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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Greasing the Bamar 1.01 Furler

Porter McRoberts
 

Thanks Dean. I used emarine solar here in Fort Lauderdale. Truly plug and play. They told me what to do. I did it and voila. 5kwh per day. 



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On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:29 AM, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Porter and Bill,

Will start with the grease packing and take it from there.
We've owned the boat for 3 weeks, already sailed 1000 miles and put 130 hours on the motor.
Jan and I absolutely love the boat. We just have a few issues to resolve with things like LED lights, aircon pump, the furler and installing a new solar system. 

Porter, I noticed you installed an Emek arch with solar, which looks great.  We already have Simpson Lawrence davits, so we're looking for a walk-under arch solution which will fit on top of the davits. I have 720W of panels, and plan to use the Victron 150/35 charge controller.  Where did you locate your controller?

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
AMEL 54 #154
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Don't pole out the Genaker?

eric freedman
 

Peter,

A gennaker is a free flying sail like a spinnaker without a pole.

It is doused with a sock. We get amazing speeds from this huge sail. I had a bowsprit fabricated which makes this sail perform even better and is easier to handle.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 1:19 PM
To: Barry Connor connor_barry@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Don't pole out the Genaker?

 

 

Sorry for Yankee read Code Zero - your Genakker is probably the same sail by the different name.

 

peter

On 27 Aug 2017, at 14:06, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Peter

 

It may well be the same sail that I've been calling a Genaker with a built-in furler (and a luff line). We did tear it too last week. 

 

You didn't mention the wind angle, but presumably it's pretty dead downwind to have the genoa poled out to winward. Didn't you feel a need to also pole out the Code zero? I understand you said you have only one pole, but did you wish you had two? 

 

We do have two poles, and I'm still confused about whether it's ok to use on the Genaker/Cruising Code Zero (as the combination of gear sold by Amel for that boat suggests) or not (as the documentation reads). 

 

Best,

 

Thomas 



Garulfo 

Amel 54 #122

Back from Corsica

Hyeres, France

 

 

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 10:32, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Well both sails were on Carango when I bought her from Rudi Peroni. The Yankee is a slightly high cut genoa and in this rig set up we completely unfurl it to the pole. The code zero has its own luff line and a furler with an everlasting furling rope on a drum at the foot. It can only be fully deployed or fully rolled up. It is a great sail and after destroying it we are having a replacement made by Ullman sails inCape Town - they ship it to St Maarten where they have a small loft.

 

Peter

 

 


On 26 Aug 2017, at 07:25, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Thanks Peter for your answers 

 

For my understanding ,

 

1. Is your Yankee a specific sail or simply the genoa (ie foresail) furled in appropriately for the conditions? I presume the latter. 

 

2. Is your Code Zero the 100m^2 Genaker with 'built-in furling' (for my lack of a better word) Amel offered as an option on the 54, or a specific sail?

 

3. What wind angles would you keep that setup for?

 

Cheers 

 

Garulfo 

Amel 54 #122

Back from Corsica

Hyeres, France

 

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 at 21:59, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Garulfo,

 

We sailed from Cape Town to Salvador Brazil flying a poled out Yankee on the just windward side and the code Zero on the just downwind side ( a huge amount of sail) and Mizzen of course with preventer downwind side and our 54 sailed really fast and comfortably in up to 22kts true.

 

All went well until we were hit by a squall of 27 kits and the code Zero blew out but no other damage.

 

This is definitely a rig I will use again. We only have the one Amel 54 standard pole.

Peter Forbes

00447836 209730

 

 


On 25 Aug 2017, at 18:22, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi all,

 

I was going through the Amel documentation for the 54 optional items and, regarding the gennaker with built-in furler, it reads "Don't pole out this sail" and "Don't use the gennaker at the same time as the genoa". That's my translation of the french document 'Amel 54_Equipement_optionel_V1.4', section 7-3-7.  

 

What do you make of that advice? 

 

I was definitely planning to use the double pole setup with gennaker and genoa for downwind sailing. 

 

Thanks for any advice and experience,

 

Fair winds 

 

Thomas

 

Garulfo 

Amel 54 #122

Back from Corsica

Hyeres, France

 

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GARULFO

Amel 54 #122

Corsica, France

 

 

 

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GARULFO

Amel 54 #122

Corsica, France

 

 

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Amel 54 #122

Corsica, France

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

eric freedman
 

Paul.,

Replacing the bearings on the Autoprop is easy but time consuming.

However you are a short drive from AB marine in Newport. They are the Autoprop dealers and are very helpful. I am sure they could rebuild your prop in a few days. Otherwise they can sell you the parts and rent you the tools.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 11:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

 

 

Ken

 

When you service the propeller, exactly what is done? Is it new bearings? Can one fix that one self or do I need to send it away? We have clean bottom and newly Velox on the propeller, and Greased the propeller but it  only reach 2600 rev on our TMD 22. Before we reached 2800, I thought it might be the turbo being slow and need cleaning again, or the injectors. We hade the turbo serviced 1000 h ago, do not know how often one should service it, we try to now and then runthe engine hard for 20 to 30 minutes to clean out some carbon dust.

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Bristol RI
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maitenance

greatketch@...
 


For most things, plain old vinegar is a good solution. It's cheap, and the only thing you need to keep it away from is nylon.

 For cleaning the bilge sump, and other places where the problem is grease, a little bit of Dawn dish soap, hot water, a brush and some elbow grease is the best solution.  It won't hurt anything, and is quite effective.

On our boat, those are the two cleaning products that get used 90% of the time. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass

---In amelyachtowners@..., <bazgrayson@...> wrote :

Hi All, so Bleach is bad. What is the best alternative to use to clean the showers and heads and anything else that goes into the bilge or will touch copper tubes?
Alan Grayson
Not an owner yet ( but hopefully soon) if everyone stops buying all the inventory
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maitenance

Mark Erdos
 

Bill K,

 

I stand by my usage of bleach. The only copper in the bilge area is the copper grounding (which I easily replaced shortly after purchasing). While I agree bleach is a corrosive agent to copper, I do not think the 2 cups of bleach used every two or three months diluted with about 3 gallons of water and then flushed with fresh water is going to destroy my Amel. I see no evidence of corrosion to my copper grounding (which I inspect during each cleaning) and have used bleach for 5 years to clean the bilge.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maitenance

 

 

I know bleach (sodium hypochlorite) is a great cleaning agent, but in the concentrations being talked about it is actually quite corrosive to copper.  It would be best to avoid its frequent use in the sump if you want you copper grounding strap to last.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160m Harmonie

Boston, Mass
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

Sorry, my assumption was that you had an AutoProp. Please disregard my earlier posting. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Aug 27, 2017 10:53 AM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Pat,

I believe that you need to eliminate any sort of propeller fouling before doing anything else because it is the most common issue followed with the AutoProp needing a bearing kit. Next will be turbo and fuel system. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Aug 27, 2017 10:17 AM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Ken

When you service the propeller, exactly what is done? Is it new bearings? Can one fix that one self or do I need to send it away? We have clean bottom and newly Velox on the propeller, and Greased the propeller but it  only reach 2600 rev on our TMD 22. Before we reached 2800, I thought it might be the turbo being slow and need cleaning again, or the injectors. We hade the turbo serviced 1000 h ago, do not know how often one should service it, we try to now and then runthe engine hard for 20 to 30 minutes to clean out some carbon dust.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Bristol RI
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Don't pole out the Genaker?

Peter Forbes
 

Sorry for Yankee read Code Zero - your Genakker is probably the same sail by the different name.

peter

On 27 Aug 2017, at 14:06, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks Peter

It may well be the same sail that I've been calling a Genaker with a built-in furler (and a luff line). We did tear it too last week. 

You didn't mention the wind angle, but presumably it's pretty dead downwind to have the genoa poled out to winward. Didn't you feel a need to also pole out the Code zero? I understand you said you have only one pole, but did you wish you had two? 

We do have two poles, and I'm still confused about whether it's ok to use on the Genaker/Cruising Code Zero (as the combination of gear sold by Amel for that boat suggests) or not (as the documentation reads). 

Best,

Thomas 

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France


On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 10:32, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Well both sails were on Carango when I bought her from Rudi Peroni. The Yankee is a slightly high cut genoa and in this rig set up we completely unfurl it to the pole. The code zero has its own luff line and a furler with an everlasting furling rope on a drum at the foot. It can only be fully deployed or fully rolled up. It is a great sail and after destroying it we are having a replacement made by Ullman sails inCape Town - they ship it to St Maarten where they have a small loft.

Peter



On 26 Aug 2017, at 07:25, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Thanks Peter for your answers 

For my understanding ,

1. Is your Yankee a specific sail or simply the genoa (ie foresail) furled in appropriately for the conditions? I presume the latter. 

2. Is your Code Zero the 100m^2 Genaker with 'built-in furling' (for my lack of a better word) Amel offered as an option on the 54, or a specific sail?

3. What wind angles would you keep that setup for?

Cheers 

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 at 21:59, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Garulfo,

We sailed from Cape Town to Salvador Brazil flying a poled out Yankee on the just windward side and the code Zero on the just downwind side ( a huge amount of sail) and Mizzen of course with preventer downwind side and our 54 sailed really fast and comfortably in up to 22kts true.

All went well until we were hit by a squall of 27 kits and the code Zero blew out but no other damage.

This is definitely a rig I will use again. We only have the one Amel 54 standard pole.

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730



On 25 Aug 2017, at 18:22, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

I was going through the Amel documentation for the 54 optional items and, regarding the gennaker with built-in furler, it reads "Don't pole out this sail" and "Don't use the gennaker at the same time as the genoa". That's my translation of the french document 'Amel 54_Equipement_optionel_V1.4', section 7-3-7.  

What do you make of that advice? 

I was definitely planning to use the double pole setup with gennaker and genoa for downwind sailing. 

Thanks for any advice and experience,

Fair winds 

Thomas

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France

-- 
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France



-- 
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France


-- 
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Don't pole out the Genaker?

Peter Forbes
 

Thomas,

yes I would have liked two poles but didn’t have that - as for the angle this kit works only from about 165P to 175S or vice versa with the pole on the windward side but if you had 2 poles then I guess 165 - 165.

And Yes my yankee could easily be your genakker - I think mine is Amel original.

Peter

On 27 Aug 2017, at 14:06, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks Peter

It may well be the same sail that I've been calling a Genaker with a built-in furler (and a luff line). We did tear it too last week. 

You didn't mention the wind angle, but presumably it's pretty dead downwind to have the genoa poled out to winward. Didn't you feel a need to also pole out the Code zero? I understand you said you have only one pole, but did you wish you had two? 

We do have two poles, and I'm still confused about whether it's ok to use on the Genaker/Cruising Code Zero (as the combination of gear sold by Amel for that boat suggests) or not (as the documentation reads). 

Best,

Thomas 

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France


On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 10:32, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Well both sails were on Carango when I bought her from Rudi Peroni. The Yankee is a slightly high cut genoa and in this rig set up we completely unfurl it to the pole. The code zero has its own luff line and a furler with an everlasting furling rope on a drum at the foot. It can only be fully deployed or fully rolled up. It is a great sail and after destroying it we are having a replacement made by Ullman sails inCape Town - they ship it to St Maarten where they have a small loft.

Peter



On 26 Aug 2017, at 07:25, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Thanks Peter for your answers 

For my understanding ,

1. Is your Yankee a specific sail or simply the genoa (ie foresail) furled in appropriately for the conditions? I presume the latter. 

2. Is your Code Zero the 100m^2 Genaker with 'built-in furling' (for my lack of a better word) Amel offered as an option on the 54, or a specific sail?

3. What wind angles would you keep that setup for?

Cheers 

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 at 21:59, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Garulfo,

We sailed from Cape Town to Salvador Brazil flying a poled out Yankee on the just windward side and the code Zero on the just downwind side ( a huge amount of sail) and Mizzen of course with preventer downwind side and our 54 sailed really fast and comfortably in up to 22kts true.

All went well until we were hit by a squall of 27 kits and the code Zero blew out but no other damage.

This is definitely a rig I will use again. We only have the one Amel 54 standard pole.

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730



On 25 Aug 2017, at 18:22, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

I was going through the Amel documentation for the 54 optional items and, regarding the gennaker with built-in furler, it reads "Don't pole out this sail" and "Don't use the gennaker at the same time as the genoa". That's my translation of the french document 'Amel 54_Equipement_optionel_V1.4', section 7-3-7.  

What do you make of that advice? 

I was definitely planning to use the double pole setup with gennaker and genoa for downwind sailing. 

Thanks for any advice and experience,

Fair winds 

Thomas

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France

-- 
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France



-- 
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France


-- 
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Greasing the Bamar 1.01 Furler

Peter Forbes
 

Dean,

I have a spare Bamar furler motor which is for sale through EMEK Marin in Turkey - If that is of interest? I took both mine off and replaced them with Reckmann before my circumnavigation.

Peter Forbes
Amel 54 #035
Carango

On 27 Aug 2017, at 10:43, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Dean,

I have no direct knowledge about most of the following. All of my knowledge comes from reviewing Bamar manuals and  working with the Bamar furler  with several Amel School clients, but I will try to help you...so here goes... 

If you have the Bamar furler that came with your 54, it is belt-driven rather than their new and improved gear driven model.  The 1.01 & 1.02 and the 2.01& 2.02 are belt driven models. 

Amel and Bamar had some serious disagreements over these belt driven models, that resulted in the two companies ceasing to do business. Amel switched to Reckmann which makes a  fine gear-driven furler. Other owners have been referred by Amel to Bamar. Bamar updated their furler assortment offering gear-driven models instead of belt-driven. At that time Bamar wrote an open letter to 54 owners offering a reduced price to upgrade to their new gear driven model. If you are not aware of this, I can send you a copy. 

See if you can open both Port and Stbd sides of the furler to locate where the noise is coming from. It could be a number of things including the 4 brushes inside the motor. If you think it may be brushes inside the motor, write me for a procedure to open the motor. 

I hope this helps you. How long have you owned #154?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

    


On Aug 27, 2017 3:07 AM, "trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,

Our Bamar 1.01 staysail furling motor is very noisy.

I've read previous threads, and one thing which was suggested was to re-grease the gearing mechanism.

This part of the furler is not detailed in my manual. 

Can someone please advise if it is the nameplate (aft facing) which needs to be removed in order to access the gearing?

I can undo the four screws, but I'm not sure exactly how to remove the plate which is still quite firm.

Just thought I'd check before taking to it with a screwdriver!

Many thanks

Dean

SY Stella

Amel 54 #154
Re: rpm, AutoProp maintenance, AutoProp for sale.

karkauai
 

Hi Paul,
I haven't actually done it myself.  When Bruntons said they couldn't repitch my AutoProp (They've changed the design since mine), I bought a MaxProp.  It's not as persnickety about fouling or maintenance affecting performance.

I was convinced (due to my lack of knowledge, and agreement by mechanics who didn't understand AutoProps either) that the prop was OK.  I didn't take the advice of the knowledgeable people here and I'm virtually certain that it cost me a bundle.

You can find some posts about it if you search the conversations for AutoProp, they are probably 5-10 years back.  My understanding is that you can order a rebuild kit and do it yourself.

Let us know what you find.

As an aside, I still have that AutoProp and will sell it at a reasonable price if someone wants it.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Greasing the Bamar 1.01 Furler

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Dean;

We had the same issue with both our 1.02 bamar furlers. We had both of them removed, all bearings, seals and belts replaced.

The access to the gears is the aft facing panel with the four screws. When you remove the screws, there will still be some sealant that holds the plate in place. You will have to use an alien wrench inserted from the small side into the screw holes to get some leverage and pull the plate out. DON'T USE A SCREW DEIVER as this will deform the aluminum plate and affect the seal. 

Once you have removed the front panel, if you see any evidence of water inside then the Furler most likely needs to be rebuilt.if not then clean the existing grease and pack the gears with new.

The belt access is from the starboard side of the Furler. Once you remove the screws use a rubber hammer to work the cover loose.

You just have to be very careful not to  furl under load. You have to release the sheets and unload them so the head sail luffs a bit before furling. Make sure you are releasing the sheet at the same pace as furling. 

The main issue, other than placing excessive load, is the water penetration from the top seal. I'm looking for a good seal lubricant to try and extend the life of the seal and prevent the water penetration.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:11 AM, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,

Our Bamar 1.01 staysail furling motor is very noisy.

I've read previous threads, and one thing which was suggested was to re-grease the gearing mechanism.

This part of the furler is not detailed in my manual. 

Can someone please advise if it is the nameplate (aft facing) which needs to be removed in order to access the gearing?

I can undo the four screws, but I'm not sure exactly how to remove the plate which is still quite firm.

Just thought I'd check before taking to it with a screwdriver!

Many thanks

Dean

SY Stella

Amel 54 #154
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent , I have the Volvo 78 hp. and a fixed prop. I have been looking to buy a used regulator , no luck so far. Mine is about forty years old , draws hard and the pressure guage is cloudy , unreadable. When I find one I will call you about the hooka system . A single tank doesn't last too long.
Pat 
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Aug 27, 2017 10:22 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

 
Hi Pat.

You may remember that I spent several $K trying to sort out the same problem right after I bought Kristy.  The blades on my Auto Prop turned freely, so I convinced myself that it was OK.  I wish I'd have serviced it early in the process, and believe it would have saved me a lot of time and money.

 Do you have the 78HPVolvo TMD?  No smoke?
I dove on my prop the other day in StMichaels and after 6 weeks the prop had 1/2inch of algae growing on the blades.

Do yo have an AutoProp?  If it hasn't been serviced in a while, that's the first thing I would do after cleaning it up.

I bought a 100psi oil-less compressor a t Harbor Freight, a 50ft hose, and a used 2nd stage regulator for under $150...it works a treat as a hookah system for cleaning the bottom, unfouling the prop, changing zincs, and could even allow me to i foul an anchor in 20 ft of water.  It's a 110AC pump that I run with my inverter.

Let me know if you need some help.

Kent
S/V Kristy SM243
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

I believe that you need to eliminate any sort of propeller fouling before doing anything else because it is the most common issue followed with the AutoProp needing a bearing kit. Next will be turbo and fuel system. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Aug 27, 2017 10:17 AM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ken

When you service the propeller, exactly what is done? Is it new bearings? Can one fix that one self or do I need to send it away? We have clean bottom and newly Velox on the propeller, and Greased the propeller but it  only reach 2600 rev on our TMD 22. Before we reached 2800, I thought it might be the turbo being slow and need cleaning again, or the injectors. We hade the turbo serviced 1000 h ago, do not know how often one should service it, we try to now and then runthe engine hard for 20 to 30 minutes to clean out some carbon dust.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Bristol RI
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Don't pole out the Genaker?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thomas,

I think that we all have to understand how Amel will answer general and non-specific questions like, "...is it OK to fly a code zero on a pole." I know what my answer would be because if I said yes, I would foolishly accept serious liability with zero reward. 

I believe that it is a decision that you'll need to make. I would urge you to ask the question to owners so that you get information to make your decision and recognize that non-Amel specified sails can be very different in terms of size, cut, and construction. And that wind angle and speed, along with other concurrent set sails play an important part of your decision. 

I am sure that you realize that there are zero answers to your original question. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Aug 27, 2017 9:52 AM, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Peter

It may well be the same sail that I've been calling a Genaker with a built-in furler (and a luff line). We did tear it too last week. 

You didn't mention the wind angle, but presumably it's pretty dead downwind to have the genoa poled out to winward. Didn't you feel a need to also pole out the Code zero? I understand you said you have only one pole, but did you wish you had two? 

We do have two poles, and I'm still confused about whether it's ok to use on the Genaker/Cruising Code Zero (as the combination of gear sold by Amel for that boat suggests) or not (as the documentation reads). 

Best,

Thomas 

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France


On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 10:32, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Well both sails were on Carango when I bought her from Rudi Peroni. The Yankee is a slightly high cut genoa and in this rig set up we completely unfurl it to the pole. The code zero has its own luff line and a furler with an everlasting furling rope on a drum at the foot. It can only be fully deployed or fully rolled up. It is a great sail and after destroying it we are having a replacement made by Ullman sails inCape Town - they ship it to St Maarten where they have a small loft.

Peter


On 26 Aug 2017, at 07:25, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


Thanks Peter for your answers 

For my understanding ,

1. Is your Yankee a specific sail or simply the genoa (ie foresail) furled in appropriately for the conditions? I presume the latter. 

2. Is your Code Zero the 100m^2 Genaker with 'built-in furling' (for my lack of a better word) Amel offered as an option on the 54, or a specific sail?

3. What wind angles would you keep that setup for?

Cheers 

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 at 21:59, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Garulfo,

We sailed from Cape Town to Salvador Brazil flying a poled out Yankee on the just windward side and the code Zero on the just downwind side ( a huge amount of sail) and Mizzen of course with preventer downwind side and our 54 sailed really fast and comfortably in up to 22kts true.

All went well until we were hit by a squall of 27 kits and the code Zero blew out but no other damage.

This is definitely a rig I will use again. We only have the one Amel 54 standard pole.

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730


On 25 Aug 2017, at 18:22, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi all,

I was going through the Amel documentation for the 54 optional items and, regarding the gennaker with built-in furler, it reads "Don't pole out this sail" and "Don't use the gennaker at the same time as the genoa". That's my translation of the french document 'Amel 54_Equipement_optionel_V1.4', section 7-3-7.  

What do you make of that advice? 

I was definitely planning to use the double pole setup with gennaker and genoa for downwind sailing. 

Thanks for any advice and experience,

Fair winds 

Thomas

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France

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Amel 54 #122
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Amel 54 #122
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Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

jhe1313@...
 

Gavin, I own a 55 and have gone upwind in 35 kn plus In the Strait of Gibraltar. We had the staysail and a heavily reefed main up. The boat was going 6.5 kn at 30 to 35 apparent wind angle and was generally behaving great. When the wind was going above 35, kn we furled a bit of the staysail. The curler worked fine. But to tack, you need to furl the staysail. Otherwise, you will shred the staysail sheets on the fittings for the pole. You will need the runners on hard, using the small cockpit winches as per the Amel instructions. Hope that helps. Cheers Joerg
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maitenance

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alan, 

I stand by the use of bleach as I stated earlier which was a very diluted solution for a limited time and exposure only to the bilge and copper bonding strap. I think you need the bleach to kill the bad stuff in there. The only slight risk issue is the copper bonding strap which you will likely need to replace every 5-8 y,ears, anyway. So, maybe my suggestion will cause you to replace that copper X months earlier. 

Almost every decision that you will make requires weighing and mitigating risks. For instance, if you don't run your engine, or set your sails, they may never need replacing. Or, if you don't run your engine and keep your sails flogging, you'll hurt your sails and lower engine hours.   

Does this make sense?  


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Aug 27, 2017 9:05 AM, "bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All, so Bleach is bad. What is the best alternative to use to clean the showers and heads and anything else that goes into the bilge or will touch copper tubes?

Alan Grayson
Not an owner yet ( but hopefully soon) if everyone stops buying all the inventory
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Paul Osterberg
 

Ken

When you service the propeller, exactly what is done? Is it new bearings? Can one fix that one self or do I need to send it away? We have clean bottom and newly Velox on the propeller, and Greased the propeller but it  only reach 2600 rev on our TMD 22. Before we reached 2800, I thought it might be the turbo being slow and need cleaning again, or the injectors. We hade the turbo serviced 1000 h ago, do not know how often one should service it, we try to now and then runthe engine hard for 20 to 30 minutes to clean out some carbon dust.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Bristol RI
Re: Greasing the Bamar 1.01 Furler

Dean Gillies
 

Thanks Porter and Bill,
Will start with the grease packing and take it from there.
We've owned the boat for 3 weeks, already sailed 1000 miles and put 130 hours on the motor.
Jan and I absolutely love the boat. We just have a few issues to resolve with things like LED lights, aircon pump, the furler and installing a new solar system. 

Porter, I noticed you installed an Emek arch with solar, which looks great.  We already have Simpson Lawrence davits, so we're looking for a walk-under arch solution which will fit on top of the davits. I have 720W of panels, and plan to use the Victron 150/35 charge controller.  Where did you locate your controller?

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
AMEL 54 #154
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

karkauai
 

Brenton's, the US AutoProp people told me that mine was pitched for a 100 HP Yanmar, not my 78HP Volvo.  Amel said they've used the same prop for both engines without problems.

Others with this problem have serviced the prop and solved the problem.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

karkauai
 

Hi Pat.

You may remember that I spent several $K trying to sort out the same problem right after I bought Kristy.  The blades on my Auto Prop turned freely, so I convinced myself that it was OK.  I wish I'd have serviced it early in the process, and believe it would have saved me a lot of time and money.

 Do you have the 78HPVolvo TMD?  No smoke?
I dove on my prop the other day in StMichaels and after 6 weeks the prop had 1/2inch of algae growing on the blades.

Do yo have an AutoProp?  If it hasn't been serviced in a while, that's the first thing I would do after cleaning it up.

I bought a 100psi oil-less compressor at Harbor Freight, a 50ft hose, and a used 2nd stage regulator for under $150...it works a treat as a hookah system for cleaning the bottom, unfouling the prop, changing zincs, and could even allow me to i foul an anchor in 20 ft of water.  It's a 110AC pump that I run with my inverter.

Let me know if you need some help.

Kent
S/V Kristy SM243
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