 PM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi everyone;

When we turned on the generator this morning after having disconnected the shore power, we did not have any power at the 220 main  panel. Other than the relay that selects the priority of power to the 220 V panel, is there another breaker or relay that can prevent power from the generator to the panel?

Thanks

Mohammad and Aty
Amel 54 #099
B&B Kokomo

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan generator not supplying 220 Volt

amelforme
 

Hi Mohammad. On the aft side of the ‘Black Box’ with the controls for the start/stop from the engine room are  two large breakers that shut output off. I’ll bet that’s where your problem is but keep us posted on what you find…

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan generator not supplying 220 Volt

 

 

Hi everyone;

 

When we turned on the generator this morning after having disconnected the shore power, we did not have any power at the 220 main  panel. Other than the relay that selects the priority of power to the 220 V panel, is there another breaker or relay that can prevent power from the generator to the panel?

 

Thanks

 

Mohammad and Aty

Amel 54 #099

B&B Kokomo

Onan generator not supplying 220 Volt

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi everyone;

When we turned on the generator this morning after having disconnected the shore power, we did not have any power at the 220 main  panel. Other than the relay that selects the priority of power to the 220 V panel, is there another breaker or relay that can prevent power from the generator to the panel?

Thanks

Mohammad and Aty
Amel 54 #099
B&B Kokomo

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DESSALATOR DUO 60 ORIGINAL, REPAIR OR REPLACE

David Wallace
 

Vladimir,

Very happy to help. Don’t hesitate to contact me if you have any other questions. And Merry Christmas to you as well! 

Dave
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez Mx (but unfortunately we’re in Sacramento CA right now, cold and wet!)

On Dec 23, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Dave,

Thanks a lot.
Merry Christmas!

Vladimir
SM#345


On Dec 23, 2016 12:47 PM, "David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Vladimir,


CAT pumps in the 240 and 270 series are appropriate for the high pressure pump but I bought a similar pump from General Pump: part number WM4215S. It’s a plunger pump that can deliver 4.2 gl/min and has stainless steel components. Mine is belt driven off the engine with a 12v clutch but they can also be directly coupled to an electric motor. www.generalpump.com.

My pressure vessels (I have two which is why the system can make 35 gl/hr) are from Hydrocomponents and Technologies, Inc, HCTI: model number 2540SW. www.hcti.com.

Good luck!

Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


David,

I plan to use DESSALATOR components if I can. If some components are no good, I plan to substitute them with commercial items. Spare parts from DESSALATOR are expensive. Most likely my watermaker will be manually controlled. 

Can you give me the manufacturer and part number for high pressure pump/motor, and housing for membranes that you used.

Thank you and Bill for your good advise.

Vladimir
SM # 345


On Dec 22, 2016 6:57 PM, "David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Oops, should have read all my emails first. I see Vladimir has a good solution, best of luck!


Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Dec 22, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Dave Wallace <svairops@...> wrote:

Vladimir,

I second Bill’s suggestion to build your own. Our Maramu had no water maker so I went that route. Manual controls, 35 gallons/hr, total cost about $2600. They are really quite simple if you don’t need automated functions.

Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:52 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:


Vladimir,

If you are going to not rebuild the Dessalator, maybe you should consider using some of your existing generic parts from the Dessalator system such as the low pressure pump, membrane tubes and end caps.

If I were you, I wouldn't rely on any watermaker company, but I would build a system with a new high pressure pump from CAT, a generic 220VAC 50htz motor, some manual valves and pressure gauges and use the membrane tubes and low pressure pump from the Dessalator system.

I am sure that you can find the specifications that you need on-line. The entire system us simple. Apply the correct vessel pressure and you get pure water. There is really no need for electric valves and PCBs.

And BTW, I am mostly sure that the reason Dessalator suggested a new PCB Control Board is because your board was made wrong by the Dessalator subcontractor and really does not sense water quality. The quality sense scheme is a fake on all boards up to about 2010. Also, I believe that the reason that they suggested a new control panel is that the pressure valve they used on yours is not really the quality necessary for saltwater. It will suffer from corrosion...use CorrosionX liberally on the outside if this valve. Oh, and many of us had white end caps which were made of inferior material...another Dessalator error. These are common Dessalator errors that most of us have paid for.

I hope this helps you to make a decision.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 21, 2016 6:13 PM, "Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your advise. I will definitely consider Electromax. It looks and sound good. Probubly Canadian company AC motor is designed for 60 Hz AC. Amel generator make 50 Hz AC.  Did Electromax give you 50 Hz motor?

Vladimir
SM #345


On Dec 21, 2016 12:51 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Hi Vladimir,

When I purchased my 1992 SM, it had the original watermaker in non working condition. It was going to be very expensive to repair, and I wanted higher capacity, so I decided to replace it with a different model. My criteria in selection were at least 30gph, built with mostly off the shelf and readily available components, and a reasonable purchase price. After considerable research, I purchased a watermaker from Electromax in Canada. I purchased it at the 2014 Annapolis boat show for $4600 delivered to my door in Florida. It is rated at 30gph, and built with non proprietary parts. Unlike the DESSALATOR, most functions are manual, and there is very little to go wrong. I do have the optional automatic solenoid valve installed which allows me to flush the membrane when we are not on the boat The kit arrived with plumbing fittings, hoses, filters, control panel, high pressure pump, low pressure pump, and the membrane. The process of ripping out the old system, and installing the new took me about a day and half. I was able to put the new control panel in the same place as the old with some simple modifications. Also, I've had great technical support from Electromax on the phone when needed.

We started using the watermaker last season when we reached the Caribbean, and have made about 1500 gallons to date with no issues. With the salinity and water temperature in this area, we seem to output between 32 to 34 gph, even though it's rated at 30gph. To each his own, but I greatly prefer a simple manual design with very little to go wrong, and components which are easy to find in most parts of the world.

Let me know if you need more info or pictures, and I'd be happy to help. Good luck on getting it figured out.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Martinique

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:49 AM, sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I have bought my 2002 Amel SM one year ago. Previous owner told me that the watermaker does not work. He told me that watermaker turns off in less than a minute after it turned on. Previous owner left on the boat a spare set of filters and membranes for DESSALATOR.
Watermaker repairman it Trinidad told me that I have to rebuild high pressure pump, check motors and probubly replace electronic control board.
I removed the pump with two motors. Both motors run fine without load. I have no reason to suspect a motor problem. I disassembled pump. As I expected all seals must be replaced. In addition I discovered that all 4 valves have to be replased because valve seats are deeply pitted. The plunger did not look good. DESSALATOR contact person recommended to replace pump head for € 875.00.
She also told me that watermaker control board and panel are outdated and replacement cost €1,812.00. She told me that probubly membrane housing end plates must be replaced because my watermaker was not running for long time. She recommended me to buy new DUO 60 watermaker for € 9,184.00.
I wonder what is good replacement for original watermaker? Should I stay with DESSALATOR brand or there are better and less expensive replacements? Please give me advise. 
If someone have replaced original DESSALATOR watermaker and saved DESSALATOR parts, I probubly buy old control board, controlle panel ,pump and other parts.

Vladimir
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"













Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DESSALATOR DUO 60 ORIGINAL, REPAIR OR REPLACE

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Dave,

Thanks a lot.
Merry Christmas!

Vladimir
SM#345


On Dec 23, 2016 12:47 PM, "David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Vladimir,


CAT pumps in the 240 and 270 series are appropriate for the high pressure pump but I bought a similar pump from General Pump: part number WM4215S. It’s a plunger pump that can deliver 4.2 gl/min and has stainless steel components. Mine is belt driven off the engine with a 12v clutch but they can also be directly coupled to an electric motor. www.generalpump.com.

My pressure vessels (I have two which is why the system can make 35 gl/hr) are from Hydrocomponents and Technologies, Inc, HCTI: model number 2540SW. www.hcti.com.

Good luck!

Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


David,

I plan to use DESSALATOR components if I can. If some components are no good, I plan to substitute them with commercial items. Spare parts from DESSALATOR are expensive. Most likely my watermaker will be manually controlled. 

Can you give me the manufacturer and part number for high pressure pump/motor, and housing for membranes that you used.

Thank you and Bill for your good advise.

Vladimir
SM # 345


On Dec 22, 2016 6:57 PM, "David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Oops, should have read all my emails first. I see Vladimir has a good solution, best of luck!


Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Dec 22, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Dave Wallace <svairops@...> wrote:

Vladimir,

I second Bill’s suggestion to build your own. Our Maramu had no water maker so I went that route. Manual controls, 35 gallons/hr, total cost about $2600. They are really quite simple if you don’t need automated functions.

Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:52 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:


Vladimir,

If you are going to not rebuild the Dessalator, maybe you should consider using some of your existing generic parts from the Dessalator system such as the low pressure pump, membrane tubes and end caps.

If I were you, I wouldn't rely on any watermaker company, but I would build a system with a new high pressure pump from CAT, a generic 220VAC 50htz motor, some manual valves and pressure gauges and use the membrane tubes and low pressure pump from the Dessalator system.

I am sure that you can find the specifications that you need on-line. The entire system us simple. Apply the correct vessel pressure and you get pure water. There is really no need for electric valves and PCBs.

And BTW, I am mostly sure that the reason Dessalator suggested a new PCB Control Board is because your board was made wrong by the Dessalator subcontractor and really does not sense water quality. The quality sense scheme is a fake on all boards up to about 2010. Also, I believe that the reason that they suggested a new control panel is that the pressure valve they used on yours is not really the quality necessary for saltwater. It will suffer from corrosion...use CorrosionX liberally on the outside if this valve. Oh, and many of us had white end caps which were made of inferior material...another Dessalator error. These are common Dessalator errors that most of us have paid for.

I hope this helps you to make a decision.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 21, 2016 6:13 PM, "Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your advise. I will definitely consider Electromax. It looks and sound good. Probubly Canadian company AC motor is designed for 60 Hz AC. Amel generator make 50 Hz AC.  Did Electromax give you 50 Hz motor?

Vladimir
SM #345


On Dec 21, 2016 12:51 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Hi Vladimir,

When I purchased my 1992 SM, it had the original watermaker in non working condition. It was going to be very expensive to repair, and I wanted higher capacity, so I decided to replace it with a different model. My criteria in selection were at least 30gph, built with mostly off the shelf and readily available components, and a reasonable purchase price. After considerable research, I purchased a watermaker from Electromax in Canada. I purchased it at the 2014 Annapolis boat show for $4600 delivered to my door in Florida. It is rated at 30gph, and built with non proprietary parts. Unlike the DESSALATOR, most functions are manual, and there is very little to go wrong. I do have the optional automatic solenoid valve installed which allows me to flush the membrane when we are not on the boat The kit arrived with plumbing fittings, hoses, filters, control panel, high pressure pump, low pressure pump, and the membrane. The process of ripping out the old system, and installing the new took me about a day and half. I was able to put the new control panel in the same place as the old with some simple modifications. Also, I've had great technical support from Electromax on the phone when needed.

We started using the watermaker last season when we reached the Caribbean, and have made about 1500 gallons to date with no issues. With the salinity and water temperature in this area, we seem to output between 32 to 34 gph, even though it's rated at 30gph. To each his own, but I greatly prefer a simple manual design with very little to go wrong, and components which are easy to find in most parts of the world.

Let me know if you need more info or pictures, and I'd be happy to help. Good luck on getting it figured out.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Martinique

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:49 AM, sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I have bought my 2002 Amel SM one year ago. Previous owner told me that the watermaker does not work. He told me that watermaker turns off in less than a minute after it turned on. Previous owner left on the boat a spare set of filters and membranes for DESSALATOR.
Watermaker repairman it Trinidad told me that I have to rebuild high pressure pump, check motors and probubly replace electronic control board.
I removed the pump with two motors. Both motors run fine without load. I have no reason to suspect a motor problem. I disassembled pump. As I expected all seals must be replaced. In addition I discovered that all 4 valves have to be replased because valve seats are deeply pitted. The plunger did not look good. DESSALATOR contact person recommended to replace pump head for € 875.00.
She also told me that watermaker control board and panel are outdated and replacement cost €1,812.00. She told me that probubly membrane housing end plates must be replaced because my watermaker was not running for long time. She recommended me to buy new DUO 60 watermaker for € 9,184.00.
I wonder what is good replacement for original watermaker? Should I stay with DESSALATOR brand or there are better and less expensive replacements? Please give me advise. 
If someone have replaced original DESSALATOR watermaker and saved DESSALATOR parts, I probubly buy old control board, controlle panel ,pump and other parts.

Vladimir
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"










Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C-Drive Wearing Bushing and Bow Thruster seal premature failure

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks every one for the suggestions. We decided to flush with Diesel 4 times and then with 10 weight oil 4 times just to be sure all the water and the diesel is cleaned up. Decided not to mess with the prop shaft break. I believe we went over board on making sure all the water was evacuated but it is better to be safe than have to haul out again.

We found that the seals where installed incorrectly. They were alternated looking forward, aft and forward rather than 2 forward and one aft as indicated in the AMEL instructions. Also the 0.5 mm spacing was not left between the bushing and the seal which had led to the partial melting of the seal closets to the bushing that led to the water intrusion.

Same lesson as always, do the work yourself or watch it being done and don't allow any "expert"'do work that is not per manufacturers instructions.

Glad to have performed a very important service item with this groups help. Thanks again.

Mohammad and Aty
AMEL 54 #099
B&B Kokomo




Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
323-633-2222 Cell
310-454-3148 Fax

Re: Santorin - shaft altenator

Ian
 

Trevor
The alternator turns whether the engine is on or off unless you put the gear lever in reverse while sailing. Remember the warning 'Never put gear in forward' while sailing.
So, while sailing just remove key from ignition and put it ignition below. This turns power on from batteries to excite the alternator and start it charging. Before starting the engine again turn key to off, remove key, gently put gear into reverse to stop the shaft and alternator. Then into neutral and start the engine.
I think the diodes in the alternator are meant to prevent both alternators charging together, but Amel in Marin confirmed the above procedure for me.
I have done nothing in the way of maintenance other than visual inspection and checking belt condition and tension. Great asset - 13 days sailing Atlantic with batteries fully charged all the way.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DESSALATOR DUO 60 ORIGINAL, REPAIR OR REPLACE

David Wallace
 

Vladimir,

CAT pumps in the 240 and 270 series are appropriate for the high pressure pump but I bought a similar pump from General Pump: part number WM4215S. It’s a plunger pump that can deliver 4.2 gl/min and has stainless steel components. Mine is belt driven off the engine with a 12v clutch but they can also be directly coupled to an electric motor. www.generalpump.com.

My pressure vessels (I have two which is why the system can make 35 gl/hr) are from Hydrocomponents and Technologies, Inc, HCTI: model number 2540SW. www.hcti.com.

Good luck!

Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


David,

I plan to use DESSALATOR components if I can. If some components are no good, I plan to substitute them with commercial items. Spare parts from DESSALATOR are expensive. Most likely my watermaker will be manually controlled. 

Can you give me the manufacturer and part number for high pressure pump/motor, and housing for membranes that you used.

Thank you and Bill for your good advise.

Vladimir
SM # 345


On Dec 22, 2016 6:57 PM, "David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Oops, should have read all my emails first. I see Vladimir has a good solution, best of luck!


Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Dec 22, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Dave Wallace <svairops@...> wrote:

Vladimir,

I second Bill’s suggestion to build your own. Our Maramu had no water maker so I went that route. Manual controls, 35 gallons/hr, total cost about $2600. They are really quite simple if you don’t need automated functions.

Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:52 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Vladimir,

If you are going to not rebuild the Dessalator, maybe you should consider using some of your existing generic parts from the Dessalator system such as the low pressure pump, membrane tubes and end caps.

If I were you, I wouldn't rely on any watermaker company, but I would build a system with a new high pressure pump from CAT, a generic 220VAC 50htz motor, some manual valves and pressure gauges and use the membrane tubes and low pressure pump from the Dessalator system.

I am sure that you can find the specifications that you need on-line. The entire system us simple. Apply the correct vessel pressure and you get pure water. There is really no need for electric valves and PCBs.

And BTW, I am mostly sure that the reason Dessalator suggested a new PCB Control Board is because your board was made wrong by the Dessalator subcontractor and really does not sense water quality. The quality sense scheme is a fake on all boards up to about 2010. Also, I believe that the reason that they suggested a new control panel is that the pressure valve they used on yours is not really the quality necessary for saltwater. It will suffer from corrosion...use CorrosionX liberally on the outside if this valve. Oh, and many of us had white end caps which were made of inferior material...another Dessalator error. These are common Dessalator errors that most of us have paid for.

I hope this helps you to make a decision.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 21, 2016 6:13 PM, "Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your advise. I will definitely consider Electromax. It looks and sound good. Probubly Canadian company AC motor is designed for 60 Hz AC. Amel generator make 50 Hz AC.  Did Electromax give you 50 Hz motor?

Vladimir
SM #345


On Dec 21, 2016 12:51 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Hi Vladimir,

When I purchased my 1992 SM, it had the original watermaker in non working condition. It was going to be very expensive to repair, and I wanted higher capacity, so I decided to replace it with a different model. My criteria in selection were at least 30gph, built with mostly off the shelf and readily available components, and a reasonable purchase price. After considerable research, I purchased a watermaker from Electromax in Canada. I purchased it at the 2014 Annapolis boat show for $4600 delivered to my door in Florida. It is rated at 30gph, and built with non proprietary parts. Unlike the DESSALATOR, most functions are manual, and there is very little to go wrong. I do have the optional automatic solenoid valve installed which allows me to flush the membrane when we are not on the boat The kit arrived with plumbing fittings, hoses, filters, control panel, high pressure pump, low pressure pump, and the membrane. The process of ripping out the old system, and installing the new took me about a day and half. I was able to put the new control panel in the same place as the old with some simple modifications. Also, I've had great technical support from Electromax on the phone when needed.

We started using the watermaker last season when we reached the Caribbean, and have made about 1500 gallons to date with no issues. With the salinity and water temperature in this area, we seem to output between 32 to 34 gph, even though it's rated at 30gph. To each his own, but I greatly prefer a simple manual design with very little to go wrong, and components which are easy to find in most parts of the world.

Let me know if you need more info or pictures, and I'd be happy to help. Good luck on getting it figured out.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Martinique

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:49 AM, sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have bought my 2002 Amel SM one year ago. Previous owner told me that the watermaker does not work. He told me that watermaker turns off in less than a minute after it turned on. Previous owner left on the boat a spare set of filters and membranes for DESSALATOR.
Watermaker repairman it Trinidad told me that I have to rebuild high pressure pump, check motors and probubly replace electronic control board.
I removed the pump with two motors. Both motors run fine without load. I have no reason to suspect a motor problem. I disassembled pump. As I expected all seals must be replaced. In addition I discovered that all 4 valves have to be replased because valve seats are deeply pitted. The plunger did not look good. DESSALATOR contact person recommended to replace pump head for € 875.00.
She also told me that watermaker control board and panel are outdated and replacement cost €1,812.00. She told me that probubly membrane housing end plates must be replaced because my watermaker was not running for long time. She recommended me to buy new DUO 60 watermaker for € 9,184.00.
I wonder what is good replacement for original watermaker? Should I stay with DESSALATOR brand or there are better and less expensive replacements? Please give me advise. 
If someone have replaced original DESSALATOR watermaker and saved DESSALATOR parts, I probubly buy old control board, controlle panel ,pump and other parts.

Vladimir
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"










Santorin - shaft altenator

tfortner1975
 

Good evening all,

I am trying to become educated on the shaft altenator on my 1990 Santorin. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Assuming this is connected as designed and it is not modified.

- start up operations
- maintenance / inspection
- time frame for operation
- do's and dont's
- any other relevant information

Thank you in advance.

Trevor
SV Iris, SN027
Phuket (planning stages for departure to Abu Dhabi)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DESSALATOR DUO 60 ORIGINAL, REPAIR OR REPLACE

Patrick McAneny
 

Vladimir, Anytime before mid Jan. or after Feb.1 would be fine . I will send address , We are a little over an hour from you.
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Dec 22, 2016 12:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DESSALATOR DUO 60 ORIGINAL, REPAIR OR REPLACE

 
Pat,
Thank you very much.
I would like to pick it up as soon as it is convenient for you.
I plan to assemble and check it at home. Please let me know when it  is OK for you.
Please give me your address. Use my email or tex on my phone.
Thanks again.
Best regards to Diane from me and Marina
Vladimir
202 258 1916
SM#345
SONSEV52 AT GMAIL



On Dec 22, 2016 12:27 PM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Vladimir, No need to buy it from me, I will be happy to give it to you , if you can use it. I can bring it down in the spring when I come down to help you service your bow thruster , or you can drive up , have dinner , spend the night if you like. Tell Marina , Diane and I wish her a Merry Christmas !
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 22, 2016 9:43 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DESSALATOR DUO 60 ORIGINAL, REPAIR OR REPLACE

 
Hi Pat,
I will be happy to buy it from you. I will try to assemble one working unit out of two.
MERRY CHRISTMAS !!
Vladimir
SM #345

On Dec 22, 2016 7:55 AM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Vladimir, You wrote that your SM is a 1992, we were with you in the BVIs when you told us that you were going to look at it , Diane and I remember it being much newer. If it is a 1992 , I have an entire dessalator you can have ,it came out of a 1994 . I think its rated at 60 lt./hr.
Merry Christmas,
Pat & Diane


-----Original Message-----
From: Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...om>
Sent: Wed, Dec 21, 2016 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DESSALATOR DUO 60 ORIGINAL, REPAIR OR REPLACE

 
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your advise. I will definitely consider Electromax. It looks and sound good. Probubly Canadian company AC motor is designed for 60 Hz AC. Amel generator make 50 Hz AC.  Did Electromax give you 50 Hz motor?
Vladimir
SM #345

On Dec 21, 2016 12:51 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 
Hi Vladimir,

When I purchased my 1992 SM, it had the original watermaker in non working condition. It was going to be very expensive to repair, and I wanted higher capacity, so I decided to replace it with a different model. My criteria in selection were at least 30gph, built with mostly off the shelf and readily available components, and a reasonable purchase price. After considerable research, I purchased a watermaker from Electromax in Canada. I purchased it at the 2014 Annapolis boat show for $4600 delivered to my door in Florida. It is rated at 30gph, and built with non proprietary parts. Unlike the DESSALATOR, most functions are manual, and there is very little to go wrong. I do have the optional automatic solenoid valve installed which allows me to flush the membrane when we are not on the boat The kit arrived with plumbing fittings, hoses, filters, control panel, high pressure pump, low pressure pump, and the membrane. The process of ripping out the old system, and installing the new took me about a day and half. I was able to put the new control panel in the same place as the old with some simple modifications. Also, I've had great technical support from Electromax on the phone when needed.

We started using the watermaker last season when we reached the Caribbean, and have made about 1500 gallons to date with no issues. With the salinity and water temperature in this area, we seem to output between 32 to 34 gph, even though it's rated at 30gph. To each his own, but I greatly prefer a simple manual design with very little to go wrong, and components which are easy to find in most parts of the world.

Let me know if you need more info or pictures, and I'd be happy to help. Good luck on getting it figured out.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Martinique

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:49 AM, sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 
I have bought my 2002 Amel SM one year ago. Previous owner told me that the watermaker does not work. He told me that watermaker turns off in less than a minute after it turned on. Previous owner left on the boat a spare set of filters and membranes for DESSALATOR.
Watermaker repairman it Trinidad told me that I have to rebuild high pressure pump, check motors and probubly replace electronic control board.
I removed the pump with two motors. Both motors run fine without load. I have no reason to suspect a motor problem. I disassembled pump. As I expected all seals must be replaced. In addition I discovered that all 4 valves have to be replased because valve seats are deeply pitted. The plunger did not look good. DESSALATOR contact person recommended to replace pump head for € 875.00.
She also told me that watermaker control board and panel are outdated and replacement cost €1,812.00. She told me that probubly membrane housing end plates must be replaced because my watermaker was not running for long time. She recommended me to buy new DUO 60 watermaker for € 9,184.00.
I wonder what is good replacement for original watermaker? Should I stay with DESSALATOR brand or there are better and less expensive replacements? Please give me advise.
If someone have replaced original DESSALATOR watermaker and saved DESSALATOR parts, I probubly buy old control board, controlle panel ,pump and other parts.

Vladimir
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"