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Re: SIMPSON SERIES 8 DAVITS - electric shock

Bill Kinney
 

With all the dampness around a boat, I think it is fair to say that it can NOT be a static discharge from friction.

I have to disagree with the assumption that you can never feel a "shock" from 24VDC.  It is true you will not receive a dangerous amount of current, but under the right conditions you most certainly can receive a shock more than strong enough to feel.  I know I  have when working around batteries and bridged across the terminals with an arm wet with sweat. I wouldn't describe it as painful or scary, but it certainly is enough to get your attention. If you have a good path between the battery positive and across your body to battery negative you will feel a significant tingle, sometimes even from 12 volts. All it takes is a bit of dampness on each contact point, and it really helps if the damp has some salt in it.

Your boat has an ELCI installed as the master shutoff breaker, so you should already be protected against hazardous shocks from 220V.  But it is always a good idea to test these regularly.  They DO go bad.  And some of these devices do not work well with all types of inverters.  If you push the "test button" it should trip.  It is also possible, that post-factory wiring modifications could have bypassed this device or rendered it ineffective.

You are correct to worry about the consequences if it is 220 Volts.  That would be dangerous.  The next time you feel the shock, turn off any inverter, and stop the generator.  If you still feel the shock, it must NOT be 220V.  A multimeter will also tell you the voltage of the leaking current, without putting your body into the circuit!

These issues can be infuriating to track down, the ability to feel the shock can be very dependent on conditions, and the leaking current might come and go in complicated ways that are hard to piece together.

If the leaking current is from 24 Volts it is not dangerous to you, but it can cause serious corrosion issues to the boat. It is telling you tht the bonding/grounding system is not working correctly, and in fact might have multiple problems.  This is the most likely source of what you are feeling.

A 220V leak is unlikely, but it true, it is the other way round:  unlikely to damage the boat, but dangerous to you.  Becasue of this the possibility can't be ignored.


Re: Amel logos

Craig Briggs
 

Good deal - last year when I bought for several of us it was $65 for a set of two. (Plus $10 shipping)
--
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Amel logos

eric freedman
 

Yesterday I called the printer that made the logos for the group last time and he asked $30- for each logo. Sounds like bargain.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 5:22 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel logos

 

Perhaps someone could upload the Amel logo file to this group?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Salibra
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:02 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel logos

 

I’d love to get new Amel decals too! Will drop you an email Bill for the vector file.

Larry
SM140, Sula
Hong Kong


Re: Amel logos

 

I uploaded everything I have to folder: Amel Logos - Decals & Info
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:36 PM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
I will do it.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:12 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Perhaps someone could upload the Amel logo file to this group?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Salibra
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:02 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel logos

 

I’d love to get new Amel decals too! Will drop you an email Bill for the vector file.

Larry
SM140, Sula
Hong Kong


Added Folder /Amel Logos #file-notice

main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <noreply@...>
 

CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> added folder /Amel Logos


Re: Amel logos

 

I will do it.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:12 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Perhaps someone could upload the Amel logo file to this group?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Salibra
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:02 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel logos

 

I’d love to get new Amel decals too! Will drop you an email Bill for the vector file.

Larry
SM140, Sula
Hong Kong


Re: Amel logos

Mark Erdos
 

Perhaps someone could upload the Amel logo file to this group?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Salibra
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:02 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel logos

 

I’d love to get new Amel decals too! Will drop you an email Bill for the vector file.

Larry
SM140, Sula
Hong Kong


Re: Insurance

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Miles,

 

So glad it worked out for you. Out of curiosity, who is the underwriter of your policy?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 8:35 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance

 

A month ago, I received a notice from my insurance company saying that they were leaving the marine insurance business and that I would not have insurance after May.  After a number of very expensive and bad quotes and some nonresponses, I HAVE FOUND GOOD INSURANCE.  It helps that the CEO and the major underwriter are both avid sailors.  The company is TRITON Insurance in Newport, Rhode Island.  www.tritonins.com  p 401.619.5500 f  401.619.5501  m 401.640.4544.  

Now I just have to get back to my boat in Martinique.

Miles Bidwell, s/y Ladybug sm 216, Marina du Marin, Martinique


Updated Event: Inside Tips - &quot;How to work with a broker to Buy or Sell your Amel&quot; - ZOOM also simulcast and recorded on YouTube - Saturday, 10 April 2021 #cal-invite

main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

Inside Tips - "How to work with a broker to Buy or Sell your Amel" - ZOOM also simulcast and recorded on YouTube

When:
Saturday, 10 April 2021
20:00 to 21:00
(UTC+00:00) Etc/GMT

Where:
Internet Worldwide at 2000 hours UTC

Organizer: Bill Rouse brouse@... 8323804970

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Description:

All,

 

It is my true pleasure to announce our next ZOOM meeting for 10 April at 2000 UTC.

 

The Subject of this meeting is “How to work with a broker to Buy or Sell your Amel." Included will be tips from one of the world's most experienced Amel brokers, Joel Potter.

 

I asked Joel Potter to place some of his Amel knowledge and his love of the brand aside for this ZOOM meeting. I asked Joel to use his experience to help you understand how to best work with a yacht broker as a Buyer and as a Seller. I also asked him to provide you with some inside information and tips on how to work with any broker. I do not think that you will find this “inside information” and tips anywhere.

 

If you own an Amel, someday you will be selling her and a few tips can be worth thousands. If you plan on buying an Amel, chances are you will hear advice that will be “priceless.”

 

Joel Potter began his Amel selling career 40 years ago in 1981. Since that time and up to the present Joel has sold Amel yachts, almost exclusively. In 2015, Joel retired from selling new Amel boats after nearly 35 years of being Amels exclusive representative for all of North America in order to concentrate on selling preowned Amel boats.   

 

Joel has sold some Amels multiple times, first when they were new and up to 6 times as resales. Without a doubt, Joel knows Amels and he is one of the few brokers in the world that I recommend. Joel is amazingly linked to Amel and one of Amel’s biggest supporters. Joel has also personally owned two Super Maramus and an Amel 54.

The zoom link is: 

 

Amel Yacht Owners' Group April Gathering: 

Time: Apr 10, 2021 20:00 GMT

 

Join Zoom Meeting

https://epfl.zoom.us/j/83328154757?pwd=NFRVOXNuRTI0ZTY4d09HOEZHVjFoZz09

 

Meeting ID: 833 2815 4757

Passcode: 550827

 

 

And the YouTube link is: https://youtu.be/AiFLSZQGaIM


Updated Event: Inside Tips - &quot;How to work with a broker to Buy or Sell your Amel&quot; - ZOOM also simulcast and recorded on YouTube - Saturday, 10 April 2021 #cal-invite

main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

Inside Tips - "How to work with a broker to Buy or Sell your Amel" - ZOOM also simulcast and recorded on YouTube

When:
Saturday, 10 April 2021
20:00 to 21:00
(UTC+00:00) Etc/GMT

Where:
Internet Worldwide at 2000 hours UTC

Organizer: Bill Rouse brouse@... 8323804970

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Description:

All,

 

It is my true pleasure to announce our next ZOOM meeting for 10 April at 2000 UTC.

 

The Subject of this meeting is “How to work with a broker to Buy or Sell your Amel." Included will be tips from one of the world's most experienced Amel brokers, Joel Potter.

 

I asked Joel Potter to place some of his Amel knowledge and his love of the brand aside for this ZOOM meeting. I asked Joel to use his experience to help you understand how to best work with a yacht broker as a Buyer and as a Seller. I also asked him to provide you with some inside information and tips on how to work with any broker. I do not think that you will find this “inside information” and tips anywhere.

 

If you own an Amel, someday you will be selling her and a few tips can be worth thousands. If you plan on buying an Amel, chances are you will hear advice that will be “priceless.”

 

Joel Potter began his Amel selling career 40 years ago in 1981. Since that time and up to the present Joel has sold Amel yachts, almost exclusively. In 2015, Joel retired from selling new Amel boats after nearly 35 years of being Amels exclusive representative for all of North America in order to concentrate on selling preowned Amel boats.   

 

Joel has sold some Amels multiple times, first when they were new and up to 6 times as resales. Without a doubt, Joel knows Amels and he is one of the few brokers in the world that I recommend. Joel is amazingly linked to Amel and one of Amel’s biggest supporters. Joel has also personally owned two Super Maramus and an Amel 54.

The zoom link is: 

 

Amel Yacht Owners' Group April Gathering: 

Time: Apr 10, 2021 20:00 GMT

 

Join Zoom Meeting

https://epfl.zoom.us/j/83328154757?pwd=NFRVOXNuRTI0ZTY4d09HOEZHVjFoZz09

 

Meeting ID: 833 2815 4757

Passcode: 550827

 

 

And the YouTube link is: https://youtu.be/AiFLSZQGaIM


Re: Insurance

karkauai
 

Hi Miles,
How do your new insurance premiums compare with the Jackline Policy?  Who is the underwriter?.

We'll be sailing up to Maine this Summer, if you're going to be in Newport, I'd love to stop for a visit, either on the way up or back down.

Thanks, and Hi to Carol
Kent and Iris
Kristy
SM 243
 


--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Dessalator-maintenance

Giovanni TESTA
 

Ciao Maurizio,
dal nome immagino tu sia Italiano, o spero almeno che tu lo possa capire.
Per avere un'assistenza qualificata Dessalator in Italia _ seguendo il suggerimento di Bill_ ti suggerirei di contattare
 Philippe Vignes, Dessalator Italia.
italia@...
cell 3389495575
Mi ha risolto molti problemi sin da quando son partito per il Giro del Mondo_2007.
E' di una straordinaria cortese disponibilità....lavarava in Dessalator.
Buon Vento
Giovanni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM 428
https://www.youtube.com/user/eutikia1

Il 24/03/2021 16:53, Ceriolim via groups.io ha scritto:
Hi Bill and members of this group,good day to you all and hope all is well and covid-19 free .
Here in Italy at the moment we are suffering total lockdown in most of the regions.
This is my second time I send a message to the group and in particular to you Bill , looking for advice.
My name is Maurizio SM2 #447 and I'm based in Italy.I follow you Bill since your navigation around the world.(you been ideed a great inspiration )
I'm now reconditioning my dessalator (only 34 hours of use) and the question I kindly ask to you and to the group is this:
From below photo attached, your knowledge and experience, do you think the part is having a leak? Bill, Your photos of the back of the panel has been a great help to understand the circuit...thanks so much.
From the back of the panel I didn't notice any evidence of water dropping neather on the foor.
What is your advise ? What should I do? I'm confused. Is there a real leak or is something else?I changed the HP tube from  panel to membrane because of a leack in the engine room, (one drop every 5 seconds) , I purchased Loctite 577 (new product for this kind of ermetic application) and I will be ready soon to riconnect the all circuit.
Thanks in advance for any advice you might have for me.
Kind regards
Maurizio


Primary headsail sheet winches

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi All,

a little while ago I asked if anyone had experience of removing the electric motor from under the sheet winches. I think is was Eric that responded while I think Bill R said he had not heard of this being done. {I could be corrected on this} So there possibly being a task few have undertaken I offer the following.

The oil seal between the oil filled gearbox and the electric 24v motor began leaking. The first I knew of it was the electric winch didn't operate. Happily I found removal of the gearbox and electric motor one of the simplest operations I have undertaken. Once I had cleared the large port cockpit locker for access and gathered my tools it took about 15 minutes.

There are 4 quite easily accessed studs holding the gearbox to the base of the winch. I was fortunate the he who never sleeps (rust) had not found those studs, nor thanks to liberal application of grease by Amel had it found the shaft between the winch and the gearbox so once the studs were undone a little wiggle and down it came.

The motor and gearbox have a combined weight of about 15 kg (33lbs) so care had to be taken to avoid dropping it onto my face or other vulnerable parts further south.

Upon removing the motor from the gearbox replacement of the oil seal was simple. Remove the end cap from the gearbox with the opening upwards to avoid oil loss. Press out the old seal and press in the new. Take care not to damage the gasket between the end cap and the gearbox.

Unfortunately the motor was irreparable. The oil appeared to have caused arcing of the commutator. So I was faced with replacing a motor Amel had bought from Lewmar in 2000, a mere 21 years ago. I went to a winch supplier who cheerfully told me I would have to buy lock stock and barrel, a winch, gearbox and motor.

Fortunately I have a marine electrician in Opua New Zealand {Opua Marine Electrics) who knows how to source things. Overnight I had the identical motor in my hands in Opua, obtained from a Lewmar stockist. I salute Lewmar for maintaining the same motor, Amel for choosing Lewmar and Amel for that liberal application of grease.

Given how easy the gearbox and motor is to remove and refit can I suggest any Amel owner with a boat 20 years or older should consider a preventative maintenance replacement of the oil seal. Unfortunately because the motor is well sealed there is no way to know the seal is leaking until damage is done.

Choice: a $10 seal or a NZ$750 new motor.

Danny

SM 299 

Ocean Pearl


Re: Thru hull dimensions

eric freedman
 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Kaplan,Andre
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Thru hull dimensions


To all,

I have a 1988 Mango and I find that the thru hull which feeds the forward head no longer has a working handle ( it moves but does not allow water in). This thru hull also supplies the anchor wash. Luckily, I’m about to pull the boat for bottom painting and commissioning. Does anyone know the size of this thru hull?

Thank you

Andre Kaplan
Mango 72 88
Westbrook, CT


Re: Thru hull dimensions

eric freedman
 

Andre,
I do not know the dimension of the thru hull, however if I were to change one, I would use a marelon one with a matching ball valve.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Kaplan,Andre
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Thru hull dimensions


To all,

I have a 1988 Mango and I find that the thru hull which feeds the forward head no longer has a working handle ( it moves but does not allow water in). This thru hull also supplies the anchor wash. Luckily, I’m about to pull the boat for bottom painting and commissioning. Does anyone know the size of this thru hull?

Thank you

Andre Kaplan
Mango 72 88
Westbrook, CT


Insurance

Miles
 

A month ago, I received a notice from my insurance company saying that they were leaving the marine insurance business and that I would not have insurance after May.  After a number of very expensive and bad quotes and some nonresponses, I HAVE FOUND GOOD INSURANCE.  It helps that the CEO and the major underwriter are both avid sailors.  The company is TRITON Insurance in Newport, Rhode Island.  www.tritonins.com  p 401.619.5500 f  401.619.5501  m 401.640.4544.  

Now I just have to get back to my boat in Martinique.

Miles Bidwell, s/y Ladybug sm 216, Marina du Marin, Martinique


Re: Dessalator-maintenance

 

Maurizio,

It appears to me that the "discard hose" was not connected tight and leaked. This connection is not high pressure, but pressure can build up if the valve below is turned off.

I cannot be sure without testing, but I believe that you can clean up this pipe where the hose connects (green circle) and reconnect the hose using silicone sealant on the pipe and 2 hose clamps. I would also use a steel brush to remove the corrosion and treat the metal with CorrosionX. This part will get dissimilar metal corrosion (red circle) in all Dessalator watermakers and should be coated with CossosionX by brushing-on.
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This is the cause of the dissimilar metal corrosion:
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As an alternative, you can contact Dessalator. They can supply you with a new part. Dessalator <contact@...>

I hope this helps.




CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 10:53 AM Ceriolim via groups.io <ceriolim=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill and members of this group,good day to you all and hope all is well and covid-19 free .
Here in Italy at the moment we are suffering total lockdown in most of the regions.
This is my second time I send a message to the group and in particular to you Bill , looking for advice.
My name is Maurizio SM2 #447 and I'm based in Italy.I follow you Bill since your navigation around the world.(you been ideed a great inspiration )
I'm now reconditioning my dessalator (only 34 hours of use) and the question I kindly ask to you and to the group is this:
From below photo attached, your knowledge and experience, do you think the part is having a leak? Bill, Your photos of the back of the panel has been a great help to understand the circuit...thanks so much.
From the back of the panel I didn't notice any evidence of water dropping neather on the foor.
What is your advise ? What should I do? I'm confused. Is there a real leak or is something else?I changed the HP tube from  panel to membrane because of a leack in the engine room, (one drop every 5 seconds) , I purchased Loctite 577 (new product for this kind of ermetic application) and I will be ready soon to riconnect the all circuit.
Thanks in advance for any advice you might have for me.
Kind regards
Maurizio


Re: Amel logos

Ceriolim
 

I found the file from 2018 message. Thanks a Lot and IOU1 :)
Maurizio


Dessalator maintenance

Ceriolim
 

Hi Bill and members of this group,good day to you all and hope all is well and covid-19 free .
Here in Italy at the moment we are suffering total lockdown in most of the regions.
This is my second time I send a message to the group and in particular to you Bill , looking for advice.
My name is Maurizio SM2 #447 and I'm based in Italy.I follow you Bill since your navigation around the world.(you been ideed a great inspiration )
I'm now reconditioning my dessalator (only 34 hours of use) and the question I kindly ask to you and to the group is this:
From below photo attached, your knowledge and experience, do you think the part is having a leak? Bill, Your photos of the back of the panel has been a great help to understand the circuit...thanks so much.
From the back of the panel I didn't notice any evidence of water dropping neather on the foor.
What is your advise ? What should I do? I'm confused. Is there a real leak or is something else?I changed the HP tube from  panel to membrane because of a leack in the engine room, (one drop every 5 seconds) , I purchased Loctite 577 (new product for this kind of ermetic application) and I will be ready soon to riconnect the all circuit.
Thanks in advance for any advice you might have for me.
Kind regards
Maurizio


Dessalator-maintenance

Ceriolim
 

Hi Bill and members of this group,good day to you all and hope all is well and covid-19 free .
Here in Italy at the moment we are suffering total lockdown in most of the regions.
This is my second time I send a message to the group and in particular to you Bill , looking for advice.
My name is Maurizio SM2 #447 and I'm based in Italy.I follow you Bill since your navigation around the world.(you been ideed a great inspiration )
I'm now reconditioning my dessalator (only 34 hours of use) and the question I kindly ask to you and to the group is this:
From below photo attached, your knowledge and experience, do you think the part is having a leak? Bill, Your photos of the back of the panel has been a great help to understand the circuit...thanks so much.
From the back of the panel I didn't notice any evidence of water dropping neather on the foor.
What is your advise ? What should I do? I'm confused. Is there a real leak or is something else?I changed the HP tube from  panel to membrane because of a leack in the engine room, (one drop every 5 seconds) , I purchased Loctite 577 (new product for this kind of ermetic application) and I will be ready soon to riconnect the all circuit.
Thanks in advance for any advice you might have for me.
Kind regards
Maurizio

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