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Re: Rub rail purchase

James Watkins
 

I did understand that but in conversation and email with the company I mentioned there are a lot of us Amelians out there so it could be a really good market for a deifferent rub rail for Maramus and Sharkis.

 

Thanks for finding them as they seem quite capable.

 

Best Regards

Jim

 

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From: Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub rail purchase

 

Jim, I was just going to write you to tell you that your rubrail is of a different design,so I could not include you in our order,too bad. There may well be other Maramu owners wanting to join your order,making it cheaper for all.
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

 


Re: Rub rail purchase

Patrick McAneny
 

Jim, I was just going to write you to tell you that your rubrail is of a different design,so I could not include you in our order,too bad. There may well be other Maramu owners wanting to join your order,making it cheaper for all.
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Rub rail purchase

James Watkins
 

Pat  I am the owner of a Maramu hull 185 and am going to also replace the rubrail but as I understand it is quite different than the one you are ordering.  Only send this to let you know that I am also in the process of ordering a die to do a new rub rail from Techno Rubber Industries also.  Only mention it as they may be even sharper on pricing if a couple of different Amel models are ordering from them.  I don’t have any idea if other Maramu or Sharki owers would like to replace their rub rail but getting more order for a custom part always saves money and after thirty years or so they do need replacing. 

 

Best Regards

Jim Watkins

Act II Maramu hull 185

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From: Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub rail purchase

 

Vladimir, I have a sketch that Maude sent me,which I will send. But the rub rail is going to be fabricated based on an actual piece of rubrail to be certain it is an exact reproduction. They will send me a sample before production begins. I have paid for the design/die so the order is in the works. The order will be placed within the next ten days, so I urge anyone interested to join the group buy soon. The more owners that place an order will bring the price even lower.
 Thanks,
Par
Shenanigans #123

 


Re: Rub rail purchase

Patrick McAneny
 

Vladimir, I have a sketch that Maude sent me,which I will send. But the rub rail is going to be fabricated based on an actual piece of rubrail to be certain it is an exact reproduction. They will send me a sample before production begins. I have paid for the design/die so the order is in the works. The order will be placed within the next ten days, so I urge anyone interested to join the group buy soon. The more owners that place an order will bring the price even lower.
 Thanks,
Par
Shenanigans #123


Re: Masse negative leak

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Bill,
So I took off the negative cables from the master switch one by one and checked the Masse indicator. Fault turns out to be on the biggest cable which is 95mm square. This is the cable that runs to the bow locker plastic electric cupboard.
So great, I assumed that it must be the windlasses or the bowthruster. Trouble is that even if I  disconnect the 95mm sq cable that goes into the cupboard and then check the indicator, the light comes on...
I can only assume the problem is between the bow locker and the battery locker, but from my investigations it is a straight run in a conduit with nothing T’d off it.
Any ideas?
Nick
S/Y Amelia anchored Mikanos with the Meltemi cranking.
AML54-019



On 22 Jul 2020, at 20:29, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Good luck. Let me know how it goes. Sometimes the cause is evasive. I should have also said the most probable suspect after the macerator pumps is anything that you have added or changed AC or DC since the MASSE last reported no negative fault. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 12:09 PM ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been playing around at trying to identify the leak to no avail. So the next step will be as you suggest. I will disconnect the battery positive cables and the remove all the negative cables from the big switch and reconnect one by one to identify the circuit at fault.

Nick 
Amelia
AML54-0197


On 22 Jul 2020, at 17:46, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Nick,

I did it by unbolting at least one of the main switches and pulling it aside. 

You can also remove the positive wire from the battery bank to the switch by unbolting it at the junction block inside the battery compartment and also remove the positive wire on the starter battery. An alternative in the battery bank which may be easier is to remove the positive wire from the battery post each of your 6 pairs of batteries (the one to the junction block).


Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 11:23 PM ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Bill,

Alas it is not the Macerators. I hate working in the space for the main battery on/off as it is so easy to short out the positive to negative with a ratchet handle... maybe I can cover the positive with plastic sheet or something...
Nick 
Stern to in Finikas Syros waiting for the Meltemi to ease just a tad...
Amelia AML54-019


On 22 Jul 2020, at 00:43, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Ofer & Nick,

Remember, the minus Masse Light means there is a connection between 24-volts negative to the Amel bonding system. The most common issue is a Jabsco Macerator pump that has developed a leak at the seal, causing a connection to the Amel Bonding. Start by disconnecting the green/yellow wire from each macerator pump. If the light no longer comes ON, you have found it. Replace that macerator pump and reconnect the green/yellow wires.

If it was not the macerator pump and the light is ON for the (-) side, it is more difficult because the individual 24-volt breakers only turn OFF the positive side (+). For a negative side (-) Masse fault, you will need to disconnect the negative wires from the negative main battery switch. On most Amels, this is the lower switch. When the light goes out, you have narrowed your search to one main circuit.

If the (+) side is ON, try turning OFF each breaker throughout the boat one at a time. Don't forget breakers for the windlass, winches, and breakers in the engine room. Do this with all breakers.

I hope this helps you.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:32 PM ofer magen <ofermagen@...> wrote:
Hi Nick,
We had the same problem.
It took long time to solve , because the light was not always ON.

The way to find where  a bad contact between the minus and the grounding system is, is to start from the main switches near the batteries, disconnect each of the cables while checking the light. Ones you find a cable that if  disconnected the is OFF, look for the equipment down the cable and check the contacts and put corrosion x.
We found the problem in the forward locker . We had a leak of water from the new Bad! installed windlass rubber deck switches that created humidity on all electrical motors in the locker.

Good luck with the challenge.
You can call me if you want more info.



Ofer Magen
A 54 160 2010
Cyprus.
+972528795540


Re: Rub rail purchase

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Pat,
Please provide more information on the rub rail.
Do do you have a sketch.

Vladimir
SM 355 "Life is Good"


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 1:21 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have sent a cross section of my rubrail ,from my Super Maramu to Techno Rubber Industries in Fla. ,they will produce a die and sample for my inspection . I intend to place an order as soon as I receive the sample and final pricing. The die will cost me $450.00 ,the rub rail will run somewhere around $11 per ft. ,roughly $1200. The more boats ordering would bring the price down and I would like to share the cost of the die. The rub rail would be slightly off white. Another owner of a Mango has already purchased from this company and was happy with the service and product. Shipping to Maryland where I live is roughly estimated to be about $200.
So if anyone would like to join me in a group buy ,please email me at , sailw32@... . I will give the final number of orders to the company as soon as I get the sample from them. They will then give me a final price based on the number of orders ,the more the less. I will probably place the order within the next ten days,so please get back to me ASAP.
Thanks,
Pat McAneny
SM Shenanigans #123


Re: Rub rail purchase

Patrick McAneny
 

Techno Rubber Industries received my rub rail sample and just sent a firm quote. The price per foot went down $2.50 a foot,however the die and design went up about $200, still the overall cost is much less than the original quote and the more owners placing an order would reduce the cost of the die per owner. 

As of now three owners have placed an order. The cost will be $8.90/ft x 104 ft = 925.60
Cost of design and die split three ways will be  $640.00 / 3 = 213
925 + 213= $ 1,138. 
So the cost for a new off white rubrail for a SM will be $1,138. , that cost will be reduced further if more owners join this group purchase. A few months ago when Bill and Karen tried to organize a group purchase I believe that there was at least 8 owners interested in purchasing a new rub rail. I hope they read and respond to this ,if they are still interested .If you are interested to join in this purchase there is only about a week to do so.
Tomorrow I will pay for the design and die , they will make a sample within a week and then do the production run a week later. We will each pay individually by credit card directly and they will ship directly to each owner. So please contact me directly if you are interested in joining the purchase.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans #123


Re: A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts

Courtney Gorman
 

Randall For two seasons I ran my bow thruster  with just the battery’s almost never starting the generator before using. that huge draw on the batteries sent them to the morgue years sooner than they should’ve died


On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Randall <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:


OK i will ask as I have semi new dead Batteries and was hoping to make it to Florida before refit. Love to know the story.

Randall
A54#56
Gibraltar

Virus-free. www.avg.com

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:08 PM Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
biggest problem with not starting the Gen is that you significantly shorten the life of your lead acid or gel batteries I'm not sure about lithiums just ask me how I know.........after killing 12 lead acid in just 2 seasons
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101 


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2020 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts

Craig, I have known Amel to "learn" and add recommendations that did not exist 30 years ago. I don't know when the generator recommendation started, but it in fact does exist.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 9:15 AM Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi John,
I stand corrected, thanks.

That you must leave the helm, go below and take, what?, 2-3 minutes to fire everything up, then return to begin docking strikes me as a procedure destined to be ignored.

Be that as it may, I can say with absolute certainty that Amel never gave that instruction for the SN ;-)
Cheers, Craig


Re: A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts

Randall Walker
 

OK i will ask as I have semi new dead Batteries and was hoping to make it to Florida before refit. Love to know the story.

Randall
A54#56
Gibraltar

Virus-free. www.avg.com


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:08 PM Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
biggest problem with not starting the Gen is that you significantly shorten the life of your lead acid or gel batteries I'm not sure about lithiums just ask me how I know.........after killing 12 lead acid in just 2 seasons
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101 


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2020 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts

Craig, I have known Amel to "learn" and add recommendations that did not exist 30 years ago. I don't know when the generator recommendation started, but it in fact does exist.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 9:15 AM Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi John,
I stand corrected, thanks.

That you must leave the helm, go below and take, what?, 2-3 minutes to fire everything up, then return to begin docking strikes me as a procedure destined to be ignored.

Be that as it may, I can say with absolute certainty that Amel never gave that instruction for the SN ;-)
Cheers, Craig


Re: A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts

Courtney Gorman
 

biggest problem with not starting the Gen is that you significantly shorten the life of your lead acid or gel batteries I'm not sure about lithiums just ask me how I know.........after killing 12 lead acid in just 2 seasons
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101 


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2020 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts

Craig, I have known Amel to "learn" and add recommendations that did not exist 30 years ago. I don't know when the generator recommendation started, but it in fact does exist.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 9:15 AM Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi John,
I stand corrected, thanks.

That you must leave the helm, go below and take, what?, 2-3 minutes to fire everything up, then return to begin docking strikes me as a procedure destined to be ignored.

Be that as it may, I can say with absolute certainty that Amel never gave that instruction for the SN ;-)
Cheers, Craig


Re: Fuel tank inspection

Aras Grinius
 

I went thru the fill valve on mine. Flexible wand pretty much did the trick

Aras
SV/FIASCO
Sharki #163 1988


On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:01 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I want to clean my fuel tank, I can only see one small cap that I assume is for the sending unit. Before I tear off the foam cover glued to the tank looking for a larger inspection port, I thought I would ask if one exists on the top of the tank.
 Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans



--
Aras Grinius


Re: Fuel tank inspection

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

There are no hatches on your tank. So if you want to inspect, you have to make one.
Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

23 juli 2020 kl. 13:29 skrev Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...>:

Michael , Ann Sofie, I don’t want to cut a new port and will do the best I can through the existing port. Thanks for the info.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Fuel tank inspection

Patrick McAneny
 

Michael , Ann Sofie, I don’t want to cut a new port and will do the best I can through the existing port. Thanks for the info.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Fuel tank inspection

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

Hi Pat,
No there is non. We hade to make i ours.

Ann-Sofie 
S/Y Lady Annila
SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

23 juli 2020 kl. 05:45 skrev michael winand via groups.io <mfw642000@...>:

Hi Pat,
 I have just been through the process, on sm251, we only have the sender opening,  I sucked out all the fuel  through the filters with my vacume extraction,  opened up the outlet , put a light into the tank, I used a rag on a stick to wipe what I could, it was one of those job's that didn't really need to be done,  it was really clean, a small amount of dark colored somthing on the bottom. About the size of a saucer.
Just a thought before cutting the top for inspection openings.
Michael  NEBO 


On Thu, 23 Jul. 2020 at 11:01 am, Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32@...> wrote:
I want to clean my fuel tank, I can only see one small cap that I assume is for the sending unit. Before I tear off the foam cover glued to the tank looking for a larger inspection port, I thought I would ask if one exists on the top of the tank.
 Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Fuel tank inspection

michael winand
 

Hi Pat,
 I have just been through the process, on sm251, we only have the sender opening,  I sucked out all the fuel  through the filters with my vacume extraction,  opened up the outlet , put a light into the tank, I used a rag on a stick to wipe what I could, it was one of those job's that didn't really need to be done,  it was really clean, a small amount of dark colored somthing on the bottom. About the size of a saucer.
Just a thought before cutting the top for inspection openings.
Michael  NEBO 


On Thu, 23 Jul. 2020 at 11:01 am, Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32@...> wrote:
I want to clean my fuel tank, I can only see one small cap that I assume is for the sending unit. Before I tear off the foam cover glued to the tank looking for a larger inspection port, I thought I would ask if one exists on the top of the tank.
 Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Shore power, small battery charger, genset, inverter.

 

Chris,

It is impossible for me to know what has been changed since 433 was built. 

You should not switch power sources with any load. The SM2k originally had an automated relay switch that gave the generator preference and would switch the main AC distribution panel from shore power to generator power. Although it was not the right thing to do, the original battery chargers would be unaffected when this happened. You do not have either of the original chargers. I am not sure that you have the relay switch above, or if the relay switch is working correctly. Your SM did not have a "standard inverter." The comfort pack did not include an inverter. There was a small inverter installed with the TV option. Are you beginning to see that there is almost no way any of us can directly help you with the known information?

As Ryan pointed out, if the Main 220 breaker is opening immediately when the smaller charger is turned ON, the fault is most likely a ground fault. That ground fault is likely an issue with the internal electronics of that charger or the wiring to that charger. There is no way that I can foresee anyone being able to give you specific instructions to a solution. Additionally, I have no technician to recommend in Grand Cayman.

To further confuse the issue, you say, "The large charger is a (Mastervolt) Chargemaster 24/40-3" AND "The small charger is a Victron Skylla-TG 24 100" AND  If this is correct, it totally confuses me because you must have them reversed...the Victron is 100 amps and the Mastervolt is 40 amps. I am not sure which charger is working.

My best recommendation is to temporarily use only the charger that works and to find an experienced and certified marine electrician. 

When you SM was new and assuming it was sold with either the Comfort Pack or the original buyer invested in two chargers, they were: Dolphin 100 amp charger and a Dolphin 30 amp charger.  During most of the SM production, Amel did not have an inverter option but installed an inverter that the owner would provide. They installed it in the engine room and with separate circuits and receptacles for the inverter output. The AC panel and the Inverter circuit was totally separate. Amel also installed a small inverter with the TV option. That was located under the nav table. Many owners have since installed Victron Inverter Chargers rewiring the AC panel to give the Microwave and outlets direct "inverter only" power from the inverter charger. The Victron Skylla-TG 24 100 is a charger only, without the inverter capabilities.

I hope this helps you. If you would care to call me, maybe I can provide more help...number below...WhatsApp is fine.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:23 PM Christopher Bromley <bromleyc@...> wrote:

Hello Bill,

              Thank you very much for responding so swiftly.

   I am with my boat in Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands. I had assumed the small charger and the 24V to 220V inverter were part of Pure Magic's comfort package, but other than the manufacturers' operating manuals - which I have read - I am not aware of installation documentation specific to my boat. Pure Magic had one previous owner and it may help if I contact him to see if he can fill in the information. If the problem with switching on the small charger and immediately  tripping  the main 220V breaker in the autopilot compartment (and this developed only after mistakenly starting the genset with the small charger still switched on - which the SM manual expressly advises against) does not sound familar to any one, then I should probably choose between looking behind the 220V switch panel or inside the small charger for a short ( after isolating the boat from mains power) or involving a specialist electrician. I am curious to know what type of damage risk the SM manual is cautioning against when it stresses the importance of not starting the genset when there are appliances still switched on at the 220 V switch panel.Is it damage to the genset or damage to the appliances?

  If there is any other approach you would recommend I'd be grateful for your advice..

          Thanks again for your help,

             Chris Bromley

            


On July 22, 2020 at 12:35 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Chris,

I am not sure that anyone can help you here with confidence. Almost everything you listed is not original equipment. For instance a big question for me would be: Who added this equipment and is the installation documented?

Maybe we could suggest some help if you would state where you are. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 10:40 AM Christopher Bromley < bromleyc@...> wrote:
My SM Pure Magic, hull no. 433, is presently connected to shorepower @ 220V, 60 Hz. During a recent inspection I was asked to operate the Onan genset, but overlooked switching off the small battery charger on the 220V switchboard before running the genset for a few minutes. Everything controlled from the 220V swichboard is working normally except the small battery charger which usually starts off at about 35A. Now the main 220V breaker inside the rotary autopilot compartment trips off immediately if I switch on the small circuit breaker. Resetting this trip and leaving  the small charger off restores 220v & everything else on the 220V switchboard works as before. There is no sign or smell of overheated circuitry, but I think there must be a short circuit somewhere. I'd really appreciate advice on how to troubleshoot this problem or could the small charger be fried beyond repair? The small charger is a Victron Skylla-TG 24 100, if I'm looking at the right unit.
 Another couple of electrical  questions while on the forum: the large charger I only use with the genset. Typically the charger starts at about 80 - 90 A, but soon - within a minute or two - falls to 20- 30 A and tails off at less than 10A even though the battery bank is short of a full charge, perhaps down at 70%. Is there a simple adjustment I can make to the large charger to keep up its output until closer to a full charge or does the charger need a specialist electrician's attention? The large charger has operated in this way for at least a couple of years. It is a Chargemaster 24/40-3.
 Lastly, I'd like to be sure of correctly identifying the 24V to 220V inverter, the one described in the owner's manual as being capable of running the microwave long enough from the 24 V battery bank to make a cup of coffee, after which it shuts down. Where is it in the boat and how do I get the microwave to run off it rather than from shorepower or the genset? 
   Thank you for your advice,
      Chris Bromley

 

 


Fuel tank inspection

Patrick McAneny
 

I want to clean my fuel tank, I can only see one small cap that I assume is for the sending unit. Before I tear off the foam cover glued to the tank looking for a larger inspection port, I thought I would ask if one exists on the top of the tank.
 Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Shore power, small battery charger, genset, inverter.

Christopher Bromley
 

Hello Bill,

              Thank you very much for responding so swiftly.

   I am with my boat in Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands. I had assumed the small charger and the 24V to 220V inverter were part of Pure Magic's comfort package, but other than the manufacturers' operating manuals - which I have read - I am not aware of installation documentation specific to my boat. Pure Magic had one previous owner and it may help if I contact him to see if he can fill in the information. If the problem with switching on the small charger and immediately  tripping  the main 220V breaker in the autopilot compartment (and this developed only after mistakenly starting the genset with the small charger still switched on - which the SM manual expressly advises against) does not sound familar to any one, then I should probably choose between looking behind the 220V switch panel or inside the small charger for a short ( after isolating the boat from mains power) or involving a specialist electrician. I am curious to know what type of damage risk the SM manual is cautioning against when it stresses the importance of not starting the genset when there are appliances still switched on at the 220 V switch panel.Is it damage to the genset or damage to the appliances?

  If there is any other approach you would recommend I'd be grateful for your advice..

          Thanks again for your help,

             Chris Bromley

            


On July 22, 2020 at 12:35 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Chris,

I am not sure that anyone can help you here with confidence. Almost everything you listed is not original equipment. For instance a big question for me would be: Who added this equipment and is the installation documented?

Maybe we could suggest some help if you would state where you are. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 10:40 AM Christopher Bromley < bromleyc@...> wrote:
My SM Pure Magic, hull no. 433, is presently connected to shorepower @ 220V, 60 Hz. During a recent inspection I was asked to operate the Onan genset, but overlooked switching off the small battery charger on the 220V switchboard before running the genset for a few minutes. Everything controlled from the 220V swichboard is working normally except the small battery charger which usually starts off at about 35A. Now the main 220V breaker inside the rotary autopilot compartment trips off immediately if I switch on the small circuit breaker. Resetting this trip and leaving  the small charger off restores 220v & everything else on the 220V switchboard works as before. There is no sign or smell of overheated circuitry, but I think there must be a short circuit somewhere. I'd really appreciate advice on how to troubleshoot this problem or could the small charger be fried beyond repair? The small charger is a Victron Skylla-TG 24 100, if I'm looking at the right unit.
 Another couple of electrical  questions while on the forum: the large charger I only use with the genset. Typically the charger starts at about 80 - 90 A, but soon - within a minute or two - falls to 20- 30 A and tails off at less than 10A even though the battery bank is short of a full charge, perhaps down at 70%. Is there a simple adjustment I can make to the large charger to keep up its output until closer to a full charge or does the charger need a specialist electrician's attention? The large charger has operated in this way for at least a couple of years. It is a Chargemaster 24/40-3.
 Lastly, I'd like to be sure of correctly identifying the 24V to 220V inverter, the one described in the owner's manual as being capable of running the microwave long enough from the 24 V battery bank to make a cup of coffee, after which it shuts down. Where is it in the boat and how do I get the microwave to run off it rather than from shorepower or the genset? 
   Thank you for your advice,
      Chris Bromley

 

 


A55 # 003- MERIT Angelo Gandola gangaway problem

Jose Alegria
 

Dear amelians

Today de Angelo Gandola gangaway   suffered a very slight touch against the rock pier.
It does not respond to wireless, nor to wired remote control.
The circuit breakers are operational and apparently the entire electronic circuit is working.
All suggestions are welcome to put manually the gangay inside to avoid touching the dock again and how to find the cause of the gangaway not working.

Kindest regards

José Alegria
A55#003MERIT
josealegr@...
Mobile: + 351 91 866 30 37



Re: Shore power, small battery charger, genset, inverter.

 

Good catch Ryan. I thought he was talking about the Diruptor breaker. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 2:15 PM Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:
Chris,

On our SM, the main circuit breaker is also a GFCI.  On mine, this is indicated by a label reading "I∆n = 0.03A" on the circuit breaker, which means it has a 30mA ground fault limit.  Given that your breaker is tripping instantly and there is no sign of overcurrent (presumably the branch breaker for the charger is of a lower rating than the main one, so it should trip first), I bet you're seeing a ground fault.  This could be due to a failure inside the charger or something entirely unrelated.  Is the charger specified to accept both 50Hz and 60Hz AC?

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 1:49 PM Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chris,
I agree with Bill, although I would note the Victron is the large 100amp charger and the Chargemaster is the small 40amp one - you may have reversed that in your post. A starting point may be to check the connections at the circuit breaker of whichever unit it is that's tripping the mains and at the unit itself. 
Both units are 3 stage chargers and the step down points are controlled by the battery voltage, not by the % charge, so, no, you can't adjust for that. There are some adjustments you can make that are covered in your instruction manuals, but it's unlikely any are needed.
Sorry, but can't help with where your inverter is.
Assume you're in the US with 60Hz - where?
Craig