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Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Mark McGovern
 

As Doug said, it's not close to your desired location but there is a good company that does hull soda-blasting located at our marina Herrington Harbor North located in Deale, MD (~20 miles south of Annapolis) that has over 25 years experience soda blasting hulls and even some experience with Amels.  I had them take our hull down to the gelcoat last winter.  They did a very thorough yet careful job removing most of the remnants of ~15 years of various bottom paints.  Just be sure to "remind" them that you have a cast iron keel.  

Here is their contact information:

OSPREY MARINE COMPOSITES
301-261-9201 • 410-867-3022 • FX 301-261-5370
www.ospreycomposites.com • jj@...

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Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: A55: fresh water pump system : Beam IV on passage from Bonaire towards Santa Marta / Carthagena

Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...>
 

Hello Joerg & Bill,

Who ever thought you’d need a bicycle pump on a boat , but you do!

We bought this fancy cycle pump in Bonaire ( the old fashion type would be better ) pumped up the accumulator and we have water!!

THANK YOU 

The pump is still running continuously though any ideas on that one?

Very best regards & thanks ..

Stuart

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

From the US  :    561 371 2321


E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


On 25 Feb 2020, at 01:53, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

In my experience, there has to be nothing wrong to create this condition.   I’ve had this happen on my boat when I get back after many months away.  Or if the tank was run very low.   Pump up the tank and see whether it works.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain

Re: A55: fresh water pump system

Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...>
 

Hello Joerg,

Do we remove the cap to fit the bike pump, (assuming there’s a nipple inside)

Thank you ,

Stuart



Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

From the US  :    561 371 2321


E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


On 25 Feb 2020, at 01:53, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

In my experience, there has to be nothing wrong to create this condition.   I’ve had this happen on my boat when I get back after many months away.  Or if the tank was run very low.   Pump up the tank and see whether it works.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain

Re: Rub Rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, I had not read your previous post about carrying davits and checking them in as baggage. This is good news ,its been many yrs. since I tried to check thru a large object. So I will just roll the two rub rails into the airport, and balance the bumper on my head. Bobs your uncle!
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

You should see the size of boxes that land in NZ as baggage from China, and go out as baggage for departing Chinese. That's not picking on the Chinese, its just a statement of fact.
Regards
Danny
On 26 February 2020 at 09:32 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, That is just what I suggested to Diane this morning when I realized they are too big to fit a suitcase. Just roll them in,with a rope handle. Can you still check something thru the size of a tire? Its been years since we used to transport large stuff,I thought there may be new restrictions ,since they have cracked down on baggage in recent yrs. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Hi Gary and Pat,
You don't have to put your baggage in suitcases. Just wrap it well and if necessary for handling create a handle. Saves weight too. How many surf boards have you seen as baggage. I've seen quite a few
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 26 February 2020 at 07:35 "Gary Silver via Groups.Io" <garysilver@...> wrote:

Pat,  I'll rummage through my paperwork and see if I can find the way-bill for the scupper shipment and see if it has a weight (standby).  My guess is it would take two large suitcases for the scupper (one for each side) but the weight would be less without the pallet.  

Stand-by for news.
 

Re: Rub Rail insert

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

You should see the size of boxes that land in NZ as baggage from China, and go out as baggage for departing Chinese. That's not picking on the Chinese, its just a statement of fact.

Regards

Danny

On 26 February 2020 at 09:32 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, That is just what I suggested to Diane this morning when I realized they are too big to fit a suitcase. Just roll them in,with a rope handle. Can you still check something thru the size of a tire? Its been years since we used to transport large stuff,I thought there may be new restrictions ,since they have cracked down on baggage in recent yrs. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Hi Gary and Pat,
You don't have to put your baggage in suitcases. Just wrap it well and if necessary for handling create a handle. Saves weight too. How many surf boards have you seen as baggage. I've seen quite a few
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 26 February 2020 at 07:35 "Gary Silver via Groups.Io" <garysilver@...> wrote:

Pat,  I'll rummage through my paperwork and see if I can find the way-bill for the scupper shipment and see if it has a weight (standby).  My guess is it would take two large suitcases for the scupper (one for each side) but the weight would be less without the pallet.  

Stand-by for news.
 

Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Miles
 

Hi Mark,

 

I used a chemical paint remover and it worked well.  I don’t recall which product I used.  Practical Sailor  has done thorough comparison tests of the various products.  There are contractors around NEB (now Safe Harbor) who will do it.   This method will, of course, not hurt the outer gel coat and the Amel water barrier.  I remember being surprised at the amount and the weight of the paint that came off.  They had to apply the stuff several times to get all of the paint off.   

 

Regards,

 

Miles  s/y Ladybug, Le Marin. Martinique

Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Doug Smith
 

Soda blasting is available in the Chesapeake, if not urgent and if you are heading south in the near future. 
I had a previous boat soda blasted a few years ago in Deale Maryland. 

Thanks, Doug Smith

Amel 54-113, Aventura
Dugsmith98@...

On Feb 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:


I have owned my Super Maramu since she was launched in 2003.  Amel applied a hard bottom paint before launch in 2003 but since then I have only used ablative paint.  The layer is now thick and a bit uneven.  Having carefully examined the words of caution on the Amel owners group, particularly those of Joel Potter, I have looked in vain for a soda blaster to remove all the old bottom paint. I just cannot find one in Rhode Island.  The contractor recommended by my Rhode Island marina uses glass and is apparently very experienced with blasting boat bottoms. 

Last week I contacted the large Hinckley repair yard in Portsmouth, RI and it turns out that they do not have access to soda blasting either and use the same glass blasting contractor used by the full service marina where Sabbatical III is stored.  Hinckley recommends the glass blasting followed by 5 coats of epoxy (the 5 coats is their rule for European boats).  My yard has suggested 3 coats of epoxy as a water barrier.
I had been hoping for soda blasting plus a single coat of epoxy as a primer, on the assumption that the barrier coat under the gel coat would remain intact.  I did not expect that it would not be possible to find a soda blasting contractor in Rhode Island (or nearby Massachusetts) who works on boat hulls.
 
Any suggestions for me?  I feel stuck and am inclined to use glass blasting following by 3 or more coats of epoxy as a barrier coat.
 
Mark Pitt
“Sabbatical III”, SM#419, Wickford, Rhode Island, USA
 

Re: Rub Rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, That is just what I suggested to Diane this morning when I realized they are too big to fit a suitcase. Just roll them in,with a rope handle. Can you still check something thru the size of a tire? Its been years since we used to transport large stuff,I thought there may be new restrictions ,since they have cracked down on baggage in recent yrs. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Hi Gary and Pat,
You don't have to put your baggage in suitcases. Just wrap it well and if necessary for handling create a handle. Saves weight too. How many surf boards have you seen as baggage. I've seen quite a few
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 26 February 2020 at 07:35 "Gary Silver via Groups.Io" <garysilver@...> wrote:

Pat,  I'll rummage through my paperwork and see if I can find the way-bill for the scupper shipment and see if it has a weight (standby).  My guess is it would take two large suitcases for the scupper (one for each side) but the weight would be less without the pallet.  

Stand-by for news.

Re: Rub Rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

Charles, Based on pics Bill sent they appear too big to fit in a large suitcase. I may contact the airline and see if we rolled them into the ticket counter if we could check them thru. Years ago, I know we could check in skies ,even a hang glider about 12' long. But times have changed. Now my wife is all excited about a vacation to France,this might backfire on me and cost me twice as much.
So let me know what you come up with,because I would hate to send $1,700 just for shipping,if that is what it would be. Unfortunately Maud cannot provide a quote on shipping. A ship would no doubt be cheaper than Fed Ex Express, and I am in no hurry,by June would be fine.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Bell via Groups.Io <shipbldr2000@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Hello Patrick,

I am refitting and Annapolis MD and need new rub rails as well...

I could help defray the cost of your trip if you can handle another suitcase. Not joking... :)

At this rate, we should consider doing a group buy on an LTL container shipment to the US. I will look into it and report back to the group if I find something.


Charles
SV Jupiter
Mango #29

Re: Rub Rail insert

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Gary and Pat,

You don't have to put your baggage in suitcases. Just wrap it well and if necessary for handling create a handle. Saves weight too. How many surf boards have you seen as baggage. I've seen quite a few

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 26 February 2020 at 07:35 "Gary Silver via Groups.Io" <garysilver@...> wrote:

Pat,  I'll rummage through my paperwork and see if I can find the way-bill for the scupper shipment and see if it has a weight (standby).  My guess is it would take two large suitcases for the scupper (one for each side) but the weight would be less without the pallet.  

Stand-by for news.

Re: Rub Rail insert

Charles Bell
 

Hello Patrick,

I am refitting and Annapolis MD and need new rub rails as well...

I could help defray the cost of your trip if you can handle another suitcase. Not joking... :)

At this rate, we should consider doing a group buy on an LTL container shipment to the US. I will look into it and report back to the group if I find something.


Charles
SV Jupiter
Mango #29

Re: Flowjet refrigeration pumps overhaul

Porter McRoberts
 

On this issue.
Had a long conversation with Rob at Costal CLimate.  As usual, a very knowledgeable guy.
His thoughts.  Flojets are super reliable, AS long as they aren't drawing a lot of current, i.e. sucking hard against resistance, or pushing against resistance.

Often a change in pitch denotes strain, I’ve definitely been guilty of letting that go… and with in a short time, at least with my experience, the pump then fails, and off to either the junk yard, or later a take apart.  So now I’ll check amp meter if >1.2 amps check the flow and make sure the water paths are unobstructed. 

Also… they tell me the frigoboat pump controller is very unreliable, as we've noted on the forum.


and 2 24 v pumps as it would have to wired to the 24v bus.


Just some thoughts…

Porter

A54-152







On Feb 25, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Thanks Jamie. Yes I have been following this thread about alternatives and wait in anticipation! I have not heard about anyone successfully refurbishing the flowjet.
 
Cheers,
Paul
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jamie Wendell
Sent: 25 February 2020 09:48
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Flowjet refrigeration pumps overhaul
 
Paul, as you have probably read in another long thread about this very subject, you are not alone. Several of us are trying to come with a viable solution that we can all use to deal with these pumps.

Stay tuned if you can wait a bit. I have ordered some parts to construct a variable-speed drive brush-less motor as conceived by Oliver on Vela Nautica - waiting for the parts now. I have been in contact directly with him.

I will start a new thread if I am successful.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44 


-- 
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Aras
 

You can buy a soda blaster attachment cheaply enough & soda.  I got mine for under 300.
Aras 
1988 Sharki #163

Bottom paint removal problem

Mark Pitt
 

I have owned my Super Maramu since she was launched in 2003.  Amel applied a hard bottom paint before launch in 2003 but since then I have only used ablative paint.  The layer is now thick and a bit uneven.  Having carefully examined the words of caution on the Amel owners group, particularly those of Joel Potter, I have looked in vain for a soda blaster to remove all the old bottom paint. I just cannot find one in Rhode Island.  The contractor recommended by my Rhode Island marina uses glass and is apparently very experienced with blasting boat bottoms. 

Last week I contacted the large Hinckley repair yard in Portsmouth, RI and it turns out that they do not have access to soda blasting either and use the same glass blasting contractor used by the full service marina where Sabbatical III is stored.  Hinckley recommends the glass blasting followed by 5 coats of epoxy (the 5 coats is their rule for European boats).  My yard has suggested 3 coats of epoxy as a water barrier.
I had been hoping for soda blasting plus a single coat of epoxy as a primer, on the assumption that the barrier coat under the gel coat would remain intact.  I did not expect that it would not be possible to find a soda blasting contractor in Rhode Island (or nearby Massachusetts) who works on boat hulls.
 
Any suggestions for me?  I feel stuck and am inclined to use glass blasting following by 3 or more coats of epoxy as a barrier coat.
 
Mark Pitt
“Sabbatical III”, SM#419, Wickford, Rhode Island, USA
 

Re: Rub Rail insert

Gary Silver
 

Pat,  I'll rummage through my paperwork and see if I can find the way-bill for the scupper shipment and see if it has a weight (standby).  My guess is it would take two large suitcases for the scupper (one for each side) but the weight would be less without the pallet.  

Stand-by for news.

Re: Rub Rail insert

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pat,

I took my davits as baggage on a flight from NZ to Ft Lauderdale so I wouldn't think the bumper would be a problem. It doesn't need to be in a suitcase, I just wrapped the dismantled davits.

Regards

Danny

On 26 February 2020 at 02:32 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, I was only sort of joking when I wrote back to Gary,a couple of hours ago, but since then we are really considering a vacation to France . We could save enough on shipping to pay for airfare ,about $850. r/t each in May .See Paris ,Normandy and La Rochelle and the Amel plant. Might need a third suitcase,I need a new bumper also ,plus missc. parts.Its a crazy idea ,but given the cost of shipping ,makes sense. Just need to determine weight and if one could fit into a large suitcase.
Pat
SM 123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2020 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Pat, I am sure you will enjoy La Rochelle regardless of how much transport you save. Count that a bonus. And then you get to see the Amel facility. The waterfront is a huge line of waterfront restaurants. The market in the old town is amazing. We stayed air bnb and walked down for our cafe sidewalk breakfasts. Life like it should be lived.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 25 February 2020 at 12:17 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, Diane is already checking flights and fares. $1800 buys a lot of airfare, even with the extra baggage fees. I wish I knew what they approx. weigh , thinking about 50 lbs. per side , too bad Maud cannot provide any shipping info.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2020 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Fly over Pat, La Rochelle is a great city to visit, even aside from Amel. We stayed in an Air BnB in the old part of town. Just make sure the parts are in stock before you go.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 25 February 2020 at 09:50 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Gary, I was afraid of that,I had read a previous post of yours ,but thought (hoped) that the $2,600.00 included installation and additional shipping to Puerto Rico. Its amazing to me that shipping would be that expensive. It might be cheaper to fly over with a couple of empty suitcases ,I'm not sure, I'm kidding,always wanted to see La Rochelle . The inserts cost about $850. ,so shipping and duty was approx. $1,700.00.,nuts ! Would you have a guesstimate of what each piece weight was ?
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2020 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Hi Pat:

I had the two pieces of rub-rail insert (I call them scupper) shipped from Amel for my hurricane repairs in Puerto Rico in Dec 2017 from Amel.  Price was $2,686 with shipping.  They were about 5 feet too long for each side but better long than short. They came as Bill indicated, on a wooden pallet (sort of a miniature pallet) about 2 to 2.5 ft square wrapped in shrink wrap. They were heavy.    So indeed, the shipping is the greater part of the cost.  About $1,000.  It was covered in my insurance  settlement.  I had been considering replacing mine when Irma/Maria intervened and gave me a bonus in that small way, (didn't make up for the lost year of sailing while repairs were made. The new scupper looks so nice I would consider pressing ahead despite the cost.  When you install it you want to make sure that it is installed in compression because it does shrink a bit.  It is easier to install when in tension but to better fill and assure it doesn't leave a gap insist on putting it in compression.  I also left it a foot too long at the stern and at the 6 month mark I made a final trimming to avoid having a gap due to shrinkage.

All the best, 
Gary S. Silver, M.D.
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 Hull #335
Puerto Del Rey Marina, Puerto Rico
 
 

Re: Headsets #solution

karkauai
 

Thanks, Joerg, another viable option.
I see they are not waterproof.  I guess that isn't a problem?  More expensive than the two Sena headsets that are wAter resistant.
Kent

On Feb 25, 2020 9:44 AM, "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io" <jhe1313@...> wrote:
I have had the Eartec headsets for one season and they work great - no issues.  A friend of mine has had them for 3 years - again, no issues.  The only draw back is that you have to remove the batteries every time you put them away, but no big deal.  https://www.amazon.com/Eartec-UltraLITE-Wireless-Microphone-Headsets/dp/B01LOKU8KQ/ref=sr_1_16?crid=1BFQFWXIPGZR3&keywords=hands+free+communication+wireless+headset&qid=1552052951&s=gateway&sprefix=hands+free+communications+headsets%2Caps%2C221&sr=8-16#customerReviews

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain

Re: Flowjet refrigeration pumps overhaul

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Thanks Jamie. Yes I have been following this thread about alternatives and wait in anticipation! I have not heard about anyone successfully refurbishing the flowjet.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jamie Wendell
Sent: 25 February 2020 09:48
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Flowjet refrigeration pumps overhaul

 

Paul, as you have probably read in another long thread about this very subject, you are not alone. Several of us are trying to come with a viable solution that we can all use to deal with these pumps.

Stay tuned if you can wait a bit. I have ordered some parts to construct a variable-speed drive brush-less motor as conceived by Oliver on Vela Nautica - waiting for the parts now. I have been in contact directly with him.

I will start a new thread if I am successful.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Headsets #solution

Joerg Esdorn
 

I have had the Eartec headsets for one season and they work great - no issues.  A friend of mine has had them for 3 years - again, no issues.  The only draw back is that you have to remove the batteries every time you put them away, but no big deal.  https://www.amazon.com/Eartec-UltraLITE-Wireless-Microphone-Headsets/dp/B01LOKU8KQ/ref=sr_1_16?crid=1BFQFWXIPGZR3&keywords=hands+free+communication+wireless+headset&qid=1552052951&s=gateway&sprefix=hands+free+communications+headsets%2Caps%2C221&sr=8-16#customerReviews

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain

Re: Flowjet refrigeration pumps overhaul

Porter McRoberts
 

Lots of anticipation for this. Thanks Jamie. 
Porter 
A54-152 IBIS

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.com

On Feb 25, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:

Paul, as you have probably read in another long thread about this very subject, you are not alone. Several of us are trying to come with a viable solution that we can all use to deal with these pumps.

Stay tuned if you can wait a bit. I have ordered some parts to construct a variable-speed drive brush-less motor as conceived by Oliver on Vela Nautica - waiting for the parts now. I have been in contact directly with him.

I will start a new thread if I am successful.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44