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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

Alan Leslie
 

Hello Peter,

I just uploaded to the Files section..Artimon Remote ... This file was in the files section some years ago, but disappeared...
It shows a line tender and blocks mounted on the mizzen sheet track to control the traveler position from the cockpit.
It is my intention to do the same.
Trust this helps you
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

Peter Buckley
 

Hi Bill,

That is great advice. Can you post a few images please of the setup you have for the traveller. I am guilty of leaving the traveller amidships.

Going to the stern always did seem time consuming during a change in direction.


Thanks

Peter
Gradiva Mango #70
Soon to be heading to Queensland……
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Peter Buckley

83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880

Phone: 0428 427 786

Email: carhartt@...


From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 26 May 2017 01:14:34 +0000
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

 

To call it a "vang" is giving it a name probably more than it deserves. It is just a line from the mast to a shackle on the bottom of the boom about 1/3 of the way back.  The same shackle the preventer connects to.


The biggest and best change I have made to my boat was to add control lines and a line tender so I can control the mizzen traveler from the cockpit. So now my gybe procedure is like this....

Sheet in mizzen so the boom is more or less over the traveler car.
Move traveler to windward side.
Turn boat.
Ease the sheet.

All done from the cockpit.

Not only does it make gybing a piece of cake, I can easily and safely balance and fine tune the boat because I do not have to go out on the aft deck to move the traveler around.  For those of us who learned to sail on small boat, traveler adjustments are something you do all the time.  Having a traveler I had to physically muscle around out on the aft deck seemed to really be counter to everything that the Amel rig was about.

I have seen several Amel sailors who don't do anything with their travelers, just leave them amidships and do all sail trim with the sheets.  They are missing a big chunk of the boat's performance potential.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Nanny Cay, Tortola, BVI


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi  Bill,

The mizzen unfurlling exercise looks like a mad knife thrower, hurling knives at an imaginary target !

You have a vang on your mizzen  boom ? Do you have a pic of it ?

I ha ve thought about putting one on, not because of furling issues, but to keep the boom down when gybing so it doesn't ride up the mizzen backstays. Only issue is that I store my dink upside down on the aft cabin roof when passage making.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

greatketch@...
 

To call it a "vang" is giving it a name probably more than it deserves. It is just a line from the mast to a shackle on the bottom of the boom about 1/3 of the way back.  The same shackle the preventer connects to.

The biggest and best change I have made to my boat was to add control lines and a line tender so I can control the mizzen traveler from the cockpit. So now my gybe procedure is like this....

Sheet in mizzen so the boom is more or less over the traveler car.
Move traveler to windward side.
Turn boat.
Ease the sheet.

All done from the cockpit.

Not only does it make gybing a piece of cake, I can easily and safely balance and fine tune the boat because I do not have to go out on the aft deck to move the traveler around.  For those of us who learned to sail on small boat, traveler adjustments are something you do all the time.  Having a traveler I had to physically muscle around out on the aft deck seemed to really be counter to everything that the Amel rig was about.

I have seen several Amel sailors who don't do anything with their travelers, just leave them amidships and do all sail trim with the sheets.  They are missing a big chunk of the boat's performance potential.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Nanny Cay, Tortola, BVI


---In amelyachtowners@..., <divanz620@...> wrote :

Hi  Bill,

The mizzen unfurlling exercise looks like a mad knife thrower, hurling knives at an imaginary target !

You have a vang on your mizzen  boom ? Do you have a pic of it ?

I have thought about putting one on, not because of furling issues, but to keep the boom down when gybing so it doesn't ride up the mizzen backstays. Only issue is that I store my dink upside down on the aft cabin roof when passage making.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Quiz: Mystery boat lines

Stephen Davis
 

Ok, we officially owe both Olivier and Alex a beer! 

I bet that's exactly what they are, another clever Amel thing. I suspect when the prior owner re-rigged, he  didn't put the original lines back up with the new rigging, and these are the 25-year-old original lines we found buried in the depths of a cabinet.

After going outside and looking up, we do have some sort of lines up there to support the blocks through which the downwind poles' topping lifts are run. But, looking up from below them, I can't exactly tell how those lines are attached to the shrouds above the spreaders. Knowing they've been replaced, though, we'll put it on our "to do" list to check out next time Steve goes up the mast.

Thanks to both Olivier and Alex, and we'll save the beers until our paths cross.

Liz and Steve Davis
S/V Aloha, SM 72
Currently in Aruba

On May 24, 2017, at 14:40, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Liz and Steve,

these lines were supposed to be rigged at the end of the first spreaders on main mast. They were supporting a pulley that drives and supports the poles topping lifts.
Next question is : How can you rigg the topping lift now?
If you have replaced your standing rigging with an ACMO one, you probably got top shrouds or intermediate shrouds with a small swaged part that is supposed to support the pulleys that bear the topping lifts.

The big loop was set around the shroud and above the spreader, the small loop was carrying the pulley's shackle.
A lot of SM still have their pole's topping lifts supported this way.

Look up and tell me what you see.
Too bad for the beer, I will be soon in Martinique but will not go further to Aruba.

Olivier.


On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:14 PM, "flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Does anyone know what these two identical lines in the photo linked below are used for?

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/78227788

Hints:

1) They're each approx 5 feet long.
2) The loop on one end is larger than the loop on the other end.
3) The larger of the two loops on each line is stained slightly brick-ish or orange-pink.
4) They're from our 1992-vintage SM.

Winner gets appreciation, satisfaction in the knowledge that they did a good deed, and a cold beer next time they're anchored near Aloha.

Liz and Steve Davis
S/V Aloha, SM72
Currently in Aruba.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

Alan Leslie
 

Hi  Bill,

The mizzen unfurlling exercise looks like a mad knife thrower, hurling knives at an imaginary target !

You have a vang on your mizzen  boom ? Do you have a pic of it ?

I have thought about putting one on, not because of furling issues, but to keep the boom down when gybing so it doesn't ride up the mizzen backstays. Only issue is that I store my dink upside down on the aft cabin roof when passage making.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

greatketch@...
 

Yes!  Using two 10" winch handles to unfurl the mizzen equals occasionally smashed fingers, at least with my level of coordination!

I am not sure how common it is, or if it was standard factory rigging, but our boat has "vangs" to control the height of the booms when furling.  Just lengths of no-adjustable three strand line from the base of the mast to a shackle on the boom.  They are of a length that they allow the boom to rise as high as you would ever need for sail control, but no higher.  

They mean that I can just totally release the sheet when using the furler.  The boom is totally free to move horizontally, but can not rise too high to cause difficulty with the rolling or unrolling sail.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Nanny Cay, Tortola, BVI




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Willem,

When your SM was new, it came with three winch handles. One of them was short. Use the short one on the mizzen furler and a long one on the outhaul. You will get accustomed to this. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





   

On May 25, 2017 14:19, "'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I appreciated the help that was offered about my small problem. Today I managed to get all of the mizzen out and again inside the small mast and practised the right procedure a few times. But pulling alone to get the sail out does not work. I need to do it with two winch handles, but keeping the boom low and tensioning the outhaul at the same pace as bits of sail coming out will do the trick. Thanks a lot!

Willem Kroes
SM 2000 # 351 Kavanga

Op 25 mei 2017 1:06 a.m. schreef "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:
 

I agree, the same applies when furling. Allowing the boom to rise when furling will lead to a jam up.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 25 May 2017 at 10:57 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Another suggestion...


With in mast furlers it is common to have the upper part of the sail fail to unroll if the boom is allowed to rise too high when unfurling.

If you do not have a vang, try keeping just a little bit of tension on mizzen sheet to keep the boom down just a bit.  I'll bet that gets your sail all the way out.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Nanny Cay, BVI


 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

Willem Kroes
 

I appreciated the help that was offered about my small problem. Today I managed to get all of the mizzen out and again inside the small mast and practised the right procedure a few times. But pulling alone to get the sail out does not work. I need to do it with two winch handles, but keeping the boom low and tensioning the outhaul at the same pace as bits of sail coming out will do the trick. Thanks a lot!

Willem Kroes
SM 2000 # 351 Kavanga

Op 25 mei 2017 1:06 a.m. schreef "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I agree, the same applies when furling. Allowing the boom to rise when furling will lead to a jam up.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 25 May 2017 at 10:57 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Another suggestion...


With in mast furlers it is common to have the upper part of the sail fail to unroll if the boom is allowed to rise too high when unfurling.

If you do not have a vang, try keeping just a little bit of tension on mizzen sheet to keep the boom down just a bit.  I'll bet that gets your sail all the way out.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Nanny Cay, BVI


 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC abd Low pressure pump numbers

greatketch@...
 

Just as an option, if people are in a place they can not easily source the March pumps, here is the nameplate from the magnetic drive pumps  we use on Harmonie.  Our boat is an older model, so we have two, one for each AC unit.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Washing machine replacement on AMEL54

Porter McRoberts
 

I am literally in the same boat!  I would love to know how to get a replacement machine. 
Porter McRoberts. 

Please excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On May 25, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Alex,
What's the problem with your washer? Mine wasn't working when I bought 2 years ago, it was the pump - replaced by myself, cost £30. Did it from the front, didn't have to take out the washer. Would have been A lot of work if I had to get it out.
Bosch in Marseille wanted over €300 to fix it.
Regards

Barry & Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
AMEL 54.  # 17


On May 25, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Amelians,
The washing machine on my AMEL54 needs to be replaced. The Bosch model used on my boat, doesn't exist anymore and I couldn't find a new machine with the exact same dimensions. Are there brands / models out there that you recommend?
Fair winds,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NOSTRESS
currently @ Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Washing machine replacement on AMEL54

Barry Connor
 

Hi Alex,
What's the problem with your washer? Mine wasn't working when I bought 2 years ago, it was the pump - replaced by myself, cost £30. Did it from the front, didn't have to take out the washer. Would have been A lot of work if I had to get it out.
Bosch in Marseille wanted over €300 to fix it.
Regards

Barry & Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
AMEL 54.  # 17


On May 25, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Amelians,
The washing machine on my AMEL54 needs to be replaced. The Bosch model used on my boat, doesn't exist anymore and I couldn't find a new machine with the exact same dimensions. Are there brands / models out there that you recommend?
Fair winds,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NOSTRESS
currently @ Martinique


Washing machine replacement on AMEL54

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Dear Amelians,
The washing machine on my AMEL54 needs to be replaced. The Bosch model used on my boat, doesn't exist anymore and I couldn't find a new machine with the exact same dimensions. Are there brands / models out there that you recommend?
Fair winds,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NOSTRESS
currently @ Martinique


[Amel Yacht Owners] regarding the "mystery" part just posted on the photo album

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning flyboyscdswa

Regarding the picture of the mystery part just posted:

To me, it looks like the “Balancine” which hold the end of the boom

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pump out of black water

rossirossix4
 

We use a similar hose and even without the snap connector it has worked in places like Turkey (where pump outs are recorded electronically by Blue Cards).  On our stand pipe for the Santorin which was rigid PVC we added a 10 foot cord which allowed us to dunk and agitate the pipe in the sea after use--less mess to store!

Bob, Kaimi  SM 429


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC abd Low pressure pump numbers

Barry Connor
 

Hi Eric,

I am very satisfied with the Marsh pump. Can send you all the details next Monday when I am back on the boat.

Barry & Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
AMEL 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa.   Sicily


On May 24, 2017, at 10:02 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I saw that some people changed their AC water pump to a March magnetic drive pumps.

What model was used.

 

Does anyone know the specifications for the lift pump for the 160 LPH watermaker pump or a good substitute?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376’


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC abd Low pressure pump numbers [1 Attachment]

eric freedman
 

Thanks Ben !

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC abd Low pressure pump numbers [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Ben Driver included below]

Eric, 

I installed this pump last year for AC salt water.

 

 

 

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On May 24, 2017, at 6:29 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric,

 

I changed mine. This is the pump the folks at Costal Climate recommended. You can save yourself about $100 if you buy it on eBay.

 

https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/product-catalog/product/260-march-1500-gph-115-230v.html.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-TE-5-5C-MD-1-Phase-115-230V-TEFC-/361876817634?hash=item54418a06e2:g:rMkAAOxygPtSyFqm

 

 

It is an easy install and the foot print is similar to the Calpeda pump. March pumps have a great reputation. The thing I like about it on an Amel is the saltwater end is all plastic (nothing metal to bond to the Amel system). On the Calpeda pump, I am not sure it was entirely in tune with the whole Amel bonding/grounding design. I started to poke about on the Calpeda one day with a volt meter and picked up stay current on the pump. Soon after that it crapped out and I decided to add the March pump. It has been running for 2 years with no issues. I also purchased a frontend repair kit (includes seals and a replacement magnetic impeller)

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Pueto Rico

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC abd Low pressure pump numbers

 

 

I saw that some people changed their AC water pump to a March magnetic drive pumps.

What model was used.

 

Does anyone know the specifications for the lift pump for the 160 LPH watermaker pump or a good substitute?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376’


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC abd Low pressure pump numbers

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Eric, 
I installed this pump last year for AC salt water.




Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On May 24, 2017, at 6:29 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric,

 

I changed mine. This is the pump the folks at Costal Climate recommended. You can save yourself about $100 if you buy it on eBay.

 

https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/product-catalog/product/260-march-1500-gph-115-230v.html.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-TE-5-5C-MD-1-Phase-115-230V-TEFC-/361876817634?hash=item54418a06e2:g:rMkAAOxygPtSyFqm

 

 

It is an easy install and the foot print is similar to the Calpeda pump. March pumps have a great reputation. The thing I like about it on an Amel is the saltwater end is all plastic (nothing metal to bond to the Amel system). On the Calpeda pump, I am not sure it was entirely in tune with the whole Amel bonding/grounding design. I started to poke about on the Calpeda one day with a volt meter and picked up stay current on the pump. Soon after that it crapped out and I decided to add the March pump. It has been running for 2 years with no issues. I also purchased a frontend repair kit (includes seals and a replacement magnetic impeller)

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Pueto Rico

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC abd Low pressure pump numbers

 

 

I saw that some people changed their AC water pump to a March magnetic drive pumps.

What model was used.

 

Does anyone know the specifications for the lift pump for the 160 LPH watermaker pump or a good substitute?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376’


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

I agree, the same applies when furling. Allowing the boom to rise when furling will lead to a jam up.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 25 May 2017 at 10:57 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Another suggestion...


With in mast furlers it is common to have the upper part of the sail fail to unroll if the boom is allowed to rise too high when unfurling.

If you do not have a vang, try keeping just a little bit of tension on mizzen sheet to keep the boom down just a bit.  I'll bet that gets your sail all the way out.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Nanny Cay, BVI


 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Procedure to unfurl and fuel the mizzen on a SM

greatketch@...
 

Another suggestion...

With in mast furlers it is common to have the upper part of the sail fail to unroll if the boom is allowed to rise too high when unfurling.

If you do not have a vang, try keeping just a little bit of tension on mizzen sheet to keep the boom down just a bit.  I'll bet that gets your sail all the way out.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Nanny Cay, BVI