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Re: Amel water cooled refrigeration & Frigoboat/Fowjet saltwater pump

 

There is a typo in my original email. The Frigoboat number for the Flowjet pump is A092819C
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
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On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 1:33 PM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
As owners of water-cooled Frigoboat refrigeration are aware, the Frigoboat 12 volt saltwater pump marked VECO A092319C is actually made by Flojet and is a Flowjet 4105-512 12 volt seawater pump. Owners are also aware that in many cases this pump is proven to have a life of about 1 year, but this depends mostly on the seawater environment where the boat is used. 

Amel first installed this pump in the Amel 54 and actually mounted a spare pump next to the working pump in order that the owner had a replacement when the first pump failed.

Some owners have tried the MARCO UP2/P 10 l/min. In most cases, this has proven to be a poor choice and although I thought the UP2/P was a good choice and MARCO's distributor in the US told me it was a good choice. I am afraid it is not. MARCO told us this week that the UP2/P is not a "continuous duty" pump.

As you know there is a message Topic in our group that has about 100 postings regarding a revolutionary replacement for this pump. Unfortunately, it seems that the vast majority of members don't completely understand one member's description of this revolutionary solution. I certainly do not have enough information to duplicate it. 

My suggestion is to continue with the Flowjet 4105-512 12 volt seawater pump until we can assure a better solution, and to avoid the MARCO solution.
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Amel water cooled refrigeration & Frigoboat/Fowjet saltwater pump

 

As owners of water-cooled Frigoboat refrigeration are aware, the Frigoboat 12 volt saltwater pump marked VECO A092319C is actually made by Flojet and is a Flowjet 4105-512 12 volt seawater pump. Owners are also aware that in many cases this pump is proven to have a life of about 1 year, but this depends mostly on the seawater environment where the boat is used. 

Amel first installed this pump in the Amel 54 and actually mounted a spare pump next to the working pump in order that the owner had a replacement when the first pump failed.

Some owners have tried the MARCO UP2/P 10 l/min. In most cases, this has proven to be a poor choice and although I thought the UP2/P was a good choice and MARCO's distributor in the US told me it was a good choice. I am afraid it is not. MARCO told us this week that the UP2/P is not a "continuous duty" pump.

As you know there is a message Topic in our group that has about 100 postings regarding a revolutionary replacement for this pump. Unfortunately, it seems that the vast majority of members don't completely understand one member's description of this revolutionary solution. I certainly do not have enough information to duplicate it. 

My suggestion is to continue with the Flowjet 4105-512 12 volt seawater pump until we can assure a better solution, and to avoid the MARCO solution.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Mark Erdos
 

About a year and a half ago, we insured Cream Puff with Y-Yacht in the UK
after Pantaenius rewrote the Caribbean policy to a point of being
ridiculous. Many people spoke very highly of Y-Yacht and so far, so good. We
are not US flagged and therefore have more options than US flagged vessels.
I do not believe Y-Yacht will insure a US flagged boat.

During our search for insurance, I was also impressed with Novamar. However,
I think they are in the process of changing.

TopSail in the UK may or may not write a policy on a US Flagged vessel. I
get mixed reports on this. If you join the OCC you can get a discount on
TopSail insurance.

The Jackline policy was stupid expensive. And besides, the point of contact
was so rude I walked away after receiving the quote. You should also be
aware they will require a full out of water survey. They will not settle for
a valuation survey. This is will cost you about an extra $1,000 upfront if
you do not have a current acceptable survey. Our insurance from Y-Yacht was
about $2300 less per year for the same coverage in the same area. (neither
TopSail or Y-Yacht required a survey - Both just wanted some current
pictures of the vessel and were specific about the photos required)

Quite so time ago, I looked at a Florida based company. Owners and residents
of Florida have a hard time getting boat insurance. There is an association
who hunts for A-rated companies and offers insurance at reasonable rate. You
have to join the association for the insurance but not for a quote. Here is
a link: https://www.nboat.com/boat-insurance/florida/

If someone has a decent agent, please share. Agents hunt for companies at no
cost to the insuree. They get a commission from the companies when they
refer and write a policy. Agents can save you a ton of legwork. I had a good
experience with this agent:

Chris Boome Insurance Agency
LIC# 0A99058
751 Laurel Street #216
San Carlos, CA 94070
O: 650-517-3160 C: 650-464-0728
WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM
E-mail: chris@...


Think globally when it comes to boat insurance.

The US dollar is very favorable to other currencies and can yield a nice
discount when purchasing insurance in Euros for example.

Pantaenius offices around the world work as individual companies. It might
be possible to get Pantaenius insurance from an office other than
PantaeniusUSA.

If your vessel is outside of the USA, it may be possible to get a policy
from other reputable companies in the world. One of the most popular
companies for vessels in the Pacific using A-rate underwriters is The Marine
Shop: https://www.marine-insurance.co.nz/



Hope this helps.



With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Galapagos
www.creampuff.us

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Doug Smith
 

I am a new owner and just purchased in December 2019. Pantaenius gave me a very reasonable quote and insured my boat for US east coast. Policy dates effective Dec 19-Dec 2020.
I wonder what the terms will be for renewal or if they will even offer a renewable policy.

Thanks, Doug Smith

Amel 54-113, Aventura
Dugsmith98@...

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

HI Mitchell - my pleasure; glad it helped.
Regarding the design, one of my pictures show the manufacturers label on the upper unit - it was CATEP France with a Model and serial number. A google search brings up CATEP International. and I'd guess they supplied the entire unit. Amel clearly changed the specification along the way, as some of us have Aluminum housing and others steel. By the way, are you fixing a particular issue just doing PM?  Regardless, if you get into a need for parts CATEP may be where to start.
Cheers,

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Mitchell Petersen
 

Hi Craig,
I managed to get it all out and have cut back the GRP to access the bearings.

Of interest my lower unit is different from yours with 6 hex screws holding the thrust bearing housing.

Thanks again for getting back to me, I don't know if I could have done it without your previous posts and assistance.

Many thanks
Mitchell

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 3:11 PM Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Mitchell,
Were you able to go through the pictures in the "C-Drive - Technical " photo album? You'll see my unit with the fairing material cut away. That exposes the cover plate on the front of the prop shaft and another pic shows it with its 4 machine screws. You have to cut the fairing back about 1 1/2 inches to totally expose the cover plate as it is about an inch thick. Again, see the pictures. (By the way, there are a couple of pictures the entire unit being lifted out that may be of interest.)

The cover plate carries the forward shaft bearing, so once it is off the prop shaft is totally free to be lifted out by hand. You can then lift out the aft bearings. Again there are pics of all that.

Cutting back the fairing material is a destructive process because it adheres to the metal housing. I had to guess about how big the plate was, so I just cut out small pieces until I figured it out. With the pictures to go by you'll have an easier time of it.  You will, of course, have to build up new material when you reassemble. I recall I used West System epoxy with a tough filler. Not rocket science, just messy, and you can then shape it back to the original size with a sander.

If you wish, send me your email address and I'll send more pictures that I didn't post here.  I'm at sangaris at aol dot com.

Craig

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Duane Siegfri
 

Karen Smith,

Novamar...that's interesting.  We received a non-renewal letter from them three weeks ago.  It said the non-renewal was due to changes in their Underwriting.  Since we are headed back to the USA (from the Caribbean) the agent went back to them with a reduced cruising area (eastern seaboard and gulf coast) and they offered insurance.  The "home port" had to be FL, not GA.  He said they are spreading their risk by only accepting a limited number of policies in each state.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: Headliner Amel 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi. A PO left a spray can of vinyl adhesive on board. Whetever the odd corner has drooped it has been very efective. A quick squirt on the offending portion. Slap it up and it stays put.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 February 2020 at 08:28 Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Me too. I had understood that the problem was only with older boats, but obviously not the case. The thought of removing and re-doing these is very off-putting given the toxicity of the material.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 28 February 2020 12:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54

 

Hi everyone;

 

Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.

 

On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.

 

Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

 



 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


 

Re: Headliner Amel 54

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Ah, ok, well that’s good t know, thanks.

 

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: 28 February 2020 19:04
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54

 

Paul,

 

   Sorry to hear that you are having some vinyl adhesion problems on your 54.  As I understand things, the toxicity is an issue with the older polyurethane foams used in the vinyl headliners so should not apply to the 54.  

 

Best,

 

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

 

On Feb 28, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

 

Me too. I had understood that the problem was only with older boats, but obviously not the case. The thought of removing and re-doing these is very off-putting given the toxicity of the material.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 28 February 2020 12:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54

 

Hi everyone;

 

Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.

 

On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.

 

Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 


-- 
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Try Anjo in Antigua if it’s only the Caribbean are you want.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 28 February 2020 23:01
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance for a USA boat

 

Hi Karen,  

  I too went with a Jackline policy. But good golly the premium is crazy.  I am relocating to St Thomas in the next month and will be spending some quality time looking for a better arrangment.    Regards

 

John Clark

SV Annie SM37

Brunswick GA 

 

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:04 PM martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:

Eric

I just got insurance for my new Maramu from Leah.

Insurance@...
Very responsive

Marty
> On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Hi Eric & Amelians,
>
> We are a US based boat, and got our cancellation notice from Pantaenius US also.  We went with Jackline, for the worldwide coverage. We also liked Novamar. We did a LOT of shopping and comparisons.
>
> We will likely do a blog post about it, once we get a chance. It was a big hassle!
>
> Karen Smith
> s/v Harmonie SM #160
>
>



--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

John Clark
 

Hi Karen,  
  I too went with a Jackline policy. But good golly the premium is crazy.  I am relocating to St Thomas in the next month and will be spending some quality time looking for a better arrangment.    Regards

John Clark
SV Annie SM37
Brunswick GA 

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:04 PM martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:
Eric

I just got insurance for my new Maramu from Leah.

Insurance@...
Very responsive

Marty
> On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Hi Eric & Amelians,
>
> We are a US based boat, and got our cancellation notice from Pantaenius US also.  We went with Jackline, for the worldwide coverage. We also liked Novamar. We did a LOT of shopping and comparisons.
>
> We will likely do a blog post about it, once we get a chance. It was a big hassle!
>
> Karen Smith
> s/v Harmonie SM #160
>
>



Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Aras
 

Yes same thing.  They wouldn't even consider underwriting.  They said they are not insuring boats in US
ARAS
SHARKI#163

Re: Maramu replacement autopilot drive motor

Jacob Champness
 

Thanks!  I think we’ll do the same.  

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Michael & Robyn
 

Hi Eric,

we had the same issue and went to https://www.yyachtinsurance.com/ from the UK.
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417

Re: Headliner Amel 54

James Alton
 

Paul,

   Sorry to hear that you are having some vinyl adhesion problems on your 54.  As I understand things, the toxicity is an issue with the older polyurethane foams used in the vinyl headliners so should not apply to the 54.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220


On Feb 28, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Me too. I had understood that the problem was only with older boats, but obviously not the case. The thought of removing and re-doing these is very off-putting given the toxicity of the material.
 
Cheers,
Paul
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 28 February 2020 12:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54
 
Hi everyone;
 
Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.
 
On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.
 
Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.
 
Happy Sailing;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
 


-- 
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Eric,

 

I received my non-renewal letter from Pantaenius USA in November for a February renewal date.  It seems that Allianz, their major underwriter, decided to exit the US marine market.  Our new policy is with Yachtinsure UK, and while the premium is 20% higher, they were the cheapest of the bunch.  I am told that Pantaenius is seeking another underwriter, but it doesn’t sound like it will happen quickly.  While I didn’t have to make a claim, my other experiences with Pantaenius were all positive.

 

I hope you have success in finding a suitable solution.

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Antibes, France

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

martin haméline
 

Eric

I just got insurance for my new Maramu from Leah.

Insurance@...
Very responsive

Marty

On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Eric & Amelians,

We are a US based boat, and got our cancellation notice from Pantaenius US also. We went with Jackline, for the worldwide coverage. We also liked Novamar. We did a LOT of shopping and comparisons.

We will likely do a blog post about it, once we get a chance. It was a big hassle!

Karen Smith
s/v Harmonie SM #160

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Karen Smith
 

Hi Eric & Amelians,

We are a US based boat, and got our cancellation notice from Pantaenius US also. We went with Jackline, for the worldwide coverage. We also liked Novamar. We did a LOT of shopping and comparisons.

We will likely do a blog post about it, once we get a chance. It was a big hassle!

Karen Smith
s/v Harmonie SM #160

Re: Leaking water heater

ofer magen
 

Thanks Arno,

I will check it.

After the replacement of the water heaters, I will open the leaking one .

Regards,

Ofer Magen

Re: Insurance for a USA boat

Matt Salatino
 

Gary Golden
Manifest Marine
Out of Annapolis

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 28, 2020, at 1:38 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I contacted Pantaenius about next year’s insurance. They said they lost their primary company and are cancelling all policies here.

They will be acting as brokers to try to find me insurance. Has anyone else run into this problem and have you found a suitable insurance company?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376