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alexandre AC problem-- old post did not go through

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,
No water in the tray, it has been going normally into the aft bathroom.
Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 6/27/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 11:09 AM


 









Alex,
Have you looked at the Compact unit?
Is it full of water with a clogged drain?
Bill

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
10:25 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









I run the forward air conditioning without problem.




As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air Conditioning with the
switch in neutral position (neither cold not hot) and right
away the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip (as well
as the marina).

What does that tell you?



------------------------------ --------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM





 



















Alexandre,

there is a switch and thermostat by each AC unit. when

the switch is in neutral position does the breaker still

trip? if not does it trip when the switch is in the heat

position?

To discharge the capacitor take a wire with insulated

alligator clips put one clip on the body of the pump or
case

and the other clip to a lug of the capacitor.

Fair winds,

Eric

----- Original Message -----

From: "Alexandre Uster von

Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"

Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:55 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com



> Good morning John, Mark,

Eric and Francisco and thank you for

>

your replies,

>

>

Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead

> compressor…

>

> Going to test the Capacitors, but how to

“discharge them” prior

> to testing?



>

> Eric, I did not

really understand the: “if the AC switch is off

> at the thermostat does it still trip the

breaker?”

>

>

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

>



>

>

>

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> On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...

[amelyachtowners]

> wrote:

>

> Subject: Re:

[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning

> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &

marina

> To:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

> Date:

Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Alexandre.

> if the AC switch is off at the thermostat

does it still

> trip the breaker?

> The breaker on the AC panel side is a

quick blow

> circuit breaker, If there is

a short it will

> trip before the

diruptor. If the AC is on at the

>

thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,

> Check the continuity of the compressor to

ground. If

> there is a short to ground

the compressor is dead.

> Fair Winds,

> Eric

> sm 376

>

> ----- Original

> Message -----

> From:

"Alexandre

> Uster von

>

Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"

> Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm

> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin

Air

> Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt

Panel Fuse & marina

> To:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

>

> > Good afternoon,

>

>

> > Today, I hear the

> fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the

one

> > behind the panel).

> > I

> found out the

fuse of the marina also trip.

> >

> > After running tests,

> the cause is the Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning

> > (which I have been

using non stop for 9

> days).

> >

> > Running

> the salon does not trip anything.

> >

> > What could

be the cause?

> > How to diagnostic

and solve the issue?

> >

> > Did I use too much

> the air conditioning?

>

> How come the

> Diruptor did not

trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?

> >

How come I trip the marina fuse?

> >



> > Thanks in advance.

>

> >

> > Sincerely,

>

Alexandre

> > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

> > Port de Gustavia, Saint

Barthélémy,

> FWI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

I can recommend a SUPERB engine guy in Majorca. Also, look at the Perkins offerings 

Send me a personal email if interested in the Majorcan alternative 😄😄


On 27 Jun 2017, at 11:04, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,


I am sorry to say that we have had a poor experience with TPS, the Volvo agents in Hyeres. Suffice it say that last winter they made a meal out a major service on our 17 year old TMD22P, and 150 hours later we still lack confidence in an engine which didn't miss a beat before they attended to it.

 I am 70  ( Judy remains 21 ) and God willing  can   look forward to another ten years or so of gentle cruising, but I am too busy now to have an unreliable engine.


So, ridiculous expense though it may sound, we are  thinking of swapping our old engine for a new one. Volvo have recommended the D2-75, 75 hp, no electrics beyond the starter motor ( a huge plus in my book )


Its feet and drive connection are said to be a good fit for the old engine.


The alternative would be the D3-110, but we have never been short of power with the TMD22P, which although 78hp is governed down to 60 hp by Amel. Also, I like the extra range that the smaller engine would give.


Has anyone had experience of a D2-75 in an SM ?


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece  






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Have you looked at the Compact unit? Is it full of water with a clogged drain?

Bill



On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I run the forward air conditioning without problem.

As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air Conditioning with the switch in neutral position (neither cold not hot) and right away the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip (as well as the marina).
What does that tell you?

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM


 









Alexandre,
there is a switch and thermostat by each AC unit. when
the switch is in neutral position does the breaker still
trip? if not does it trip when the switch is in the heat
position?
To discharge the capacitor take a wire with insulated
alligator clips put one clip on the body of the pump or case
and the other clip to a lug of the capacitor.
Fair winds,
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:55 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Good morning John, Mark,
Eric and Francisco and thank you for
>
your replies,
>
>
Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
> compressor…
>
> Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
“discharge them” prior
> to testing?

>
> Eric, I did not
really understand the: “if the AC switch is off
> at the thermostat does it still trip the
breaker?”
>
>
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
>

>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Date:
Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexandre.
> if the AC switch is off at the thermostat
does it still
> trip the breaker?
> The breaker on the AC panel side is a
quick blow
> circuit breaker, If there is
a short it will
> trip before the
diruptor. If the AC is on at the
>
thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> Check the continuity of the compressor to
ground. If
> there is a short to ground
the compressor is dead.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
> sm 376
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"Alexandre
> Uster von
>
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Good afternoon,
>
>
> > Today, I hear the
> fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the
one
> > behind the panel).
> > I
> found out the
fuse of the marina also trip.
> >
> > After running tests,
> the cause is the Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > (which I have been
using non stop for 9
> days).
> >
> > Running
> the salon does not trip anything.
> >
> > What could
be the cause?
> > How to diagnostic
and solve the issue?
> >
> > Did I use too much
> the air conditioning?
>
> How come the
> Diruptor did not
trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> >
How come I trip the marina fuse?
> >

> > Thanks in advance.
>
> >
> > Sincerely,
>
Alexandre
> > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > Port de Gustavia, Saint
Barthélémy,
> FWI
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I run the forward air conditioning without problem.

As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air Conditioning with the switch in neutral position (neither cold not hot) and right away the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip (as well as the marina).
What does that tell you?



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM


 









Alexandre,
there is a switch and thermostat by each AC unit. when
the switch is in neutral position does the breaker still
trip? if not does it trip when the switch is in the heat
position?
To discharge the capacitor take a wire with insulated
alligator clips put one clip on the body of the pump or case
and the other clip to a lug of the capacitor.
Fair winds,
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:55 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Good morning John, Mark,
Eric and Francisco and thank you for
>
your replies,
>
>
Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
> compressor…
>
> Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
“discharge them” prior
> to testing?

>
> Eric, I did not
really understand the: “if the AC switch is off
> at the thermostat does it still trip the
breaker?”
>
>
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
>

>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
> Date:
Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexandre.
> if the AC switch is off at the thermostat
does it still
> trip the breaker?
> The breaker on the AC panel side is a
quick blow
> circuit breaker, If there is
a short it will
> trip before the
diruptor. If the AC is on at the
>
thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> Check the continuity of the compressor to
ground. If
> there is a short to ground
the compressor is dead.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
> sm 376
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"Alexandre
> Uster von
>
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Good afternoon,
>
>
> > Today, I hear the
> fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the
one
> > behind the panel).
> > I
> found out the
fuse of the marina also trip.
> >
> > After running tests,
> the cause is the Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > (which I have been
using non stop for 9
> days).
> >
> > Running
> the salon does not trip anything.
> >
> > What could
be the cause?
> > How to diagnostic
and solve the issue?
> >
> > Did I use too much
> the air conditioning?
>
> How come the
> Diruptor did not
trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> >
How come I trip the marina fuse?
> >

> > Thanks in advance.
>
> >
> > Sincerely,
>
Alexandre
> > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > Port de Gustavia, Saint
Barthélémy,
> FWI
>
>
>
>
>
>


Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi All,


I am sorry to say that we have had a poor experience with TPS, the Volvo agents in Hyeres. Suffice it say that last winter they made a meal out a major service on our 17 year old TMD22P, and 150 hours later we still lack confidence in an engine which didn't miss a beat before they attended to it.

 I am 70  ( Judy remains 21 ) and God willing  can   look forward to another ten years or so of gentle cruising, but I am too busy now to have an unreliable engine.


So, ridiculous expense though it may sound, we are  thinking of swapping our old engine for a new one. Volvo have recommended the D2-75, 75 hp, no electrics beyond the starter motor ( a huge plus in my book )


Its feet and drive connection are said to be a good fit for the old engine.


The alternative would be the D3-110, but we have never been short of power with the TMD22P, which although 78hp is governed down to 60 hp by Amel. Also, I like the extra range that the smaller engine would give.


Has anyone had experience of a D2-75 in an SM ?


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece  






A.M.F.A. Anchor wash pump

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 


For those of you with a A.M.F.A. Anchor wash pump, you might want to buy this new 12VDC version for parts...as long as your existing 24VDC motor is fine. There are two brand new complete pumps available (including a square D pressure switch). These pumps are no longer available. This is a bargain:


You do not need to worry about the pressure switch because your anchor wash system does not pressurize, unless it has been modified.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

My suggestion is to buy a multi-tester that will check capacitors.

Inside the Climma Compact Control Box are 5 capacitors. Three of these are Fan Speed Capacitors...they are the smallest of the 5 and are normally strapped together. You will see these three first, before digging deeper to find the next two. If it is a capacitor, it is likely the next two.

If you cannot get a tester, replace these two. Here is a previous post from Gary Silver

From Gary Silver #335
Each Climma Air Conditioner of the vintage of my boat (SM Hull # 335) has five capacitors as follows: 
1 each: 40 microFarads 420 volts to 470 volts (Biggest physical size) 
1 each: 10 microFarads 420 volts to 470 volts (Medium size) 
2 each: 2 microFarads 450 volts, 50 Hertz (small size) 
1 each: 3.15 microFarads 450 volt, 50 Hertz (small size) 

The capacitors that failed on my boat (and which I believe are the run capacitors for the compressor motors) were the 10 microFarad capacitors. The original ones were cylindrical and measured 3 inches long by 1 and 3/8 inches in diameter and were in a plastic casing. They had 5/8 inch long spade connectors. The replacement ones I found were ovoid, in a metal casing, were larger physically and rated at 600 volts. None of those have failed but were large enough that they would not fit inside the control box that contained all the other electronic components. I attached them to the outside of the box and insulated the connectors so nobody would take a large shock if they shorted across the terminals. The only capacitors that have failed were the 10 mfd capacitors. I bought spares of each, but have only had to use the 10 microFarad capacitors.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970








On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Good morning Bill,

As always thanks for your help.

Haven’t start to look at the air conditioning (finishing work for a client).

I am able to run the salon air conditioning without problem (haven’t tried the forward cabin) so to me, the calpeda pump is fine.
The breaker only trips when I use the aft cabin air conditioning.
So something in that units is causing the issue (I assume a short, ground fault).

In 30 min, I should be able to test the capacitors, I just don’t know how to “discharge” them… any suggestion?

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/27/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 8:00 AM


 









Alex,
I think I understand that as soon as
you turn on the A/C, the main 30amp Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trips (on the side of the 220V breaker panel).
Your shore power also has a GFI breaker.
If this is true, that particular
symptom probably has nothing to do with the the compressor,
or any part on the Climma Compact 9 unit for the aft
cabin. 
Here is
why: When you turn ON any of
your AC units, the only powered device inside the Compact 9
is the countdown timer. It will be the only thing powered
until the countdown expires which is probably 10-20
seconds.
When you turn ON any of
your AC units the pump relay box and the pump should be
immediately
powered.Therefore:If
the 30 amp Ground Fault Breaker trips during the timer
countdown, your symptom is most likely caused by a ground
fault, and the most likely place for a ground fault is at
the Calpeda BCM20E pump, or less likely the pump relay
box. 
This is
what I would investigate:Is the
mechanical seal leaking and running inside the motor? (most
likely)
Is the capacitor good? If
you don't know replace it.Did the pump motor
get wet?I hope this
helps.
Best,
CW Bill RouseAdmiral,
Texas NavyCommander EmeritusAmel
School www.amelschool.com720
Winnie StGalveston Island, TX
77550+1(832) 380-4970








On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
6:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and
thank you for your replies,



Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
compressor…



Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge
them” prior to testing?



Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch
is off at the thermostat does it still trip the
breaker?”



Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre



------------------------------ --------------

On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM





 



















Alexandre.

if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still

trip the breaker?

The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow

circuit breaker, If there is a short it will

trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the

thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,

Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If

there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.

Fair Winds,

Eric

sm 376



----- Original

Message -----

From: "Alexandre

Uster von

Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"

Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com



> Good afternoon,

>

> Today, I hear the

fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one

> behind the panel).

> I

found out the fuse of the marina also trip.

>

> After running tests,

the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning

> (which I have been using non stop for 9

days).

>

> Running

the salon does not trip anything.

>

> What could be the cause?

> How to diagnostic and solve the issue?

>

> Did I use too much

the air conditioning?

> How come the

Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?

> How come I trip the marina fuse?

>

> Thanks in advance.



>

> Sincerely,

Alexandre

> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

> Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,

FWI

>







































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

As always thanks for your help.

Haven’t start to look at the air conditioning (finishing work for a client).

I am able to run the salon air conditioning without problem (haven’t tried the forward cabin) so to me, the calpeda pump is fine.
The breaker only trips when I use the aft cabin air conditioning.
So something in that units is causing the issue (I assume a short, ground fault).

In 30 min, I should be able to test the capacitors, I just don’t know how to “discharge” them… any suggestion?

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 8:00 AM


 









Alex,
I think I understand that as soon as
you turn on the A/C, the main 30amp Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trips (on the side of the 220V breaker panel).
Your shore power also has a GFI breaker.
If this is true, that particular
symptom probably has nothing to do with the the compressor,
or any part on the Climma Compact 9 unit for the aft
cabin. 
Here is
why: When you turn ON any of
your AC units, the only powered device inside the Compact 9
is the countdown timer. It will be the only thing powered
until the countdown expires which is probably 10-20
seconds.
When you turn ON any of
your AC units the pump relay box and the pump should be
immediately
powered.Therefore:If
the 30 amp Ground Fault Breaker trips during the timer
countdown, your symptom is most likely caused by a ground
fault, and the most likely place for a ground fault is at
the Calpeda BCM20E pump, or less likely the pump relay
box. 
This is
what I would investigate:Is the
mechanical seal leaking and running inside the motor? (most
likely)
Is the capacitor good? If
you don't know replace it.Did the pump motor
get wet?I hope this
helps.
Best,
CW Bill RouseAdmiral,
Texas NavyCommander EmeritusAmel
School www.amelschool.com720
Winnie StGalveston Island, TX
77550+1(832) 380-4970






On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
6:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and
thank you for your replies,



Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
compressor…



Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge
them” prior to testing?



Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch
is off at the thermostat does it still trip the
breaker?”



Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre



------------------------------ --------------

On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM





 



















Alexandre.

if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still

trip the breaker?

The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow

circuit breaker, If there is a short it will

trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the

thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,

Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If

there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.

Fair Winds,

Eric

sm 376



----- Original

Message -----

From: "Alexandre

Uster von

Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"

Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com



> Good afternoon,

>

> Today, I hear the

fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one

> behind the panel).

> I

found out the fuse of the marina also trip.

>

> After running tests,

the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning

> (which I have been using non stop for 9

days).

>

> Running

the salon does not trip anything.

>

> What could be the cause?

> How to diagnostic and solve the issue?

>

> Did I use too much

the air conditioning?

> How come the

Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?

> How come I trip the marina fuse?

>

> Thanks in advance.



>

> Sincerely,

Alexandre

> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

> Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,

FWI

>







































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I think I understand that as soon as you turn on the A/C, the main 30amp Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trips (on the side of the 220V breaker panel). Your shore power also has a GFI breaker.

If this is true, that particular symptom probably has nothing to do with the the compressor, or any part on the Climma Compact 9 unit for the aft cabin. 

Here is why: 
  • When you turn ON any of your AC units, the only powered device inside the Compact 9 is the countdown timer. It will be the only thing powered until the countdown expires which is probably 10-20 seconds.
  • When you turn ON any of your AC units the pump relay box and the pump should be immediately powered.
Therefore:
If the 30 amp Ground Fault Breaker trips during the timer countdown, your symptom is most likely caused by a ground fault, and the most likely place for a ground fault is at the Calpeda BCM20E pump, or less likely the pump relay box. 

This is what I would investigate:
  1. Is the mechanical seal leaking and running inside the motor? (most likely)
  2. Is the capacitor good? If you don't know replace it.
  3. Did the pump motor get wet?
I hope this helps.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970







On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and thank you for your replies,

Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead compressor…

Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge them” prior to testing?

Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still trip the breaker?”

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM


 









Alexandre.
if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still
trip the breaker?
The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow
circuit breaker, If there is a short it will
trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the
thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If
there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm 376

----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Good afternoon,
>
> Today, I hear the
fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one
> behind the panel).
> I
found out the fuse of the marina also trip.
>
> After running tests,
the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> (which I have been using non stop for 9
days).
>
> Running
the salon does not trip anything.
>
> What could be the cause?
> How to diagnostic and solve the issue?
>
> Did I use too much
the air conditioning?
> How come the
Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> How come I trip the marina fuse?
>
> Thanks in advance.

>
> Sincerely,
Alexandre
> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,
FWI
>





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and thank you for your replies,

Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead compressor…

Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge them” prior to testing?

Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still trip the breaker?”

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM


 









Alexandre.
if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still
trip the breaker?
The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow
circuit breaker, If there is a short it will
trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the
thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If
there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm 376

----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Good afternoon,
>
> Today, I hear the
fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one
> behind the panel).
> I
found out the fuse of the marina also trip.
>
> After running tests,
the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> (which I have been using non stop for 9
days).
>
> Running
the salon does not trip anything.
>
> What could be the cause?
> How to diagnostic and solve the issue?
>
> Did I use too much
the air conditioning?
> How come the
Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> How come I trip the marina fuse?
>
> Thanks in advance.

>
> Sincerely,
Alexandre
> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,
FWI
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Steve,
I purchased the capacitors of the Calpeda from Coastal Climate Control info@...
They might be able to give you more information.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/26/17, steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 7:12 PM


 









Hi all.  We moved on to SM #380 this
week in Brunswick, GA and have been running the A/C a good
bit very the past two days when I noticed early this morning
that it had shut down. Initially I noticed the breaker
behind the 220 panel had tripped, but after a reset, I
switched on the salon AC and didn't hear the pump kick
in and opened the engine room hatch to see the water Climma
water pump smoking. As I am in the US and fairly stationary
for the next month or so I am considering replacing the pump
with a new unit rather than trying to troubleshoot and
repair what I imagine is original and therefor nearly 15
years old. What are my options for a replacement pump and
what must I consider?  Thank you
all.
Steve
MorrisonSm 380
TouRaiBrunswick,
GA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] wiring conduits from lazarette to chart table

Sv Garulfo
 

Bill,

Thanks for your input.

Yes, there is a clear path between the battery compartment (the switch part of it) and the hidden part of the bookshelf above the hanging locker. There are actually 2 openings in the bulkhead; at the top and one at the bottom. They exit in stern storage compartment of the companionway, behind a removable panel. The top one is used to run cables to the ceiling of the companionway, through a conduit covered in ceiling-type lining.  The bottom one is used to get to the battery compartment.  
(The big white flexible pipe is for the ventilation of the battery compartment). 


I can also easily get to the chart table cabinets from the bookshelf. I can give you more details. 

But my problem is really about the PVC tubes that connect the lazarette and that bookshelf. I have 2 openings on the bookshelf end, but only one in the lazarrette. The tube that's empty is, sadly, the deadened one. The other one is already pretty busy with all the SSB cables. 

I really believe Amel would have put the empty one for future use but I wonder how it is supposed to be used. Maybe something was missed on our boat ? I'm asking other 54 owners to check their setup, if possible. 

I'm also talking to Amel about it but I was looking for real life input too. 

Thanks 
Thomas 



On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 at 01:43, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Thomas,

Thanks for your photos!

I have done this job on a Super Maramu, but not on a 54.

Try this and please let me know what yo find:
I think that there is a conduit between what you show in your photo "1.ACCESS+TO+WIRING" and the battery compartment.

Look closely at the inside of the storage cabinet door on the left above the battery bank. I think that the carpet covered panel inside that cabinet on the left side is removable...let me know.

I am certain that there is conduit that can bee seen on this side of the bulkhead that opens on the other side of the bulkhead shown in your photo "1.ACCESS+TO+WIRING."

What I believe you need to do is run the wire from the lazarette conduit shown in your photo "3.Inside+the+Lazarette" to the conduit shown in "1.ACCESS+TO+WIRING", then through another piece of conduit that passes through the bulkhead near the top, down to the battery box.

Again, let me know, I want to document this for all 54 owners.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 12:12 PM, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from SV Garulfo included below]

Hi all

Still working on that solar panels project.

Today was about planning the wiring between the lazarette and somewhere near the battery bank.

On our 54 there is a PVC tube that runs up from the lazarette to the back of a the book shelve located above the hanging cupboard at the chart table. It's used to run the BLU cabling, for instance the antenna coax. I was able to pull a line through it, happy.

Now, next to the chart table end of that tube, I can see another, smaller, empty tube. That looks like an ideal conduit for the cables. Except it does not exit anywhere, and the line puller blocks at what sounds like the bulkhead of the lazarette...

A few pictures to illustrate


Now the question:
Does anyone have a similar set up and know where this tube is supposed to end? 



Thanks
Thomas

--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Reya AMFA pump carbon brushes

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

I purchased a spare fresh water pump from Amel.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI



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On Mon, 6/26/17, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Reya AMFA pump carbon brushes
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 6:09 PM


 









I know this is another topic that has
been beaten to death... 
Anyone have a link to
source the updated pump that replaces the original (Hull
#195) water pump? I know I have seen something floating
around. 
Or... Is there a source for
the carbon brushes? 
I have been using a Jabsco
for a few years now and have had no problems but it would be
nice to resort back to original
systems. 
Cheers,
Bill
MaffeiSM
#195 It's all Good 









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Eric,

Sorry, I don't know if the ICOM converter is isolated or not.
If you have one an easy way to check is to put your multimeter on ohms and put one led on the 24 -Ve and the other on the 12-ve...if you get a reading of less than infinity or many megohms, then it's not isolated.
Maybe someone has a data sheet for the ICOM converter ? 

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

rossirossix4
 

You might take a look at KoolAir MagDrive (no shaft seal and isolated, extended dry run times AND thermo-overload with auto-reset)--they have 220 50hz versions and these pumps have an excellent track record.   500 gph  version could be used as Dessalator feed and the 1000 (54 liter/minute @ 50hz) would work with AC.  Price is very good as well  http://search.defender.com/?expression=KoolAir%20Pumps  http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|6880|2061076|2061077|2234240&id=3427174  http://www.defender.com/pdf/901764.pdf  These are similar to the March pumps that Coastal Climate control is using.
Bob, Kaimi SM429


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Alexandre,

One way to trip both a breaker internal to the boat and a breaker at the dock at the same time and to not trip the Diruptor breaker can conceivably be:

1.  The breaker internal to your boat happens to be an RCD breaker in addition to being a regular breaker.

2.  The breaker at the dock happens to be RCD breaker in addition to being a regular breaker, or, the breakers are joined in such a way that if the RCD breaker trips, it also disconnects the regular breaker.

This happened to Peregrinus.  It was a current leak from a defective water heating unit.  Both an RCD breaker internal to the boat and the dock's breakers would trip simultaneously.  The Diruptor never tripped.

Cheerio,

SM2K Nr. 350
Kaunos (ancient Caria), Asia Minor