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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Illustration of the Onan Exhaust Elbow Replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

My pleasure Vladimir and Derick,

I am glad this can help the group!
As time goes I will make more of these!

I purchase mine from Onan when I was in San Juan Puerto Rico
http://nikimat.com/spare_parts_ONAN_MDKAL_B_Specs_12_volt.html
The cost was $475 plus tax. It is item: PN 155-3261-02 (E086)
You also need the Exhaust Gasket PN 185-6853: at $7.50 (I bought a few)
I also purchase spare bolt and upon Bill recommendation changed the 8 mm Washer locks (not purchased from Onan).

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI





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On Fri, 12/16/16, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Illustration of the Onan Exhaust Elbow Replacement
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, December 16, 2016, 6:02 PM


 









Alexandere,
Thank you very mych for your detail
instructions with good photos.

Your work is highly appreciated by all of us.

Please advice where did you buy the elbow and how much it
cost.
Vladimir,

SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"



On Sep 3, 2016 5:07 PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 













Reading about Gary Silver SM#335 Liahona, Mike Gough SM 378,
Mike Ondra SM#240 Aletes about their Exhaust Mixing Elbow
(and Exhaust manifold) being blocked with carbon build up, I
decided to purchase a spare Exhaust Mixing Elbow, several
Exhaust gaskets, and change mine as preventive maintenance,
having 2014 hours on the Onan generator.



For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by new
maintenance they have not performed yet, I illustrated the
“Exhaust Elbow Replacement” on the Onan generator.



Please do not hesitate to comment, especially if I made
error, as this can only be beneficial for our group.

I can already say that re-reading Gary’s email on Feb 12,
2016, I forgot to add a thin coat of Permatex High
Temperature RTV…



Here is the link: 

http://nikimat.com/onan_
exhaust_elbow_replacement.html



For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 6 sections.




If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version
(37 pictures). 



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Danny,
When you get the chance, could you please send a picture!
I also have the Yamaha Endure 15 HP (2 cycle) and I didn’t manage to make it fit vertically… So I lay mine down (which is fine by me)
I have the round recess in the floor.

Hope we get to meet! So many interesting setups on every boats!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



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On Fri, 12/16/16, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, December 16, 2016, 5:25 PM


 









Hi
Kent,I
have the same motor as you and it does fit on the bracket
and the lid closes. As I said before, with a wriggle or two.
There is a round recess in the floor of the lazarette below
that bracket for the toe of the motor to sit in, you have
that?RegardsDannySM
299 Ocean Pearl



From: "Kent
Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...>

To:
amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 17
December 2016 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit


 









I
occasionally drop my outboard (a 15HP Yamaha 2-stroke) over
the port rail or to put it in the aft lazarette.  Mine does
not fit on the bracket in the lazarette and allow the hatch
to close. It's easy to lift it up as far as it will go
to the boom, then lift the lower end over the rail.  I
still haven't put a block at the spreaders, I just run
it over the block at the end of the boom to the portside
winch on the mizzen, and usually just crank it by hand.  If
I ever get around to putting the block at the spreaders, I
envision lifting the boom with the same line once the
outboard reaches the boom. Any reason you couldn't do
that?

KentKristy
SM244






























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

Ian
 

Kent
My Santorin came with a halfway halliard (a block at the spreaders) specifically to crane things out of the lazarette using either of the mizzenmast boom blocks. It's a godsend.
Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pickling watermaker

David Wallace
 

We also do not pickle our water maker, having been dissatisfied with both SMBSulphite and propylene glycol. We flush with own freshwater for 45-60 sec (about 8 liters) after every use. For extended periods without use, we flush with 200 liters after removing the pre filters. We have left the system for 6  months over the summer in the Sea of Cortez with no problems on return. It does take about 20 minutes to give satisfactory water after the extended inactivity. We’ve done this for 7 years now on these membranes (we have 2 40” ones).

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Puerto Escondido, Sea of Cortez, Mx
  

On Oct 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Tm with you on this Eric,
I approached the Watermaker with fear and trembling. How to care for it, how to clean it how to pickle it. When to pickle it. How long could you leave it before you should pickle it. 
I am grateful to the advice from this group which lead me to the fresh water back flush. Now I just back flush with fresh water after every use. There are times I leave it untouched for two months or more when I am away from the boat. I just start it up, run to waste for a few minutes and all good. The membranes are still good. 120 ppm. The pre filter does need changing periodically but that would apply anyway.
It is some years since we put any outside water into our tanks. Got to avoid introducing chlorine. Another good bit of advice from this group.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2016 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pickling watermaker

 
Alan,
When I leave the boat at a marina and am away for a month or more I pay the dockmaster to run my watermaker. I added a switch to the fresh water pump in the engine room , so that the only time the pressure water is on is when they run the watermaker.
Works for me but each case is unique. I just lost faith in sodium- whatever as it destroyed all the fittings and bobbin on my watermaker.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:25 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pickling watermaker
 
 
Hi Eric,
That's fine if you are near the boat, or can guarantee that you always have enough fresh water and do what Bill on Bebe did with a solenoid valve and a timer to flush the system regularly, but my point was the distinction between SMBsulphate and sulphite which are completely different chemicals.
I prefer to follow what the membrane manufacturer says, rather than what somebody "believes" to be true.
But each to his own....whatever works for you can be fine for you...but maybe not for me...
Cheers
Alan'
Elyse SM437




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Illustration of the Onan Exhaust Elbow Replacement

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Alexandere,

Thank you very mych for your detail instructions with good photos.
Your work is highly appreciated by all of us.
Please advice where did you buy the elbow and how much it cost.

Vladimir,
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


On Sep 3, 2016 5:07 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 



Reading about Gary Silver SM#335 Liahona, Mike Gough SM 378, Mike Ondra SM#240 Aletes about their Exhaust Mixing Elbow (and Exhaust manifold) being blocked with carbon build up, I decided to purchase a spare Exhaust Mixing Elbow, several Exhaust gaskets, and change mine as preventive maintenance, having 2014 hours on the Onan generator.

For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by new maintenance they have not performed yet, I illustrated the “Exhaust Elbow Replacement” on the Onan generator.

Please do not hesitate to comment, especially if I made error, as this can only be beneficial for our group.
I can already say that re-reading Gary’s email on Feb 12, 2016, I forgot to add a thin coat of Permatex High Temperature RTV…

Here is the link: 
http://nikimat.com/onan_exhaust_elbow_replacement.html

For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 6 sections.

If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version (37 pictures). 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

karkauai
 

Hi Danny, I do have that recess, but it still doesn't fit.  I guess I gave a longer lower unit than you do.
Kent

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Dec 16, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,
I have the same motor as you and it does fit on the bracket and the lid closes. As I said before, with a wriggle or two. There is a round recess in the floor of the lazarette below that bracket for the toe of the motor to sit in, you have that?
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

 
I occasionally drop my outboard (a 15HP Yamaha 2-stroke) over the port rail or to put it in the aft lazarette.  Mine does not fit on the bracket in the lazarette and allow the hatch to close. It's easy to lift it up as far as it will go to the boom, then lift the lower end over the rail.  I still haven't put a block at the spreaders, I just run it over the block at the end of the boom to the portside winch on the mizzen, and usually just crank it by hand.  If I ever get around to putting the block at the spreaders, I envision lifting the boom with the same line once the outboard reaches the boom. Any reason you couldn't do that?

Kent
Kristy
SM244


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,
I have the same motor as you and it does fit on the bracket and the lid closes. As I said before, with a wriggle or two. There is a round recess in the floor of the lazarette below that bracket for the toe of the motor to sit in, you have that?
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

 
I occasionally drop my outboard (a 15HP Yamaha 2-stroke) over the port rail or to put it in the aft lazarette.  Mine does not fit on the bracket in the lazarette and allow the hatch to close. It's easy to lift it up as far as it will go to the boom, then lift the lower end over the rail.  I still haven't put a block at the spreaders, I just run it over the block at the end of the boom to the portside winch on the mizzen, and usually just crank it by hand.  If I ever get around to putting the block at the spreaders, I envision lifting the boom with the same line once the outboard reaches the boom. Any reason you couldn't do that?

Kent
Kristy
SM244


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Illustration of the Onan Exhaust Elbow Replacement

Derick Gates
 

Based on they previous recommendations and using Alexandre's wonderful pictures I just had the Onan exhaust elbow and manifold joint examined for carbon buildup. Sure enough, the manifold side was narrowed down to the size of a large olive.  Up to the time of this examination I did not notice any diminution of the generator running characteristics, but it would have been only a matter of time.  I am so glad that it was looked after preventively.  

Fair winds,

 Derick Gates

SM2K#400 Brava
Currently in Le Marin, Martinique

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

karkauai
 

I occasionally drop my outboard (a 15HP Yamaha 2-stroke) over the port rail or to put it in the aft lazarette.  Mine does not fit on the bracket in the lazarette and allow the hatch to close. It's easy to lift it up as far as it will go to the boom, then lift the lower end over the rail.  I still haven't put a block at the spreaders, I just run it over the block at the end of the boom to the portside winch on the mizzen, and usually just crank it by hand.  If I ever get around to putting the block at the spreaders, I envision lifting the boom with the same line once the outboard reaches the boom. Any reason you couldn't do that?

Kent
Kristy
SM244

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Mohammad,

thanks for the pictures; it does indeed look very similar to ours, so I feel more comfortable it could fit a 20HP 4-stroke. I'll review my measurements. Thanks for the input!

One more question: in order to lift the outboard comfortably over the pushpit (with the block at the end of the mizzen boom), we would need to raise the boom by pulling in the topping lift, but I couldn't find a way to do that... Any advice?

Best,

Thomas
GARULFO Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:49 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Paul;

 

As far as I can see (Without actual measurements) your Lazarette is the same configuration as ours. I’m not aware of any changes that Amel made to the Aft Lazarette layout. May be others would have more information. I’ve attached a couple of pictures that I took after the stainless steel U Bracket was installed. But our 20 HP 4 stroke Yamaha does fit in this space. You have to work it the right way but after a couple of times you get the hang of it. I have always had one person help out but I do have the strap to lift it and plan on trying out with the Mizzen boom next time.

 

https://1drv.ms/f/s!ArzA8nAIvtBHivcVRp77hreA1QI3gA

 

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
323-633-2222 Cell
310-454-3148 Fax

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Running both chargers at same time

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ben,

If you look at the original Super Maramu owner manual (for vessel equipped with the 30 Amp and 50 Amp Dolphin) it said (using the genset) to start the 2nd charger 1 minute after the 1st one.
Therefore on the following Super Maramu owner (vessel equipped with the 30 and the 100 Amp Dolphin) it no longer mention using both.
Could it be related to the size of the wires going from the charger to the batteries? I don’t know.

If I were you, to be on the safe side, I would ask both Dolphin and Mastervolt their opinion on that.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI




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On Fri, 12/16/16, @JoeDoakes [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Running both chargers at same time
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, December 16, 2016, 9:09 AM


 









A local electrician told me yesterday
that there is no issue running both my chargers
simultaneously (30 amp Dolphin and newer 60 amp Mastervolt).
 He essentialy said they would charge faster with no
problems.  I believe I read in Amel manual not to do this.
 Can someone tell me why this is bad idea - if it is?
 
Ben
DriverLa Bella
VitaSM #347

Re: Running both chargers at same time

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

If we will be on shorepower for 24 hrs or more, we run only one charger.

Any other condition, or powering from the genset, we run two chargers simultaneously (100A and 30A Mastervolts)

Some say it may even be good to do this for traditional batteries.  Don't know if that's true or not.  We have AGMs and we simply do it to get as much out of the generator (or the temporary dock) as possible.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K No. 350

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi Peregrinus,

are you in Venezia, Italy ?

Giovanni Testa

sv EUTIKIA


Il 16/12/2016 14.01, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:
 

Hello Gerhard,


Ours is an 8HP 4-stroke Tohatsu.  Fits perfectly in the lazarette.

The Tohatsu 10HP is the same size/weighs 1 more kilo, I think.  We did not get it because it would have exceeded the power rating on our Zodiac's manufacturer plate.  Ours is almost 4 years old, always starts at the 1st pull.

The Tohatsu may be sold as a Nissan or a Mercury in certain markets, so check carefully.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K #350
Venice



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi Peregrenus,


I'm also looking for a bigger outboard motor as my 2.3 Honda is too small for longer dinghy trips.  I would want to be able to store it in the lazarette.  Can you tell me what brand and size outboard you have?


Many thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SY Pepino 381

Evia, Greece


Running both chargers at same time

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

A local electrician told me yesterday that there is no issue running both my chargers simultaneously (30 amp Dolphin and newer 60 amp Mastervolt).  He essentialy said they would charge faster with no problems.  I believe I read in Amel manual not to do this.  Can someone tell me why this is bad idea - if it is?  


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Hello Gerhard,

Ours is an 8HP 4-stroke Tohatsu.  Fits perfectly in the lazarette.

The Tohatsu 10HP is the same size/weighs 1 more kilo, I think.  We did not get it because it would have exceeded the power rating on our Zodiac's manufacturer plate.  Ours is almost 4 years old, always starts at the 1st pull.

The Tohatsu may be sold as a Nissan or a Mercury in certain markets, so check carefully.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K #350
Venice



---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

Hi Peregrenus,


I'm also looking for a bigger outboard motor as my 2.3 Honda is too small for longer dinghy trips.  I would want to be able to store it in the lazarette.  Can you tell me what brand and size outboard you have?


Many thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SY Pepino 381

Evia, Greece

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Danny,


I know the 15HP 2 stroke Yamaha is the ideal outboard for us but 2 strokes are not allowed to be sold in the EU now for the last few years.  I'm looking for a 4 stroke alternative.


Thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SY Pepino 381

Evia, Greece

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Gerhard,
We have a 15hp two stroke Yamaha outboard, I am probably biased but we consider this the best cruiser outboard available, power and reliability.
We lift it from the dinghy to the to the side rail with a rope run over the block at the end of the mizzen boom, around a block on the mizzen mast and then to the mainsheet electric winch. Coastal and inshore we leave it on the rail. Offshore clamped to the bracket in the starboard side of the lazarette. We lower it in with the rope on the mizzen boom and with a bit of a wiggle and squiggle it fits neatly in. Off shore we store the fuel tank in the lazarette too. We belong to the school that likes nothing stored on deck. If you research you will find many horror stories of damage caused when breaking seas meet large items secured to life lines, rails etc.
Happy motor hunting.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand



From: pepinoamel
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 16 December 2016 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

 
Hi Peregrenus,

I'm also looking for a bigger outboard motor as my 2.3 Honda is too small for longer dinghy trips.  I would want to be able to store it in the lazarette.  Can you tell me what brand and size outboard you have?

Many thanks.

Gerhard Hoffmann
SY Pepino 381
Evia, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Peregrenus,


I'm also looking for a bigger outboard motor as my 2.3 Honda is too small for longer dinghy trips.  I would want to be able to store it in the lazarette.  Can you tell me what brand and size outboard you have?


Many thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SY Pepino 381

Evia, Greece

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Paul;

 

As far as I can see (Without actual measurements) your Lazarette is the same configuration as ours. I’m not aware of any changes that Amel made to the Aft Lazarette layout. May be others would have more information. I’ve attached a couple of pictures that I took after the stainless steel U Bracket was installed. But our 20 HP 4 stroke Yamaha does fit in this space. You have to work it the right way but after a couple of times you get the hang of it. I have always had one person help out but I do have the strap to lift it and plan on trying out with the Mizzen boom next time.

 

https://1drv.ms/f/s!ArzA8nAIvtBHivcVRp77hreA1QI3gA

 

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
323-633-2222 Cell
310-454-3148 Fax

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] outboard weight limit on stern pulpit

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Bill,

In addition to using both clamps on the wooden stand in the rail/lifeline, we always turn the motor to one side and tie it tightly if we move the boat or if it will get wavy at the anchorage, precisely to keep it from swinging and causing damage.

For any passage, short or long, where we may face any wave action, we store the gasoline motor in the lazarette.

This year 2016, our 37 Kg (82 lb) motor spent most of the year in the lazarette, however, as we relied on the Torqeedo (9 Kg) about 80% of the time.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K Nr. 350
Venice