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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi again Ian.
Forgot to say the salt water pump is on the front of the motor low down. Easy to get at but have to lean over the engine.
The heat exchanger is not easy to access. Unlike the tmd22.
Weight, boat certainly floats higher at the stern.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

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On 2 Jul 2017 1:12 p.m., "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 Hi Danny,


Very interested to read your email and would love to hear more. 

 

With the exhaust on the other side were you still able to connect to the original stainless muffle box ?

How accessible is the seawater pump ? it's good that it no longer sits above the engine.

Are you sure that the D2-75 is lighter than the TMD ? The specs I have seen suggest much the same weight.

We usually cruise at about  6.3-6.5k if motoring any distance--often for many hours in the Med. That means about 17-1900 revs, depending on the sea condition.   How does that compare ?

Top speed with the TMD in flat calm with a clean bottom and prop is about 8.3, 8.4k at 2800revs.  How does this compare ?

Do you know at what revs the turbo kicks in ? We religiously give our TMD a blast every 12 hours or so. Waste of diesel, but apparently it keeps the  turbo happy.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 02 July 2017 07:26:53
To: Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
 

Hi Ian.
You may have noticed a while ago my post re damage caused by over turboing the tmd22 when the waste gate freezes. It caused the death of our tmd but only after much expense based on bad advice. We installed the d2-75. Good fit. Had to make a little spacer and then it bolted neatly to the angle bars the engine bolts to. The exhaust is on the opposite side, no trouble. It is a turbo engine, 50hp turboed to 75.
A lighter engine, you can see the difference on the waterline. Good torque, will pull the rated max revs even with fouling on the prop. If you decide to go that way I can give you more details
WARNING. Amel told me not to put the 110 in as the c drive in mine is not built for that HP. The later models that were fitted with the 110 had an upgraded c drive. You have been warned
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

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On 27 Jun 2017 17:04, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 

Hi All,


I am sorry to say that we have had a poor experience with TPS, the Volvo agents in Hyeres. Suffice it say that last winter they made a meal out a major service on our 17 year old TMD22P, and 150 hours later we still lack confidence in an engine which didn't miss a beat before they attended to it.

 I am 70  ( Judy remains 21 ) and God willing  can   look forward to another ten years or so of gentle cruising, but I am too busy now to have an unreliable engine.


So, ridiculous expense though it may sound, we are  thinking of swapping our old engine for a new one. Volvo have recommended the D2-75, 75 hp, no electrics beyond the starter motor ( a huge plus in my book )


Its feet and drive connection are said to be a good fit for the old engine.


The alternative would be the D3-110, but we have never been short of power with the TMD22P, which although 78hp is governed down to 60 hp by Amel. Also, I like the extra range that the smaller engine would give.


Has anyone had experience of a D2-75 in an SM ?


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece  








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ian,
The installers routed the exhaust across the engine to the box. They had to cut, turn, and weld the entry tube to meet it. I thought a better alternative was to swap the box to the other side. I believe it would have fitted there. However they were doing the install.
The gear box was a bolt on. No trouble. New instrument panel and looms to it, glad they were doing that bit and not me. Throttle cable no trouble.
They had to construct a frame for the 24 volt house battery alternator, used the same alternator
The installers were long time Volvo service and sales agents in Auckland NZ,   they seemed to know their job.
I seriously considered the yanmar equivalent. Went Volvo because of the drop in and bolt up would keep the install costs down.
I was told later by an industry person that the install can cost as much as the engine. Mine did not by a long way.
I unbuckled the old one my self and did a lot of the straight forward jobs putting the new one in and kept a close hand on what was done.
The prep on the new one was done and we lifted the old one out and dropped the new in concurrently with the same crane.
I'm still not sure a full overhaul of the tmd22 rebore, shaft grind and rings and bearings etc wouldn't have been a better way. But the pros tell me not.
I think the turbo starts about 1800 to 2000 rpm, just from a mechanics comment.
Happy to answer any other questions
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

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On 2 Jul 2017 1:12 p.m., "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 Hi Danny,


Very interested to read your email and would love to hear more. 

 

With the exhaust on the other side were you still able to connect to the original stainless muffle box ?

How accessible is the seawater pump ? it's good that it no longer sits above the engine.

Are you sure that the D2-75 is lighter than the TMD ? The specs I have seen suggest much the same weight.

We usually cruise at about  6.3-6.5k if motoring any distance--often for many hours in the Med. That means about 17-1900 revs, depending on the sea condition.   How does that compare ?

Top speed with the TMD in flat calm with a clean bottom and prop is about 8.3, 8.4k at 2800revs.  How does this compare ?

Do you know at what revs the turbo kicks in ? We religiously give our TMD a blast every 12 hours or so. Waste of diesel, but apparently it keeps the  turbo happy.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 02 July 2017 07:26:53
To: Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
 

Hi Ian.
You may have noticed a while ago my post re damage caused by over turboing the tmd22 when the waste gate freezes. It caused the death of our tmd but only after much expense based on bad advice. We installed the d2-75. Good fit. Had to make a little spacer and then it bolted neatly to the angle bars the engine bolts to. The exhaust is on the opposite side, no trouble. It is a turbo engine, 50hp turboed to 75.
A lighter engine, you can see the difference on the waterline. Good torque, will pull the rated max revs even with fouling on the prop. If you decide to go that way I can give you more details
WARNING. Amel told me not to put the 110 in as the c drive in mine is not built for that HP. The later models that were fitted with the 110 had an upgraded c drive. You have been warned
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 27 Jun 2017 17:04, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 

Hi All,


I am sorry to say that we have had a poor experience with TPS, the Volvo agents in Hyeres. Suffice it say that last winter they made a meal out a major service on our 17 year old TMD22P, and 150 hours later we still lack confidence in an engine which didn't miss a beat before they attended to it.

 I am 70  ( Judy remains 21 ) and God willing  can   look forward to another ten years or so of gentle cruising, but I am too busy now to have an unreliable engine.


So, ridiculous expense though it may sound, we are  thinking of swapping our old engine for a new one. Volvo have recommended the D2-75, 75 hp, no electrics beyond the starter motor ( a huge plus in my book )


Its feet and drive connection are said to be a good fit for the old engine.


The alternative would be the D3-110, but we have never been short of power with the TMD22P, which although 78hp is governed down to 60 hp by Amel. Also, I like the extra range that the smaller engine would give.


Has anyone had experience of a D2-75 in an SM ?


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece  








Re: Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Fernando:

Sorry for the piecemeal reply,  I looked up what I paid for that PN switch in April 2016 and it was $67 here in the USA from Cummins Diesel Rocky Mountain (my Onan parts supplier here in Utah, USA).  Just a reference point. Turkey is a far piece distance from the USA and that might account for the $125 price.

Gary S. Silver


Re: Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Fernando:

I see I didn't answer all your questions in your original post.

There is no thermal paste on my installation, nor does the service manual mention such.  Just screw the new sensor into place on the mounting pad on the exhaust elbow and connect the terminals.  It wouldn't hurt to treat the terminals with some corrosionX or some such treatment.

To test any of the sensors in the engine fault shut down circuit you merely need to short across the terminals, thus providing a ground path for the CB2 engine fault shut down breaker. 

All the best, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona  
Amel SM 2000 #335


Re: Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Fernando:

Here is a quote from the service manual for your generator.  (in the files section of this forum)

Fault Shutdown Sequence

"Check Engine" Faults: The following fault

switches shut down the genset by grounding terminal 

2 on fault breaker CB2, causing it to trip:  

. High engine temperature switch S2

. Low coolant level switch S3, via relay K6

. Low oil pressure with S4

. High exhaust temperature switch S5

. AVRo overspeed circuit 


Based on this and the schematic contained in the same manual it appears the above noted switches are "normally open" and they close to provide a ground path when they go into a fault condition (i.e. too high of an exhaust temperature).  So, the failed terminal would prevent the switch from activating.  I can't account for why Bill's genset ran when the broken terminals were connected together as it would appear that would create a permanent fault condition, unless there was another work around by the technicians. 


You can test this theory by grounding the broken terminal to the non-broken terminal while the genset is running and seeing if the genset shuts down, or by measuring continuity across the switch as Bill suggested. 


By not having the S5 switch functional your system is missing a fairly important safety device and you should replace it at your earliest.


All the best, 


Gary S. Silver 

s/v Liahona 

Amel SM 2000 #335

Puerto Del Ray   Fajardo Puerto Rico

cell 801-543-5801



Re: Replacement Generator exhaust hose (install)

Terence Singh
 

Thank you Mark and Bill.

I will request the yard to make sure the exhaust hose follows the original installation.

Terry&Dena
SV Libby # 196
Maple Bay, BC


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu

greatketch@...
 

Danny,

Interesting...  Volvo's specification sheet calls the D2-75 a "naturally aspirated" engine.  I saw what looked like a turbocharger in the picture, but figured I'd believe what was written--obviously wrong.

I'd really prefer a non-turbo engine, but in this size range they are few.

Bill Kinney 
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

 Hi Danny,


Very interested to read your email and would love to hear more. 

 

With the exhaust on the other side were you still able to connect to the original stainless muffle box ?

How accessible is the seawater pump ? it's good that it no longer sits above the engine.

Are you sure that the D2-75 is lighter than the TMD ? The specs I have seen suggest much the same weight.

We usually cruise at about  6.3-6.5k if motoring any distance--often for many hours in the Med. That means about 17-1900 revs, depending on the sea condition.   How does that compare ?

Top speed with the TMD in flat calm with a clean bottom and prop is about 8.3, 8.4k at 2800revs.  How does this compare ?

Do you know at what revs the turbo kicks in ? We religiously give our TMD a blast every 12 hours or so. Waste of diesel, but apparently it keeps the  turbo happy.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of simms@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 02 July 2017 07:26:53
To: Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
 

Hi Ian.
You may have noticed a while ago my post re damage caused by over turboing the tmd22 when the waste gate freezes. It caused the death of our tmd but only after much expense based on bad advice. We installed the d2-75. Good fit. Had to make a little spacer and then it bolted neatly to the angle bars the engine bolts to. The exhaust is on the opposite side, no trouble. It is a turbo engine, 50hp turboed to 75.
A lighter engine, you can see the difference on the waterline. Good torque, will pull the rated max revs even with fouling on the prop. If you decide to go that way I can give you more details
WARNING. Amel told me not to put the 110 in as the c drive in mine is not built for that HP. The later models that were fitted with the 110 had an upgraded c drive. You have been warned
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 27 Jun 2017 17:04, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 

Hi All,


I am sorry to say that we have had a poor experience with TPS, the Volvo agents in Hyeres. Suffice it say that last winter they made a meal out a major service on our 17 year old TMD22P, and 150 hours later we still lack confidence in an engine which didn't miss a beat before they attended to it.

 I am 70  ( Judy remains 21 ) and God willing  can   look forward to another ten years or so of gentle cruising, but I am too busy now to have an unreliable engine.


So, ridiculous expense though it may sound, we are  thinking of swapping our old engine for a new one. Volvo have recommended the D2-75, 75 hp, no electrics beyond the starter motor ( a huge plus in my book )


Its feet and drive connection are said to be a good fit for the old engine.


The alternative would be the D3-110, but we have never been short of power with the TMD22P, which although 78hp is governed down to 60 hp by Amel. Also, I like the extra range that the smaller engine would give.


Has anyone had experience of a D2-75 in an SM ?


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece  








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning,
Yes all 3 units are the same and have the same capacitors.
Last time I changed mine was in 2013, then now last week.
All you need to do is time to time check the Micro Farrah reading of the Capacitors with a nice volt meter.
For info, I just changed the 2 Micro Farrah which were reading 0.5 and it was still working fine.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI





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On Sat, 7/1/17, pwschofield@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, July 1, 2017, 9:39 PM


 









Sorry group to pile onto this topic
however, this evening I found the forward stateroom filled
with smoke.  After examination of the AC unit, one of the
fan capacitors had a big hole in it.  I also located, what
I believe are, the two start capacitors inside the control
box.  Is it a safe assumption that all three AC units use
the same 5 capacitors (3 fan and 2 start)?  My thought is
to replace all the capacitors on all three AC units and put
these on some kind of maintenance schedule.  Any feedback
on whether this is a good idea?  If so, how often should
they be switched out?
Any input is appreciated. 

Thank
you.SV TrilliumSM215Brunswick,
GA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ian.
You may have noticed a while ago my post re damage caused by over turboing the tmd22 when the waste gate freezes. It caused the death of our tmd but only after much expense based on bad advice. We installed the d2-75. Good fit. Had to make a little spacer and then it bolted neatly to the angle bars the engine bolts to. The exhaust is on the opposite side, no trouble. It is a turbo engine, 50hp turboed to 75.
A lighter engine, you can see the difference on the waterline. Good torque, will pull the rated max revs even with fouling on the prop. If you decide to go that way I can give you more details
WARNING. Amel told me not to put the 110 in as the c drive in mine is not built for that HP. The later models that were fitted with the 110 had an upgraded c drive. You have been warned
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 27 Jun 2017 17:04, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,


I am sorry to say that we have had a poor experience with TPS, the Volvo agents in Hyeres. Suffice it say that last winter they made a meal out a major service on our 17 year old TMD22P, and 150 hours later we still lack confidence in an engine which didn't miss a beat before they attended to it.

 I am 70  ( Judy remains 21 ) and God willing  can   look forward to another ten years or so of gentle cruising, but I am too busy now to have an unreliable engine.


So, ridiculous expense though it may sound, we are  thinking of swapping our old engine for a new one. Volvo have recommended the D2-75, 75 hp, no electrics beyond the starter motor ( a huge plus in my book )


Its feet and drive connection are said to be a good fit for the old engine.


The alternative would be the D3-110, but we have never been short of power with the TMD22P, which although 78hp is governed down to 60 hp by Amel. Also, I like the extra range that the smaller engine would give.


Has anyone had experience of a D2-75 in an SM ?


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece  






Climma AC Capacitors

pwschofield@...
 

Sorry group to pile onto this topic however, this evening I found the forward stateroom filled with smoke.  After examination of the AC unit, one of the fan capacitors had a big hole in it.  I also located, what I believe are, the two start capacitors inside the control box.  Is it a safe assumption that all three AC units use the same 5 capacitors (3 fan and 2 start)?  My thought is to replace all the capacitors on all three AC units and put these on some kind of maintenance schedule.  Any feedback on whether this is a good idea?  If so, how often should they be switched out?


Any input is appreciated. 

Thank you.
SV Trillium

SM215

Brunswick, GA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Bill,


Thanks. I, too, like all the features that you highlight. It's almost as though Volvo have been listening to the sailing community ( surely a first ! ).


 For the time being we we are persevering with our TMD ( now on to the third warranty claim against the  Volvo guys  in Hyeres who  partly rebuilt it--nothing major each time, a starter motor that had been rebuilt and that came with 12 months warranty but didn't actually start the engine when trying to seek shelter in a rising mistrale off St Tropez and which failed again off Rome; a major oil leak from the  new pipe which returned oil to the sump--only for the replacement  pipe also to fail; and now three oil leaks which have appeared after 150 hours, one from the new turbo which leaks oil onto the top of the gear box. ) We are  ashore at Cleopatra in the Ionian, a  competent yard with a Volvo agency ( for what that's worth...) and they are going to run the engine and  ( maybe !)sort out the leaks.

 Incidentally, when I told TPS that we had to buy a new starter motor ( don't ask the cost) on the advice of the Volvo agent in Rome their response was that before they agreed to reimburse me the cost of their " specialist" subcontractor who had rebuilt the starter motor  in Hyeres I would have to mail the defective starter motor back from Rome to Hyeres ( presumably to check if I and the Rome Volvo agent were telling lies...). I leave you to guess my reply.


The work carried out by the French Volvo guys involved, amongst other things, a regrinding of one of the injector points in the cylinder head. They sent this off to a " specialist " who they claimed to have used for 20 years. On return they put it back, only to find lots of smoke. They concluded that the injectors and  fuel pump might be faulty so they took these off and sent them off to Bosch who declared them sound. This prompted them to realise that their faithful "specialist" had messed up, so the engine was stripped down again and the cylinder head sent back for the work to be redone. Guess what ...? on reassembly there was more smoke, so they concluded that their faithful " specialist " had messed up again. This time they put a new cylinder head on , at their own expense, which they claimed was some 6,000 Euros.

 Alas, we were back in London at this time and we were blocking an Amel berth when we should have been ashore for the winter, so I basically said to TPS to do whatever was necessary to get the engine going again so we could vacate the berth and go ashore.

 I hate to tell you this, but their bill  for a part rebuild came to substantially more than a new engine. Amel in Hyeres were very embarrassed as they had recommended TPS. I got Amel to sit down with TPS and check their bills but at the end of the day how can you query the hours that they said their mechanic took and which they said did not include any repeat work ?

  We all know that Volvo parts are pricey and I can understand in part why they might be ,because they carry spares for an engine that it at least 20-25 years old--though built in the tens of thousands, mainly for light trucks all over the world. Having said that, the price that I paid  to TPS was outrageous, and maybe a symptom of the fact that in the most developed part of our planet there is now a significant shortage of skilled labour--it's easier to replace a part than to  clean and refit it. I know that a similar job would have been done in Turkey for about 1/4 the price.


So, a long and expensive saga, and unless we quickly regain confidence you can understand why , despite the cost, we might just say to hell with it, we have a fabulous boat which justifies a totally reliable engine and the answer is to reward this boat, which has taken us to so many wonderful places, with a new engine.


For the most part Judy and I, who are not technically minded,  have been able to sort out all the maintenance on our three Amels ourselves, so wonderfully designed are they. Whenever we have had to call in expert assistance the guys helping us, whether in South America, the UK or the Med, have loved working on a boat which they can see is so well engineered. The problems we have had with TPS have been a first in 28 years of owning Amels, so maybe we shouldn't complain too much, but .....


Watch this space !


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Cleopatra, Preveza, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 01 July 2017 18:30:50
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
 
Ian and Judy,

I have no personal experience with the D2-75, but it does look like a good match for the SM.

I like the all mechanical operation.

I like the low end torque.  I find this to be the biggest issue with my TMD22.  Sometimes when bucking into a strong headwind, I have a choice between "too slow" or "too fast", and response to short busts of throttle when in close quarters is less than I am used to.

I like that it seems to be a good fit in the existing engine footprint.

I like that it is naturally aspirated.  

If you do decide to go with that engine, I hope you'll post about your experiences.  It would be valuable to those of us with aging powerplants who are considering repowering.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard.


Re: Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu

greatketch@...
 

Ian and Judy,

I have no personal experience with the D2-75, but it does look like a good match for the SM.

I like the all mechanical operation.

I like the low end torque.  I find this to be the biggest issue with my TMD22.  Sometimes when bucking into a strong headwind, I have a choice between "too slow" or "too fast", and response to short busts of throttle when in close quarters is less than I am used to.

I like that it seems to be a good fit in the existing engine footprint.

I like that it is naturally aspirated.  

If you do decide to go with that engine, I hope you'll post about your experiences.  It would be valuable to those of us with aging powerplants who are considering repowering.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning

greatketch@...
 

And if that relief valve fails to close all the way due to a bit of debris or a weak spring it can lead to low oil pressure, especially at low rpm. 

The oil pumps on most all engines will produce way more flow and pressure at higher RPM then the engine needs. When it rises above specification, the relief valve opens and keeps it steady.  That is why you typically see oil pressure build as the rpm rises, but only to a point.  Once the valve begins to open, it stays pretty constant after that as the RPM rises.

On my TMD22 at idle oil pressure is about 20psi.  By the time you get to 1500rpm it reaches 55psi and then rises no higher all the way to full speed.  That is the result of the oil pressure relief valve opening.

I do agree with Bill R. that checking the sender is the place to start.  Making sure the problem is real before tearing into the guts of the engine is a very good idea.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard.


---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote :

Bill,
  As far as I know, all engines with pressurized oil systems also have a pressure relief valve which bypasses the excess oil at a preset pressure.  I can tell you that if the valve gets stuck closed that it can really make a mess when the oil filter blows off. (Grin)   In the case of being unsure of an electronic oil pressure reading, I like to connect a mechanical gauge to help eliminate the guessing. 
Best,

James
SV Sueno, Maramu #220


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-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 07-01-2017 1:54 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning


 

I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function.

I would eliminate #1 before investigating others.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits

Dean Gillies
 

Peter,
Did that price include panels, regulator and installation? 
Cheers
Dean
Amel 54 TBD

On 1 Jul 2017, at 8:20 pm, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Tony, I paid $6,000 in 2013. Excellent product worked well in my circumnavigation.
Peter Forbes 
Carango Amel 54#035
Grenada in hurricane cradle 


On 1 Jul 2017, at 15:10, Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Many thanks John - this was useful.

Tony. 54 no. 102



From: "John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits

 
Hi Tony,
   Several of us have recently purchased arches from Emek.  I am sure others will share their experiences. 

I have a Super Maramu and paid $4250 for the arch without electronics.  Shipping to Ft Lauderdale was an additional $800.  The arch was shipped along with two other Amel customers' arches so shipping cost was shared.
I opted out of the electronics because the cost here in the US was much much lower for same equipment.

Craftsmanship of the arch is first rate, almost artistic quality.  

 Riza is the fellow to talk to over there. My only complaint is the communication with Riza and the slow delivery.  I commissioned and paid for the arch in January,  assured repeatedly that it would be shipped in a couple of weeks.  I did not receive the arch until the last week of May.  I spoke to other Amel owners and they have had a similar experience with Emek.  

The Emek arch is probably one of the best arches for an Amel, and Emek does deliver, only slow.  


Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston, SC


On Jul 1, 2017 9:00 AM, "Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I believe Emek marine in Gocek, Turkey fabricates an excellent rear arch for an Amel 54 - this provides support for several  solar panels and doubles as davits for a RIB. Does anyone have any idea of the approximate cost of this modification ?

Thanks in advance. Tony Robinson - Catriona R Amel 54 no. 102.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits

Peter Forbes
 

Tony, I paid $6,000 in 2013. Excellent product worked well in my circumnavigation.
Peter Forbes 
Carango Amel 54#035
Grenada in hurricane cradle 


On 1 Jul 2017, at 15:10, Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Many thanks John - this was useful.

Tony. 54 no. 102



From: "John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits

 
Hi Tony,
   Several of us have recently purchased arches from Emek.  I am sure others will share their experiences. 

I have a Super Maramu and paid $4250 for the arch without electronics.  Shipping to Ft Lauderdale was an additional $800.  The arch was shipped along with two other Amel customers' arches so shipping cost was shared.
I opted out of the electronics because the cost here in the US was much much lower for same equipment.

Craftsmanship of the arch is first rate, almost artistic quality.  

 Riza is the fellow to talk to over there. My only complaint is the communication with Riza and the slow delivery.  I commissioned and paid for the arch in January,  assured repeatedly that it would be shipped in a couple of weeks.  I did not receive the arch until the last week of May.  I spoke to other Amel owners and they have had a similar experience with Emek.  

The Emek arch is probably one of the best arches for an Amel, and Emek does deliver, only slow.  


Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston, SC


On Jul 1, 2017 9:00 AM, "Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I believe Emek marine in Gocek, Turkey fabricates an excellent rear arch for an Amel 54 - this provides support for several  solar panels and doubles as davits for a RIB. Does anyone have any idea of the approximate cost of this modification ?

Thanks in advance. Tony Robinson - Catriona R Amel 54 no. 102.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning

James Alton
 

Bill,
  As far as I know, all engines with pressurized oil systems also have a pressure relief valve which bypasses the excess oil at a preset pressure.  I can tell you that if the valve gets stuck closed that it can really make a mess when the oil filter blows off. (Grin)   In the case of being unsure of an electronic oil pressure reading, I like to connect a mechanical gauge to help eliminate the guessing. 
Best,

James
SV Sueno, Maramu #220


Sent from Samsung Mobile



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From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 07-01-2017 1:54 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning


 

I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function.

I would eliminate #1 before investigating others.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks bill. We are approaching Chania in Crete. We have been motor sailing for the past almost 4 hours and no issues at cruising RPMS. (1350 -1500). I have located the oil pressure sensor but cannot get to it with the engine running. Once we dock I can get into it more. I agree with your assessment and the likely issue being item #1.

In my search online it appears that other Volvo Penta owners have experienced this and some have dealt with it by lowering the RPMs slowly.  We'll try this once close in to see if this makes any difference. Do you know if there is a governor/limiter that adjust to the oil pressure to ensure proper flow at all RPMs?

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo

On Jul 1, 2017, at 3:41 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@s vbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My guess in order of probability:
1.) The oil pressure sender needs cleaning and/or replacing, or has a loose or worn wire. 
2.) There is a problem with the computer
3.) The oil pump needs to be replaced
4.) Main bearings worn

I am betting it is number 1. 

BTW, I don't believe that this applies to you, but there is a known issue with a Yanmar that causes an indication of low pressure...there is a "T" that the oil pressure sender screws into. This "T" is known to get clogged and cause low pressure. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   
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On Jul 1, 2017 03:33, "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi everyone;


We left Kythera this morning to head to Crete. About 15 minutes out of Kythera we had sufficient wind so we backed out the engine RPMs from about 1500 to Idle to shut off the engine. We immediately got a low oil pressure warning and a message to shut down the engine. Having had check engine faults before that per the suggestions in the manual  would go away after turning the engine off and then back on again, we tried this with the low oil pressure warning. We got the same warning again. So we shut down the engine and sailed back to our anchorage that we had just left and dropped anchor again. After waiting about 10 more minutes and having reviewed the Volvo manual, we turned the engine on again. We did not have the warning. We then placed the engine in reverse and reved up to 1400 RPMs 4 separate times for about 30 seconds, as if we were setting the anchor. The issue did not reappear.


We de cide d to head out, having good favorable winds. We sailed for about 1 hour before the wind started to die down and we started the engine and started motor sailing. After 30 minutes the wind came back up again so we decided to turn off the engine. When we lowered the RPMs to idle, the low pressure warning light came on again. So we have shutoff the engine and are now sailing with about 7 hours left to Crete. The forecast is for the wind to die down when we get close to,our harbor and we will probably need to motor sail the last couple of hours.


I checked the engine oil before we started me again after we received the warning. The oil and oil filter were changed about 1 month ago with genuine Volvo parts about a month ago. I have not looked through the manuals or done any research yet, since I wanted to,get this post out before we lost connection. If any one knows the location of the oil pressure sensor, I'd appreciate the info since it may just be a loose electrical connection. All ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function.

I would eliminate #1 before investigating others.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks bill. We are approaching Chania in Crete. We have been motor sailing for the past almost 4 hours and no issues at cruising RPMS. (1350 -1500). I have located the oil pressure sensor but cannot get to it with the engine running. Once we dock I can get into it more. I agree with your assessment and the likely issue being item #1.

In my search online it appears that other Volvo Penta owners have experienced this and some have dealt with it by lowering the RPMs slowly.  We'll try this once close in to see if this makes any difference. Do you know if there is a governor/limiter that adjust to the oil pressure to ensure proper flow at all RPMs?

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo

On Jul 1, 2017, at 3:41 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@s vbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My guess in order of probability:
1.) The oil pressure sender needs cleaning and/or replacing, or has a loose or worn wire. 
2.) There is a problem with the computer
3.) The oil pump needs to be replaced
4.) Main bearings worn

I am betting it is number 1. 

BTW, I don't believe that this applies to you, but there is a known issue with a Yanmar that causes an indication of low pressure...there is a "T" that the oil pressure sender screws into. This "T" is known to get clogged and cause low pressure. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   
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On Jul 1, 2017 03:33, "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi everyone;


We left Kythera this morning to head to Crete. About 15 minutes out of Kythera we had sufficient wind so we backed out the engine RPMs from about 1500 to Idle to shut off the engine. We immediately got a low oil pressure warning and a message to shut down the engine. Having had check engine faults before that per the suggestions in the manual  would go away after turning the engine off and then back on again, we tried this with the low oil pressure warning. We got the same warning again. So we shut down the engine and sailed back to our anchorage that we had just left and dropped anchor again. After waiting about 10 more minutes and having reviewed the Volvo manual, we turned the engine on again. We did not have the warning. We then placed the engine in reverse and reved up to 1400 RPMs 4 separate times for about 30 seconds, as if we were setting the anchor. The issue did not reappear.


We de cide d to head out, having good favorable winds. We sailed for about 1 hour before the wind started to die down and we started the engine and started motor sailing. After 30 minutes the wind came back up again so we decided to turn off the engine. When we lowered the RPMs to idle, the low pressure warning light came on again. So we have shutoff the engine and are now sailing with about 7 hours left to Crete. The forecast is for the wind to die down when we get close to,our harbor and we will probably need to motor sail the last couple of hours.


I checked the engine oil before we started me again after we received the warning. The oil and oil filter were changed about 1 month ago with genuine Volvo parts about a month ago. I have not looked through the manuals or done any research yet, since I wanted to,get this post out before we lost connection. If any one knows the location of the oil pressure sensor, I'd appreciate the info since it may just be a loose electrical connection. All ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits

Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...>
 

Many thanks John - this was useful.

Tony. 54 no. 102



From: "John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits

 
Hi Tony,
   Several of us have recently purchased arches from Emek.  I am sure others will share their experiences. 

I have a Super Maramu and paid $4250 for the arch without electronics.  Shipping to Ft Lauderdale was an additional $800.  The arch was shipped along with two other Amel customers' arches so shipping cost was shared.
I opted out of the electronics because the cost here in the US was much much lower for same equipment.

Craftsmanship of the arch is first rate, almost artistic quality.  

 Riza is the fellow to talk to over there. My only complaint is the communication with Riza and the slow delivery.  I commissioned and paid for the arch in January,  assured repeatedly that it would be shipped in a couple of weeks.  I did not receive the arch until the last week of May.  I spoke to other Amel owners and they have had a similar experience with Emek.  

The Emek arch is probably one of the best arches for an Amel, and Emek does deliver, only slow.  


Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston, SC


On Jul 1, 2017 9:00 AM, "Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I believe Emek marine in Gocek, Turkey fabricates an excellent rear arch for an Amel 54 - this provides support for several  solar panels and doubles as davits for a RIB. Does anyone have any idea of the approximate cost of this modification ?

Thanks in advance. Tony Robinson - Catriona R Amel 54 no. 102.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits

John Clark
 

Hi Tony,
   Several of us have recently purchased arches from Emek.  I am sure others will share their experiences. 

I have a Super Maramu and paid $4250 for the arch without electronics.  Shipping to Ft Lauderdale was an additional $800.  The arch was shipped along with two other Amel customers' arches so shipping cost was shared.
I opted out of the electronics because the cost here in the US was much much lower for same equipment.

Craftsmanship of the arch is first rate, almost artistic quality.  

 Riza is the fellow to talk to over there. My only complaint is the communication with Riza and the slow delivery.  I commissioned and paid for the arch in January,  assured repeatedly that it would be shipped in a couple of weeks.  I did not receive the arch until the last week of May.  I spoke to other Amel owners and they have had a similar experience with Emek.  

The Emek arch is probably one of the best arches for an Amel, and Emek does deliver, only slow.  


Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston, SC


On Jul 1, 2017 9:00 AM, "Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I believe Emek marine in Gocek, Turkey fabricates an excellent rear arch for an Amel 54 - this provides support for several  solar panels and doubles as davits for a RIB. Does anyone have any idea of the approximate cost of this modification ?

Thanks in advance. Tony Robinson - Catriona R Amel 54 no. 102.