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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

As always thanks for your help.

Haven’t start to look at the air conditioning (finishing work for a client).

I am able to run the salon air conditioning without problem (haven’t tried the forward cabin) so to me, the calpeda pump is fine.
The breaker only trips when I use the aft cabin air conditioning.
So something in that units is causing the issue (I assume a short, ground fault).

In 30 min, I should be able to test the capacitors, I just don’t know how to “discharge” them… any suggestion?

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre




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On Tue, 6/27/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 8:00 AM


 









Alex,
I think I understand that as soon as
you turn on the A/C, the main 30amp Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trips (on the side of the 220V breaker panel).
Your shore power also has a GFI breaker.
If this is true, that particular
symptom probably has nothing to do with the the compressor,
or any part on the Climma Compact 9 unit for the aft
cabin. 
Here is
why: When you turn ON any of
your AC units, the only powered device inside the Compact 9
is the countdown timer. It will be the only thing powered
until the countdown expires which is probably 10-20
seconds.
When you turn ON any of
your AC units the pump relay box and the pump should be
immediately
powered.Therefore:If
the 30 amp Ground Fault Breaker trips during the timer
countdown, your symptom is most likely caused by a ground
fault, and the most likely place for a ground fault is at
the Calpeda BCM20E pump, or less likely the pump relay
box. 
This is
what I would investigate:Is the
mechanical seal leaking and running inside the motor? (most
likely)
Is the capacitor good? If
you don't know replace it.Did the pump motor
get wet?I hope this
helps.
Best,
CW Bill RouseAdmiral,
Texas NavyCommander EmeritusAmel
School www.amelschool.com720
Winnie StGalveston Island, TX
77550+1(832) 380-4970






On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
6:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and
thank you for your replies,



Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
compressor…



Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge
them” prior to testing?



Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch
is off at the thermostat does it still trip the
breaker?”



Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM





 



















Alexandre.

if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still

trip the breaker?

The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow

circuit breaker, If there is a short it will

trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the

thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,

Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If

there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.

Fair Winds,

Eric

sm 376



----- Original

Message -----

From: "Alexandre

Uster von

Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"

Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com



> Good afternoon,

>

> Today, I hear the

fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one

> behind the panel).

> I

found out the fuse of the marina also trip.

>

> After running tests,

the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning

> (which I have been using non stop for 9

days).

>

> Running

the salon does not trip anything.

>

> What could be the cause?

> How to diagnostic and solve the issue?

>

> Did I use too much

the air conditioning?

> How come the

Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?

> How come I trip the marina fuse?

>

> Thanks in advance.



>

> Sincerely,

Alexandre

> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

> Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,

FWI

>







































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I think I understand that as soon as you turn on the A/C, the main 30amp Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trips (on the side of the 220V breaker panel). Your shore power also has a GFI breaker.

If this is true, that particular symptom probably has nothing to do with the the compressor, or any part on the Climma Compact 9 unit for the aft cabin. 

Here is why: 
  • When you turn ON any of your AC units, the only powered device inside the Compact 9 is the countdown timer. It will be the only thing powered until the countdown expires which is probably 10-20 seconds.
  • When you turn ON any of your AC units the pump relay box and the pump should be immediately powered.
Therefore:
If the 30 amp Ground Fault Breaker trips during the timer countdown, your symptom is most likely caused by a ground fault, and the most likely place for a ground fault is at the Calpeda BCM20E pump, or less likely the pump relay box. 

This is what I would investigate:
  1. Is the mechanical seal leaking and running inside the motor? (most likely)
  2. Is the capacitor good? If you don't know replace it.
  3. Did the pump motor get wet?
I hope this helps.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970







On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and thank you for your replies,

Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead compressor…

Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge them” prior to testing?

Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still trip the breaker?”

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM


 









Alexandre.
if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still
trip the breaker?
The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow
circuit breaker, If there is a short it will
trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the
thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If
there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm 376

----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Good afternoon,
>
> Today, I hear the
fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one
> behind the panel).
> I
found out the fuse of the marina also trip.
>
> After running tests,
the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> (which I have been using non stop for 9
days).
>
> Running
the salon does not trip anything.
>
> What could be the cause?
> How to diagnostic and solve the issue?
>
> Did I use too much
the air conditioning?
> How come the
Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> How come I trip the marina fuse?
>
> Thanks in advance.

>
> Sincerely,
Alexandre
> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,
FWI
>





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and thank you for your replies,

Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead compressor…

Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge them” prior to testing?

Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still trip the breaker?”

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM


 









Alexandre.
if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still
trip the breaker?
The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow
circuit breaker, If there is a short it will
trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the
thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If
there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm 376

----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Good afternoon,
>
> Today, I hear the
fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one
> behind the panel).
> I
found out the fuse of the marina also trip.
>
> After running tests,
the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> (which I have been using non stop for 9
days).
>
> Running
the salon does not trip anything.
>
> What could be the cause?
> How to diagnostic and solve the issue?
>
> Did I use too much
the air conditioning?
> How come the
Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> How come I trip the marina fuse?
>
> Thanks in advance.

>
> Sincerely,
Alexandre
> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,
FWI
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Steve,
I purchased the capacitors of the Calpeda from Coastal Climate Control info@...
They might be able to give you more information.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI



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On Mon, 6/26/17, steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 7:12 PM


 









Hi all.  We moved on to SM #380 this
week in Brunswick, GA and have been running the A/C a good
bit very the past two days when I noticed early this morning
that it had shut down. Initially I noticed the breaker
behind the 220 panel had tripped, but after a reset, I
switched on the salon AC and didn't hear the pump kick
in and opened the engine room hatch to see the water Climma
water pump smoking. As I am in the US and fairly stationary
for the next month or so I am considering replacing the pump
with a new unit rather than trying to troubleshoot and
repair what I imagine is original and therefor nearly 15
years old. What are my options for a replacement pump and
what must I consider?  Thank you
all.
Steve
MorrisonSm 380
TouRaiBrunswick,
GA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] wiring conduits from lazarette to chart table

Sv Garulfo
 

Bill,

Thanks for your input.

Yes, there is a clear path between the battery compartment (the switch part of it) and the hidden part of the bookshelf above the hanging locker. There are actually 2 openings in the bulkhead; at the top and one at the bottom. They exit in stern storage compartment of the companionway, behind a removable panel. The top one is used to run cables to the ceiling of the companionway, through a conduit covered in ceiling-type lining.  The bottom one is used to get to the battery compartment.  
(The big white flexible pipe is for the ventilation of the battery compartment). 


I can also easily get to the chart table cabinets from the bookshelf. I can give you more details. 

But my problem is really about the PVC tubes that connect the lazarette and that bookshelf. I have 2 openings on the bookshelf end, but only one in the lazarrette. The tube that's empty is, sadly, the deadened one. The other one is already pretty busy with all the SSB cables. 

I really believe Amel would have put the empty one for future use but I wonder how it is supposed to be used. Maybe something was missed on our boat ? I'm asking other 54 owners to check their setup, if possible. 

I'm also talking to Amel about it but I was looking for real life input too. 

Thanks 
Thomas 



On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 at 01:43, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Thomas,

Thanks for your photos!

I have done this job on a Super Maramu, but not on a 54.

Try this and please let me know what yo find:
I think that there is a conduit between what you show in your photo "1.ACCESS+TO+WIRING" and the battery compartment.

Look closely at the inside of the storage cabinet door on the left above the battery bank. I think that the carpet covered panel inside that cabinet on the left side is removable...let me know.

I am certain that there is conduit that can bee seen on this side of the bulkhead that opens on the other side of the bulkhead shown in your photo "1.ACCESS+TO+WIRING."

What I believe you need to do is run the wire from the lazarette conduit shown in your photo "3.Inside+the+Lazarette" to the conduit shown in "1.ACCESS+TO+WIRING", then through another piece of conduit that passes through the bulkhead near the top, down to the battery box.

Again, let me know, I want to document this for all 54 owners.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 12:12 PM, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from SV Garulfo included below]

Hi all

Still working on that solar panels project.

Today was about planning the wiring between the lazarette and somewhere near the battery bank.

On our 54 there is a PVC tube that runs up from the lazarette to the back of a the book shelve located above the hanging cupboard at the chart table. It's used to run the BLU cabling, for instance the antenna coax. I was able to pull a line through it, happy.

Now, next to the chart table end of that tube, I can see another, smaller, empty tube. That looks like an ideal conduit for the cables. Except it does not exit anywhere, and the line puller blocks at what sounds like the bulkhead of the lazarette...

A few pictures to illustrate


Now the question:
Does anyone have a similar set up and know where this tube is supposed to end? 



Thanks
Thomas

--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Reya AMFA pump carbon brushes

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

I purchased a spare fresh water pump from Amel.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/26/17, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Reya AMFA pump carbon brushes
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 6:09 PM


 









I know this is another topic that has
been beaten to death... 
Anyone have a link to
source the updated pump that replaces the original (Hull
#195) water pump? I know I have seen something floating
around. 
Or... Is there a source for
the carbon brushes? 
I have been using a Jabsco
for a few years now and have had no problems but it would be
nice to resort back to original
systems. 
Cheers,
Bill
MaffeiSM
#195 It's all Good 









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Eric,

Sorry, I don't know if the ICOM converter is isolated or not.
If you have one an easy way to check is to put your multimeter on ohms and put one led on the 24 -Ve and the other on the 12-ve...if you get a reading of less than infinity or many megohms, then it's not isolated.
Maybe someone has a data sheet for the ICOM converter ? 

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

rossirossix4
 

You might take a look at KoolAir MagDrive (no shaft seal and isolated, extended dry run times AND thermo-overload with auto-reset)--they have 220 50hz versions and these pumps have an excellent track record.   500 gph  version could be used as Dessalator feed and the 1000 (54 liter/minute @ 50hz) would work with AC.  Price is very good as well  http://search.defender.com/?expression=KoolAir%20Pumps  http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|6880|2061076|2061077|2234240&id=3427174  http://www.defender.com/pdf/901764.pdf  These are similar to the March pumps that Coastal Climate control is using.
Bob, Kaimi SM429


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Alexandre,

One way to trip both a breaker internal to the boat and a breaker at the dock at the same time and to not trip the Diruptor breaker can conceivably be:

1.  The breaker internal to your boat happens to be an RCD breaker in addition to being a regular breaker.

2.  The breaker at the dock happens to be RCD breaker in addition to being a regular breaker, or, the breakers are joined in such a way that if the RCD breaker trips, it also disconnects the regular breaker.

This happened to Peregrinus.  It was a current leak from a defective water heating unit.  Both an RCD breaker internal to the boat and the dock's breakers would trip simultaneously.  The Diruptor never tripped.

Cheerio,

SM2K Nr. 350
Kaunos (ancient Caria), Asia Minor


Re: Water pump for Climma A/C

mfmcgovern@...
 

Steve,

I'll second Gary Silver's comment on checking the capacitor.  We went through two capacitors on that pump in two days during our survey.  Each time the capacitor melted upon a hot start (AC running for a long time then turned off and re-started within 60 seconds while the pump was still hot).  We don't really know if we have identified or solved the root cause of the problem just yet.  We had the Calpeda pump replaced as it was under warranty.  We will be back on the boat next Saturday, July 1st and will report back if we have further information.

Mark McGovern

SM #440 Tobago Cays III (soon to be SV Cara)

Currently in Le Marin, Martinique (soon to be Herrington Harbor North, Deale, MD)




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: Electrical Connector

greatketch@...
 

When ever I have to work on a circuit that branches from one of those lugs, I remove it and replace it with a proper bus bar.  Those lugs are really not the best way to make multiple connections.  Resistance can be high, and being able to disconnect circuits one at a time is a VERY useful thing especially if you have to do something like track down a ground fault, not to mention adding or removing equipment.

One ground terminal on my boat had 18 (!!!???!!!) wires all soldered together into a huge, single lump and inserted into one of those lugs.  That's just wrong, even though it was done by Amel, it's STILL wrong.

Trying to stack more than 4 rings on a single post is also not a good idea. Resistance can get quite high since each ring does not have a direct connection to the source--only through other rings.  Even a touch of corrosion on each ring and soon everything starts to run hot, which makes even more resistance, which makes it hotter...  It gets really bad if the nut gets a little loose, and the rings aren't smashed together really tight, and with a whole bunch of rings, the likelihood of a little play letting the nut get loose goes up.

I have seen boat fires, two of them were started by electricity.  They are terrifying, even at the dock.  Don't take shortcuts.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrical Connector

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

paul schofield <pwschofield@...>
 

Steve, we have a Marche pump on our boat if you'd like to walk over tomorrow and get the specs. 

Paul
SM 215

On Jun 26, 2017 8:12 PM, "steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all.  We moved on to SM #380 this week in Brunswick, GA and have been running the A/C a good bit very the past two days when I noticed early this morning that it had shut down. Initially I noticed the breaker behind the 220 panel had tripped, but after a reset, I switched on the salon AC and didn't hear the pump kick in and opened the engine room hatch to see the water Climma water pump smoking. As I am in the US and fairly stationary for the next month or so I am considering replacing the pump with a new unit rather than trying to troubleshoot and repair what I imagine is original and therefor nearly 15 years old. What are my options for a replacement pump and what must I consider?  Thank you all.


Steve Morrison

Sm 380 TouRai

Brunswick, GA






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

Mark Erdos
 

Steve,

 

We replaced the expensive Italian Calpeda pump installed by Amel with this: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/product-catalog/product/260-march-1500-gph-115-230v.html. It works much better than the Calpeda (very old technology and expensive parts - also not suitable to ground to the bonding system). The March pump doesn't need to connect the housing to the bonding system since it is plastic where seawater touches (you will need to connect to the ground). You can probably get the pump cheaper if you shop other than coastal climate: http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-TE-5-5C-MD-1-Phase-115-230V-TEFC-/361876817634?hash=item54418a06e2:g:rMkAAOxygPtSyFqm

 

If you wish to replace with the same pump (after all, lasted 15 years) Coastal Climate is the USA dealer: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/water-pumps.html  They are the people who recommended the March pump to me and it has worked well for 2+ years. It was an easy swap as the foot print and hoses are similar. You need to jump the wiring to make it 220v (instructions are included – very easy to do)

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St Croix, USVI

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

 

 

Hi all.  We moved on to SM #380 this week in Brunswick, GA and have been running the A/C a good bit very the past two days when I noticed early this morning that it had shut down. Initially I noticed the breaker behind the 220 panel had tripped, but after a reset, I switched on the salon AC and didn't hear the pump kick in and opened the engine room hatch to see the water Climma water pump smoking. As I am in the US and fairly stationary for the next month or so I am considering replacing the pump with a new unit rather than trying to troubleshoot and repair what I imagine is original and therefor nearly 15 years old. What are my options for a replacement pump and what must I consider?  Thank you all.

 

Steve Morrison

Sm 380 TouRai

Brunswick, GA

 

 

 


Re: Water pump for Climma A/C

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Steve:  Where on the pump was the smoke coming from.  Most likely it was the capacitor in the electrical box on the top of the pump (at least if it is a blue Calpeda pump).  Easily replaced for $15.  Anything more than that and a new pump might be in order.  March pumps have been used but one sized for that spot (as it services all three ACs is over $500 in a 220 VAC 50/60 hertz magnetic impeller variety.  I don't recall the gph (gallons per hour) rating of the Calpeda pump put I know it is listed on this website somewhere.  Try to match that if the easy and cheap start/run capacitor replacement doesn't work. 

Gary Silver   SM #335   s/v Liahona   Puerto Rico


Water pump for Climma A/C

steve_morrison@...
 

Hi all.  We moved on to SM #380 this week in Brunswick, GA and have been running the A/C a good bit very the past two days when I noticed early this morning that it had shut down. Initially I noticed the breaker behind the 220 panel had tripped, but after a reset, I switched on the salon AC and didn't hear the pump kick in and opened the engine room hatch to see the water Climma water pump smoking. As I am in the US and fairly stationary for the next month or so I am considering replacing the pump with a new unit rather than trying to troubleshoot and repair what I imagine is original and therefor nearly 15 years old. What are my options for a replacement pump and what must I consider?  Thank you all.


Steve Morrison

Sm 380 TouRai

Brunswick, GA