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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.

Porter McRoberts
 

Thanks Bill.  I was looking at those last night.
I think the position on the pot might be compromised some!!  but what price clean clothes.   JP is on the case too in Martinique.  He’s been very helpful in the past.  Re the inverter- I guess I’d have to run wire up to the bow from the battery bank, correct?  

seems like a pretty big deal.  


Thanks for all your help.

Porter

On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:49 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Porter,

Almost all small US washers that might fit will be rated at about 15 amps or 1725 watts @115VAC 60htz. The reason that the current consumed (amps) is lower with US washers is that EU washers electrically heat the water, while almost all of the US washers rely on a hot water input. 

However, I found the Bosch line of Compact Washers that are exceptions. They are rated at 115VAC 2300 Watts and it internally heats water, an exception to the US rule. To be safe a 24VDC to 115VAC 3,000 watt inverter required.


24" Compact Washer, 800 Series - White/Chrome WAT28402UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

24" Compact Washer, 500 Series - White/Silver, WAT28401UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

24" Compact Washer, 300 Series - White, WAT28400UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

The above Height and Width are perfect for the 54. The question is, can you modify the rear mounting to get another 6.9 inches of Depth? I know that there is some room back there, but I am not sure how the cross brace that the washer is secured to can be moved.

I will keep looking for an alternative.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970






Porter McRoberts
Ibis: 54-152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Porter,

Almost all small US washers that might fit will be rated at about 15 amps or 1725 watts @115VAC 60htz. The reason that the current consumed (amps) is lower with US washers is that EU washers electrically heat the water, while almost all of the US washers rely on a hot water input. 

However, I found the Bosch line of Compact Washers that are exceptions. They are rated at 115VAC 2300 Watts and it internally heats water, an exception to the US rule. To be safe a 24VDC to 115VAC 3,000 watt inverter required.


24" Compact Washer, 800 Series - White/Chrome WAT28402UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

24" Compact Washer, 500 Series - White/Silver, WAT28401UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

24" Compact Washer, 300 Series - White, WAT28400UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

The above Height and Width are perfect for the 54. The question is, can you modify the rear mounting to get another 6.9 inches of Depth? I know that there is some room back there, but I am not sure how the cross brace that the washer is secured to can be moved.

I will keep looking for an alternative.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.

John Clark
 

Hi Porter,
     I agree with Joel on the converting 50 to 60hz.   I remember the other day, you saying that you were looking at getting a "transformer" to convert power but didn't think about it until we had left for Charleston.  Either the beer or the discussions about Shakespeare distracted me.  :) 

I found Martinique to have a lot more shopping resources than the other islands especially for 230/50hz equipment.  My washer was working when we left or I would have bought one there.  I did however shop for an icemaker and noted many appliance stores with compact washers.  I'm sure there would be one that fits the 54.  The large mall near the airport called the Galleria has an appliance store that appeared to have a good inventory.  

St. Maarten, at least the stores I went to had 60hz appliances so that might not be a good place to shop.  It is my understanding that the island is all 60hz.  


  If you do head back toward Martinique and intend to spend any significant money on equipment or service on the boat, look up Douglas Rapier (Douglas Yacht Services.)   He is a French customs broker and for a fee can set you up with a VAT exemption number that relieves you of having to pay VAT tax on any purchase related to the boat. He also speaks fluent English.    I used the VAT exemption without issues for the rerigging work at Caraibe and at Amel for parts and servicing.  
​Douglas assured me it would work throughout the island.


Regards,   John

SV Annie (fmr Vent de Soleil)   SM 37  
Charleston, SC


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.

Porter McRoberts
 

All excellent points Joel.  
Really trying not to stray..  But clean clothes!…  
I will most certainly call Jay, and I have a bottle of scotch for you.  Do you like peat?

Thanks Joel

Porter

On Jun 8, 2017, at 8:38 AM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


A couple of challenges…

 

I believe you are referring to a 230V-110V step down transformer. This device will do nothing to convert 50 htz  230V produced by the generator and the majority of shore power available world wide to the 110V 60 htz the replacement washer would need. Converting cycles, either way, is not an easy or inexpensive proposition.

 

You could use a 24V to 110V/60h htz inverter but then you would be employing the battery bank to run the clothes washer, and you would have  110V devices that cannot be serviced in 90 % of the world as 230V/50 htz is the most prevalent power supply world wide.

 

In both cases, you would be adding additional equipment/systems that will be hard to service in the future when you leave the North American continent. More complication. More challenges. Not a worthy solution.

 

Having chased down these types of challenges for more than 35 years, I can tell you that you will face unforeseen obstacles. Even if a manufacturer would be willing to sell you a device not supported by a distribution and repair network in this country, rules and regulations usually prohibit them from doing so. Big companies and even the smaller ones don’t often ‘certify’ product that doesn’t adapt well to the power supply prevalent in a country they don’t normally supply.

 

Your best bet is to go to a French/Dutch island in the Caribbean and get someone who speaks the language to accompany you to a big appliance store in Martinique, Guadeloupe, or Sint Martin and have them order you something compatible if they don’t have it in stock. Much easier to ship an EU compliant unit into an EU territory than to send it here to north American.

 

Or, perhaps some sympathetic Amel owner in Europe will find you a unit that will work, arrange for you to send them the money to pay for it, and have it delivered to a FREIGHT FORWARDER who will know how to get it shipped to you here. If you do that, I suggest J.P. Reynolds here in Fort Lauderdale as your receiving freight forwarder here. They have been flawless serving my and my clients Amel interests for over three decades. Don’t pay me nuthin’, not even a bottle of Scotch at Christmas. Ask for Jay, tell him you are an Amel customer, jay@...  . 954-522-3765.  . Jay has also done the importation/duty payment on every Amel I have sold with very few exceptions. Good guy. Knows the business inside and out. Easy to work with.

 

Try not to change stuff/add sysytems as your Amel is brand new to you. Give it some time to get under your skin before you change anything.

 

Good Luck, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 9:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.

 

  

It seems a yet unsolved problem:  

Replacement washer for 54 Amel.

 

Working with many capable folks on the forum: Joel P, Bill R.  I have been unable to find a suitable replacement this side of the pond, and even more frustratingly the other side as well.  

I had a thought tonight: buy a US model washer and then implant an inverter 230-110 and put that in.  Anyone had success with this approach?  What might be the pitfalls other than the one i am already falling into: size matters.  

 

 

We compute: New washing machine for an Amel 54 is 

Dimensions: (HxLxP en cm) : 85.2 / 60 / 44 or H33.54" / L23.62 "/ D17.33"

 

Hopefully some of the great minds on this forum will have some i sight.  It would certainly be appreciated!!

 

Many thanks in advance:

 

Porter

 

Porter McRoberts
Ibis: 54-152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...

 

 

 

 



Porter McRoberts
Ibis: 54-152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.

amelforme
 

A couple of challenges…

 

I believe you are referring to a 230V-110V step down transformer. This device will do nothing to convert 50 htz  230V produced by the generator and the majority of shore power available world wide to the 110V 60 htz the replacement washer would need. Converting cycles, either way, is not an easy or inexpensive proposition.

 

You could use a 24V to 110V/60h htz inverter but then you would be employing the battery bank to run the clothes washer, and you would have  110V devices that cannot be serviced in 90 % of the world as 230V/50 htz is the most prevalent power supply world wide.

 

In both cases, you would be adding additional equipment/systems that will be hard to service in the future when you leave the North American continent. More complication. More challenges. Not a worthy solution.

 

Having chased down these types of challenges for more than 35 years, I can tell you that you will face unforeseen obstacles. Even if a manufacturer would be willing to sell you a device not supported by a distribution and repair network in this country, rules and regulations usually prohibit them from doing so. Big companies and even the smaller ones don’t often ‘certify’ product that doesn’t adapt well to the power supply prevalent in a country they don’t normally supply.

 

Your best bet is to go to a French/Dutch island in the Caribbean and get someone who speaks the language to accompany you to a big appliance store in Martinique, Guadeloupe, or Sint Martin and have them order you something compatible if they don’t have it in stock. Much easier to ship an EU compliant unit into an EU territory than to send it here to north American.

 

Or, perhaps some sympathetic Amel owner in Europe will find you a unit that will work, arrange for you to send them the money to pay for it, and have it delivered to a FREIGHT FORWARDER who will know how to get it shipped to you here. If you do that, I suggest J.P. Reynolds here in Fort Lauderdale as your receiving freight forwarder here. They have been flawless serving my and my clients Amel interests for over three decades. Don’t pay me nuthin’, not even a bottle of Scotch at Christmas. Ask for Jay, tell him you are an Amel customer, jay@...  . 954-522-3765.  . Jay has also done the importation/duty payment on every Amel I have sold with very few exceptions. Good guy. Knows the business inside and out. Easy to work with.

 

Try not to change stuff/add sysytems as your Amel is brand new to you. Give it some time to get under your skin before you change anything.

 

Good Luck, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 9:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.

 

 

It seems a yet unsolved problem:  

Replacement washer for 54 Amel.

 

Working with many capable folks on the forum: Joel P, Bill R.  I have been unable to find a suitable replacement this side of the pond, and even more frustratingly the other side as well.  

I had a thought tonight: buy a US model washer and then implant an inverter 230-110 and put that in.  Anyone had success with this approach?  What might be the pitfalls other than the one i am already falling into: size matters.  

 

 

We compute: New washing machine for an Amel 54 is 

Dimensions: (HxLxP en cm) : 85.2 / 60 / 44 or H33.54" / L23.62 "/ D17.33"

 

Hopefully some of the great minds on this forum will have some i sight.  It would certainly be appreciated!!

 

Many thanks in advance:

 

Porter

 

Porter McRoberts
Ibis: 54-152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...

 

 

 

 


Re: Maramu 1989 #261 Fire Damage

Dan
 

Best of luck. I flew to new Rochelle myself last Thursday. She's not as bad as they say. It was heat radiation not fire from a boat next to her. She's seems in very good shape. I've worked on glass myself it can be fixed no problem. I'm glad she gets to sail again. But very mad you out bid me.

Danny 83 mango #33


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

I made one search on Electrolux and found four that would fit.

Article no EWS1252EDU, 850x595x377 mm
Article no SW31K6121, 850x595x377 mm
Article no EWS7146EDU, 850x595x448 mm capacaty 7 kg
Article no SW30K4101, 850x595x338 mm

Capacaty for them is 6 kg. The first one is the one I would have choosen since it have protection for variation in the voltage, and shuts down and restart from where it was in the program if short of power.

Contact your Electrolux dealer in US or search for an english version of the Electrolux web site.

Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998



Skickat från min iPad

8 juni 2017 kl. 02:58 skrev Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

It seems a yet unsolved problem:  

Replacement washer for 54 Amel.

Working with many capable folks on the forum: Joel P, Bill R.  I have been unable to find a suitable replacement this side of the pond, and even more frustratingly the other side as well.  
I had a thought tonight: buy a US model washer and then implant an inverter 230-110 and put that in.  Anyone had success with this approach?  What might be the pitfalls other than the one i am already falling into: size matters.  


We compute: New washing machine for an Amel 54 is 
Dimensions: (HxLxP en cm) : 85.2 / 60 / 44 or H33.54" / L23.62 "/ D17.33"

Hopefully some of the great minds on this forum will have some i sight.  It would certainly be appreciated!!

Many thanks in advance:

Porter

Porter McRoberts
Ibis: 54-152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







Re: Maramu 1989 #261 Fire Damage

wug6a5q4e3m5f6uquswx7k5iz6yey5nvag4aghuv@...
 

Hello, I purchased Eyes of the World. She will sail again!  I plan on taking this boat around the world.  I have 25 of experience with fiberglass boat repairs and this boat can be restored to strong as original when done right. This is a very extensive repair but I have the experience and skill to do it right. I have restored worse off boats with larger damaged area.   I have a large budget for the repair and it wont be a quick fix or cosmetic repair for sure!  The boat won't be for sale.  The entire repair will be documented start to finish, including all my future travels. Did you name the boat or was it a previous owner? Im a Grateful Dead fan so I couldn't be happier with the name.  


The 54 washer problem.

Porter McRoberts
 

It seems a yet unsolved problem:  
Replacement washer for 54 Amel.

Working with many capable folks on the forum: Joel P, Bill R.  I have been unable to find a suitable replacement this side of the pond, and even more frustratingly the other side as well.  
I had a thought tonight: buy a US model washer and then implant an inverter 230-110 and put that in.  Anyone had success with this approach?  What might be the pitfalls other than the one i am already falling into: size matters.  


We compute: New washing machine for an Amel 54 is 
Dimensions: (HxLxP en cm) : 85.2 / 60 / 44 or H33.54" / L23.62 "/ D17.33"

Hopefully some of the great minds on this forum will have some i sight.  It would certainly be appreciated!!

Many thanks in advance:

Porter

Porter McRoberts
Ibis: 54-152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Leece-Neville 175 Amp Alternator

Alan Leslie
 

Well said Bill, but I have to disagree about the batteries being held at 28.8 V for long periods of time.
14.4 V is the gassing voltage for a 12 volt battery and holding the 24V bank at 28.8V for long periods of time will cause the batteries to lose electrolyte through gassing. If this electrolyte is not replaced the batteries will be damaged.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Leece-Neville 175 Amp Alternator

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Yes, there are differing opinions on this subject and hopefully, Eric, it is not WWIII. And I believe that you have to be especially careful when you say, "I do not believe that the alternator needs a 3 stage regulator." And also when we discuss the "Battery Bank" without clarifying the type of batteries.

I always like to check with the closest person to the source to get the best informed answer. Based on what I learned from the Chief Engineer at Leece Neville, the regulator is in the Super Maramu alternator is perfect for 8-12 100-115 amp hour deep cycle flooded batteries, but not nearly as good for other types like AGM batteries. So, Henri Amel picked the best most problem free alternator for the batteries he installed...BUT, when you change the type of the batteries, you change that equation. The Chief Engineer strongly suggested a smart regulator added to the Leece Neville when I was thinking about AGM Batteries.

I have found the almost all of the electricians I have talked to agree that 28.5 volts with almost zero amps will do absolutely no harm to a flooded battery bank. Voltage is NOT Current.

Most of us will continue to do the things we have done as long as we are satisfied with the results...me too! And most of us do not compare alternatives when we are satisfied AND when it is something that we feel we do not fully understand...me too!

So, Henri Amel's battery/alternator design in the Super Maramu is correct...but, when you start changing components and/or parameters, everything changes. I believe what I was told by Leece Neville and I am really glad Amel picked them. If you doubt it just ask any Amel 54 owner if they have ever changed their alternator. The 54 does not have Leece Neville and I think more than half have been changed.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970




On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 7:45 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks Clay,


That looks really interesting !

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Eberspacher Heater

Ian Shepherd
 

Hello Bill,

once in a while I run my Eberspacher off a can filled with kerosene to clean it out. As our boats only have one fuel tank, this avoids diluting the diesel used for the main engine.

Regarding Duane's problem, I would not immediately jump to the conclusion that the ECU has failed. Duane should try someone else's ECU if he can first, rather than spend a lot of money for a spare you don't need. It's very easy to access and swap. I still think he should listen for any sign's of relay operation during the self test phase. If the relay operates, then chances are that the ECU may not be the problem as the ECU commands the test sequence. Incidentally I was chatting with another Espar owner yesterday who told me that he also had a fault on the relay board at the back end of the heater unit. This board is about one fifth of the price of an ECU.

Cheers

Ian SM2K 414 (2003) Crusader Cyprus


On 05/06/2017 21:07, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
a side note about Espar Heaters...

I have performed a lot of service on these units and I will say the amount of usage on these is critical to their operation. One should almost always consider "stepping it up" according to size. For example, a vessel of our size , it is recommended (hydronic) M8 or M10 units however, stepping it up to the M12 will ensue this unit is not running 24 hours a day to keep up with the heating demands. One more example, I helped install a unit last fall and by the end of the winter the customer was complaining that it was not working properly. It was making a lot of noise and bellowing white smoke. It had over 5300 hours on it and needed a complete overhaul to remove the carbon build up in the firing chamber. These units should be removed and sent off for service once a season if hours exceed 2500. One more thing that helps these run better is if you cut the fuel with kerosene. The general rule is 10% however, it is not recommended you run your main at this time because some of the lubricating properties of diesel are diluted. 
These are DC units and voltages are always critical during operation. Low voltage will also cause carbon build up and failures. 

Duane, I agree with Ian your ECU is the likely culprit.

Cheers all,

Bill Maffei 
SM #195
It's all Good 


Amel - To change or not to change? The answer

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ian,

You bring up an interesting point when you say, "Did Amel get it wrong or.." I noticed that someone said something similar on the heater thread.

My following comment is NOT for you or any of the very experienced Amel owners, rather it is for the members of this forum that are here to find their Amel and those that have recently bought their Amel.

In my opinion based on my experience, every Amel owner should put a high degree of trust in the decisions that Amel made (especially boats that Henri Amel participated in) regarding design, engineering, systems, production, and choices of components. I am aware of more than a few instances where "new-to-Amel" owners used their "experience" with other brands to "change" their Amel. In many cases the results were costly to the new-to-Amel owner, and in some cases very costly to the boat's next owner.

Henri Amel always said, "Respect the Sea." I always say, "Respect Henri Amel." Henri Amel's choices and decisions will be right more times than anyone participating in this group. Now, I would like to say, "If you like to gamble with an expensive asset, be aware of the odds."

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970







Re: Replace mirror washing room

qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@...
 

Thank you all for the help!

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 no. 397


Re: Leece-Neville 175 Amp Alternator

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Clay,

That looks really interesting !

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Leece-Neville 175 Amp Alternator

claysparkes@...
 

Hi all,

I've just recently purchased two of these Alternator Regulators http://arduinoalternatorregulator.blogspot.com

from Al Thomason.  I'm yet to receive them, and they won't be fitted until late in the month, but they seem a cost effective way of alleviating the concerns that Alan has written about, and that I had regarding my Maramu's 1 x 55 A and 1 x 70A 28yo 'dumb' Valeo alternators.

I had changed the battery bank to Exide Gel, and needed to optimise the charging profile.

At $80 USD each plus freight (and seemingly comparable to Balmar et al) I hope I've just bought cheap insurance.

I was really impressed by Al's support - he went beyond my expectations.

Cheers
Clay
Maramu #260 1989
Boat's in Spain, I'm in Oz
 


---In amelyachtowners@..., <divanz620@...> wrote :

Hello Ian,

The regulator doesn't carry the 175 Amps, it just tells the alternator what to do. The current comes from the alternator. Any 3-stage regulator can control any alternator. The regulkator just modulates the field current in the alternator which dermines the alternator's output.
The current that flows, no matter where it comes from, into the batteries, is dependent on the current acceptance capacity of the batteries, up to the limit of the device delivering the current.
We have AGM batteries which have a much higher acceptance rate than flooded LA batteries, so if you don;t have AGMs then the limitations of the current rating of the Leece Neville alternator may not be an issue, but its built-in single stage voltage regulator will be if you use it for a long time.
Cheers
Alan
Elyze SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Leece-Neville 175 Amp Alternator

Alan Leslie
 

Hello Ian,

The regulator doesn't carry the 175 Amps, it just tells the alternator what to do. The current comes from the alternator. Any 3-stage regulator can control any alternator. The regulkator just modulates the field current in the alternator which dermines the alternator's output.
The current that flows, no matter where it comes from, into the batteries, is dependent on the current acceptance capacity of the batteries, up to the limit of the device delivering the current.
We have AGM batteries which have a much higher acceptance rate than flooded LA batteries, so if you don;t have AGMs then the limitations of the current rating of the Leece Neville alternator may not be an issue, but its built-in single stage voltage regulator will be if you use it for a long time.
Cheers
Alan
Elyze SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Leece-Neville 175 Amp Alternator

eric freedman
 

Ian,

The top of my batteries were covered with a big label.

Once I cut the label.

About 1/3 of the top of the battery was the cover of all the 6 cells..

I put a very large screwdriver under the lip of the cover and popped the entire cover off.

Take a close look at the top of the battery, they had to fill the battery somehow when it was made.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Leece-Neville 175 Amp Alternator

 

 

Hello Alan,

my solar panels also deliver 28.8V to my house batteries for long periods of time. However the charge regulators ensure that no current is flowing until needed. When the controllers sense a need for a top up charge they allow a 5 amp charge for a few seconds only. This is good for the batteries and is similar to the way that recovery chargers work.

I tried to avoid motoring whenever possible, but when doing so, I have monitored the charge output from the Leece-Neville alternator. When the house bank is charged, the alternator output current is zero, a similar situation to the solar panels taking control of charging. My 12 house batteries will be 4 years old in October, and so far all the state indicators are in the green.

It is true that Leece-Neville have a new regulator for our generator, but as far as I can see, I don't think I have a problem.

I agree with Eric that batteries can dry out, particularly in hot climates. However I have yet to find a way to 'break in' to my sealed batteries.

Thank you for your suggestion Alan. I will take  a look in the files section at the modification. I guess that a regulator capable of handling 175 amps is going to expensive?

Kind regards

Ian SM2K 414 (2003) 'Crusader' Cyprus

 

On 06/06/2017 11:39, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Well done Ian !

 

While you are about it you may consider  fitting an external regulator that will charge the house batteries correctly

 

There are a couple of ways of doing this which are illustrated well in the files section.

 

The problem with the internal LN regulator is that is delivers 28.8 volts... forever....., and that will eventually kill your deep cycle house batteries if you motor for long periods.

 

If you do motor for hours you need to have a system that will deal with charging your deep cycle house batteries in a 3-stage manner ...if you want to prolong the life of your batteries.

 

if you have plenty of money to spend on batteries then  I guess it doesn't matter.

 

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Leece-Neville 175 Amp Alternator

Ian Shepherd
 

Hello Alan,

my solar panels also deliver 28.8V to my house batteries for long periods of time. However the charge regulators ensure that no current is flowing until needed. When the controllers sense a need for a top up charge they allow a 5 amp charge for a few seconds only. This is good for the batteries and is similar to the way that recovery chargers work.

I tried to avoid motoring whenever possible, but when doing so, I have monitored the charge output from the Leece-Neville alternator. When the house bank is charged, the alternator output current is zero, a similar situation to the solar panels taking control of charging. My 12 house batteries will be 4 years old in October, and so far all the state indicators are in the green.

It is true that Leece-Neville have a new regulator for our generator, but as far as I can see, I don't think I have a problem.

I agree with Eric that batteries can dry out, particularly in hot climates. However I have yet to find a way to 'break in' to my sealed batteries.

Thank you for your suggestion Alan. I will take  a look in the files section at the modification. I guess that a regulator capable of handling 175 amps is going to expensive?

Kind regards

Ian SM2K 414 (2003) 'Crusader' Cyprus


On 06/06/2017 11:39, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Well done Ian !


While you are about it you may consider  fitting an external regulator that will charge the house batteries correctly

There are a couple of ways of doing this which are illustrated well in the files section.
 
The problem with the internal LN regulator is that is delivers 28.8 volts... forever....., and that will eventually kill your deep cycle house batteries if you motor for long periods.

If you do motor for hours you need to have a system that will deal with charging your deep cycle house batteries in a 3-stage manner ...if you want to prolong the life of your batteries.

if you have plenty of money to spend on batteries then  I guess it doesn't matter.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Leece-Neville 175 Amp Alternator

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Bob,
Your first paragraph is an exact illustration of what happens when you start the Yanmar with fully charged house batteries - even if you have, as we do, a 3-stage regulator on the Leece Neville alternator. However, I omitted to mention that we also have a field disconnect switch for the LN alternator so that if the house bank is fully charged and we want to motor, we can disconnect the field wire in the alternator so that its output is zero.
Another issue with rewiring the LN alternator with a 3-stage regulator is that if your batteries are down and you start the Yanmar, the LN will put out maximum current (175Amps) until the battery voltage reaches 28.8V. The LN alternator is not "hot-rated" to produce maximum current continuously. If it is putting out 175A continuously eventually it will burnt itself out - you'll smell it before it dies !
Two solutions to that - easy, immediate, start the genset and turn on your 100A charger until the charging current gets down to something manageable for the alternator...say 130A.
More complex, put a high wattage rheostat in the field wire from the regulator to the alternator so you can reduce the field current and thus reduce the LN output to safe levels...I have this all set to go, but haven't yet installed it. 
Your second paragraph illustrates a potential, but unlikely problem. Automotive alternators such as those used on the Yanmar and Onan are very reliable as long as they are looked after. If you disconnect the battery from the alternator while it is putting out you have the possibility to fry the diodes in the alternator. The only real solution to your scenario would be to have a "kill" switch or field disconnect switch in these alternators also.
I don't have this given that I believe the risk of your scenario is very low.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437