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Re: TV Lift Amel 54 - replacing wireless by manual switch

David Crisp
 

I have searched every millimetre of the saloon and searched again and there is no manual switch for the TV lift system anywhere.  The manual switch must be something added in later builds to mine.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: TV Lift Amel 54 - replacing wireless by manual switch

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

We have one in the cupboard immediately aft of the TV.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Crisp
Sent: 22 July 2020 08:30
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] TV Lift Amel 54 - replacing wireless by manual switch

 

Courtney,
I have checked everywhere and there are no manual buttons anywhere for the lift.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Ken,
While you say, "Thank you Bill (Rouse) for a fact I didn't know, and I don't think that most Amel owners were aware of: That Amel suggests owners to run the genset every time the bow thruster is used.", Amel absolutely did not suggest that to SN owners regarding their bow thrusters. Frankly, I kinda wonder about it for other models, too. If I'm using the BT for a long time (like fighting a cross wind)  I may rev up the engine in neutral but not for just nudging into a slip with short bursts. I would posit that the boats are designed to be able to use the BT for normal docking without having to run the genset.
Cheers, Craig


Re: TV Lift Amel 54 - replacing wireless by manual switch

David Crisp
 

Courtney,
I have checked everywhere and there are no manual buttons anywhere for the lift.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: Masse negative leak

ngtnewington Newington
 

Thanks Bill,

Alas it is not the Macerators. I hate working in the space for the main battery on/off as it is so easy to short out the positive to negative with a ratchet handle... maybe I can cover the positive with plastic sheet or something...
Nick 
Stern to in Finikas Syros waiting for the Meltemi to ease just a tad...
Amelia AML54-019


On 22 Jul 2020, at 00:43, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Ofer & Nick,

Remember, the minus Masse Light means there is a connection between 24-volts negative to the Amel bonding system. The most common issue is a Jabsco Macerator pump that has developed a leak at the seal, causing a connection to the Amel Bonding. Start by disconnecting the green/yellow wire from each macerator pump. If the light no longer comes ON, you have found it. Replace that macerator pump and reconnect the green/yellow wires.

If it was not the macerator pump and the light is ON for the (-) side, it is more difficult because the individual 24-volt breakers only turn OFF the positive side (+). For a negative side (-) Masse fault, you will need to disconnect the negative wires from the negative main battery switch. On most Amels, this is the lower switch. When the light goes out, you have narrowed your search to one main circuit.

If the (+) side is ON, try turning OFF each breaker throughout the boat one at a time. Don't forget breakers for the windlass, winches, and breakers in the engine room. Do this with all breakers.

I hope this helps you.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:32 PM ofer magen <ofermagen@...> wrote:
Hi Nick,
We had the same problem.
It took long time to solve , because the light was not always ON.

The way to find where  a bad contact between the minus and the grounding system is, is to start from the main switches near the batteries, disconnect each of the cables while checking the light. Ones you find a cable that if  disconnected the is OFF, look for the equipment down the cable and check the contacts and put corrosion x.
We found the problem in the forward locker . We had a leak of water from the new Bad! installed windlass rubber deck switches that created humidity on all electrical motors in the locker.

Good luck with the challenge.
You can call me if you want more info.



Ofer Magen
A 54 160 2010
Cyprus.
+972528795540


Re: A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Arno, and Bill,

The fact is that large current draws on your batteries will kill them faster.  Yes, a battery can supply a lot of current, but if you use this capability you shorten their life over time.   During large current draws Arno suggests that all the batteries are equally suppling their %, but I might suggest that not all the batteries are created equal, some pairs may be supplying 110Amps and others much less.  Just like pallbearers, not all hands are supplying the same force.  

Thank you Bill for a fact I didn't know, and I don't think that most Amel owners were aware of:  That Amel suggests owners to run the genset every time the bow thruster is used.   Running the Genset does makes sense given the amount of current required for the bow thruster, and it also implies that Amel is, and was aware, that the bow thruster draw could be too high for the batteries alone.  

But, these responses do not Answer the original QUESTION;  Why are two 500Amp shunts on the A55?
And it does not Answer my question which I think will shed some light on the original question:  How many Amps the A55 Bow thruster draws?

The original question, about the A55 battery electronics going into shut down, then coming back online after a few seconds.  This is actually how I would think the electronics on a good Amel with bad batteries should work.  If you bring the voltage on your 24V batteries below 24V the Amel should go into shut down to protect the batteries ( The owner probably even has the capability to set the shut down voltage).  Then a few seconds, after the voltage increases above 24V (or what ever voltage was set for shutdown), the electronics should turn the 24V house power back on.  

Personally I would also like to know the current draw others are seeing on their Amel's.  We draw about 400Amps when we light up the bow "thirsty" thruster. 


PS:  Arno, I had 4 pairs of batteries in my SM battery compartment, the A54 or the A55 might have a bigger compartment which fits 6 pairs.  I tried to fit 5 pairs, but they didn't fit (I had Vicron 110AH AGM's 8 pieces in my battery bank).  So, on Aquarius I was looking at 400 Amps / 4 pairs = 100Amps per pair if everything being equal (which never is).   I believe that's about the MAX for my old batteries.

Ken
Aquarius
SM2K #262
Tomorrow will be hauled out in Krabi Thailand




Re: Rub rail purchase

Craig Briggs
 

Here's what Joel said in his post: 
"There were a couple of different rub rails for the Mango and just one, all but certain, on the Sharks and Maramu. They share nothing in common with the Santorin and Super Maramu insert.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 "
 


Re: Rub rail purchase

Patrick McAneny
 

Craig, I agree they seem to produce a large variety of marine products.They have been very proactive in dealing with me. I need a new bumper ,I may ask about that,but I assume they do mostly extrusions. Could someone confirm that the Maramu is the same or not in regarding the rub rail.
Thanks,
Pat
Shenanigans #123


Re: Rub rail purchase

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, My hull number is #123,


Re: Rub rail purchase

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Pat (& Kent and others interested),
In a previous post I recall Joel Potter confirmed that the SN and the SM had the same rub rail (SN shorter, of course). I just reread his post and he says the Maramu is different.
I see that the company you got, Techno Rubber Industries in Miami, manufactures inflatable boat rub rails for some of the big brands, or perhaps, just supplies replacements for them (they are showing the logos of Avon, Zodiac, etc. on their web page). Sounds like a great choice.
Craig


Re: Rub rail purchase

eric freedman
 

Hi Patrick,
Is this for a SM? If so what is your hull number?
Fair Winds
Eric
Sm376 Kimberlite

On July 21, 2020 at 6:27 PM "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Kent, I checked with Bill yesterday since so much time had passed and I needed to know if I was gettting a new rub rail. He told me he had no luck with the company he was dealing with initially .Another owner had purchased from this company,so I contacted them and they do exactly this type product and seem eager to have our business. Sent them a cross section today,expect to have a sample very soon and confirm pricing based on the number of feet purchased. They said lead time was about two weeks. I will put you on the list. 

I need to confirm if 52 ft. per side is correct for a SM and if a Maramu and SN has the same rub rail design.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


 


Re: Rub rail purchase

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent, I checked with Bill yesterday since so much time had passed and I needed to know if I was gettting a new rub rail. He told me he had no luck with the company he was dealing with initially .Another owner had purchased from this company,so I contacted them and they do exactly this type product and seem eager to have our business. Sent them a cross section today,expect to have a sample very soon and confirm pricing based on the number of feet purchased. They said lead time was about two weeks. I will put you on the list. 

I need to confirm if 52 ft. per side is correct for a SM and if a Maramu and SN has the same rub rail design.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Rub rail purchase

karkauai
 

Hi Pat,
I never heard from Bill&Karen that they gave up.  If that's true, count me in.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Jul 21, 2020 2:04 PM, "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:
Craig, They did ,but they were never able to get the company to place the order and Karen and Bill gave up on it. I stayed in contact with Bill as I was anxious to place an order, because I am repainting my boat and need to know if I can take off the old rubrail. I have waited so long that they are now sanding the boat and things are not finalized. But I have faith that is order will go thru quickly.  I will include you on the list to order. Email me direct with your info.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Masse negative leak

 

Ofer & Nick,

Remember, the minus Masse Light means there is a connection between 24-volts negative to the Amel bonding system. The most common issue is a Jabsco Macerator pump that has developed a leak at the seal, causing a connection to the Amel Bonding. Start by disconnecting the green/yellow wire from each macerator pump. If the light no longer comes ON, you have found it. Replace that macerator pump and reconnect the green/yellow wires.

If it was not the macerator pump and the light is ON for the (-) side, it is more difficult because the individual 24-volt breakers only turn OFF the positive side (+). For a negative side (-) Masse fault, you will need to disconnect the negative wires from the negative main battery switch. On most Amels, this is the lower switch. When the light goes out, you have narrowed your search to one main circuit.

If the (+) side is ON, try turning OFF each breaker throughout the boat one at a time. Don't forget breakers for the windlass, winches, and breakers in the engine room. Do this with all breakers.

I hope this helps you.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:32 PM ofer magen <ofermagen@...> wrote:
Hi Nick,
We had the same problem.
It took long time to solve , because the light was not always ON.

The way to find where  a bad contact between the minus and the grounding system is, is to start from the main switches near the batteries, disconnect each of the cables while checking the light. Ones you find a cable that if  disconnected the is OFF, look for the equipment down the cable and check the contacts and put corrosion x.
We found the problem in the forward locker . We had a leak of water from the new Bad! installed windlass rubber deck switches that created humidity on all electrical motors in the locker.

Good luck with the challenge.
You can call me if you want more info.



Ofer Magen
A 54 160 2010
Cyprus.
+972528795540


Re: Any data on B&G displays

 

Stefan,

I had it all this time but had forgotten about the fuse & the battery on the mainboard in the Hydra 2000. I suspect something similar in the H3000.

Does this look like what you saw?

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 3:40 PM CW Bill Rouse via groups.io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Stefan,

Perfect. If you ever are able to take a photo, I really need one for my book. 

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:19 AM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Bill, 
It’s the Hydra 2000 from 2002. 
I have also missed the fuse in my technical data.

Stefan 


On 21. Jul 2020, at 09:34, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stefan,

Can you tell me what model B&G Hydra you have i.e. Hercules, Hydra, Hydra 2000, etc? Or what year? The reason I ask is the technical information I have on the Hydra 2000 does not show a fuse. 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:42 AM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Sorry Bill,
everything is already reassembled but I think about to take photos next time.
I opened  the processor box, wich is right behind the B&G Hydra 2000 MFD, with the 4 screws and there you can see the little 1 amp glass fuse easily. This fuse protects all 4 display devices and the masthead unit as well.

Stefan 


Mobil: +49 172 7757444




On 20. Jul 2020, at 18:17, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stephan,

Can you take a photo of the fuse location?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:01 PM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Hi Elja!

Today we checked the processor Blackbox. There we found a 50 cent blowing out fuse.
That’s it. 
The system is working probably and we placed a spare fuse for the next failure with tape outside on the processor box.
If you got some of these problems with your new old system again, just check the fuse. After 18 years they are allowed to blow away sometimes.

Good luck 

Stefan 

SM OYA, 
373, lonesome in the Tobago Cays 

Mobil: +49 172 7757444

On 18. Jul 2020, at 09:40, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

He Stefan last week i have the same problem , i maild and fone some houers  with B&g  on the end is the processor takes the data in give it to the digital unit but not to the analog units . The think like bill the processor is after 22 jaers on the end .
I make a post in the facebook groop , i am lucky and one menber sell me his old one compleat sythem
Try it also

Best Elja
SM Balu 222


Von meinem iPhone gesendet




Re: Any data on B&G displays

 

Stefan,

Perfect. If you ever are able to take a photo, I really need one for my book. 

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:19 AM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Bill, 
It’s the Hydra 2000 from 2002. 
I have also missed the fuse in my technical data.

Stefan 


On 21. Jul 2020, at 09:34, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stefan,

Can you tell me what model B&G Hydra you have i.e. Hercules, Hydra, Hydra 2000, etc? Or what year? The reason I ask is the technical information I have on the Hydra 2000 does not show a fuse. 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:42 AM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Sorry Bill,
everything is already reassembled but I think about to take photos next time.
I opened  the processor box, wich is right behind the B&G Hydra 2000 MFD, with the 4 screws and there you can see the little 1 amp glass fuse easily. This fuse protects all 4 display devices and the masthead unit as well.

Stefan 


Mobil: +49 172 7757444




On 20. Jul 2020, at 18:17, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stephan,

Can you take a photo of the fuse location?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:01 PM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Hi Elja!

Today we checked the processor Blackbox. There we found a 50 cent blowing out fuse.
That’s it. 
The system is working probably and we placed a spare fuse for the next failure with tape outside on the processor box.
If you got some of these problems with your new old system again, just check the fuse. After 18 years they are allowed to blow away sometimes.

Good luck 

Stefan 

SM OYA, 
373, lonesome in the Tobago Cays 

Mobil: +49 172 7757444

On 18. Jul 2020, at 09:40, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

He Stefan last week i have the same problem , i maild and fone some houers  with B&g  on the end is the processor takes the data in give it to the digital unit but not to the analog units . The think like bill the processor is after 22 jaers on the end .
I make a post in the facebook groop , i am lucky and one menber sell me his old one compleat sythem
Try it also

Best Elja
SM Balu 222


Von meinem iPhone gesendet




Re: Rub rail purchase

Patrick McAneny
 

Craig, They did ,but they were never able to get the company to place the order and Karen and Bill gave up on it. I stayed in contact with Bill as I was anxious to place an order, because I am repainting my boat and need to know if I can take off the old rubrail. I have waited so long that they are now sanding the boat and things are not finalized. But I have faith that is order will go thru quickly.  I will include you on the list to order. Email me direct with your info.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Rub rail purchase

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Hi Pat,
I see Karen was estimating < $900.  We'll not need as much length as you (SN vs SM) - I'll measure it. I see Techno is in Miami, so I can just pick it up and won't need shipping.
Thanks,
Craig


Re: Masse negative leak

ofer magen
 

Hi Nick,
We had the same problem.
It took long time to solve , because the light was not always ON.

The way to find where  a bad contact between the minus and the grounding system is, is to start from the main switches near the batteries, disconnect each of the cables while checking the light. Ones you find a cable that if  disconnected the is OFF, look for the equipment down the cable and check the contacts and put corrosion x.
We found the problem in the forward locker . We had a leak of water from the new Bad! installed windlass rubber deck switches that created humidity on all electrical motors in the locker.

Good luck with the challenge.
You can call me if you want more info.



Ofer Magen
A 54 160 2010
Cyprus.
+972528795540


Rub rail purchase

Patrick McAneny
 

I have sent a cross section of my rubrail ,from my Super Maramu to Techno Rubber Industries in Fla. ,they will produce a die and sample for my inspection . I intend to place an order as soon as I receive the sample and final pricing. The die will cost me $450.00 ,the rub rail will run somewhere around $11 per ft. ,roughly $1200. The more boats ordering would bring the price down and I would like to share the cost of the die. The rub rail would be slightly off white. Another owner of a Mango has already purchased from this company and was happy with the service and product. Shipping to Maryland where I live is roughly estimated to be about $200.
So if anyone would like to join me in a group buy ,please email me at , sailw32@... . I will give the final number of orders to the company as soon as I get the sample from them. They will then give me a final price based on the number of orders ,the more the less. I will probably place the order within the next ten days,so please get back to me ASAP.
Thanks,
Pat McAneny
SM Shenanigans #123