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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First SM 2000 Hull Number
Chris Shiels <rettirc@...>
Olivier,
Thank you for the info, I have been sent a photo of the original prop with the s/n on the blades. Only trouble is that there are only 2 of the 3 blades with the hub. I am not 100% sure that l shall get the original prob back in my possession, more concerning if there are other parts missing or there is damage from losing the blade. I do prefer a folding prop over a fixed, I hate drag!!!!!
A lot to do, we are arriving at the boat in a few days and there's still a lot to do.
Chris
On 28 Jul 2017, at 4:55 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Thanks Olivier. I am sure Chris is also thankful for the information.
Best,
Bill Rouse
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Re: metalized Amel logo on vent covers
You also can order new logo stickers from Amel.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] shaft seal for Calpeda AC pump -FOUND
Hi Bill, I bought a shaft seal for $12- locally from an industrial supply. In Colombia they were about $5- Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:38 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] shaft seal for Calpeda AC pump -FOUND Eric and all, I just spoke with Maureen at Coastal Climate Control. She gave me this information: M3335H - Seal Kit for Calpeda pump B-CM20E (Climma part #M67270x) –currently in stock -$73.50
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] shaft seal for Calpeda AC puimp
Alexandre, Thanks. I sourced the shaft seals locally. Just as a side note you have to be very careful with the graphite seat. It breaks easily. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 ‘
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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] shaft seal for Calpeda AC puimp Good morning Eric,
Back in 2013 when I had my Calpeda pump overhauled.
Coastal Climate told me they had only a few rebuild kit left, so I bought 4.
The kits come with instruction on how to do the work.
Here is the link to the instruction:
https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/images/PDF/calpeda_pump_shaft_seal_replacement.pdf
Unfortunately that won’t tell me the shaft size.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Plaisance de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI
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On Wed, 7/26/17, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] shaft seal for Calpeda AC puimp
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 4:58 PM
Hi,I
need to buy a spare shaft seal on the Calpeda pump that is
for my AC units.I
am repairing another pump and found a source for Metric
shaft seals , I thought I would, at the same time, buy a
spare for the Calpeda AC pump.Can
someone email me a photo and measurements of the seal and
the seat?There seems to be many configurations of
this seat and 4 different seat materials such as graphite ,
ceramic and a few others.I
can then order it at the same time. Fair Winds EricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu
#376 Kimberlite@...,___
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel propeller
Alan, I ordered mine with lock down floorboards, it was an option. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel propeller I actually quite like the "blue" floor boards ! What I don't like is that they cannot be locked down....I am working on that
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Refrigerator replacement AMEL54
One of the things that everybody "knows" that is not true is that a front opening fridge is inefficient because "all the cold air falls out when you open it."
While it is true that the cold air DOES fall out, that really has a negligible effect on the efficiency of the box. It will take 100 times as much power to cool down that ONE warm beer as it does to cool all the warm air in the box.
This is one of those myths that somebody wrote once and everybody (almost) who has written about boat fridges ever since has copied without doing the numbers for themselves.
This assumes of course that the door seal actually seals and you are not cooling new air all the time even when the door is closed...
Give me a well insulated front opening fridge over a poorly insulated top opening box every time. The problem on most boats is finding ANY well insulated fridge.
Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Swan's Island, Maine
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Refrigerator replacement AMEL54
I can give you something preliminary. We are also swapping out our old unit, a Frigoboat with a Danfoss 35 compressor; I though of just preparing, but the bottom of the box is very rusted, and it just did not seem to be worth it.
I can only assume that the 54 has the same dimensions as the SM. If so, here is what I have done so far:
Frigoboat makes a seemingly identical unit, the 130 (refers to capacity in liters, about 4.6 cubic feet for those in the one country that doesn’t do metric). The box is one part, and the compressor and fan are separate, just like the unit that I believe was installed on our boat at the factory. Coastal Climate the US will sell you the entire box/compressor for about $2,900.
A nearly identical unit can also be bought from Isotherm for about $1,000. That’s what we are going with, looks like it should fit like a glove; it does not have the separate condenser that can lie underneath, but is integrated into the back of the unit. On paper it has the potential for much energy saving, variable speed compressor, digital thermostat, etc.
I don’t know much about the drawer models, I was not interested in them.
Will report back after a (hopefully) smooth installation.
One last thought: as I was working on getting the old unit out, and trying to fix it, I was once again blown away at how easy, and enjoyable, it is to work on things on an Amel. I’m sure the old Captain was fastidious about making things accessible, just like he was with quality in general. I cannot imagine sailing a different boat.
Tom Peacock SM #240 Aletes
Dear Amelians, I'm considering to replace the refrigerator in the galley and am therefore looking for a model withe the same size, but hopefully has multiple drawers to store thinghs and is more energy efficient (not releasing all the cold air when open). Does anyone from the comminity have experience with other models / recommondations? Best regards, Alex Ramseyer "NO STRESS" AMEL54#15 Grenada / Le Phare Bleu Marina
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metalized Amel logo on vent covers
I am in the middle of the refit of my older SM and while I probably should be focused more on the mundane items on my list like replacing hoses, I thought some fun cosmetic work needs to be mixed in.
A while ago I watched a video of an older SM in which it appeared that the vent covers on the side of the cockpit had the logo redone in what appeared to be stainless steel. I cannot recall where I saw the video, and I cannot now find it. I believe it was SV Eleuthera, SM #007), is that correct Jean-Pierre? If so could you tell me how it was accomplished?
Regards, John
John Clark SV Annie, SM 37 Charleston, SC
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Refrigerator replacement AMEL54
Mark Erdos
Alex,
We toyed with the
idea of a replacement last summer and searched the USA for a compatible
solution. We were looking mostly at drawer models. However, the best solution
we could find was a semi-custom unit from Coastal Climate Control. Most of the
standard models include the compressor within the box profile thus we would lose
some refrigeration space. To have an exterior compressor such as the standard
install on Amel was getting expensive. The cost was quickly approaching $4,000.
We then looked
at the unit Amel installed. It is a solid well made box. Better than anything
new we could buy. We decided to keep the box and replace the compressor, condenser
and thermostat giving the unit all new guts. The new variable speed compressor
uses about ½ the amps of the original year 2000 unit. We are very happy with
the results. When we put the box back under the cabinet, we wrapped the box
with ½” foam-board adding an extra R level of insulation. The box was a very
tight fit getting it back into the cutout. The added insulation has made a big difference
in the tropics. We keep the unit at about 38F or 4C with not problems. The
complete overhaul was about $1200.
Hope this
helps.
With best
regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel
- Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently
cruising - Grenada
www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Refrigerator replacement AMEL54
I'm
considering to replace the refrigerator in the galley and am therefore looking
for a model withe the same size, but hopefully has multiple drawers to store
thinghs and is more energy efficient (not releasing all the cold air when
open). Does anyone from the comminity have experience with other models /
recommondations?
Grenada /
Le Phare Bleu Marina
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First SM 2000 Hull Number
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Thanks Olivier. I am sure Chris is also thankful for the information.
Best,
Bill Rouse
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hello Bill and Chris,
hull # 167, 174, 202, and 210 have AUTOPROPS, first model with open stainless steel ball bearings. 146 and 156 have MAX-PROPS. 159 has a fixed prop. I think AMEL started with AUTOPROPS in 1996. However, at that time, some SMs still had a Maxprop (original), upon buyer's request (who didn't trust/like the cocker ears looking like strange prop!!). I'm sure that hull 224 C-drive can bear an AUTOPROP. I confirm the C-drive design has been modified in order to bear an AUTOPROP. The first installed AUTOPROPS had open stainless steel bearings (for the blades). The sealed bearings (steel balls) probably started in september 1999 with hull number around 275 (273 has it, 265 has open stainless steel bearings).
Have a good evening.
Olivier
Jean,
Thanks for the information. BTW, I got my information on the first SM 2000 from Amel.
I am absolutely positive that your hull 232 was not built in 2008. Did you accidentally make Satchimi 10 years younger? 😀
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Good sailing
Danny
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On 28 July 2017 at 00:05 "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@xs4all.nl [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Good run Danny,
I did 1800 NM in 10 days flat while crossing the ATL of which 2 days topped 200 nm. :-) Moving right along!!
Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera SM 007
> > On 27 Jul 2017, at 00:04, 'hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch mailto:hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch ' hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch mailto:hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
Hi Danny
amazing
3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day
and 3 day with no wind.
You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ?
tell us the story
greetings
Hanspeter
SM 16 , Tamango 2
Sardinia, Palau
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 26.07.2017 um 20:58 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz mailto:simms@xtra.co.nz [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >:
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Hi Pat,
I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
> > > > On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com mailto:sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us and discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away in his aft lazarett e . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A.
Thanks,
Pat
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From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz mailto:simms@xtra.co.nz [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat,
sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it.
Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through.
Regards
Danny
> > > > > On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com mailto:sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting.
Thanks,
Pat
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From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz mailto:simms@xtra.co.nz [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat,
That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away.
Regards
Danny
> > > > > > On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com mailto:sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne .
Thanks,< /span>
Pat SM#123
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From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz mailto:simms@xtra.co.nz [amelyachtowners] 0;amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat,
I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery. Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
> > > > > > > On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.
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Thanks,
Pat
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From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com mailto:mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Pat,
Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenadahttp://www.creampuff.us/
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com? ]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul y 25, 2017 10:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up.
< div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat
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From: john.biohead@gmail.com< /a> [amelyachtowners] < mailto:john.biohead@gmail.com amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >
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Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 9:29 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor.
Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts:
1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact. I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm. A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load, but when you try to start there is not enough current to do anything. ;
2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines. When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8, was that while starting or after the attempts are completed?
If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery. That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery. But you already tried a different battery. Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged?
I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a look at my s tarting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms.
Regards, John
John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston SC
---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com , <sailw32@...> wrote :
For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ;
Neither engine will st art.
Battery shows 12.6 V
Have 12.6 V at both solenoids
Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches
When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.
After that Voltage only measures 11. 8
After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly
Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing
I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv>
Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.
The glow plug lite does not even come on.
fuse is good on back side of Gen.
Solenoids don't click
Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.
It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines
My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?
Bot h engines would not share this switch , would they.
Do both engines share the same ground?
To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids
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Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.
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Refrigerator replacement AMEL54
Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
Dear Amelians, I'm considering to replace the refrigerator in the galley and am therefore looking for a model withe the same size, but hopefully has multiple drawers to store thinghs and is more energy efficient (not releasing all the cold air when open). Does anyone from the comminity have experience with other models / recommondations? Best regards, Alex Ramseyer "NO STRESS" AMEL54#15 Grenada / Le Phare Bleu Marina
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First SM 2000 Hull Number
Hello Bill and Chris,
hull # 167, 174, 202, and 210 have AUTOPROPS, first model with open stainless steel ball bearings. 146 and 156 have MAX-PROPS. 159 has a fixed prop. I think AMEL started with AUTOPROPS in 1996. However, at that time, some SMs still had a Maxprop (original), upon buyer's request (who didn't trust/like the cocker ears looking like strange prop!!). I'm sure that hull 224 C-drive can bear an AUTOPROP. I confirm the C-drive design has been modified in order to bear an AUTOPROP. The first installed AUTOPROPS had open stainless steel bearings (for the blades). The sealed bearings (steel balls) probably started in september 1999 with hull number around 275 (273 has it, 265 has open stainless steel bearings).
Have a good evening.
Olivier
On Thursday, July 27, 2017 2:43 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
Jean,
Thanks for the information. BTW, I got my information on the first SM 2000 from Amel.
I am absolutely positive that your hull 232 was not built in 2008. Did you accidentally make Satchimi 10 years younger? 😀 CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] shaft seal for Calpeda AC pump -FOUND
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
M75335A - Calpeda capacitor, 10mF
Maureen said that it is currently in stock - $25.00
If you have this Calpeda pump, you either need a mechanical seal and a capacitor, or you will need one.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 11:37 AM, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Eric and all,
I just spoke with Maureen at Coastal Climate Control.
She gave me this information: M3335H - Seal Kit for Calpeda pump B-CM20E (Climma part #M67270x) –currently in stock -$73.50
Best,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] shaft seal for Calpeda AC pump -FOUND
Eric and all,
I just spoke with Maureen at Coastal Climate Control.
She gave me this information: M3335H - Seal Kit for Calpeda pump B-CM20E (Climma part #M67270x) –currently in stock -$73.50
Best,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engines not starting
Peter Forbes
Me too and Carango on hard in Grenada.
On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:46, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Boat on the hard in Curacao and me in UK…
:-)
JPG
Jean-Pierre,
Great sail well done - where are you now? Peter Carango Amel 54#035
Hi everyone,
Good run Danny,
I did 1800 NM in 10 days flat while crossing the ATL of which 2 days topped 200 nm. :-) Moving right along!!
Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera SM 007
Hi Danny amazing 3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day and 3 day with no wind. You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ? tell us the story greetings Hanspeter SM 16 , Tamango 2 Sardinia, Palau
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Hi Pat, I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us and discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away in his aft lazarett
e . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A. Thanks, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat, sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it. Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through. Regards Danny On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting. Thanks, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat, That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away. Regards Danny On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne . Thanks,< /span> Pat SM#123 -----Original Message----- From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
0; amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat, I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail
and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery. Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.
<
/span>Thanks, Pat
-----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Pat, Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Grenada John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up. <
div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat
Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor. Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts: 1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact. I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm. A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load, but when you try to start there is not
enough current to do anything. ; 2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines. When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8, was that while starting or after the attempts are completed? If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery. That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery. But you already tried a different battery. Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged? I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a look at my s
tarting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms. For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ; Neither engine will st art. Have 12.6 V at both solenoids Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead. After that Voltage only measures 11. 8 After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing
I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv> Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what. The glow plug lite does not even come on. fuse is good on back side of Gen. Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch. It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ? Bot
h engines would not share this switch , would they. Do both engines share the same ground? To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids < /div> Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engines not starting
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Boat on the hard in Curacao and me in UK…
:-)
JPG
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On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:39, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Jean-Pierre,
Great sail well done - where are you now? Peter
Carango
Amel 54#035
Sent from my iPhone
On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:05, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@xs4all.nl <mailto:jgermain@xs4all.nl> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Good run Danny,
I did 1800 NM in 10 days flat while crossing the ATL of which 2 days topped 200 nm. :-) Moving right along!!
Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera SM 007
On 27 Jul 2017, at 00:04, 'hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch>' hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
Hi Danny
amazing
3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day
and 3 day with no wind.
You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ?
tell us the story
greetings
Hanspeter
SM 16 , Tamango 2
Sardinia, Palau
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 26.07.2017 um 20:58 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz <mailto:simms@xtra.co.nz> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>:
Hi Pat,
I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com <mailto:sailw32@aol.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us and discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away in his aft lazarett e . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A.
Thanks,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz <mailto:simms@xtra.co.nz> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat,
sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it.
Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through.
Regards
Danny
On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com <mailto:sailw32@aol.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting.
Thanks,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz <mailto:simms@xtra.co.nz> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat,
That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away.
Regards
Danny
On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com <mailto:sailw32@aol.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <x-msg://2/mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne .
Thanks,< /span>
Pat SM#123
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz <mailto:simms@xtra.co.nz> [amelyachtowners] 0;amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat,
I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery. Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com <mailto:sail w32@aol.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.
< /span>
Thanks,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com <mailto:mcerdos@gmail.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
<>Pat,
Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
www.creampuff.us <http://www.creampuff.us/>;
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Sent: Tuesday, Jul y 25, 2017 10:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up.
< div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat
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From: john.biohead@gmail.com< /a> [amelyachtowners] < <mailto:john.biohead@gmail.com>amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
To: amelyachtown ers <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 9:29 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor.
Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts:
1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact. I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm. A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load, but when you try to start there is not enough current to do anything. ;
2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines. When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8, was that while starting or after the attempts are completed?
If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery. That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery. But you already tried a different battery. Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged?
I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a look at my s tarting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms.
Regards, John
John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston SC
---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>, <sailw32@...> wrote :
For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ;
Neither engine will st art.
Battery shows 12.6 V
Have 12.6 V at both solenoids
Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches
When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.
After that Voltage only measures 11. 8
After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly
Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing
I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv>
Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.
The glow plug lite does not even come on.
fuse is good on back side of Gen.
Solenoids don't click
Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.
It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines
My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?
Bot h engines would not share this switch , would they.
Do both engines share the same ground?
To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids
< /div>
Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Peter Forbes
Jean-Pierre,
Great sail well done - where are you now? Peter Carango Amel 54#035
On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:05, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Good run Danny,
I did 1800 NM in 10 days flat while crossing the ATL of which 2 days topped 200 nm. :-) Moving right along!!
Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera SM 007
Hi Danny amazing 3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day and 3 day with no wind. You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ? tell us the story greetings Hanspeter SM 16 , Tamango 2 Sardinia, Palau
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Hi Pat, I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us and discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away in his aft lazarett
e . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A. Thanks, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat, sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it. Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through. Regards Danny On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting. Thanks, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat, That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away. Regards Danny On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne . Thanks,< /span> Pat SM#123 -----Original Message----- From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
0; amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Hi Pat, I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail
and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery. Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.
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/span>Thanks, Pat
-----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting
Pat, Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Grenada John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up. <
div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat
Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor. Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts: 1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact. I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm. A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load, but when you try to start there is not
enough current to do anything. ; 2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines. When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8, was that while starting or after the attempts are completed? If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery. That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery. But you already tried a different battery. Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged? I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a look at my s
tarting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms. For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ; Neither engine will st art. Have 12.6 V at both solenoids Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead. After that Voltage only measures 11. 8 After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing
I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv> Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what. The glow plug lite does not even come on. fuse is good on back side of Gen. Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch. It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ? Bot
h engines would not share this switch , would they. Do both engines share the same ground? To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids < /div> Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First SM 2000 Hull Number
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Jean,
Thanks for the information. BTW, I got my information on the first SM 2000 from Amel.
I am absolutely positive that your hull 232 was not built in 2008. Did you accidentally make Satchimi 10 years younger? 😀 CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Jul 27, 2017 03:25, "'Jean Boucharlat' jean.boucharlat@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Bill (Rouse), Just for the record : SM hull N° 232, delivered in late July 2008, was in fact the first SM 2000, even though it did not get the label on its rubbing strake. And she was fitted with an Autoprop. I know that because I was the original owner, she was then named Satchimi and now Lady Anila, and this SM was built surreptitiously in the yard to avoid prying eyes while the “standard” SM’s were still being marketed. She is the boat where Henri Amel threw a tantrum when he discovered a number of improvements he had been consulted about. So much so that, to put his mark on the new model, he came back the following day and ordered that all further model would have the, in my opinion infamous, blue floor boards! Just a piece of Amel trivia. All the best to all, Jean Boucharlat Formerly SM 232 [Attachment(s) from Bill & Judy Rouse included below] Chris, Are you absolutely sure that hull 224 will an AutoProp? As you may know the C-Drive case was modified during the Super Maramu's production to accommodate an AutoProp . Prior to that modification Amel offered MaxProp . I know that Hull #240 was the first Millennium, or Super Maramu 2000, and I believe that all of the SM2ks had AutoProps, but I am not sure about 224. ou will compare the attached photo to your C-Drive, you may be able to figure it out.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] shaft seal for Calpeda AC puimp
Good morning Eric, Back in 2013 when I had my Calpeda pump overhauled. Coastal Climate told me they had only a few rebuild kit left, so I bought 4. The kits come with instruction on how to do the work. Here is the link to the instruction: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/images/PDF/calpeda_pump_shaft_seal_replacement.pdfUnfortunately that won’t tell me the shaft size. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Port de Plaisance de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 7/26/17, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] shaft seal for Calpeda AC puimp
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 4:58 PM
Hi,I
need to buy a spare shaft seal on the Calpeda pump that is
for my AC units.I
am repairing another pump and found a source for Metric
shaft seals , I thought I would, at the same time, buy a
spare for the Calpeda AC pump.Can
someone email me a photo and measurements of the seal and
the seat?There seems to be many configurations of
this seat and 4 different seat materials such as graphite ,
ceramic and a few others.I
can then order it at the same time. Fair Winds EricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu
#376 Kimberlite@optonline.net._,___
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