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Re: Frigoboat Keel Cooler

Terence Singh
 

Hey Bill, good to catch up after Hawaii! I read your blog when ever you post...keep it coming!

Appreciate you sharing.

What confuses me is the language on the "Yellow Sticker" It stated that connecting the Keel Cooler prevents it from becoming positive. I believe this might be a poor translation (or bad interpretation on my part) for "prevents corrosion"

Terry Singh
SV Libby #196
Maple Bay, BC


Re: Frigoboat Keel Cooler

greatketch@...
 

Terry,

A data point for you:

On our boat the Frigoboat keelcoolers are connected to the grounding system and not the battery negative. They work fine and show no signs of corrosion 10 years after installation.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ


Frigoboat Keel Cooler

Terence Singh
 

Just sent this to Coastal Climate Control, whom I purchased my Frigoboat Keel Cooler.


Is there any advise as to where to connect the Keel Cooler grounding tab to?


Hello Maureen, I finally got around to installing my Keel cooler…the boat is hauled out as we speak!

The Yellow sticker in the packaging states that the keel cooler should ALWAYS be connected to the negative battery.
I need to question this with you on an Amel Super Maramu. 

The bonding system is completely isolated from the negative DC side of the entire ship. Everything I have ever read states that the bonding system should not be attached to the negative battery circuit.

Can you tell me if it is ok to to connect the Keel cooler to the ships bonding system and not the battery negative?

Thanks in advance,

Terry
720-471-0887



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

I would like to test those capacitors...I think that they might charge when power goes to the control unit. Of course his problem could be anything, but I had his exact problem and changing out the Compressor RUN Capacitor (40uf) solved the issue.

Bill



On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:30 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,
when the thermostat is in the neutral position there is no AC going to the unit. Thus a bad capacitor would not make any difference.
Fair Winds,
Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"

> I think Eric is right and I think that the first thing I would
> do is
> replace the two capacitors I mentioned earlier.
>
> Best,
>
> Bill Rouse
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Alexandre,
> > with the switch In neutral position the AC unit is off. I
> would suspect a
> > short in the wiring somewhere. it could be anywhere.
> > Good luck,
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... 
> [amelyachtowners]"> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220
> > Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > I run the forward air conditioning without problem.
> > >
> > > As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air Conditioning with the
> > > switch in neutral position (neither cold not hot) and right away
> > > the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip (as well as the
> > > marina).
> > > What does that tell you?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alexandre,
> > > there is a switch and thermostat by each AC unit. when
> > > the switch is in neutral position does the breaker still
> > > trip? if not does it trip when the switch is in the heat
> > > position?
> > > To discharge the capacitor take a wire with insulated
> > > alligator clips put one clip on the body of the pump or case
> > > and the other clip to a lug of the capacitor.
> > > Fair winds,
> > > Eric
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alexandre Uster von
> > > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:55 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Good morning John, Mark,
> > > Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > >
> > > your replies,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
> > > > compressor…
> > > >
> > > > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > “discharge them” prior
> > > > to testing?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Eric, I did not
> > > really understand the: “if the AC switch is off
> > > > at the thermostat does it still trip the
> > > breaker?”
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
> > > [amelyachtowners]
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Subject: Re:
> > > [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> > > marina
> > > > To:
> > > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date:
> > > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Alexandre.
> > > > if the AC switch is off at the thermostat
> > > does it still
> > > > trip the breaker?
> > > > The breaker on the AC panel side is a
> > > quick blow
> > > > circuit breaker, If there is
> > > a short it will
> > > > trip before the
> > > diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > > >
> > > thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> > > > Check the continuity of the compressor to
> > > ground. If
> > > > there is a short to ground
> > > the compressor is dead.
> > > > Fair Winds,
> > > > Eric
> > > > sm 376
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original
> > > > Message -----
> > > > From:
> > > "Alexandre
> > > > Uster von
> > > >
> > > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> > > > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> > > Air
> > > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> > > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > To:
> > > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > > Good afternoon,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Today, I hear the
> > > > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the
> > > one
> > > > > behind the panel).
> > > > > I
> > > > found out the
> > > fuse of the marina also trip.
> > > > >
> > > > > After running tests,
> > > > the cause is the Aft Cabin Air
> > > Conditioning
> > > > > (which I have been
> > > using non stop for 9
> > > > days).
> > > > >
> > > > > Running
> > > > the salon does not trip anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > What could
> > > be the cause?
> > > > > How to diagnostic
> > > and solve the issue?
> > > > >
> > > > > Did I use too much
> > > > the air conditioning?
> > > >
> > > > How come the
> > > > Diruptor did not
> > > trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> > > > >
> > > How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > Alexandre
> > > > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > > > > Port de Gustavia, Saint
> > > Barthélémy,
> > > > FWI
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Water pump for Climma A/C

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

This will help you get your capacitor...for the exact match, order it from Coastal Climate Control coastalclimatecontrol.com>. Tell them that the pump is a Calpeda BCM20E


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Here goes, I will attempt to explain, but frankly Eric is much better at this because he is an electrical engineer. My explanation assumes you are connected to EU type shore power...If not, 1.) let me know and 2.) try running the AC with your generator and let me know the outcome.

A GFI Circuit will OPEN when there is an imbalance between the HOT wire (Brown) and the RETURN (Blue) within a particular circuit. Most GFI's are set to OPEN when current difference between HOT and RETURN exceeds 5mA, but I have seen some marinas set it at 1mA.

For practical purposes and on your Amel, this normally will happen when the RETURN (Blue) comes in contact with EARTH, reducing the current on the RETURN side and causing an imbalance between the HOT and the RETURN. Of course it can happen with the HOT, as well.

On a boat, the normal conductive material between NEUTRAL and EARTH is water. With the Water Heater, it is the heating element cracking with age that allows some HOT current to escape to EARTH. This causes an imbalance and OPENS the GFI.

If a capacitor  is getting hot, that heat is a sign of used current and enough used current by a capacitor will certainly cause an imbalance which will OPEN a GFI.

So, what would I do under the circumstances you describe:
  1. I would eliminate the pump as a suspect because the other ACs work fine - done
  2. I would inspect the faulty AC for any water leaks and full condensation pan - done
  3. I would test and/or replace the two compressor control capacitors...1 each: 40 microFarads 420 volts to 470 volts (Biggest physical size) and 1 each: 10 microFarads 420 volts to 470 volts (Medium size)
  4. If I still had not solved the issue, I would try changing the setting on the timer. 
  5. If that doesn't work swap the timer with a working unit. The timer is about 13-15mm square and about 40mm long. It has two wires and is adjusted with a flat blade screwdriver.
  6. If none of the above works, I would get a recommendation for a Climma Qualified Tech.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550




Re: Water pump for Climma A/C

steve_morrison@...
 

Thank you Gary.  The smoke was indeed coming from the top of the motor around the capacitor cover.  I ordered the new March Pump that Mark linked to on Ebay to arrive Friday, but will also trace down a new capacitor and see if I can't get the original pump functioning properly before I replace it and put it aside as a back up.  

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Brunswick, GA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

karkauai
 

Hi Steve, thanks, but no link attached?
Send to my email below, thanks.

Kent
S/V Kristy SM 243
karkauai at yahoo dot com

On Jun 26, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hey Kent,

Try the link below to find a SSB tech in your area. It looks like at least 4 folks you could call. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Aruba


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Forgot to reply he 2nd question.
I tested the Capacitors they are:
9.2 instead of 10 and 38.1 instead of 40
Is that enough to cause a problem?
Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 12:54 PM


 









I think Eric is right and I
think that the first thing I would do is replace the two
capacitors I mentioned earlier.
Best,
Bill Rouse
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
11:30 AM, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Alexandre,
with the switch In neutral position the AC unit is off.
I would suspect a short in the wiring somewhere. it could be
anywhere.
Good luck,
Eric


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
11:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse
& marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

> I run the forward air
conditioning without problem.
>
> As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air
Conditioning with the
> switch in
neutral position (neither cold not hot) and right away
> the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker
trip (as well as the
> marina).
> What does that tell you?
>
>
>
>
------------------------------ --------------
> On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017,
9:10 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexandre,
> there is a
switch and thermostat by each AC unit. when
> the switch is in neutral position does the
breaker still
> trip? if not does it trip
when the switch is in the heat
>
position?
> To discharge the capacitor
take a wire with insulated
> alligator
clips put one clip on the body of the pump or case
> and the other clip to a lug of the
capacitor.
> Fair winds,
> Eric
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "Alexandre
Uster von
> Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Tuesday,
June 27, 2017 7:55 am
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
>
> > Good
morning John, Mark,
> Eric and Francisco
and thank you for
> >
> your replies,
> >

> >
> Based on
what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
> > compressor…
>
>
> > Going to test the
Capacitors, but how to
> “discharge
them” prior
> > to testing?
>
> >
> > Eric, I did not
>
really understand the: “if the AC switch is off
> > at the thermostat does it still trip
the
> breaker?”
>
>
> >
> Thanks
in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------
--------------
> > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners]
>
> wrote:
> >
>
> Subject: Re:
> [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> >
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
>
marina
> > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > Date:
>
Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Alexandre.
> > if the AC switch is off
at the thermostat
> does it still
> > trip the breaker?
> > The breaker on the AC panel side is
a
> quick blow
> >
circuit breaker, If there is
> a short it
will
> > trip before the
> diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> >
> thermostat and
the circuit still trips the breaker,
>
> Check the continuity of the compressor to
> ground. If
> > there
is a short to ground
> the compressor is
dead.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> >
sm 376
> >
> >
----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From:
>
"Alexandre
> > Uster von
> >
> Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"
> > Date:
Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> >
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
>
Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt
> Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> >
> >
> Good afternoon,
> >
> >
> > >
Today, I hear the
> > fuse of the 220
Volt Panel tripping (the
> one
> > > behind the panel).
> > > I
> >
found out the
> fuse of the marina also
trip.
> > >
>
> > After running tests,
> > the
cause is the Aft Cabin Air
> Conditioning

> > > (which I have been
> using non stop for 9
>
> days).
> > >
> > > Running
>
> the salon does not trip anything.
>
> >
> > > What could
> be the cause?
> >
> How to diagnostic
> and solve the
issue?
> > >
>
> > Did I use too much
> > the
air conditioning?
> >
> > How come the
>
> Diruptor did not
> trip, but the
220 Volt Panel did?
> > >
> How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > >
>
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
>
>
> Alexandre
>
> > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > >
Port de Gustavia, Saint
>
Barthélémy,
> > FWI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,
I am putting apart the unit and look for faulty harness.
Could it be the compressor? Technically I would not think so as it is not set to start for 15 secondes in my case.
Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 12:54 PM


 









I think Eric is right and I
think that the first thing I would do is replace the two
capacitors I mentioned earlier.
Best,
Bill Rouse
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
11:30 AM, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Alexandre,
with the switch In neutral position the AC unit is off.
I would suspect a short in the wiring somewhere. it could be
anywhere.
Good luck,
Eric


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
11:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse
& marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

> I run the forward air
conditioning without problem.
>
> As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air
Conditioning with the
> switch in
neutral position (neither cold not hot) and right away
> the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker
trip (as well as the
> marina).
> What does that tell you?
>
>
>
>
------------------------------ --------------
> On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017,
9:10 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexandre,
> there is a
switch and thermostat by each AC unit. when
> the switch is in neutral position does the
breaker still
> trip? if not does it trip
when the switch is in the heat
>
position?
> To discharge the capacitor
take a wire with insulated
> alligator
clips put one clip on the body of the pump or case
> and the other clip to a lug of the
capacitor.
> Fair winds,
> Eric
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "Alexandre
Uster von
> Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Tuesday,
June 27, 2017 7:55 am
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
>
> > Good
morning John, Mark,
> Eric and Francisco
and thank you for
> >
> your replies,
> >

> >
> Based on
what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
> > compressor…
>
>
> > Going to test the
Capacitors, but how to
> “discharge
them” prior
> > to testing?
>
> >
> > Eric, I did not
>
really understand the: “if the AC switch is off
> > at the thermostat does it still trip
the
> breaker?”
>
>
> >
> Thanks
in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------
--------------
> > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners]
>
> wrote:
> >
>
> Subject: Re:
> [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> >
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
>
marina
> > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > Date:
>
Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Alexandre.
> > if the AC switch is off
at the thermostat
> does it still
> > trip the breaker?
> > The breaker on the AC panel side is
a
> quick blow
> >
circuit breaker, If there is
> a short it
will
> > trip before the
> diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> >
> thermostat and
the circuit still trips the breaker,
>
> Check the continuity of the compressor to
> ground. If
> > there
is a short to ground
> the compressor is
dead.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> >
sm 376
> >
> >
----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From:
>
"Alexandre
> > Uster von
> >
> Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"
> > Date:
Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> >
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
>
Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt
> Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> >
> >
> Good afternoon,
> >
> >
> > >
Today, I hear the
> > fuse of the 220
Volt Panel tripping (the
> one
> > > behind the panel).
> > > I
> >
found out the
> fuse of the marina also
trip.
> > >
>
> > After running tests,
> > the
cause is the Aft Cabin Air
> Conditioning

> > > (which I have been
> using non stop for 9
>
> days).
> > >
> > > Running
>
> the salon does not trip anything.
>
> >
> > > What could
> be the cause?
> >
> How to diagnostic
> and solve the
issue?
> > >
>
> > Did I use too much
> > the
air conditioning?
> >
> > How come the
>
> Diruptor did not
> trip, but the
220 Volt Panel did?
> > >
> How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > >
>
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
>
>
> Alexandre
>
> > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > >
Port de Gustavia, Saint
>
Barthélémy,
> > FWI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Fan for Cabin - Opinions?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Duane,

Right now, I use a huge 220 Volt fan, it uses lots of electricity, but is excellent.
If I was at anchor, it would probably use too much electricity…

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Fan for Cabin - Opinions?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 1:03 PM


 









Alexandre, 
I
looked up a 127mm computer fan (a big one???) and it was
only 141 cfm, not big enough to make the difference I'm
looking for, even in groups of four.  On the plus side, it
is very low on amperage draw and quiet.  It would be fine
for ventilating your boat to keep some small air movement
going.
I'm looking
for an alternative to air conditioning, and that would
require mass air movement.  There is often a 10 or 15
degree differential between inside the boat and outside the
boat in the hot season early in the evening when we turn in.
 Bringing the cooler outside air inside in mass quantities
is the answer.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Fan for Cabin - Opinions?

Duane Siegfri
 

Alexandre, 

I looked up a 127mm computer fan (a big one???) and it was only 141 cfm, not big enough to make the difference I'm looking for, even in groups of four.  On the plus side, it is very low on amperage draw and quiet.  It would be fine for ventilating your boat to keep some small air movement going.

I'm looking for an alternative to air conditioning, and that would require mass air movement.  There is often a 10 or 15 degree differential between inside the boat and outside the boat in the hot season early in the evening when we turn in.  Bringing the cooler outside air inside in mass quantities is the answer.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alexandre AC problem-- old post did not go through

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

I too had the timer set to zero by a Climma tech, and I too had the same breaker open.

I set it to 20 seconds. I assume that Alex could either have the timer set to zero, or possibly that timer is not working and is staying closed.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550





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Cc: 
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:15:24 GMT
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
Bill,
I had the same problem. The countdown timer in my aft cabin was set to 0 second.
The compressor was shorted and I had to have it changed.
Both the boats main breaker and dockside breaker tripped at the same time.
Fair winds,
Eric
sm 376
----- Original Message -----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:00 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"

> Alex,
>
> I think I understand that as soon as you turn on the A/C, the
> main 30amp
> Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trips (on the side of the
> 220V breaker
> panel). Your shore power also has a GFI breaker.
>
> If this is true, that particular symptom probably has nothing to
> do with
> the the compressor, or any part on the Climma Compact 9 unit for
> the aft
> cabin.
>
> *Here is why:*
>
> - When you turn ON any of your AC units, the only powered
> device inside
> the Compact 9 is the countdown timer. It will be the only
> thing powered
> until the countdown expires which is probably 10-20 seconds.
> - When you turn ON any of your AC units the pump relay box
> and the pump
> should be immediately powered.
>
> *Therefore:*
> If the 30 amp Ground Fault Breaker trips during the timer
> countdown, your
> symptom is most likely caused by a ground fault, and the most
> likely place
> for a ground fault is at the Calpeda BCM20E pump, or less likely
> the pump
> relay box.
>
> *This is what I would investigate:*
>
> 1. Is the mechanical seal leaking and running inside the
> motor? (most
> likely)
> 2. Is the capacitor good? If you don't know replace it.
> 3. Did the pump motor get wet?
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Best,
>
> CW Bill Rouse
> Admiral, Texas Navy
> Commander Emeritus
> Amel School www.amelschool.com
> 720 Winnie St
> Galveston Island, TX 77550
> +1(832) 380-4970
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar
> uster@... [amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and thank you for your
> > replies,
> >
> > Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead compressor…
> >
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge them”
> prior to
> > testing?
> >
> > Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch is
> off at the
> > thermostat does it still trip the breaker?”
> >
> > Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <
> > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220
> > Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alexandre.
> > if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still
> > trip the breaker?
> > The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow
> > circuit breaker, If there is a short it will
> > trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> > Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If
> > there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> > sm 376
> >
> > ----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From: "Alexandre
> > Uster von
> > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > >
> > > Today, I hear the
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one
> > > behind the panel).
> > > I
> > found out the fuse of the marina also trip.
> > >
> > > After running tests,
> > the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > (which I have been using non stop for 9
> > days).
> > >
> > > Running
> > the salon does not trip anything.
> > >
> > > What could be the cause?
> > > How to diagnostic and solve the issue?
> > >
> > > Did I use too much
> > the air conditioning?
> > > How come the
> > Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> > > How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > Alexandre
> > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > > Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,
> > FWI
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I think Eric is right and I think that the first thing I would do is replace the two capacitors I mentioned earlier.

Best,

Bill Rouse

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alexandre,
with the switch In neutral position the AC unit is off. I would suspect a short in the wiring somewhere. it could be anywhere.
Good luck,
Eric


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> I run the forward air conditioning without problem.
>
> As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air Conditioning with the
> switch in neutral position (neither cold not hot) and right away
> the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip (as well as the
> marina).
> What does that tell you?
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexandre,
> there is a switch and thermostat by each AC unit. when
> the switch is in neutral position does the breaker still
> trip? if not does it trip when the switch is in the heat
> position?
> To discharge the capacitor take a wire with insulated
> alligator clips put one clip on the body of the pump or case
> and the other clip to a lug of the capacitor.
> Fair winds,
> Eric
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alexandre Uster von
> Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:55 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Good morning John, Mark,
> Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> >
> your replies,
> >
> >
> Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
> > compressor…
> >
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> “discharge them” prior
> > to testing?
>
> >
> > Eric, I did not
> really understand the: “if the AC switch is off
> > at the thermostat does it still trip the
> breaker?”
> >
> >
> Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners]
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re:
> [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > Date:
> Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alexandre.
> > if the AC switch is off at the thermostat
> does it still
> > trip the breaker?
> > The breaker on the AC panel side is a
> quick blow
> > circuit breaker, If there is
> a short it will
> > trip before the
> diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> >
> thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> > Check the continuity of the compressor to
> ground. If
> > there is a short to ground
> the compressor is dead.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> > sm 376
> >
> > ----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From:
> "Alexandre
> > Uster von
> >
> Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Good afternoon,
> >
> >
> > > Today, I hear the
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the
> one
> > > behind the panel).
> > > I
> > found out the
> fuse of the marina also trip.
> > >
> > > After running tests,
> > the cause is the Aft Cabin Air
> Conditioning
> > > (which I have been
> using non stop for 9
> > days).
> > >
> > > Running
> > the salon does not trip anything.
> > >
> > > What could
> be the cause?
> > > How to diagnostic
> and solve the issue?
> > >
> > > Did I use too much
> > the air conditioning?
> >
> > How come the
> > Diruptor did not
> trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> > >
> How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > >
>
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> >
> Alexandre
> > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > > Port de Gustavia, Saint
> Barthélémy,
> > FWI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Fan for Cabin - Opinions?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Bill (R) used computer fans!
I bought some, but haven’t had time to do that.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI




--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Fan for Cabin - Opinions?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 11:51 AM


 









I'm thinking about building an
exhaust fan that would temporarily lay over the outside of
one of the Goit hatches.  It would be for use at anchor (or
at the dock to save on air conditioning) to draw the cool
evening air in and give a nice
breeze.
It's a similar
principle to a "whole house fan" for those
familiar with them.
I found a 16" diameter fan
meant to cool a truck radiator that runs on 24 volts at 6.5
amps for about $180 see - http://www.jegs.com/i/Flex-a-lite/400/39624/10002/-1 
A fan meant to put up with road conditions should be fine
outdoors, especially considering the northern roads get
salted in the wintertime during snowfalls.  It has a
plastic blade and housing.  It says it's quiet, but
that's always a bit of a crap shoot.
This fan pulls almost 2000 cfm (note
Hella Turbo Fans are 200 cfm on high speed).  If you closed
the aft cabin door at night and opened the two small hatches
you might not get the whole 2000 cfm, but even half of that
would give you an air change every minute or two.  Imagine
how much cooler it would be even on a warm night.  If you
have several couples aboard you could put it on the main
cabin hatch and it would pull air from the whole
boat.
You could also use this
in the cockpit to cool off in the evening and keep the bugs
away or in the engine room.
The 12 volt version is only $100 and
pulls a few more CFM, if you want to play with a
converter.
If I go ahead with
this I'll build a box style frame for the fan out of
plastic wood (deck product from Home Depot or similiar) of a
size that would fit against/over the Goit frames on the
outside.  Slap some rubber on the part against the boat to
damp out vibration noise and Bob's your Uncle!   It doesn't come with a
switch, and is meant to directly connect to the
batteries.The fan
is reversible and you could use a "PWM" switch to
modulate the fan speed and direction (I'll have to study
up on PWM switches to be sure this is
workable). 
The worst
job for me will be installing a 24 volt outlet in the fwd
and aft cabins.  The wiring in the aft cabin should be easy
enough, just interrupt the dinghy inflator and put branch
wire one into the aft cabin.
This seems like such an easy thing to do
I'm wondering why you don't see it in the marine
catalogs?
Has anyone else done
this, or have any suggestions?
Thanks,DuaneWanderer,
SM#477
















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alexandre AC problem-- old post did not go through

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Eric,

I think you tried to send me something, but didn't receive it.

Alexandre


Exhaust Fan for Cabin - Opinions?

Duane Siegfri
 

I'm thinking about building an exhaust fan that would temporarily lay over the outside of one of the Goit hatches.  It would be for use at anchor (or at the dock to save on air conditioning) to draw the cool evening air in and give a nice breeze.


It's a similar principle to a "whole house fan" for those familiar with them.


I found a 16" diameter fan meant to cool a truck radiator that runs on 24 volts at 6.5 amps for about $180 see - http://www.jegs.com/i/Flex-a-lite/400/39624/10002/-1  A fan meant to put up with road conditions should be fine outdoors, especially considering the northern roads get salted in the wintertime during snowfalls.  It has a plastic blade and housing.  It says it's quiet, but that's always a bit of a crap shoot.


This fan pulls almost 2000 cfm (note Hella Turbo Fans are 200 cfm on high speed).  If you closed the aft cabin door at night and opened the two small hatches you might not get the whole 2000 cfm, but even half of that would give you an air change every minute or two.  Imagine how much cooler it would be even on a warm night.  If you have several couples aboard you could put it on the main cabin hatch and it would pull air from the whole boat.


You could also use this in the cockpit to cool off in the evening and keep the bugs away or in the engine room.


The 12 volt version is only $100 and pulls a few more CFM, if you want to play with a converter.


If I go ahead with this I'll build a box style frame for the fan out of plastic wood (deck product from Home Depot or similiar) of a size that would fit against/over the Goit frames on the outside.  Slap some rubber on the part against the boat to damp out vibration noise and Bob's your Uncle!   It doesn't come with a switch, and is meant to directly connect to the batteries.The fan is reversible and you could use a "PWM" switch to modulate the fan speed and direction (I'll have to study up on PWM switches to be sure this is workable). 


The worst job for me will be installing a 24 volt outlet in the fwd and aft cabins.  The wiring in the aft cabin should be easy enough, just interrupt the dinghy inflator and put branch wire one into the aft cabin.


This seems like such an easy thing to do I'm wondering why you don't see it in the marine catalogs?


Has anyone else done this, or have any suggestions?


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477